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1:40Hello everybody, welcome to the United Stands. I'm Mark Goldbridge. This is your latest Manchester United news this Sunday morning as the reports come in that it's business as usual at Manchester United. Michael Carrick will be in charge for Roma. He will be in charge for Aston Villa. He probably will be in charge for a very, very long time. Somebody in the chat said, Carrick hater Goldbridge. Mate, honestly, I mean, if you want to have that chat, we can have that chat. I don't hate anybody. Do I want Michael Carrick to get sacked? Yes. I don't actually been doing this for a very long time. Normally, I do understand different opinions.

2:16I don't get this applauding shit. As I said last night, you know, I went for a dump last night in the bathroom, turned around and applauded my shit before I flushed it. Because that seems to be what United fans are doing. They're applauding shite. You know, I was looking last night at... Well done to Ruben Amrin, by the way, for beating Inter Milan. They're having a great season, AC Milan. That's a tough job there. You know, you need to be a bit patient. You need support from his board. They're having an amazing season, AC Milan, considering there's a hell of a lot of work to do there. So big shout out to Ruben Amrin.

2:46But what I would say is that when I was looking at some of the quotes from last December about Ruben Amrim, about a lack of intensity, about style of play, about falling out with players, etc. And I look at where we are now. I actually find it incredible this morning. I find it absolutely incredible what the club and some of our fans and the media have just settled for. I mean, we're behaving like Hull. Like people are going, well, you know what? We might have lost to Chelsea, but we did play very well in the first half. And I'm like, this is not the first game of the season. We're not top of the league where you maybe can go.

3:30We played really well in the first half. This is one win in nine, seven points from 27, one point off relegation. Absolutely no intensity in our second half at all this season because we've got no fitness. No real style of play. And I just I just can't. You know, I still want to throw the floor to you. Like, what is it that you're seeing? What is it that makes you go, I'm backing Michael Carrick? What is it about this? And look, I don't back the ownership. I don't back the board, but I do not agree with he's not. I mean, I saw people yesterday going, it's not his fault. There was journalists yesterday going, it's not his fault.

4:15And I'm like, you should be sacked. You should be sacked. Because if this guy was called Ruben Amorim, I'm not messing around. This is absolutely stupidity from people who are backing Carrick because you are the biggest hypocrites on the planet. Because a year ago, when it was Ruben Amrim, who wasn't even in this situation, we weren't one point off relegation. We weren't one win from nine. It was, as I said yesterday, you can be a shit ex-player who's sinking the club and it's fine. Applaud it, right? But if you're a foreign manager who has standards and is trying to build something, get out of our club.

4:58Who does he think he is? And don't tell me that's not true. Michael Carrick is a Glazer. He said it in his book. He loves the Glazers. And he sits there protecting them every fucking day that he's here. And if he doesn't like that, well, fine. But that's my opinion. He is protecting the Glazers. He's protecting Ineos and he gets applauded for it. Ruben Amirim came out and spoke openly about the structure not being good enough and he got vilified. Make that make sense. Ex-players, the media, vilified Ruben Amirim like he was a moron. They protect Michael Carrick who is basically protecting the Glazers and Ineos.

5:41Look, he's a legend as a player. He was a brilliant player but you can't polish a turd and you can't change that story. He is staying there, is protecting those people. We are not a football club. We're a dead club protecting egos. This is about Jason Wilcox not being wrong. This is about Ineos not wanting to spend money. This is... Look, I had to take a bit of time off last night because I just thought, well, after the match reaction, there's nothing really I'm going to say on an 8 o 'clock show. But I genuinely cannot understand it. I cannot understand how it's acceptable to lose, how we see the positives in a loss.

6:26Michael Carrick sat there in his press conference yesterday, relaxed, relaxed. Is any of this getting through? Look, I haven't got a problem with the away fans cheering the players and cheering Michael Carrick. I mean, some people have got their knickers in a twist about that. I think our away support is incredible. they sang for David Moyes they sang for Van Gaal they sang for Oli there's nothing new about our away fans cheering shit and it's not that they're cheering shit it's just it's like a being an away fan for Manchester United or Liverpool or whatever it's a different like you're giving up your weekends you know you're using your leave it's a community and you'd ruin that community if at an away game every time United were crap you were booing the players what's the point?

7:14it's like the balmy army going out to watch England and they get beat in Australia they'll still go and they'll still cheer like it's a mentality so away fans cheering the players and and the manager when they're shit does look a little bit weird but I understand why they do it however what I don't understand is how the media and the online fans and the ex-players have lowered their standards to Australia. If they live in the UK, they're that low. Like, I just can't get my head around it. And obviously, I think Whitwell last night, talk sport this morning, Michael Carrick will be in charge for Roma.

7:58And I'm just like, I know we're powerless to do anything. We're powerless to do anything about that. But how does that make you feel this morning? I feel numb. I feel actually numb about Manchester United. Yesterday was the weirdest game I've ever watched. I don't remember a game like that. I remember the game we played, final game of the season, when Van Gaal was in charge. And if we got top four, would we have got Mourinho? And I was a little bit like, oh. But that game yesterday, I found myself, when United were nearly scoring chances, sort of like going, oh. You know, like when you're watching tennis.

8:30I don't mind watching tennis, but I'm not passionate about it. And then when Chelsea scored, I was like, oh, I expected that. That's not normal. That is not normal. You've sat with me doing watch-alongs for over 10 years. When Man United score a goal, I'm off my seat. When Man United concede a goal, I'm fucking fuming. I was just sort of like so passive to it yesterday. And the reason that is, is the club have done that. Michael Carrick, the board, the owners. I really hope people are passive in relation to spending money this Christmas. I really hope people are passive in relation to spending money on tickets.

9:09Because if I feel like that and you feel like that, I hope people aren't putting their money in the pocket for kits and tickets because that's where it's going to hurt them. They can sit there going, we're not going to have Carrick to protect ourselves. But what they need to feel is the pinch financially. And I'll tell you this for free as well. We're 12 points behind Brighton. If you have a look at this league table this morning, right, this to me is absolutely mad. Right. Let's get this up. Right. we're on seven points, yeah? We have played the same games as everybody apart from Liverpool now.

9:45We are Villa. All right, we could beat them next week and be two points behind them, but we're five points behind them. We're five points behind Spurs. I don't even know how that happens because it felt like, you know, only last week everyone was taking the piss out of Spurs. We're five points behind Spurs. We're five points behind Bournemouth. We are seven points behind Brentford. We're eight points behind Liverpool who are playing today. We're nine points behind Chelsea and we're 12 points behind Brighton. I don't want to, you know, be the prophet of doom here, but we're not getting the Champions League.

10:23I don't know whether anybody's figured this out yet, but we're not going to get the Champions League. It's not going to happen. Not with this manager. He's not going to take Manchester United on a run of 10 wins. So it's not going to happen. It's never going to happen. So you know how, you've probably figured out where I'm going here. You know how they don't want to spend money on Unai Emery or Conte or whatever, right? If you don't get Champions League football, that's£100 million you don't get. So if I'm Sir Jim Radcliffe, I'm like, there is£100 million coming to this club in May if we finish in the top five.

11:10Right now, that looks very unlikely. If I make a change and spend 25 million of that, it's still 75 million coming to me instead of nothing. And it's wild that they don't think like that because that 100 million for Champions League qualification is not coming at all at the moment. But you could make a change and a lot of that money would still come in. But I'm telling you now, it's getting to the point where it's virtually impossible for any new manager to come in and get Champions League football now. And that's taken into account that Man City might get relegated. You've still got Arsenal, Brighton, Chelsea, Liverpool and probably Tottenham or Villa are going to go into that fight.

11:56We are falling too far behind. We won't, I don't think you can. I don't think we can close it. I think Brighton finish above us. I mean, that is mad to be saying on the 1st of November, but I've seen this Premier League season. It's very competitive. 12-point gap. I just don't think we pull that back. I don't think we do. And when I was looking at United today, we've lost four games already out of nine. I mean, what win percentage? Look, right, let's not even do Europe, right? Nine Premier League games and a Carabao Cup game is 10. He's won one. He's got a 10 % win ratio domestically this season.

12:44And obviously it's even worse than that because we've played three Champions League games and he's lost two of them as well. We have lost seven games already this season. Seven games collectively and we've lost four in the league already. We've got Anfield coming up straight after the international break. That's probably definitely another loss. So and we've got to go to the Emirates and Newcastle before Christmas. This guy's not turning this around. And the scary thing is where we are this morning is Michael Carrick sat in a press conference last night after we lost the game and was relaxed. he was relaxed I expect to be in charge I'm looking forward to the game on Tuesday now and I was like I know there's been a lot of ranting and moaning over the years but I was sat watching Carrick last night and I was looking at the headlines coming in and I was looking at Wilcox and Barada getting on the team coach and I was like what parallel universe am I living in here what how is a manager sat there under no pressure.

13:57And the journalists are like, Michael, hi, Michael. Yeah, what are you having for dinner? Anyway, thoughts on the game? Well, yeah, you know, there was some good bits, but I'm just looking forward to Tuesday now. And you're just sort of like going, one win in nine. Plus another three losses in the Cups already. And there's no pressure. There's just no pressure on him at all. And then the leaks come out last night. Um, no, yeah, Carey could be in charge until the international break, at least. There's still belief in the board that he can turn this around. Turn this around? What are we trying to do here?

14:36Break history? What manager in footballing history has turned this sort of a thing around? Forget Man United. What manager has turned this sort of stuff around? It's madness. But the infuriating thing is, it's really not worth getting your blood pressure up about or getting angry about because the club are in control. And they have decided that it doesn't matter how many games we lose, they can keep Michael Carrick. What's the consequence? Oh, fans think it's ridiculous. So what? We can put the ticket prices up. Knock the stadium down. give Carrick another contract. There's just no consequence for their bad decisions.

15:22And they're just going to stick with it. And I'm telling you now, I know I did that show with Carrick on Friday and he was saying, I think they're just waiting until the international break to sack him, no matter what. I disagree. One win out of Roma or Villa, and he's here. He's here now. So, and at some point we are going to win a game. I watched Villa last night and I thought, you know what? never say it, but Fulham sort of dominated them and I was like, you know, Fulham aren't that good. So Roma, I don't know, it's at Old Trafford. But at some point we are going to win. Surely we'll win a game in the next two and then that's him staying.

16:01That's him here. But the big issue I have and I don't care if I stand alone on this. I'll be saying it to Rooney on Stick to United this week. I've got I don't want Michael Carrick here anymore I don't I never thought I'd say that but I don't want him here anymore I don't want him or Steve Holland or Jonathan Woodgate managing this club anymore I don't I think they're very very bad at it and I want to see them sacked and I definitely want a change of ownership and I definitely want a change in the board but I'm just not one of these people that thinks it's not Carrick's fault I saw people yesterday trying to pin it on Martinez and I was like, right.

16:49Before Martinez got sent off, we were 1-0 down and being dominated and clearly didn't have the fitness for the second half. That game, we were losing that game anyway. Carrick got outmanaged at half time. Alonso made changes and we were getting absolutely dominated. What Martin is dead was stupid, but I saw people last night going, Martin, that's not on Carrick, that's on Martinez. And I'm like, these people are deluded. They're absolutely deluded. We're living in a world now where it's not the manager's fault. I literally had a conversation with someone last night and they were like, you can't blame the manager.

17:24And I'm like, well, I do. And they were like, well, it's not his fault. It's just not his fault. And I'm like, but he picks the team. He coaches the team. he decides the subs, he sets the fitness plan, he does the training, he plays half his team out of position. You can, obviously the owners are a problem, obviously some of the players are a problem, obviously the board are a problem, but he is a problem. There are people out there who are just going, it's not Michael Carrick's fault. And I'm like, it is. I'm sorry. I like Carrick more than most. I thought he was an amazing player, but he's a crap coach.

18:06That's very blunt, but he is. He is responsible. And I'm absolutely convinced that if they brought in Conte, we'd get back up in the top five. We would. I'm absolutely convinced because he's a good coach and we haven't got a good coach at the moment. But I don't think, I think Champions League football is probably gone. I think it's probably gone. And the scary thing is, you might think, well, they'll figure that out and they'll make a change. I don't think they will figure it out. Look at Nice. Nice is a catalogue of incredibly crap decisions. And look at the last two years at Man United. It is a catalogue of absolute crap decisions.

18:53So although I'm sat here saying they need to bring in a top coach now to try and rescue this season, and that might only be Europa League. Forget the Champions League, but we need Europe at some point. I think they're sat there with Wilcox and Barada and Sir Jim going, I think Michael can get us European football. And they're going to realise too late. We'll hit Christmas and it'll be gone. And the opportunity was now and they're going to miss the boat and it's going to cost 100 million quid. And your ticket prices are going to go up and it'll be another crap summer transfer window and we'll fall further and further behind.

19:28There is a window of opportunity to change. And we've missed it. We've missed it. But I'll repeat it. They haven't figured it out. They genuinely haven't figured it out. When you think about decision makers, they're rubbish. and I can't believe I'm saying this but I think the Glazers figured it out because I think with the Glazers they would have sacked Carrick by now when you look at Oli when you look at Mourinho when you look at Van Gaal Carrick would have been sacked by the Glazers because they would have figured it out about the Champions League they'd be like we need to make this change we need to make this change I don't think Ineos behave like the Glazers when it comes to removing managers I think they would have kept Amorim if he hadn't fell out with Wilcox and I think they're determined to keep Carrick and when you look at Ineos at Nice it's this continued stubbornness around bad decisions but this arrogance that they think they know better and I think they think they know better and I think that's why we're still in the position that we are with Wilcox still and look, move it away from Carrick I think they'll keep Wilcox as well I genuinely actually think the Glazers would have got rid of Wilcox and got rid of Carrick by now but I think Ineos will double down on it they don't like being proved to be wrong and and they're not very intelligent about footballing things I can see Carrick in charge for Anfield after the international break I can see this numbness continuing like even if we beat Roma and Villa does that make you think we're back well you you'll be bombarded with we're back If we beat Roma and we beat Villa, the media, the ex-player community, certain fans, you know, the club, it will be Carrick's back, Carrick's back.

21:20And then we'll go to Anfield, we'll get beat and we'll be back where we are now. And it'll be like, well, we've got a game midweek. I just I don't see a change. I don't see a change. I think they're desperately waiting for a win. And as I said last night, because I had a few drinks last night, I was speaking to a few people. I said, if we beat Villa, I think this is a great point. I said, if we beat Villa, would you keep Carrick? And somebody said, I don't know, it's a difficult one, isn't it? Because he's won a game and maybe we can come back. And I said, well, here's the mic drop for you. If we beat Villa, I think they'll keep him, right?

22:05But surely the decision to sack somebody shouldn't be based on one result. if you're running a football club one result shouldn't change your mind either way beating Villa or losing to Villa shouldn't be the reason you keep Carrick for me he's got to go because beating Villa would still only be 10 points from 30 it would still only be 2 wins from 10 you sack him even if you beat Villa the decision should be made regardless of what happens against Villa next week beating Villa doesn't mean he stays losing to Villa doesn't mean he goes the decision should be made already you look at the opening 10 games you look at the fitness you look at the vision you look at the style of play you look at the best 11 and you make your decision but I don't think that's going to happen if I'm being completely honest and also as I said before I'm just I'm going to get into your comments people are moaning the thing I find absolutely incredible is that a year ago probably a month on from now last December the pile on to Amrim was incredible from the media from the fan base from ex-players whatever it was incredible and you look back at those results and they weren't even that bad we went to Villa Park and we lost because Morgan Rogers scored two worldies.

23:38We drew to Bournemouth 4-all and we should have bloody won. We weren't even that bad. And he got absolutely vilified. And in every press conference, he spoke about the challenges, the problems, and he got absolutely vilified. Look at where we are now. and I saw journalists yesterday writing articles about praising praising Carrick praising him I'm like I can't you're the same person that was vilifying Amirim and you're praising this shit and I'm like I just I just cannot believe the hypocrisy and that you know how the standards have fell. I don't even... Look, we're not going to agree on this.

24:37I don't even... I normally... You know, like Ricky, when he talks about Luke Shaw, as much as I think Luke Shaw's past it, I sort of understand where Ricky's coming from when he says he's the best left-back in the world. But I can't... I cannot understand anybody that thinks keeping Carrick's a good idea. Their only argument seems to be it's not his fault. and I think that's weak. In fact, I think it's just downright stupid. It's not his fault. Well, whose fault is it then? Players. Well, who coaches the players? Who picks the players? Who trains the players? Carrick. Wilcox. Okay. Well, yeah, all right, the international, the summer transfer window wasn't great, but do you think this squad should be fourth from bottom with one winning nine?

25:26You know, you can apportion blame to others, but Carrick has to take blame and there are people out there who just don't want to give him any blame and I find it absolutely baffling. And also, he is the guy that sits there in press conferences and backs this board and backs this ownership. He is the guy that every week before we play a game tells us how great we've been in training and how hungry we are and then we turn up and we're shit. So I just don't understand. And then the big one is, no other manager could do any better. So I'm driving round in a Ferrari today and the Ferrari's not very good, right?

26:10But keep me over Lewis Hamilton because he won't do any better in a crap Ferrari. Of course he'll do better. The Ferrari might be crap, but he's still a better driver than me. He'll still finish higher up than me. He won't win the race because the Ferrari's not fast enough, but he'll still do better than me. And it's the same with Michael Carrick. This nonsense that nobody will do any better than him is nonsense. We are one point off relegation. Do you genuinely think that this Man United squad with a Conte or an Nagelsmann or an Emery, even an Eddie Howe, would be one point off relegation? That's ridiculous.

26:44We're a top five team. We're not a top two team. We're a top five team on paper. And we're fourth from bottom. So I absolutely disagree that, you know, no, let's keep Carrick because no other manager will do any better. Of course they bloody will. If you've got Liam De Lappe up front and you're bottom of the league and I say we can get rid of Liam De Lappe in January and bring in Victor Osman on loan, are you going to say, no, he won't do any better? It's a skill issue. Victor Osman's better than Liam De Lappe. He's still a relegation team, but he will make you better. It's so obvious. And people are sat there going, well, no one.

27:24Look, honestly, thinking about it now, you know the people who back Carrick? I think it's sentimentality. I think it's pity. I think it's because he's an ex-player. I think it's because he's a nice guy. I don't think it's... I don't think anybody's backing Michael Carrick, really, because he's a decent coach, or they think he's a decent coach. I mean, this is very blunt, but he's not even a good coach.

27:53Right, Wayne, what are we doing here today? Filming promo for a new podcast. Me and Mark Goldbridge. What's the podcast called, Wayne? It's all wrong. What is it called? Oh, that was good. Wayne as a player, exactly what Man United was all about. But I'm sure we're not going to agree on everything. What would you think about Mark if you were a current player? Probably think he's... We'll be reacting to all the games. Do you do your own painting in your house? All the big stories. Just had my socks on and my underpants. Good. Hopefully no sackings. He's gone first on Baltimore. I think we will have to beat.

28:26That's why I was saying you can go first. I did. On the volley. United. Oh, perfect. On the pitch, off the pitch. I've got a little goal in my garden. I have to say for that, to be honest. Stiff United is coming to him. I was listening to him last night and he was saying that first half is as well as we played this season. I agree. I actually agree. He was basically saying at the start of last, the first half yesterday is the best we've played all season. I absolutely agree. But that's what I saw last season. It's counter-attack football away from home. And I tell you now, any team that attacks us when we're away, that system will work.

29:13We'll probably do reasonably well at Anfield by playing like that. but as soon as we're at home we can't do that and as soon as you play teams that don't do that we're in trouble that game yesterday was perfect Chelsea were under pressure to win so they've got to try and attack which leaves a lot of space for us to get in behind and we probably should have been winning at half time but as soon as Alonso tweaked the system we couldn't deal with it and we got tired. There was nothing groundbreaking in relation to stylistically or vision in that first half yesterday. It's exactly what I saw last season.

29:50It's well-organised, counter-attacking football. That's not... You know what I'm trying to say? I'm trying to say, if you are somebody that is backing Carrick, that's as good as it gets. He has no... You know, it's not like watching Bournemouth. It's not like watching Brighton. He can't play football like that. He can't play entertaining football. He can play counter-attacking football because that's what Steve Holland's all about. Well-organized counter-attacking football. That's all we're going to do. You want to back that because even if Carrick turns this around, that's what you're going to be watching.

30:27It's going to be that style of football. It's not going to be anything decent. So I don't even understand what the CV is that people... I just think people are backing him because it's Michael Carrick. He's a legend of the club and it's sentimentality. There's nothing endearing about his style of play when you get to see it. There's no vision to it and there's no future in it. So, yeah, I find it. But as I say, all we've had is business as usual. It's okay to be fourth from bottom. Did you hear what he said about relegation as well? There's not a stigma attached to us being in the relegation zone.

31:10I don't feel that there is. You know, our job is to try and win games. And I'm like, fuck it. It's become okay for Man United to be in a relegation battle. I don't think we're going to get relegated, by the way. But I think finishing below sixth is sackable. I can almost see the PR now. We win a couple of games. We draw, we lose. We finish 12th. And because we've moved up from fourth from bottom, it's a great season. The standards are on the floor. I can see his finishing 10th and it will be called a good season and we'll stick with him. I'm like, the fitness levels are on the floor. The football's shite.

31:45The team is so splintered as well. I mean, you'd have to be a designated prat to look at that game and think that the players are behind this as well. Like, they're all over the place. I think they're trying, but tactically and fitness-wise, they're just so short. and they can't play for an hour. They can play for about 45 minutes, and then it falls away, and then they get tired, and then they make mistakes. That second half was just embarrassing. I thought we were going to get another sending off because we were so slow. So it made so many fouls. Right, let me get into some of your comments. Apparently, Ahmad's made a statement.

32:27I just don't recognise the club at the moment. I just don't recognise the club. It's just, it's so, it's so flat. there's no aura to it. It's,

32:43yeah. I'm just reading a tweet from yesterday. I don't even see how this is Carrick's fault. It's the players by a mile. The same players that got him the job and now it's the players' fault. As I've said so many times, I forgot that the players did the transfer window, did the fitness training, picks the team, does the tactics. Yeah. And also, if every player is the reason that we're not doing well, sack the manager because they're not playing for the manager. Like, these small-minded brains don't seem to figure that one out. It's not Carrick's fault, it's the players. Well, it is Carrick's fault then, isn't it?

33:25Because the players aren't playing for the manager. That's management.

33:30If we had Pep Guardiola in charge, I bet they'd play for him. maybe we've got a manager that isn't authoritative enough or isn't respected still comes back to the manager doesn't it it's harsh but you know if they're not playing for him that's on the manager isn't it that's man management like why are they not playing for him what what is it and to be honest with you i don't blame them if they're not playing for him it must be very very difficult to be inspired by that um i can't see anything about an ahmed statement

34:01let's have a quick look oh here we go he's done it the tough days weigh heavily on us but they will never erase what unites us the joy of winning again will be even stronger than waiting for it together I'm so excited oh fuck off I like Ahmad but fucking hell mate we're fourth from bottom it's like winning a game seems to be the holy grail we've won one game in nine We're fourth from bottom and we're talking about being hungry again. I mean, just fucking win a game. Just put the ball in the back of the net. Get an assist. I just... We've glorified losing, basically. We've glorified losing. Like, players are doing social media tweets after a fucking fourth from bottom.

34:53Because they got applauded at Stamford Bridge yesterday when they lost, they actually think it's safe enough to go onto social media and start posting inspirational stuff. Like, there is no shame in this football club anymore. There's no shame. Like, they're on social media because they've been applauded after a Chelsea game. It's all right, lads. This is acceptable. I'm...

35:21I just... I don't recognise what's happened to this club and the Glazers and Ineos must be absolutely loving it. They must love it when they see players and a coach being applauded like that when they've lost another game and they're only not in the bottom three because Crystal Palace had a man sent off and couldn't get a point. And players feel safe enough to go out on social media and talk about winning in the future. It's mad. And look, I'm not ranting and raving. It's all very pragmatic and blunt. But I'm not emotional. I'm not emotional because they've took that away. They've turned Manchester United into a shell.

36:08The only thing I'm emotional about in football at the moment is Brighton. I fucking love Brighton. We're not going to start the Brighton stand. I'd had a few drinks when I tweeted that. But I like Brighton. Brighton are the only thing in football at the moment that makes me like football like the vision the style of football what they're doing in the league I mean how are Brighton how does Brighton have a have a better run football club and a better vision than Man United like it's impossible it's impossible that Brighton have got a better ownership a better structure a better vision, a better style of play and are 12 points ahead of us and are better in the transfer market and buy better and sell better.

36:55I mean, everything Brighton do should be what we're doing. And Brighton are succeeding on about 10 things and we're failing on all 10. And they're in the same league as us.

37:15Brighton is not a big club. it doesn't have a big fan base and we have all the resources in the world to recruit best in class and we've ended up I mean is there anything positive about Man United at the moment? Like the debt the stadium the transfer windows the sales the style of play the players the coach the board the owners like there is hardly anything positive about Man United. When I look at Man United, the only positives I see are Manu, Yoro, maybe Heaven. And these are only positives because they're young players that might end up being decent. We're a busted flush in many, many ways.

38:09And it's incredible when you compare us to Brighton, how they succeed on so many things and we fail on every single one of them. I mean, how is it that Brighton have a vision and an identity? And it's been going on for years. Like if Caicedo gets sold, they'll find another two or three and they'll bring them in and then they'll sell them and they'll find another two or three. And whilst that's happening, the style of play and the vision stays the same. And if Deserby goes or Potter goes, they'll find another manager. And if Herzl goes, they'll find another manager. and whoever the next Brighton manager is, they'll still play good football.

38:48You know, Brighton fans don't need to be concerned on a Saturday afternoon when they turn up to watch them play that if Herzler goes, the new manager comes in and parks the bus. It won't happen. They have a vision, Brighton, of how they want to play football. They have a vision of how they want to operate. They accept that players will go, 70 million, belabor, but will bring somebody better in for less than half of the price. And then if they do really well, they'll get sold, but we'll have someone else lined up. It's a conveyor belt of talent. And they accept their role. You know, we will sell to the big clubs, but we'll bring players in and we'll keep doing that and it won't weaken us.

39:25If our manager goes to a big club, fine. We'll bring another manager in, but we won't change the vision. They've got a great chance of being in the Champions League as well this season. But how is it that Brighton have a vision and Man United don't?

39:41like why has Jason Wilcox or Sir Jim Radcliffe not said this is the way we're going to play football at Man United we're going to entertain our fans from minute one to minute 90 whether we win or we lose we are going to entertain we're going to play a brand of football that is exciting in fact we're going to play with wingers who put the crosses into the box midfielders that can support in the box. We're going to play a high line and that's going to be the principle of how we're going to play because that's the Man United way. Why can't we implement that? Why can't we have a vision for how we want to play?

40:17Liverpool do it. Brighton do it. Bournemouth are doing it. Brentford have a style of play. Why don't we have a style of play? Why do we watch a game of football with Man United and sit there after 20 minutes going, this is flat. This is crap. There's no idea. I think the players are confused as well. I think if you said to Bruno Fernandes, what's the style of play? What is Man United's style of play, Bruno? What is it you think we're trying to do as a football club? I don't think there is one. Let me get into the comments, Marlo says. OK, thanks everyone who's watching this morning, by the way.

40:49Look, we have got an eight o 'clock show tonight, but I sit in front of you this morning. I just couldn't do an eight o 'clock show last night. I just, I didn't really have anything to say. But I sit in front of you this morning, reading comments from journalists about it's business as usual Carrick will be the manager for the foreseeable future there's a belief that he can turn it around and I just think you know what I don't know what it is but the owners deserve to pay I'd love empty Old Trafford I'd love a sponsor to pull out yeah yeah I mean I just think it's I'd love you know I'd love Carrick to resign I'd love players to come out and down tools I just think it all needs to fall down now the worst thing that can happen is that we go and win three or four games and we're back and then it will crumble down again I don't think there's any if they're going to stick with this board and this coach and this ownership any positive will become a negative very quickly there might be a little bit of a bouncer but we'll come crashing down again it will definitely come crashing down again There is no future in what we are at the moment.

42:00We might beat Roma. We might beat Villa. But at some point, we'll lose again and again and again. And then we might win a couple. This pathway is not going up. Might be little leaps, but it's not going to get any better. Matthew and Luke, welcome to the Members Club. It's like the Bible. Thank you very much. Welcome to the Members Club. Anthony says, Amorim when sacked, joint fifth, bomb squad, top XG, says Anthony. I know. I know. It's incredible. It's incredible the treatment of Carrick, who is doing dreadful, and the treatment of Amorim. You know, it's mad. Amorim was almost like going to prison for crimes to football and Carrick is being applauded.

42:41And where we were with Amorim was up here. And where we are down is mad. It's absolutely mad. Give it to Giggs until the end of the season, says Sulky. Mark, you seem to be more frustrated than most because you think we can salvage something this season. once you adjust your hopes you will find peace mate since sun rises look I believe Manchester United should be in that top four I think it's becoming virtually impossible for that to happen last season was horrific like not having a game for two or three weeks not because it's an international break but because we're not in Europe and we're not in a cup is horrible that is hurtling towards us next season

43:22I don't know why those of us who can see that Are being identified as negative There's one thing about this fan base that they haven't learnt They get proven wrong Oh I'm a believer, I'm a believer And you sit there and you go He was crap last season for Brighton He was massively inconsistent He was either on the bench or subbed after 60 minutes For most of last season we shouldn't be going anywhere near him and he's definitely not a£70 million player oh you're so negative you're so negative I'm a believer I'm a believer I'm a believer now look at what people are saying about the labour why did we do that deal?

44:04you get proved right Carrick I'll back him I don't think he should get the job I'm not impressed beyond results I don't think there's anything there I don't think that this coaching team's very good I don't think this is sustainable this to me is just like a new manager bounce it won't work Oh, shut up. You're being negative. Oh, we finished third. We've got the best win ratio ever. Anyway, a few months later, look at where we are. In the summer, this is a crap summer transfer window. Block Goldbridge. Everybody block Goldbridge. You're so negative. It's a crap summer. I'm not changing my mind.

44:34Oh, he's so negative. At the end of the summer, it's a crap summer. Like there's one, there's this recurring problem in our fan base where you tell them what's going to happen and they ignore and they abuse you and then it happens. And I'm telling you now, next season we're going to be playing one game a week again, broke because we're not going to be in Europe. So what I'm talking about here is Carrick should have gone on Monday and maybe we would have beat Chelsea. I think Chelsea were there to be beat, by the way. I'm not going back. I think Chelsea were there to be beaten. I don't think Chelsea are very good at the moment and I think they were there to be beaten.

45:11If we'd played Brighton yesterday, we would have been smashed. I don't think Chelsea were very good. I think Chelsea were there to be beaten. And I think if we'd given the job to a new manager, they probably would have beat them. Because we nearly beat Chelsea with Carrick. Imagine what would have happened in that first half with focused players working on a new manager bounce. I think we'd have won the game. So I think that's three points gone by keeping Carrick. Those three points would have been really useful because we'd be nine points off Brighton instead of 12. And we'd be right up Chelsea's arse and we'd be in the top half of the table.

45:45So we're blowing points at the moment. Money and Wilcox trying his best not to look stupid, says Frank. Hay says, I think Man United should maybe try acting like Hull. Four points clear at the moment. Having a laugh. Whatever happened to best in class? We sold a lemon. They all need to go. He lost the Europa League, finished 15, 38 % win rate, says I was. Who are we talking about? Oh, Amorim. Oh, was that when he came in halfway through the season, didn't have a transfer window? Yeah. we're talking about when he actually got sacked, mate, compared to where we are with Carrick now. Yeah. Supporting United is like supporting a corporate political party rather than a team.

46:26It's commercial brand with football as a side project. Look, as has been said by many people, the beast, most people in here love Manchester United. I'll tell you for free, Manchester United is a vile club. What it is under the glazes in Ineos is not a very nice club. It's not a club to be proud of. we're in huge debt, we sacked off our workforce, we're raising ticket prices, we're shitting on our own fans, we're knocking Old Trafford down. You know, this is... Manchester United is not the club that we think it is. It's vile in its representation of what it should be. And that's not our fault.

47:06We love the club, but what they've done to the club... We're not a very light club in the world of football anymore. all uh i was gonna get away kit 100 % not anymore this is okay i went it's funny actually november the first a lot of people start thinking about christmas seb was on about his christmas list the other day and i said don't put anything man united on it i know it's only a small thing but don't put anything man united on it if you want a barcelona kit i'll get you a but if you want a brighton kit no but i said don't put anything man united on it i'm not i'm not i'm not spending money on man united and i'm not i'm not telling people to do that you know i don't actually think that works.

47:41Don't buy Man United stuff, this, that and the other. I'm just not putting a pound in to their pockets on my own singular protest. I refuse to put money into something that is being run this badly at the moment. Talk about the horse says Capri. What horse? Luke, thanks for your super chat. Ruff and Joe, welcome to the Members Club. thank you very much keeping Carrick saves money and saves face says Alex Ten Hag just talked about United at Dutch ESPN he nailed it at the problem says me away fans applauding Carrick shocked me no I think you've got to be very careful with that because what we don't want to do is end up in a situation where we're arguing amongst ourselves because that helps the Glazers it helps Ineos away fans will predominantly clap the manager and clap the players regardless of the situation and there's not a problem with that.

48:42If you were Emery, would you come? Toxic club from top to bottom, says Big Z. Well, I'd like to try and get him, but I don't think we will. Do you think Glynios are relaxed about not getting Champions League football because they're counting on Man City compensation from 1-1-5? Suits them perfectly, says Guy. Help me with this dilemma. Even if the appointment of a new coach is acceptable to me, does that mean the board has it right, says A.M.? It's a good point. Look, I believe Carrick needs to be sacked. But if Carrick gets sacked, then, and it's Eddie Howe, I think it's a massive mistake. Just on the poll, by the way, we've had nearly 10 ,000 votes.

49:19Carrick in, Carrick out. 75 % are Carrick out, 25 % are Carrick in. I mean, this is incredible to me. It's incredible to me that a quarter of people who voted want to keep Carrick and yet nobody can tell us why. what what are this you know i don't care if it's 50 50 i don't i really don't care what i don't know is why 25 of you want to keep him because nobody will tell us now we have got 20 000 people watching not everyone will be a man united fan so i would say a good 12 and a half percent of that are probably rival fans if i'm being completely honest but there's no justifiable reason. Came all the way from Wales for the Chelsea game, miles away.

50:05Carrick needs to go and everyone at the top, says Brad. Relegation is a must for the owners to leave, says Razzler. Isn't incompetence? I'm certain this is on purpose, says Manny. Remember this day, just need to get through these tough times and when we do, we get a great coach out of this, get ourselves on our tetas as breaking. Constantine says, the players' morale are the lowest I've ever seen. I don't think Carrick is picking the players up enough. The basics continue to be missed. It's a simple game after all. I think it's a great comment, Constantine. I mean, look, people talk about Lissandro Martinez.

50:33That was indiscipline from a frustrated player. The Morgan Rodgers foul and yellow card was deliberate. It was just frustration. The way he behaved on the corner was just reckless. That comes down to coaching as well, because I should be able to pick up on that and not pick him. We played Aidan Hebbin and Masraoui as centre-backs a few months ago and won at Chelsea. I don't need to pick Martinez. In fact, in many ways, I said it before the game, Martinez and Maguire in a back four actually concern me because there's no pace. I didn't need to pick Martinez. So, all right, Martinez is at fault. Who picked him?

51:14This is a guy that's been dropped recently. Has had to apologise for saying something publicly. Why was Martinez even in the team? He's not even playing very well. so and how is Carrick not speaking to his players enough to realize that Martinez is volatile so that's not very good man management to be to not be able to put you know Bruno was shit yesterday like and he's been shit for weeks like are we not speaking to Bruno and trying to find out what what the issue is like if you had a manager like Sir Alex or a Harry Redknapp they're not really renowned for coaching on the coaching pitch. It's all about man management and mood.

51:54I look at that Man United side and, you know, Ahmad's tweeting positivity on the pitch. He lacks conviction. He was having these conversations with Ahmad about his lack of goals and his lack of assists. Where's the mentality coaching? Harry Maguire in that second half yesterday looked fed up, looked like he was going to get a yellow card, a red card at one point, the players lack composure. You know, whether it's a player that's clearly playing for the manager or a player that you think's not. Deleuze will always play for this club and he'll always give everything. Carrick loves him. He plays him every single minute.

52:37Deleuze does not look composed. He looks disheveled. He looks lost. So let's not mix it up. You might have villains in the team that you don't like, like Martinez, but even the players that are playing for Carrick look lost.

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54:36The team is just, the team is lost. It doesn't look confident. It doesn't look happy. And even if we were to win a game, I don't think that switch changes. Like, look at Cunha. I mean, look, we probably do it on the 8 o 'clock show, but look at Cunha. Cunha's like a shell of himself. And even if we win a game, I don't think, I just think it's a short, you know, winning a game can't mask the fact that we're not coached well and we're not fit. I think we're good enough to win a game at some point, but I don't think it will be a light switch. which we go on, win 10 games in a row. I don't think we're capable of that.

55:15The fitness levels are shocking. Seven points in nine Premier League games. How on earth isn't Carrick to blame, says Desiree. Marlowe says, fresh start after Leeds. Best training session ever. I honestly think Carrick's been really disrespectful to her fans. We're not idiots. Yeah, I'll never dislike Carrick. I loved him as a player. Don't know him as a person. But, you know, I know people who do and they speak very, very highly of him. but I don't buy the bullshit of it's not his fault and I don't buy the bullshit that he's not protecting the enemy of this football club which is the owners and the board.

55:53He's protecting them and he's talking shit in press conferences. You're right. He's either really thick which I don't think he is or he's talking shit and I think he's talking shit. Why do you keep telling us that they're training well? Why do you keep telling us that it's a fresh start? I think he's just protecting those people above him to stay in a job. What will be the financial loss if we get relegated? That is the realistic loss estimate. I can't talk about relegation, Anil, because I really don't think we'll get relegated. And I don't know what the financial loss would be. We're in the position if we win or draw, it's a long-term loss over the next two games, says Atif.

56:33I know people who want us to lose to Roma and Villa just so he goes in the international break. I think we have to lose to both Roma and Villa for him to go. I think if he gets one win or even a draw, they might stick with him. Sure. Look, I know some people are predicting we'll lose to Roma and Villa. I think I wouldn't be surprised if we didn't lose again. Maybe we get two draws, maybe a win and a draw. But and then he will stay. I think it's gone. He's gone in the international break. Whatever happens, it's why he's so calm now, as he knows in the last week of his reign, says Big Urn. What is minimum points to avoid relegation?

57:05Says Zero Connection. They will wait for Nagelsmann to go to Juventus, then Sal Howe to the fans as the only option available. Conceded 13 goals, scored three in the last six. Says Mick. These players have failed multiple managers. We will be back saying the next manager out, says Vex. This team needs a disciplinarian and there is a disciplinarian out there. Seeing Amrim transforming Milan is so painful. I really rated him, says Nev. Yeah, they beat Inter Milan 3-1, didn't they? Rajaf says, I'm absolutely disgusted with the former players, media and newspapers in the difference treatment between Amrim and Carrick.

57:36Pep Seaman says, He is not the only one to blame. Seems to be an argument. Naive. Carlo says Luke Shaw must be Ricky's grandson. There's no other logical explanation. Mikael says stop buying United tickets and merch. Force change. Andreas says we celebrate being embarrassed. We stay silent instead of protesting and we drove out our rebuild manager. We deserve all of it every single second. Marlo's back again. He says I agree with your carrot criticism, but don't agree that we have a top five squad. Casemiro and Bruno in form papered over massive cracks as Marlo. yeah but what I'm saying is Marlow I wouldn't even argue with that what I'm saying is we're definitely better than where we are and that to me comes down to that Roma won 5-2 yesterday they've not lost the game all season they're the highest scorers in Serie A and there are points off the top

58:29I must admit supporting since 74 I've never felt so depressed as Tony with the team. At halftime, Alonso managed to carry it, didn't he? Says Stephen. Oh, he just switched his team and destroyed him, yeah. There's a fine balance in having the best away fans. Bored would have breathed a sigh of relief with yesterday's scenes. Doesn't feel like a crisis, says Jay. No, you're right, Jay. This is what I mean about being numb. At the moment, United are the worst they've been in my life. It's the worst start to the season they've had in my life. And it's okay. And it's never been okay. Throughout my whole life, if United were doing badly, it wasn't okay.

59:04If Sir Alex Ferguson lost three games in a row, it wasn't okay. You know, it wasn't okay for Ruben Amrim to draw against Leeds last year at Ellen Road. But now it's okay to be total shit. It's really hard for fans at the moment. Very simple criteria. Does Carrick have the capability to win a Premier League or a Champions League? No, he doesn't. Get rid, says Andron. Hey there, thanks for being a member. My eyeballs itch, says Carrick, out obviously but this song is really fun to sing we'll miss that it's carrot you know hard to believe it's not skulls uh vex says it's the manager's job to enforce it but it's on the owners of the players to manage their own fitness uh no it's not vex it's on the no no no it's definitely not where in pre-season herzler and his coaches will work on fitness for the for the start of the season and the season and they will top it up through the season.

1:00:01It's not Ineos' job to get the players fit and it's not the players' job to get themselves fit. They're paid money to turn up for work and be trained. They aren't playing for the fans, not just Carrick, says Dan. Look how good Roma are this season and Palace are above us, says Pistol. Watchers not get Champions League football playing one game a week next year, winning a couple of games and the fans will go, ooh, we're back, says Anders. Where's the protest? Baffling, we're just watching, says Coach. how can Carrick look at the last nine results and not resign he's an United legend where our standards and pride keen would resign says Rajaf Amrim's body language didn't help Carrick's a yes man a Brit hence different treatment it's frustration versus pity says Big Z it was sackable to sack Amrim four points from fourth says Kyle overlap stick to United content is brilliant says Big Z cheers and congratulations just a shame United can't get any good results appreciate that look in relation to protests and everything I'm telling you now Wilcox and Barada at Stamford Bridge yesterday were relaxed because when United lose and they've got one win from nine they watch the team and the manager walk to the away fans and be applauded and what they see there is a shield and that shield is Michael Carrick there is no protest and anger and frustration because Michael Carrick is the calmer he calms the fan base because he's a legend of the club so it doesn't matter how bad it is as long as Michael Carrick keeps fronting up there is this sympathy and pity that quells and dilutes any anger and frustration if Jason Wilcox was the manager the shit would be hitting the fan but because Carrick's there he shields the blame and calms the anger because he's a legend of the club.

1:01:58It's a masterclass by the Glazers and Ineos. And they did it with Oli as well. You know, it was never, under Oli, it never got toxic and it will never get toxic under Carrick. Under Ten Hag, it got toxic. There's people outside Old Trafford calling him a bold fraud. Under Amrim, it got toxic. People were calling him names as well. But under Oli and under Carrick, it won't. And this is why they want to keep this manager because he shields them and it calms the anger. I mean, there should be protests. Games should be being cancelled. There should be people not spending money. There should be people, you know...

1:02:37This is the worst we've ever been. But the fan base is numb. It's not angry. It's numb. They've made being shit okay. I'm not angry. I'm not emotional. I'm just numb. But I've figured out why. Because there's this guy who's responsible that we like. And we don't really want to say anything bad. And it shields everything else. Anyway, thank you for everybody. You've been my therapy this morning. I'm live on Overlap Daily for Liverpool Arsenal. I mean, Liverpool can go 11 points ahead of us today if they win. We could be 11 points off fifth if Liverpool win. 11 points. 11 points and we've not even played 10 games.

1:03:26How can you be 12 points behind Brighton after nine games? That's got to be some sort of record. It's mad.

1:03:37Thank you so much for tuning in. I've really enjoyed it this morning. I need this conversation because it's just, I'm just baffled. I'm absolutely baffled and confused and numb to the fact that this is the worst we've ever been. and people are like, it's fine. It's fine. Take care. We're back at eight on this channel. Make sure you smash like and subscribe. I'll speak to you on in a bit.

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