Players BACK Martinez Outburst! Wilcox MUST Go!

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1:55Hello, everybody. Welcome to the United Stands. I'm Mark Goldbridge and the fallout from the Lissandro Martinez outburst continues. He actually did another interview with Peter Schmeichel, which we'll delve into. But look, we've got to be very careful this morning because the client journalists are out. The PR spinners are out. The sellouts are out. The spinners are out. They're out coming for Martinez and you've got to pick a side. You've got to pick a side here. Lots for us to get involved with. So many people have spoken about this. There's new stuff coming out. How do we move forward here as a football club?

2:29But there's five quick observations I want to throw straight into the show here that I've sort of had a thought about. I mean, there's a lot more to get into and there's all your comments as well, but there's just five things I just want to get into very, very quickly. If Lissandro Martinez was British, the reaction to this would be very different from the journalists and the ex-players. I definitely have said this for years and years. If you're a foreign player and you speak out or you're underperform, you get treated differently. I think if this was Harry Maguire or another British player, there'd be a lot more people jumping to his defense in the media.

3:04I also think that you've got to remember that somebody leaked the team yesterday lunchtime, 12 hours before the game, completely new tactics, exposed everything we were going to do. It wasn't Lissandro Martinez. Are we not going to talk about that? Somebody leaked the team and it wasn't Lissandro Martinez. I have a very good idea who it is, by the way, because they've done it before, but I have no evidence. I'm not going to say that. the third thing I want to say is is that Michael Carrick is in a big difficult position and we'll talk about that but Lissandro Martinez factually is not the only player that's pissed off he may be the only one with the balls to say anything but he's not the only one who's pissed off so anybody out there saying Martinez has let the dressing room down is talking horse shit because the dressing room is split and half of it's behind him so he's not speaking as a lone warrior and also on that point my message to the Man United dressing room is this.

3:58If you tolerate this and you put up with this, you're a glazer. If you stay silent on this, you're a glazer. Somebody in your dressing room has stood up and said what every fan is thinking and is being applauded for it. If you stay silent, you're a glazer. Because I tell you what, people get behind movements about targeting sponsors and doing protests. Nothing in the last five years has been more significant than what Lissandro Martinez said last night in relation to a real change at this football club. Whether it's sporting director, CEO or owners, a current player has stood up and said the club has no ambition and it's being run by people who are incompetent.

4:38So bad people prosper when good people do nothing. Silence is not an excuse. If you're a Man United player in that dressing room and you stay silent, then you're complicit in the degradation and destruction of this football club. Absolutely. So I'm not saying if they come out against Martinez, they're an enemy of the club. If they stay silent, they're also a glazer. Like he has stood up on his own and said something. People should be backing him now. So it's over to you, the players. And as for Carrick, if you come out and back the club, well, you're in a very difficult position there. You're in a very, very difficult position there.

5:22And you know what? People say, and I think I heard a certain ex-player say it last night. I think it wasn't a Man United player. And they were basically saying something like, the club is a family and you don't speak out about your family. And I was laughing my head off. I almost wanted to go live again. It was about midnight. And you don't speak out about your family, right? So on a very serious note, right? if you're a kid at school, right, and you go to school and you can't afford school dinners and you're turning up with a lunchbox with a slice of bread in it, right, and your teacher says, what's going on?

6:02And you go, they're just not giving me any food. That's why my clothes are like this, that and the other. But your dad's driving around in a Ferrari and your mum's driving around in a Rolls Royce. I know. It's abuse. It's fucking abuse. I mean, what are we talking about? families and not speaking out for. So I go back to my statement again, evil prospers, why good people sit back and do nothing. We're now telling people not to tell what's going on. I think what Lissandro Martinez did was fantastic. The football club has been abused for 20 years. And we're fans watching that abuse, but we're not living it.

6:43You know, on a very serious note, right? Sometimes, you know, a friend is in something they shouldn't be in, but you can't get them out. They've got to get themselves out themselves. We as fans are not involved internally. Lissandro Martinez is, and he stepped forward and said something. You can't then have a pop at him and say he should keep it in house. We can all see the damage that's being done to Manchester United. I applaud anybody that steps forward. And as for the conversation about, and this is the best one. This is the best one, right? People are having a pot of... I've seen people, journalists and others say Martinez should look at his own house before he starts having a go at the club.

7:25For example, his mistake against Spurs. I don't care if Joshua Xerxes came out after the game last night and said it. I'd still build a statue. This is a far bigger message than individual mistakes in games of football. Oh, he cost us three points against Spurs. Oh, well, you know what? He's as bad as Wilcox. He's as bad as the Glazers. I mean, this is the thinnest of thin ice trying to... But the hilarious thing is people are genuinely trying to say, well, look at the mistake against Spurs. Who's he to talk? Oh, yeah. 20 years of plummeting the club into massive debt. Three managers sacks. Rubbish summer transfer window.

8:06But you made a mistake against Spurs. Oh, yeah. Yeah, absolutely. It's the exact... But this is what you've got to be very careful of this morning. The club is in the midst of an Amazon documentary as well, which I think is hilarious. But the club is in a massive problem now. They don't care about me. They don't care about you. They don't care about churning out another crap top to get you to spend 100 quid on it. The November kits. I mean, I'm surprised we don't have a kit for every month now. The PR is going to be in full motion. How you react, this is going to be very, very interesting. there seems to be in the ex-player community and I have to respect this because so many of them have done it there seems to be this feeling as an ex-player of which I'm not that if you speak out like that you're disrespecting your dressing room and you have to respect that because a lot of ex-players have said it however however right I'm just going to say this in the summer we have And I've been accused of being a sellout, right?

9:08Because of the deal we did. And yet I have total creative control. I'm sat here saying exactly what I want. So how can I be a sellout when I have total creative control? A sellout to me is somebody who signs something and sells their morals and sells their creative control. Certain ex-players in the summer were floating around Manchester United because of a deal they've done where they can get interviews with people from the club. they've been rimming the club for the first two months of the season and the manager because they're just on the PR train. And in the summer, they were out on tour saying things like Rashford's purring like a Ferrari and Man United are absolutely incredible.

9:54That's selling out. That's literally backing this shit ownership for PR points. And it needs to stop. So if those same people start coming out against Martinez today, just beware of why it's happening. Because too many people are complicit in the destruction of Manchester United for their own financial gain. And it needs calling out. It needs calling out. Lissandro Martinez, and there are just a few quick points there. Lissandro Martinez has probably done more for the Man United fans than anybody's done in the last 10 years. Now, has he done it for his own self-preservation? Of course he bloody has.

10:39I don't even care. Of course he has. He's in the last year of his contract. Of course he's probably thinking about his long term. He's basically just fired himself, by the way. Who hands out the new contract? Jason Wilcox. He's basically just said Jason Wilcox is shit. So, of course, Lissandro Martinez has done it for his own personal development or gain. He's going to get sold now and he'll probably go somewhere else. But why does he want to get sold? Because the club's shit. I mean, I don't get that argument. This is all about, I saw a tweet from somebody. I can't remember who it was. Probably best not to call them out.

11:16But they were basically, I think I've just realized who it is now. They might turn up in the chat. They were basically saying, how can't you see through this? This is Martinez just using the club. This is Martinez just, you know, using, you know, he's as bad as anybody else. He's just fired himself on national TV. He can't get a new contract because Jason Wilcox is the sporting director. The guy has literally just fired himself. You've got to ask why. Why? Twice World Cup finalists, why has he sacked himself from Man United? Because the club is being run badly. It's exactly what we deserve. And I find this incredible.

12:00we haven't had proper Man United players for 15 years and people are going, oh, well, he's betrayed the club. He's betrayed the dressing room. What about the fan base? We've been betrayed for 20 years. Maybe he wants out of a sinking ship. So what? Maybe he wants out of a sinking ship. What's the problem with that? I've got no problem with it. I mean, what I'm waiting for is other players to come out and do this. But I tell you what, there'll be a big meeting and it'll all be, we need to throw Martinez under the bus. You know, we need to throw, we might agree with him, but we need to throw Martinez under the bus.

12:34There needs to be a sacrificial lamb here and it needs to be Martinez. And it'll be Carrick, Wilcox, Barada, Bruno, the leadership team. And it'll be, we need to throw Martinez under the bus. You know, whether you agree with him or not, this is no good for what we're trying to build. And I tell you what, I don't want to build this. I saw Carrick last night saying there's no money. I've seen Rob Dawson this morning saying there's no money. I didn't vote for this. I'm sorry, that's not an excuse. I've seen people coming out saying Martinez can moan about the summer transfer window, but they haven't got any money.

13:11Oh my God. This is why people who don't support Manchester United should keep their nose out. If I talk about Liverpool or I talk about Chelsea, I always say this is my opinion, but I don't support the club. And if you support a club, you live and breathe it every single day and you'll know the intricacies. When people project from outside and go, well, Martinez is wrong because they haven't got any money. What does he want them to do? Why haven't we got any money? Why haven't we got any money? You're literally saying Martinez shouldn't moan about signings because Manchester United haven't got any money.

13:45You haven't won the argument. That's not an argument. You're basically saying Martinez having a go at the owners is wrong because they haven't got any money. Why haven't we got any money? It's because of the owners. We haven't got any money is not an excuse. If anything, it adds petrol to the flames of what Martinez is saying. We don't have any money because we have an ownership that we don't want. That put us in a position where we don't have any money. That's not an excuse. And this is like match of the day when the fans at Old Trafford got the Liverpool game called off and Genis and Shearer sat there going, I don't know what they're protesting about.

14:23The Glazers have spent loads of money. And this was on national TV. And you're going, they've never spent a pound of their own money. And you're projecting horseshit to the nation. We don't have any money. Well, I think we do. But even if we don't, it's because of the owners. Martinez is absolutely correct. And people need to realise it doesn't matter about the mistake that Martinez made against Spurs. It doesn't matter whether he's playing well or not. The message is bigger than that. The message is current serving Manchester United player expected more in the summer transfer window. Maybe expected more, maybe expected to be dropped.

14:58Maybe he thought he was going to get replaced. He's not wrong. And I'm telling you now, certain players in that dressing room need to make it known publicly that they back him or they don't.

15:12100%. Because if you stay quiet, what are you? You're complicit. it. I don't know what comes next. I think that Martinez will be isolated and forced out. And maybe that's what he wants. Maybe he wants to go and play at Atletico Madrid. Maybe he's had a chat with his agents and said, look, this ain't going to end well. You need to look after yourself. But I haven't got a problem with that. I haven't got a problem with that. I mean, I sort of struggle to understand the main things being put forward. He made a mistake against Spurs. So what? That's not the message. He might be looking to get out of the club.

15:53Who can blame him? He's broken the trust of the ownership. Good. He's broken the trust of the dressing room. At least he's got a fucking pair of balls, unlike that dressing room. I mean, I just can't see any angle on what he's done wrong. I mean, look, there's two different worlds here. There's a fan base, and then there's people who've played the game in the media, and they've got a very different look at it. But from a fan's point of view, I can't see what he's done wrong. In the international break, we had this big movement for Glazer out. Let's target the sponsors. It's dead. And it was always going to die.

16:26It was never going to work. It was erratic. It was coming from the right place, but it was unstructured and it was never going to work. Lissandra and Martinez, after a game that Man United lose in the Champions League to the nations, to the world, saying that the director of football is incompetent and the club's a mess and has no ambition. I mean, that's bigger than any targeting of sponsors on Twitter. Like that, this is big. This is really big. The sad thing is it will probably get swept under the carpet and, you know, we'll get all sorts of stuff coming out now. I mean, I've already seen a journalist talking about him falling out with Ajax.

17:03This is, these people are complicit Glazerites. If you're digging out ways to attack Martinez's personality, you're a fucking Glazer. I've seen people saying things like, he always puts Argentina before Man United. I mean, I don't like that. But what's Man United? A cash cow to the Glazers. Man United's not a team trying to win the treble under Sir Alex Ferguson. Man United's a shit show run by corporate mercenaries. Of course, he'd go and play for Argentina. They've been to two World Cup finals. So this pile-on of Lissandro Martinez is going to be very interesting. And it's going to come from the same people.

17:44You know, the Schill League is back in action. It's going to come from the same people, the same people who survive on rimming this football club. The same journalists, the client journalists who cannot survive without this football club. Oh, I won't get an interview. I won't get into the press conference. They won't tell me something. It's about time people realise that Manchester United is a shadow of its former self. It is absolutely in ruins.

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19:34Protecting those people in charge of that is facilitating the ruin. and I've said myself, look, you know what? Maybe, maybe there is an argument here to say that Jason Wilcox is getting a lot of shit. I mean, I said it on Stick to United with Wayne and Bardsley, didn't I? I said, it's mad how 12 hours later this comes out, by the way. If you haven't watched Stick to United yet, about halfway through the video, we talk about one thing we would change now to make things better, and I said I'd sack Wilcox. It takes a bit of pressure off Carrick because you blame Wilcox for the crap summer transfer window and it gives Carrick a bit of breathing space and you bring somebody competent in which will help Carrick.

20:1412 hours later, Lissandro Martinez is saying it to the world. So it's obviously not a hot take. It's an obvious take. But they won't do it. They won't do it. But what I will say is Jason Wilcox is not responsible for Man United's failings. If we sack Jason Wilcox and we get somebody better in, we will get slightly better but ultimately if there's no money coming down Jason Wilcox doesn't set the budget does he? What we know is is that Sir Jim Radcliffe and the Glazers own the football club I've just spat my coffee out it's a shame it's a nice top they run the football club and they're ultimately responsible but there's no communication Michael Carey could be fronting up to this on Friday there'll be no communication from anybody I mean when was the last time Jason Wilcox did an interview as a sporting director I've always said this.

21:08If I was sporting director at Man United, you'd hear from me every week. In fact, I'd do an interview every week because communication is so important. I'm big on communication. So look, I think you've got to front up, good or bad. You've got to communicate with the people that matter the most, your community, your fan base. When was the last time he spoke to anybody? Never. Karik has to do it. Amrim has to do it. Ten Hag has to do it. When was the last time Barada, well, we know the last time Barada spoke. He said, we're winning the league this year or next year. I mean, this is probably why they don't talk, because they're not very good at their job.

21:41But fundamentally, that football club is an absolute joke. And you know what? I sit here and I applaud. I applaud any... I don't like Player FC, right? But this is the one time where Player FC actually would be applauded by the fan base. Mutiny. They call it mutiny. It's when people stand forward and go, this is a fucking joke. Now, Martinez will be in breach of contract. I guarantee you he's in breach of contract. But so fucking what? What are they going to do? The club's an absolute joke. And everybody's... I mean, Michael Carrick the other day did an interview talking about the summer transfer window saying he was quite happy with it.

22:24Michael Carrick has stood in the crowd at Anfield with Man United fans. they've sung his song while he stood with Man United fans I'm sorry Michael you're a legend of the club you've been on the terrace with the fans you're clearly a fan you clearly love the football club but I'm telling you now you are complicit standing with these people is damaging you it is, it's the truth doesn't make him not a legend doesn't make him not a fan doesn't make him not a nice lad but he is a stooge of the Glazers it's not you can't play both sides ollie tried it you can't do it they are so bad for this football club you can't operate between the two they are so disliked by the fan base you can't you're either one or the other you can't play the two amrim tried it they got rid of him ranik tried it they got rid of him marino tried it they got rid of him ollie didn't they got rid of him anyway.

23:23Like you're complicit. If you're sitting there and staying quiet now, you're complicit. And it's the same for the dressing room. They're less of a thing because they're not really fans, are they? They're just mercenaries. They're on a bloody wage. They're not going to say anything. Some people will see this as an opportunity to get a new contract. I never said anything. I've never said anything bad about the Glazers. Can I have a new contract? and we all know who they are. But it's going to be very interesting. But my bet is that we won't get what... I mean, look, for me, Wilcox, one of them's got to go.

23:57It's untenable. If Martinez stays and gets a new contract, it makes Wilcox look weak. And if Martinez goes, we're stuck with Wilcox. I mean, one of the two has got to go. And, you know, we can run a poll on this. but you know ultimately we're all we're all grown-ups here we're all intelligent people i hope um one of them has to go and i think we all know who it's going to be it won't be the sporting director director of football who's never done the job before competently and doesn't know what he's doing and has sacked three managers and spent over half a billion and we're still in a fucking mess it won't be him it'll be the centre-back who is one of our better players, who's played in two World Cup finals, is respected in the dressing room, and will fuck him off.

24:47And also, can we just say this? What's the obsession with our ownership and employing incompetent people from Manchester City as well? What is our obsession with getting people in from Man City? Because Wilcox is another one. Why are we so obsessed with getting people in from Man City? I mean, it's almost like someone at United went, Man City have been very, very successful over the last 15 years. Let's try and get people from there. They were very successful because they broke the fucking rules. Your whole plan is rubbish. It's absolutely rubbish. So yeah, I want to get into some of your comments, but there is quite a few other things coming in this morning I need to delve into as well.

25:28Sorry, let me just get the live chat here. what did Carrick say about it? Well, not a lot. And to be fair, Martinez came out and spoke about it again afterwards. I mean, I've got a few things here to just delve into as well. I mean, look, Rob Dawson's been on the channel before. Jamie Carragher has reposted this. So this is perfect, right? So Jamie Carragher has reposted Rob Dawson's tweet. So we basically get to go at an ex-player and a serving journalist, right? I'm going to absolutely just put everybody into the same category here. So Rob Dawson's a good journalist. Jamie Carragher's a good ex-player pundit.

26:11Jamie Carragher's retweeted this, so he obviously agrees with it. And Rob Dawson said, no one is saying the Man United squad doesn't need to be improved. It does. But the money isn't there to do it quickly over a couple of windows. That's on the Glazers, not Wilcox, Barada or Carrick. If Martinez wants to win more games, then maybe don't get stamped on by Solonki. Absolute shit. I'm sorry, Rob. I'm more than happy to do a video with you. I'll drive up to Manchester and do it. That is absolute shit. I'm sorry. I'm sorry. That is absolute rubbish. I literally started this video with five false accusations and you've hit about three of them.

26:50A player making a mistake in a game of football like Martinez did at the weekend has got nothing to do with what the Glazers have done to Manchester United. It is, I mean, for a journalist, that's absolutely abysmal. That's rubbish. That is like, right, somebody robbing a bank and somebody seeing them rob a bank and then somebody else saying, yeah, but you took a day off work yesterday when you said you had a cold and you didn't. He's just robbed a fucking bank and I'm telling you he's robbed a bank. Me taking a skive day off work, he's got fucking nothing to do with that. He robbed a bank. Like Martinez having a bad game against Spurs has got nothing to do with the direction of the football club.

27:37If anything, if we'd had an ambitious summer, he might not have even been playing against fucking Spurs. That's the hypocrisy of it. Martinez isn't saying buy a load of players and put them around me so I can win the bloody World Cup. He's basically saying the club's a fucking joke, Rob. He's saying the club's a joke and he's in the dressing room. It might not just be. And you know what? Saying we can't blame Barada, Wilcox and Carrick. He's in the dressing room working with them people. You're not. I'd trust him on what he thinks about Wilcox, Carrick and Barada than you. That's bullshit, mate.

28:14And as for saying Manchester United can't spend money quickly, that's on the Glazers, not Wilcox, Barada or Carrick. No, it's not. It's on the Glazers and Ineos. Ineos run the footballing side of things. They appointed Barada, Wilcox and Carrick, who clearly aren't up to the job. And also they rescued the Glazers. Why have you not put Ineos in there? You've mentioned Glazers, Wilcox, Barada and Carrick. the biggest elephant in the room is Ineos, who saved the Glazers and appointed Berada, Wilcox and Carrick. So you've not even put the real blame into your message. This is just propaganda client journalism.

28:51And Carrick has bloody retweeted it as a Liverpool player who knows next to nothing about Man United. And this is what I mean. This is where we get diluted as a fan base. These people come jumping in with their, you know, quirky opinions, but they don't think them through. It's not about having an argument with Jamie Carrig or Rob Dawson. It's about exposing the naivety of what they're saying. A serving Man United player has come out and said what all the fans are thinking. So if you ridicule that serving player, you're ridiculing the fan base and none of these ex-players and none of these journalists are intelligent enough to figure it out.

29:31You're ridiculing a player that's come out and said something that the fans have been saying for years. So you're ridiculing us. You're preaching at us. It's absolute bullshit. I'm sorry, but it is. Martinez, it doesn't matter whether he played badly against Spurs. It doesn't matter whether he's Argentinian. It doesn't matter whether you think he's crap. The message could have come from Shea Lacey. It could have come from Xerxi. It could have come from Lemens. It could have come from bloody Darlow. It still would have been impacted. It's got nothing to do with how good they are as a player. Obviously, you want it to be Bruno Fernandes.

30:09You do. But it's still a massive message. And here we are waking up to the same people protecting, ultimately, the Glazers who've sunk this football club for 20 years and put it into debt and Ineos who saved them. And I'm not having it that we have to sit back and not spend money for two years while they build a fucking stadium that will make them even richer. Why are we lacking total clarity of sense around Manchester United? It's madness to me. It's absolutely madness and it needs calling out. Absolutely. Let's get into your comments anyway.

30:49Let's go. Michael, welcome to Members Club. Thank Thank you very much for that. Martinez put his head on the line for the team. He's my hero, says Bong. Do you think the board will hit back and respond? Mate, they'll do exactly. They're already doing it. Right, I'll tell you how it works. If journalists like Laurie Whitwell and Rob Dawson and Chris Wheeler and Simon Stone, and I don't know whether they've put anything out yet, but I know the club will feed them stuff. If they're already putting stuff out, they'll have already been fed. which tells you what's already happening. This is not going to end with Wilcox being sacked.

31:27This is not going to end with the Glazers or Ineos selling. This is going to end with Lissandro Martinez being gradually ridiculed by the British media and it being swept under the carpet. And we'll be back where we were. Does he blame Wilcox for Hull, Fulham, Everton, etc.? I mean, I think that's just a simpleton view again, mate. The message is far bigger than results against Hull. And ultimately, why would Wilcox not be responsible for Hull, Fulham, Everton? Surely if we had a stronger squad, we probably would have got better results. Or we would have exposed Carrick more. Knowing Wilcox, he'll sack Carrick to try and get the pressure off him, says Docu.

32:06What Martinez said has brought fans together for once. We need Carrick and players to stand with him. Management cannot do anything if everyone is together. It won't happen, but you're right. You're right, Shauna. you could literally have a situation where there was mutiny for the better good. You know, this could be a movement that actually led to genuine change. But this is what I mean about players and Carrick. Are you with the fans or are you with the Glazers? It comes down to that. Don't try and be intricate about it. Don't try and say, well, the Glazers are bad, but we do like Wilcox and Barada.

32:42No, you're either with the fans who are 100 % behind Martinez or you're with the club who are going to expose him. Look, we as a fan base either grab this opportunity or we sit back and let the media and everybody else do what they're going to do. You're either with Martinez or you're with the Glazers. There's no grey area. It's as simple as that. This is the Glazers with Ineos and Wilcox and Barada and it's the fans and Martinez. And where you fall in between, where you fall in between, well, there is no grey area. there is no sitting on the fence. You're either a Glazer or you're with Martinez.

33:18And people need to make their mind upon that. Whether it will fizzle out really quickly or not, we'll have to wait and see. But let's see. If Gleneos have anything about them, they have to consider how it's reached the point when serving players are calling out their club. Sell Martinez if you want. The dressing room is gone, but Wilcox needs to go. And Emily, you make a great point. But can I just say this about Wilcox, right? He probably doesn't set the budget. He might have wanted Elliot Anderson. He might have wanted Alex Scott. He might have wanted Manu Kone. He might have wanted Lewis Hall.

33:49I absolutely concede that. But here's the mic drop for you. Instead of protecting Wilcox and the Glazers, why don't we say this? If Jason Wilcox is being exposed unfairly, has he not got an agent? I mean, mate, it's 2026. Pick up the phone to somebody and say, off the record. You know, he's not doing that because he's sticking with his employers. So I haven't got any sympathy for Wilcox. He may be innocent. He may have tried to get Lewis Hall and Sir Jim Radcliffe could say, shut up. But leak it out. Leak it out. Protect yourself. Silence is not an excuse. You can't wait for bloody Rob Dawson and co to protect you.

34:30Leak it out. Leak it out that Jason Wilcox wanted Lewis Hall and was told no. Leak it out that Jason Wilcox wanted Elliot Anderson and was told no. Because then we get your side of the story. But we can't just go, oh, you know, maybe that was the situation. Trust me, most serving players, if they were being criticised publicly and they hadn't done it, they'd make sure it got out that they didn't. But Wilcox won't do that. Why won't he do that? Probably Carrick has received orders not to play Martinez again, says Peter. I mean, what I think, what the dream will be, right? Let's see if we can play this out because this is how this fan base rolls.

35:09We beat Leeds with Aidan Heaven next to Harry Maguire. and on Monday morning, Martinez is a criminal. And all this gets forgotten. This will get swept under the carpet by beating Leeds and dropping Alessandro Martinez. This is how this gets defeated. And I'll tell you what will happen when I do my match reaction to Leeds. I'm going to say, shame on you, shame on you, shame on you, shame on you, shame on you. Every fucking player that plays against Leeds and wins that game without Alessandro Martinez, I'm going to say, shame on you. Where were you against Spurs? Where were you against Atletico Madrid?

35:45Where were you against Hull? But you turn up to throw a fellow player under the bus and prove him wrong. Well fucking done, lads. Well fucking done. So that's how they solve this. A little bit of a bonus for beating Leeds and sweeping Martinez under the carpet. Great comments, but should he follow Wilcox out the door? He's one of the reasons this team isn't Champions League standards, says Atari. It's completely separate, mate. It's not relevant. And don't be foolish enough to follow the media on that. It's not relevant whether Martinez is good enough or not. As I said, Xerxes has been crap for Man United.

36:16But if he'd said that last night, I'd have loved it. It's not about the player. It's about the message. The message is far bigger than the player. And this is where people are going wrong. Keane did the same and Rooney as well. I said this last night. Roy Keane used to do it. Thank you, Mark. Marv says, if Bruno is the captain, says nothing, he needs to leave. look, I know this for a fact. I can't put it out there. I think Alex Crook in TalkSport has already done it. He won't name players. The players are with Michael Carrick. The players are with Martinez. The players that matter are with Martinez.

36:55Absolutely. So you can put two and two together, but Martinez is not on his own. He's probably going to get isolated on his own as people stab him in the back, but he's not on his own. Like Harry Maguire said at the start of summer, he expected big signings. We didn't get them. So Harry Maguire won't be happy. He literally said it at the start of the summer. Bruno Fernandes is not happy. You know, he's not happy. So that's two that won't be happy, senior players. Who the other ones are? I'd imagine Marcus Rashford's not happy. I don't know. But like, I don't know why Rashford gets so much shit.

37:31He was at Barcelona last year in a very good team. He's now at Man United in a shit team. Now, you might not rate him, but he's still in a shit team. So I don't think anybody's really... I mean, the Ahmad one's interesting. I'm not convinced Ahmad was backing Martinez. Ahmad came out on Snapchat and said, fucking disgrace if I speak. I personally think Ahmad might have been talking about the red card for Yaro, which I've got no time for, Ahmad. If you're talking about the fucking red card for Yaro. Grow the fuck up. There's something bigger than that going on. But you never know with Ahmad. Ahmad might have been backing Martinez, but it was vague enough that he won't be in trouble.

38:09Rashford should be the first guy to back him. I'd love Rashford to come out and do this. I'd love Rashford to do it. He's got such a powerful position, Rashford, in the sense that he didn't even want to be here. They brought him back. It's a shit show. He's playing with an injury. He probably should be playing up front. you know say what you want about Rashford, Bruno, whatever but this is bigger than in performances this is about the football club over the last 10 years this is about the football club over the next 10 years there's an opportunity here to be part of a movement which is incredible and unique but it's you know you could you could go down in United's recent history.

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40:18as people who brought about real change you know Martinez legend none has done it in the past says Mr Agro Martinez has pushed further on the pre-season comments from Maguire and Shaw wanting the squad strengthened says Dirty Deeds is Martinez saying what we're all thinking well he's saying what I'm thinking Shiren Martinez is becoming our Everdeen from the Hunger Games sticking his neck out in the line for us against the tyrannical regime it's a Slazy. Look, if I was in that dressing room, I'd be putting a fucking statement out. If I was Bruno Fernandes, I'd be saying, look, you better not be getting thrown under the bus because if you do, you've lost the dressing room to Carrick.

40:57That's what I'd be doing. You know, I think about Gary Neville when Rio Ferdinand, I vaguely remember the story. So Rio Ferdinand, I think, got the drugs ban, whatever. We all know the details of it. He He missed a drugs test, didn't he? I think England dropped him or something and Gary Neville led like this go on strike from the players. That's a very vague summary of what happened. But it happened and it's happened to other clubs as well. Somebody in that dressing room needs to step forward and say, he's only saying what we think. Don't fucking throw him under the bus for it. He's only saying what we think.

41:38So however this plays out, don't fucking throw him to the wolves. He's one of our players. He's a senior player. We respect him. And actually, we agree with him. So this is where you get a dressing room together. This is where Bruno Fernandes goes, who agrees with him? Why don't you agree with him? We agree with him. We need to be together on this. That's how, you know, this is what, this won't happen, but this would have happened at United 20 years ago. A dressing room would come together and the manager would back him as well. This is where the players should stand with him, says Simon. Wilcox spoke once after Liverpool at Anfield last year and won three in a row, never when things are going bad.

42:15No, Wilcox only puts quotes out when he signs a player. You're absolutely correct, Joey. Reckon if there could be a civil war if Martinez has made the scope goats as Ipster?

42:27Look, I don't know. There are people out there that seem to not like Martinez, most of them being journalists and in the media. I think that's because he's not British with some of them, and I've said that before. but you can see it this morning. Wilcox has got to go but the problem is bigger than him says Andron. Carrick needs to go but even if a new manager comes in how long until all this repeats? I am going to talk about Carrick in a bit. We will get there so don't worry about that X. Thank you Martinez for speaking for us. Wilcox should go 100 % says Hamza. Do you agree in the most organisation you can't humiliate...

43:00Sorry, Ryle says do you agree in most organisations you can't humiliate the boss and expect to survive? He's thrown his teammates under the bus. He's undermined dressing room harmony. he also made players not want to come here agree. No. I only agree with one thing there, Ryle. If you speak out against your boss, you're probably going to lose your job. I agree with that. I don't think he's thrown his teammates under the bus. I've listened to it a few times. He's basically saying that we're not a good enough team and he did not include himself in that. He also said he expected more players to come in and he doesn't rate the technical director.

43:34I don't think he's undermined the dressing room harmony because we're shit. We've not just won our last five games in a row. We haven't won a game in five. We are shit. So I don't agree with you on that. I do agree with you that if you speak out against your boss, you've got to expect to get the sack. You know, ultimately the Glazers own the club. But I wouldn't give a shit. Ranking football shirts. Thanks. Welcome to the members club. The message is more important than the messenger. That's the line, Ryan. Exactly. Martinez should be our captain. Thoughts. That's not going to happen, Ross. I reckon the butcher will get axed in the summer.

44:05I literally said to you, I literally said to you that I think he's gone in the summer. I really do.

44:24Sorry, I'm just sending this to Rain.

44:47Slazy says, hypothetically, the entire squad got together and released a joint statement against the owners and leaders. What would Glynios do? They can't fire them all. It would be an historical event. I mean, that would be a dream scenario. It won't happen. Mark, fans are number one. Football clubs, players, managers don't exist if fans decide to fuck off. So Martinez mustn't worry, says Mikel. Well, also as well, a very generous super chat here. I'll come back to that in a minute. You know when you get like ex-players, journalists, the club, the manager pontificating at you, saying the thing that annoyed me the most, I didn't get to sleep until about half past midnight last night, which is unusual for me because I'd finished here at 11, but I just, my brain was on social media, I was reading tweets and stuff.

45:33That's not happened to me for a long time, by the way. I mean, this used to happen maybe four or five years ago. I'd be on X reading it and stuff till about half past midnight. So that just shows you the enormity of that news. And my mind was buzzing and my thoughts were buzzing. And I couldn't get off because the reason was making me angry was that we're being pontificated at, we're being preached at by blue tick journalists, ex-players, you've been in the dressing room and, you know, the manager, etc. And I thought exactly what you said there. Hold on a minute. Are you football fans? Did you not make it as a player, not bother to be a journalist, aren't rich enough to own a club?

46:16Are you a football fan who, alongside their family, friends and job, put their time, free time, into something they love day in, day out, week in, week out, year in, year out? I mean, you've got people in this community who get up at four or five in the morning to watch Man United play every fucking week. We chose to give our time to Manchester United, right? Journalists are paid to do it. Ex-players are paid to do it. Owners do it for money. We give our time collectively as a fan base to this football club for free. And everything Lissandro Martinez said is exactly what we think. To be preached at by that lot, that he's wrong, is to preach at us that we're wrong.

47:09And this is where football's gone wrong in the last 20 years. You look at Man City, you look at Chelsea, you look at Man United, different stories, but all the same. The football fan has become the suppressed who get their finger wagged at them and said, you know, you're wrong, you're wrong, you're wrong. Well, we're not fucking wrong, are we? Have the Glazers destroyed Man United? Have Ineos facilitated them? Are we getting worse? Is the football shit? Is our ambition in the transfer market worse than Coventry's? Yes, yes, yes, yes, yes. So how is Martinez wrong for calling it out? There's a lot more.

47:48To be honest, what he said is really tame. There's a hell of it. He didn't even touch on the debt. He didn't even touch on Old Trafford. He didn't even touch on the Glazers or Ineos. What he said was really tame. So to be preached that by facilitators, no. I absolutely do think that Martinez is going to get thrown under the bus, isolated, will beat Leeds, and he'll end up Monday morning, Monday morning, they'll be ridiculing Martinez and the players will be complicit in that. If the players turn up against Leeds and work hard and fight and win like they haven't done for the last two months, screw you, lads.

48:27Your motivation is to throw a fellow teammate under the bus, but for the last two months, he won't do it. And that's what worries me. Chris, thank you very much for your generous super chat. This is fair play, Mark. only one that consistently keeps the foot on the owners, keep up the good work. I mean, you know what? I appreciate the super chat, mate. I really, really do. But for me, I find that quite sad. Not your message, but I hear this all the time. We're the only community that constantly calls out how bad the club's being run. And all I can say to the others is you must be on the fucking payroll or something, or you must be desperate to go in a press conference.

49:02Like if you're a fan of the club, how would you be happy? We used to compete for titles. We used to sign good players. We used to be the envy of every other bloody club in the Premier League. We're an embarrassment now. We're a joke. And also, all these ex-players sticking their nose in, if you're not an ex-Man United player, do one. You benefit from this. You don't want us back. You don't want Man United back. So, you know, it's bad. I've actually got Wayne ringing me at the moment. I can't take it. I can't pick it up.

49:55Let's have a look at... Let's have a look at this. A lot of people are saying, can you have a look at Laurie Whitwell's tree? Oh, you know.

50:05how do you think Rio will react he's got to think about brand Rio I mean at the moment he just looks like a massive sellout I mean he's welcome to come on stick to United I've said that before he said it's okay we'll chat later he's welcome to come on stick to United it's not scripted so he might not want to do that but my advice to Rio and he won't want it is you are exhibit A glazer puppet you're out there you know rimming them in pre-season saying the players look great Carrick's cooking mate everything you've said has gone completely the opposite and a lot of us fans could see it coming and you didn't now either you're not very good at analysing football and I don't think that's true or you're so in with the club for interviews and stuff you feel that you have to rim them I would say to Rio as an ex-player of the football club who won things and was ambitious.

51:03If you throw Martinez under the bus, I think that's suspicious. I think Roy Keane, it'd be very interesting to see what he says on stick to football tomorrow. Gary Neville, I think, you know, even Wayne did say about the signings, he agreed with Martinez, he just didn't agree with him saying it after a game. So there's something in the player code that they don't like it being said publicly, but I would hope Rio would come out and say, look, at the end of the day, he's right. but he has got relationships with the club that probably get destroyed by that. But does he need them? He could have more credibility not being attached to the club at the moment.

51:40I mean, I've always said anyway, I don't mind having a relationship with the club as long as they understand you're going to get brutal honesty because this is not EastEnders. This is football. You're not doing very well. You're making mistakes. You need calling out on it. It's not personal. You're just not very good at your job. so anyway

52:09Laurie Whitwell says Lissandro Martinez's unprecedented intervention is reverberating around Manchester United focus on Wilcox who fans want to hear from on Man United transfer policy spending calls made by Sir Jim and Blazers I mean look unfortunately you could sub Rio for the Athletic I think the Athletic are very in bed with the Glazers as well, or Manchester United. Yeah. I just think too many people, I always said this was going to happen. And you know what? You don't see this side of things. I get the kickback. When I call out these client journalists or ex-players, they won't say anything publicly, but it all filters through.

52:55And they don't like it. they don't like it, but they don't listen to the message. I'm just a fan, right? We all consume lots of different things. When I call somebody a client journalist, I'm not doing it to try and get them to tweet me back. I'm doing it because I think they're a client journalist. And it's a warning. If you're a client journalist, this is going to bite you on the arse. If we win, you're fine. But if things go bad, you're in big trouble. And if a serving player comes out and says what the fans are thinking, you're fucked. If you're a journalist who's a client for Man United, you can always say, oh, it's fans, it's hyperbole.

53:35But when a player says what the fans think, you're in a big trouble there because you're like, oh shit, we can't just say it's fans now. So they'll all be revising their thoughts now. I think what Lissandra Martinez has said, for fans, whatever happens is great. Because in a week, a month, a year, we'll always have this. Imagine next summer, if we have a bad summer transfer window, how many people are going to go, remember Martinez last year, he was playing for the team. He was at Carrington. He was in the dressing room and he knew it was shit. So we've always got this now. We've always got this now.

54:13What the PR does is, oh, it's just fan opinion. It's just fan opinion. Yeah. Overreaction, you know, vlogging from his mum's bedroom, just talking shit. Oh, hold on a minute. Serving player just said exactly what we've been saying. Oh, oh, we're not just fans now, are we? We're not just erratic fans now. Serving player, World Cup winner, just said exactly what we've been saying. So you've just been exposed as Stooges, haven't you? So they're in a bad position now. All these clients, and they've been warned. They've been warned by you for years. Stop being a fucking client and start being a journalist.

54:49and now they'll be going, shit, our very existence is in trouble here because we've been exposed by Martinez as well. What Martinez has done is what proper journalists should have been doing. And to be fair, I saw Oli Holt in the Daily Mail talking about Martinez last night, backing him. I think Henry Winter sort of backed him as well. So some have come out, but unfortunately, there's a lot of journalists around Man United that won't do that. And as Sean Turner says, Hope you're doing well, Sean. This has blown the doors off for fans and players aligned. Over to you, owners. Look, there's a great question, Sean, I was asked, and I'd ask you a lot as well.

55:27Take a deep breath. What do you do next? Because you could sack Carrick. You could put it all on Martinez. You could sack Wilcox. I mean, look, for the betterment of the club, and the way I look at it is I'll answer it very, very quickly. What would I do in this situation? You either protect yourselves or you protect the club. Is the club doing well? No. Has it been doing well? No. Is it in trouble? Yes. Has it got any vision? No. Right? I need to protect the club. What changes can I make to protect the club? Does Lissandro Martinez buy players, renew contracts, keep players, pick the team, pick the tactics?

56:13He's just a fucking centre-back. Getting rid of him is not going to change anything. Does changing Michael Carrick change anything? Well, yeah, results might improve, but he's still going to hit a ceiling because of the board. Does changing Jason Wilcox improve anything? Well, he's in charge of contracts, manager recruitment, sales, purchases. I mean, his job is far more impactive than Carrick and Martinez. What about changing the ownership? Well, that's the dream, isn't it? So for me, Wilcox has to go. He's got the biggest responsibility and a proper one might make more of a difference. That's what I would do.

56:53But getting rid of Martinez is like getting rid of Luke Shaw. It's like getting rid of bloody Delo. We're not going to win the World Cup. We're not going to win the World Cup anyway. We're not going to win the Champions League or the Premier League by getting rid of Martinez or Shaw or Delo, are we? If you want to get rid of players, you need to get rid of about 10 and replace them. That's exactly what Martinez is talking about.

57:14Hi, Mark. Our players are ruining their careers. I won't blame them if they lead, says Cal. Ahmad Snapchat. Fucking disgrace. I have no words. I think he might be talking about the red card tee, in which case I've got no interest. All the fans should support Martinez next match, says Tracy. Ahmad also had a go. Is their dressing room upheaval, says Constantine. I know for a fact at least seven players are backing Martinez privately. I think they should do it publicly. I, you know, for me, I come from a background, as I'm sure many of you do, that if you believe in something and somebody stands up and says it, you don't say nothing.

57:53I can't stand people like that. I can't stand people who you're in a group and you're all agreement. And then someone stands up and says, we don't like this, do we, lads? And then everyone goes like that. And that's why, for me, if we beat Leeds on Sunday with a good performance, I'll be fucking fuming with these players. because it's throwing Martinez under the bus. That's their motivation. And that's not right. You know, people need to stand up with him now because he's right. And that'll shut down all this betraying the dressing room. He's not betrayed the dressing room. He hasn't. There might be some people who are unhappy with him.

58:32Tillemans didn't look very happy with him. But Tillemans is a new signing that we shouldn't have bought who's only been here two months. He doesn't understand the club. He probably doesn't even know anything about the Glazers. I haven't got a problem with Tillemans. Mark, fans, done that one. Right. I want to quickly... Great show this morning, by the way. Please do smash a like and subscribe. I want to quickly talk about...

59:10I haven't seen what Rio Ferdinand said. Shall I listen to it and then I can talk to you about it? Because he's getting absolute pelters for it. Let me see if I can listen to this.

59:26Thank you.

59:55Thank you.

1:00:25Thank you.

1:01:08Sorry, can you hear me now? Can you hear me now? Let me know. I thought I'd unmuted it.

1:01:20sorry i'd hit you i'd hit the wrong one so look i'll repeat it again um city will be loving this because it removes the spotlight says dan yes um so basically i've very quickly listened to what rio said there um because you asked me to uh so i haven't listened to the full three minutes i've skipped through it basically what he said is he shouldn't have said it publicly he should have knocked on the door of Wilcox or Barada and said everything to them privately. And United, what do they do next? And it came across that Rio wanted them to show consequences that to any young player or current player, you can't do that and you will be dealt with.

1:02:00So pretty much a glaze of stooge, isn't it, really? I mean, what a crock of shit. I mean, this is my point. Like, these people don't listen, But so what Rio is basically saying is he shouldn't have done it and we should carry on as what's going on. He should have kept it privately. He shouldn't have said it. And now that he said it, he should be dealt with. So I'm sorry, I disagree. So what you're saying, Rio, is we never should have known about it as fans. The paying public who give up our time, we shouldn't be spoken to. We shouldn't be communicated. the dictatorship should continue Martinez should say it privately they don't listen to him nothing gets said end of story what a load of crap you know what sometimes I feel I didn't live in I am old but I didn't live in the 1800s but some of the response from certain ex-players and journalists make me feel like we're living in the 1800s where there's a class system you don't speak out you don't speak out against your owners you don't speak out You know, you keep it in-house.

1:03:08You might be being abused, but don't say anything to anybody in the family. It's mad to me. No, you don't say that. It might be shit, but you don't say it. You keep it quiet.

1:03:23Lissandro Martinez could have come out last night and said something that he shouldn't have said. And we all would have gone, you don't say that. But he's literally saying what 99.9 % of the fan base believe. We've had protests. We've had all sorts. If he'd gone and knocked on the door of Jason Wilcox and said, your transfer window's shit, the team's shit, the ambition is shit. All that would happen is Lissandro Martinez's contract has not been renewed. Leak to the press. Yeah, we just don't think he's up to it anymore when you look at his injury record. That's what we would have found out. So Martinez says it privately and all we find out is, yeah, he's had loads of injuries so we want to get rid of him.

1:04:05That's how that plays out. By not saying anything, you let the dictators run the house. By saying something, you expose the truth. As John says, so many people sold their soul. It's sad to see it from our legends. Carrick either backs the board and loses the dressing room or backs the players and the board axes him. I think Martinez finished him without wanting it, says Beati. I think in relation to Carrick because we could go on and on we're obviously all thinking about Martinez but Carrick's in trouble there's this belief that we played well last night we played better last night than we have done recently but we still lost I mean it's almost like a relegation team at the moment isn't it well we didn't lose 4-0 this week we lost 2-0 and we were better than last week you know it's Carrick spoke about hunger before the game this that and the other you lost the game to Atletico Madrid.

1:04:57Whether you were at hunger, whether you could have took your chance. I mean, can I just say as well, the best pass of the game was Lissandro Martinez into Marcus Rashford. If Marcus Rashford had connected with that, it would have been a great moment for Rashford. That pass was brilliant. It was brilliant. But look, we didn't deserve to win. It's a very low bar, as Harry says. Wilcox and the board's mistakes have cost more than Martinez ever has or will. And Wilcox may well be cheaper and easier to remove, says Emily. Hi, Mark. Our players are ruining their careers. I won't blame them if they leave, says Cal.

1:05:31But look, what I would say about Carrick is, and I don't have a lot to say because I'm back with you at seven o 'clock tonight and Beth's back at two and we'll react to all the news. It's going to be busy, I think, for the next few days. What I would say about Carrick is, and I've observed this and I've seen people talking about it and I've thought it myself. When Amrim was in charge in December, there was people that wanted Amrim out, but there was people who wanted Amrim to stay. I'd say it was about 50-50. With Ten Hag, similar. With Moyes, similar. With Carrick, I actually think this is really important to say, and I'll say it calmly.

1:06:12I never speak to anybody that explains why they want Carrick to stay beyond he's a nice guy. Like, I've never heard anybody sit down and say, I back Carrick because of this, this and this.

1:06:30And that to me is terrifying. And it might be an enlightening moment for some of you this morning, but there is nobody out there in our fan base saying, we need to stick with Carrick and give him time because I can see what he's doing. We need to stick with Carrick because, you know, this, that and the other. Like, I think we all like Carrick and we're all hoping he can turn it around. But if he wasn't Michael Carrick, ex-player, and he was John Dominguez from, I don't know, Portugal, we'd be like, get him out. He's fucking, he's just not, he's just not the guy. I think Michael Carrick is surviving on being Michael Carrick.

1:07:08Like, you know, when he went to the touchline and he was talking to Steve Holland and Steve Holland looked like he was writing out the Chinese takeaway order. it's just it's really bad and that's all I'm going to say about Carrick this morning it's like I just think he's surviving because he's Michael Carrick and as I said with Amorim Mourinho Tenag yeah there was people who wanted him out at the end but there was also people who wanted them to stay I think with Carrick there's nobody actually there's no there's nobody out there fighting his corner for any justifiable reason this team's worse than last year as well.

1:07:45I thought what Martinez said that might have been forgotten is he said, the problem is we did really well last season, but you've got to change things in the summer because everybody figures you out. You've got to change and we haven't changed. In fact, we're worse, aren't we? So, yeah, I think that's a damning verdict on Carrick is that I just don't see anybody fighting his corner beyond hope and he's a nice guy and he's an ex-player. There's just, there's no feel to the team, is there? It's just a mess at the moment. Anyway, thank you very much. Great show this morning. Plenty more to talk about, of course.

1:08:25Nearly 20 ,000 watching, which means it's a big show. Thank you very much for tuning in. Look, hopefully a lot of other people are saying what we're saying because there's a lot of good things been said there. But look, just for the rest of the day, beware the pile on. And remember, the messenger, is way smaller than the message. So when they're talking about Martinez's mistake against Spurs or the fact that he's Argentinian or, you know, he should be respecting his bosses, just remember, this is coming from the same people who have been clients of the club fucking years and they're complicit.

1:09:05They're just Glazerites. It's really simple. Do you agree with Martinez or do you agree with the Glazers? Forget anybody in between. There is no Carrick. There is no Wilcox. There is no Barada. It's are the Glazers right or is Martinez right? And in my opinion, Martinez, whatever the reasons, is saying exactly what we've been saying as fans. But you watch the pylon now. You watch the pylon. Speak to him in a bit. Take it. I mean, God, look, 25 percent would get rid of Martinez instead of Wilcox. maybe I've got it wrong then I would have thought 99 % would want Wilcox out over Martinez then again it just say who goes so people might be thinking they'll get rid of Martinez thanks for watching Piers Morgan

1:09:56Piers Morgan's more to do with news I wouldn't really listen to anything he's got to say about football

1:10:13Oh, OK, I'll answer this here and now. So I put a tweet out saying Lissandro Martinez built him a statue. Finally, a serving player calling out the board and owners. Rest of the dressing room should stand with him immediately. And Piers Morgan says, actually, Cristiano did it first in my 2022 interview with him. You didn't call for him to get a statue. You called it very sad, a bad mistake and pretty vulgar clip bait. Yeah, because that's because he sat and did it with you. If I'm about to make a big statement, I go and do it after a Champions League game on Amazon Prime to a footballing audience.

1:10:46I don't go and do it to a guy who interviews Shane Ritchie. You know, I don't. And also, Ronaldo did it having stormed out of the club. Martinez hasn't stormed out of the club either. He's a serving player that still wants to be a player and win things. I liked what Ronaldo said, but it came across as bitter and sour grapes. It did. Sorry. Take care, everyone. Mom, speak to her in a bit.

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