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2:02Hello everybody, welcome to the United Stands. I'm Mark Goldbridge. This is your latest Manchester United news. I hope you're doing very well. Big revelations coming in from the second part of Eric Ten Hag's interview today that in many ways, Well, I find it shocking. I'm sure you will as well. I would still say it's very balanced. We'll delve into that, of course. But yeah, I mean, look, it just blows the doors off on what's going on at Man United with Ineos in the sense that Eric Ten Hag basically talking about the data and how Ineos are running their data, how they're making decisions, how they don't listen to managers.

2:39We've heard this from Amirim, of course. He also spoke about the influence of ex-players. And I don't necessarily agree with all of it, but I saw a clip from Simon Jordan on TalkSport yesterday saying that it was a self-serving interview from Eric Ten Hag. But we live in a world, Simon, where most interviews are self-serving. I mean, come on. You know, is it self-serving when you go on TalkSport four times a week? You know, is it self-serving when I go live at 10 o 'clock every day for the United Stand? is it self-serving when someone goes on the Graham Norton show when they've got a book or a film out?

3:10I mean, come on, when people do interviews, most of the time it's self-serving. Whether it's a charity or whatever, interviews are self-serving. They're very, very, very rarely not self-serving. Doesn't mean they're not true. We can't just dismiss an interview as self-serving. Like, I don't agree with some of the things Ten Hag said in this new bit of stuff that's come out, and I'll tell you that. But I also am very interested in some of the other stuff he said because it goes hand in hand with the failure we're seeing on the pitch. And I think ultimately the thing I would say that jumps out at me that's absolutely shocking is how Eric Ten Hag basically said that when INEOS came in, they wouldn't listen.

3:50They wouldn't listen on signings. They wouldn't listen on data. They wouldn't listen on training. they have their own ideas and even referenced you know that's fine if it's cycling or petrochemicals or F1 but there's a lot I knew from Ajax who are one of the best teams in Europe when it comes to data and they wouldn't listen so that just shows you the stubbornness and that's Eric Ten Hag as a manager we've got a head coach now with no experience so basically I'm sat there this morning going okay whether you like Eric Ten Hag or you dislike Eric Ten Hag he came from a background it's a football club where their data is incredible I mean I was at a tournament in Amsterdam at the weekend with Seb's team Ajax were there they won the tournament their A team and B team played each other in the final and there's Feyenoord Manchester City there's all these teams there and Ajax had two teams and they played each other in the final so the the data that Ten Hag would have worked with at Ajax would be some of the best in Europe and the club don't want to listen to him because they want to get a guy from F1 in or a guy, they've got a proper review going in from Brailsford who used to work in cycling.

4:59This makes it really, really difficult for someone like Michael Carrick who's got no data. He's got no experience. So what I'm saying is, if you've got Ten Hag or Amrim or Mourinho or whoever at Man United, they've obviously got a load of experience but they won't get listened to. At United, we've got an inexperienced coach who won't get listened to. So he's basically beholden to the plan of Ineos, which anyone's going to fail under, aren't they? So we'll delve into some of that. But where I want to start off this morning was, and you should be watching Overlap Daily on the Overlap Daily channel, formerly known as That's Football, every day at four o 'clock.

5:32I thought the Gerrard show on Monday was brilliant again. But Ashley Young was on yesterday with Kelly Cates and he was talking about some of the Ten Hag stuff. Check out the full video, of course, but I'm going to tell you the bit I liked. I mean he basically said Martinez was faking injury if you want to go and watch it I'm not going to talk about that but unless somebody asked me to but what I did want to talk about he played under Conte I think he played under Conte at Inter Milan and he said that Conte replacing Carrick would be a disaster and I listen when people have played for managers and he didn't say that Conte would be a disaster at Man United because he's a disaster as a manager he said Conte would be a disaster at Manchester United when you've got a team with such low running stats Conte makes you run every bloody day so you can't put a manager that makes a team run with a team that doesn't want to run and he said it would be a disaster because when he played with under Conte you know sometimes it would be double training sessions a lot of 11 v 11 games in training, which doesn't happen a lot.

6:39If you lose a game, three or four hours after a game, he's slowing things down, going through it analytically. And basically, he's just saying this would not suit the Man United we know. Like, people don't want to run. People want to get home early from training. People want to get home after a game. So he wouldn't, Conte, in Ashley Young's opinion, wouldn't actually work at Man United. But does that not show that he should be the manager, though? I mean, I'm sat there going, Ashley Young presents an evidence-based fact that Conte wouldn't fit with this squad. But doesn't that show you the problem at Manchester United that this squad doesn't work?

7:17It doesn't work unless you do the Ranić thing of open heart surgery. And that's the problem with Man United. We've got clowns running the circus at the top and lazy people in the dressing room who won't run. So yes, Conte probably would struggle because it's all right bringing a manager in but if the players don't want to work for that manager they end up downing tools and we've seen that time and time again it's a mess it's a mess at Man United but of course it is match day it is Como there has been talk of the game being cancelled by the way I think we're quite confident that won't happen torrential rain everywhere at the moment it's been raining here a lot but we're not at Lake Como but apparently it's going to rain a lot so there's been talk about that but I think it will go ahead absolutely fine but it's going to be an interesting game certainly I'm looking forward to it remember it's a 5 45 kickoff UK time so don't get caught out by that and we will absolutely be here for that talking of which just a couple of things before I delve into what we're talking about this morning I'm sure you're gonna have a lot to say on it the tickets for our next live show our live shows have been brilliant over the years.

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9:54Thank you very much. Okay, let's delve into some of the Ten Hag stuff, because he's had a pop at ex-players, criticising the players. He said he wanted to keep Amrabat. He said the US tour killed us, which is an interesting thing about being fit. He spoke about Mainu. He spoke about why they bought Anthony, and it was Sancho's fault. But I want to start off... Oh, actually, I've just got to start off with Pratt of the day, and it's not Rio. Rio Ferdinand, you can have a day off. You're not Pratt of the day. Robert McCormack says, I've promoted the tour more than you. I didn't realise it was out, the tickets were out.

10:26I knew they were on the member section, Robert, but I didn't realise the tickets were out for public consumption. So I need to get some actually in myself. But look, I want to talk about this. Pratt of the day is Andy Goldstein on TalkSport. It was basically a Pratt 365 every year anyway. But I got sent this clip last night and I thought, I'm not going to let this go because normally I don't really give a toss. but I think this is really important. So he was on radio yesterday. I mean, he shouldn't be on the radio, really. He's crap. But the point is, him and Darren Pent were talking about the Ten Hag interview and he said, I think it's out of order.

11:02I think you should sign an NDA and not be allowed to talk about the club. Andy, he literally did sign an NDA. It's over. The NDA is the non-disclosure agreement where you don't talk about the club for a certain period of time. Nobody is signing an NDA forever. he was sacked two years ago. So it's the end of his NDA. He said nothing for two years and now he can speak. That's how it works, you prats. He should sign an NDA and he shouldn't speak about the club. Andy, when did Tenard get sacked? Two years ago. Why do you think he's not spoken for two years? Busy. No, it's called an NDA. And I don't think...

11:45Postacoglu with Spurs obviously had a 12-month one because he did the overlap, didn't he? but two years is quite a long one. So yeah, some people don't understand NDAs as Laura says, yes. Yeah, you know, ridiculous. So that, you know, look, Eric Ten Hag has got every right to say what he said. It's been two years. In another year, Amrion will say what he said. Mourinho did it as well. Oli did it. Van Haal did it. But they're never going to speak for the first year or two because they will be under an NDA. And they should speak about it, to be honest with you. They've got reputations of their own to uphold.

12:18So I've got no problem with it. What I do have a problem with is just very quickly is when he says that we signed Anthony because Sancho didn't want to play on the right wing. I think that Ten Hag's interview is a mixed bag. I think there's some really interesting niche stuff in there that I want to talk about, about the data and about, you know, going on the US tour, because I think that impacts us every year. But the transfer stuff, I just don't really buy into because there's so many moving parts on a transfer. and the fact that he wanted to keep Amra Batten-McTominay, you were going to get the sack, mate.

12:52That wasn't going to stop you getting the sack. So I don't agree with that. And the fact that we spent 90 million euros on Anthony because Sancho didn't want to play on the right wing, I don't agree with that either. I think that's weak. You know, if Jadon Sancho says two weeks before the end of the transfer window, I don't want to play on the right wing and you have to go and spend 90 million pounds on Anthony, you've messed up. Somebody should have spoke to Sancho before that. Jadon Sancho shouldn't have that power. So I think those sort of things are melodramatic nonsense, if I'm being completely honest.

13:23But look, where I want to do, where I really want to talk about is this data bit, because I found this really interesting. So, well, let me start off with this. Ten Hag said, there's seven things where I judge a player that I want to play for my team. Technical ability is the most important thing. Second is game intelligence. Third, you need athleticism and then lifestyle. Determination, resilience and robustness, okay? I find that very interesting that a manager has those tick boxes. And I think it's a good thing, right? Problem is, and we're going to talk about the data, but the seven points that Ten Hag judges a player on, it's a lot.

14:15technical ability, intelligence, athleticism, lifestyle, determination, resilience and robustness. I can't think of a player at Man United that's got that maybe apart from Bruno. Technical ability, intelligence, athleticism, lifestyle, determination, resilience, robustness. I mean, it's almost Bruno Fernandes in an identity kit. And I think if we had 11 Bruno Fernandeses who played different positions, like a right back, left back, we'd probably be fine. But Ten Hag was there for two and a bit years. Anthony doesn't have those things. Amrabat didn't have those things. De Ligt didn't have those things.

14:56Masraoui didn't have those things. Like, certainly the players that he kept at the club, Harry Maguire, Luke Shaw, didn't have those things. So something's gone massively, massively wrong there, hasn't it? Because if there are the seven things you judge a player on, and he says judge a player, it doesn't mean they have to have them all, then it does make you think if Ten Hag had been given players with those things, we'd probably be in a better situation. And I think this is something that rings true just to bring Amrim in for a moment. And I know a lot of you don't like Amrim, but let's not forget, Ruben Amrim never got bought a midfielder.

15:30When Ruben Amrim came into the club, I think if we'd ran a poll, most people would have said we need to rebuild the midfield. Man United never bought him a midfielder. so if I'm Lewis Hamilton and I sign up for Mercedes and they build me a car and I get in it and there's no steering wheel I'm like it's a fast car in a straight line but I can't win this race could have got a turn you know and Amarin quite rightly got a lot of criticism but I would still say not giving him a midfield is always going to fail. Where I think Man Utd have let themselves down for 15 years is lifestyle. And I've been clipped up in the past because I spoke about people like Elise and Neto and I got clipped up for it.

16:14And look, Elise has gone on to be one of the best players in the world. I didn't scout Elise and I didn't scout Neto. What I said was Neto is married and settles. And I don't know about Elise. I can't remember what I said at the time. Maybe I said, I don't think he is. So, but my point wasn't Elise versus Neto because Alise has become one of the best players in the world and Neto hasn't. My point was, I know football. If you watch the Steve Bruce interview yesterday, loads of people have absolutely loved it. I'm going to sit and watch it tonight after the match with a lovely cup of hot chocolate and maybe a couple of biscuits because I haven't watched it since I recorded it and loads of people have said it's really good.

16:54But a lot of people said I was very impressed with how you could talk to Steve about 1994. 94 and I was like but I was 14 I remember the 94 team is one of my favorite teams um and I remember it um and a lot of you of that age will remember it and those who don't remember it you're very unfortunate because 94 team was bloody brilliant and it was full of leaders but my point is who built that team Sir Alex Ferguson I've spoken to people like Paul Ince and Steve Bruce and he said it on the interview and Sir Alex Ferguson was very interested in the background of players Now you say it in 2024 when I said it about Elise Annetto and people are clipping it up saying, you know, coming out with all sorts of crap.

17:34I think some people even said racism, which is just ridiculous. My point was, I grew up with a team that was very successful and one of the big things Sir Alex Ferguson was interested in, and Wes Brown said it as well, was lifestyle. What are you like off the pitch? What's your family like? What are your friends like? Are you in a relationship? I'm from that era. sorry some of us are I think I think I think for me your lifestyle is very important very very important I mean we never really heard much about Erling Haaland or De Bruyne did we and they're two of the best players the Premier League's had in the last decade doesn't mean you can't be a party boy and you know play the field or whatever or you know not want to get tied down and want to be out at parties and wrestling and whatever but it's important and I think you know lifestyle for me is something that United have missed out on and it's not just about going out to the clubs or whatever they're called in is it China White in Manchester I know some of the players frequent that it's also about wanting to get home not wanting to put extra work in being late for training football not being your priority that's the lifestyle thing for me and I think that's something where United have gone very very wrong in the last certainly the last decade I absolutely agree with Ten Hag that technical ability is important.

18:55You know, you look at someone like Scott McTominay, probably had the lifestyle, probably had the determination, probably had the resilience, probably had the athleticism, but for me, didn't have the game intelligence and the technical ability. So you need the technical ability and you need the game intelligence. But I absolutely think we failed massively on recruitment of what I call Man United players. You know, I look at someone like Elliot Anderson. The reason I kept going on about Elliot Anderson is I think he reminds me of Roy Keane, Brian Robson in relation to can he hit those heights as a player?

19:28Maybe. But he is the player that Man United should have bought. Elliot Anderson would have been revolutionary for that. Lots of people saying rest in peace about Tony. I haven't even looked at the live chat so I don't know what's going on here um and there's nothing in the comments either so uh I don't know what people are talking about in relation to Tony um so yeah we'll just keep ignoring that um let's carry on um it shows the problem the players are not good enough says Christian uh rest in peace sir Bobby Charlton absolute legend uh it's also my birthday today must win the game says James uh thank you to Robert McCormack welcome to members says Club James, thank you very much for getting your badge in.

20:12Glynios are a hindrance, can't wait for them to sell up. A steady decline over 13 years is horrendous. And Carrick is out of his depth, but is there a point in replacing him with another manager when we all know the same cycle will continue, says Samuel. And we bought Amrabat as a centre midfielder, then played him left back and started judging him as a left back. Same thing with Scott, Tom, and we are doing the same with Kunya now. Let's be honest. If you have a cat, you've probably wondered what your house smells like before guests walk in. Thankfully, Arm & Hammer Cat Litter helps take that worry off your plate.

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22:29Thank you very much.

22:36okay people are getting confused about Tony I think we'll just carry on um right let me talk about the data because this is where I was meant to start the show we're 20 minutes in so I think this is across the two interviews that have been released about Ten Hag I think this is the thing to take away the most I think this is the niche point that many people will miss I'm not interested in the Ronaldo stuff I'm not interested in the Manu stuff I'm not interested in the Amrabat stuff. I'm not really interested in anything else because I think that could be, you know, you could look at it both ways.

23:08What I am here to discuss, and I think the seven points about judging a player is important because you know what? You go through that Man United squad, how many of them fit? Lifestyle, technical ability, intelligence, robustness, athleticism, resilience. Not many. Not many do. Even Mainu, who's a player I like, is not robust and resilient. He's injured a lot at the moment. So, you know, even players that I think can be part of our future. Is Dorgou resilient? No, he's always injured. Is Manu resilient? He's always injured. Is Ahmad intelligent enough on the pitch at the moment? No, he's not contributing enough on the pitch.

23:46He's not getting goals. He's not getting assists. Bruno, how long can it continue? New signings, it's way too early to judge. De Ligt, I really like, but he's been out for a year, so you can't call him robust. Same with Martinez. So we fail on those seven points a lot. But look, he spoke about the data. I found this very interesting. This is a direct quote from Ten Hag. He says, data has changed the whole world. And with AI, it's coming even more. And every organization has to take data on board. I think United missed some aspects. The moment I came in, they were only just starting with data. For For instance, data was already a long time at Ajax.

24:29And remember, Ten Hag had spent years at Ajax. So data was something that Ten Hag knew about. And when he came to Man United, they didn't really know it at all. He said, a manager should get all information. You need others in a club to collect it and make everything ready to make final decisions. Top organizations innovate continually and they're actually driving the innovations. I offered my knowledge and abilities to Ineos to help them to construct, but they were of the opinion that they knew already everything. They were convinced of the philosophy, the strategy and the work methods, but they came from petrochemicals, Formula One, cycling.

25:09Top football demands something totally different. So essentially, and I think this is scary because Ten Hag was sacked two years ago. So if Ten Hag had been sacked a week ago and said this, I'd say, well, let's wait and see. Let's wait and see. It's only early days of Ineos. But two years ago, Eric Ten Hag was sacked, which means over two years ago, he said to Man United, I know a lot about football data. I've been at Ajax. This is the things we should be looking at. And Ineos said, no, we know what we're doing. two years later who do you think it was right because it's clearly ten hog ten hog with all his experience at ajax wanted to be involved in how we accumulated data and inios said no we know what we're doing two years later do they know what they're doing and that's that's the biggest mic drop from the ten hog interview and people will dwell on ronaldo and stuff like that but this is why I love this community because we delve into areas and we find things that actually are more important.

26:20Man United have got seven points from 21 and they've just had a bad transfer window and they're playing bad football and they've just given the job to an inexperienced recruitment team so that the board can play God, right? They don't know what they're doing. The transfer window could have been driven by data and it wasn't. The team we have now could be driven by data and performing better and it's not ultimately somebody with huge experience at Ajax was told we don't need your information because we know what we're doing and the people that know what they're doing are basically a company that did well at cycling has done well in petrochemicals recruited people from formula one destroyed nice has wasted hundreds of millions of pounds on managers and players and we're shit.

27:14They don't know what they're doing, but they are the worst kind of people. They think they know what they're doing and they're not willing to listen to anybody else. And that is, for me, the biggest point of Ten Hag's interview is the fact that he wanted to be listened to. He wanted to help. And they said, no, we know what we're doing. I want to keep Amrabat and McTominay. No, we know what we're doing. Now, I don't think he's right about Amrabat and McTominay, but I do think he's right about the data because United's pathway over the last two years has been shit. I'd rather we weren't using data than know the reality that we are and we're ignoring it.

27:55So I agree with that comment that somebody said, sacking Carrick and bringing another manager in won't change the cycle. it's hard to see the cycle changing when people at the top are making such horrific decisions I mean look, obviously Conte is better than Carrick obviously Nagelsmann is better than Carrick obviously Emery is better than Carrick so you would have an improvement but there would be a ceiling at some point of failure because it's madness, it's absolutely madness and it's scary it's scary because we have a match tonight and I want us to win but do you feel if Man United, when their next three games, were back?

28:35Or do you think it's just a temporary easement of the pain before it returns? It's like an illness, isn't it? It's like having a bad back. I have a bad back. Some days you wake up, it's really bad. Some days you wake up and you don't notice it, and you go, I haven't noticed it today. But you know it's going to come back. You know it's not cured because you haven't been given a new back. Like it's a problem. It's wear and tear. It's deterioration. There's a reason you have those symptoms. And I haven't done anything that's going to make those symptoms go away. I'm just having not a bad day. This is what worries me about Man United is that so much gets focused in on Carrick and he can do better.

29:18But overarchingly, he's just a puppet. And I am going to call Carrick a puppet because Ten Hag was clearly a puppet. And what Ten Hag has exposed is that as a manager of Man United or a head coach, you are a fucking puppet. It's not offensive. Every time Carrick talks now, you know, you may as well call him Kermit because he's a... Oh, no, that's a Muppet. Who's a puppet? May as well call him... Who's a famous puppet?

29:48I can't think. Sweep. Sweep. Yeah, you may as well call him Sweep because the point... Or Sutton. says Kev. Because that's what you are. If Eric Ten Hag is saying, I wasn't listened to on players, I wasn't listened to on data, it's terrifying. Eric Ten Hag wasn't listened to on players or data. So Carrick's not being listened to at all. So you are just a puppet to this shit show, you know? Acorn says, Is this the lowest point? there seems to be no way out of this cycle well i don't think there is mate i think that's the problem isn't it like you know you can't succeed when you have no power he could be called gordon the gopher harrick the gopher um had two back surgeries in six years am i man united says digger i'm getting married on halloween and it's my birthday on friday i love the streams please please wish me luck and a happy birthday from australia says king dazza well happy birthday for Friday mate and well I'm not going to wish you luck on your marriage I mean if you're going into a marriage you know hoping for luck unless you've not met your other half in which case good luck you should be marrying the right person and I'm going to say congratulations instead.

31:07Mull says everything gets pushed down the road for true Ten Hag complain about discipline Amrim cleaned it up Amrim complained about players Carrick gets new midfield says Muller thank you very much for that and Amrin will give an interview next year, maybe carry it the year after. The cycle won't end while the same people are at the top. That's the sad truth, says John. Yeah, but you know what I mean? I think sometimes these things can get missed and I just want to double down on this. When a manager has been at a football club where they are elite at data and data is how you train, how you prepare, how you recruit, how you move people on, how you play.

31:44So data encompasses all of that, right? it can be finding the next Caicedo. It can be finding the next 31-year-old who's free that would give you three years. It can be how to beat Brentford. Data encompasses so many things. It's not just a word. When you have a manager that's been at one of the best clubs in the world in relation to data, and let's not forget Ajax's data would revolve around playing attractive football, recruiting players around the world at very good prices who go on to be very, very good players. So those two things to me, if I'm Sir Jim Radcliffe, would be, I want to listen to this guy.

32:23I know we're building our own data, but I want to listen to this guy because Ajax are brilliant at recruiting. They're brilliant at developing and they have a distinctive, attractive style of play. I want to listen to Ten Hag. We might not take everything he says on board, but I do want to listen to him. Man United said, nah, it's all in hand. To listen to a guy from the Formula One, petrochemicals and cycling. I mean, that to me is terrifying that they didn't want to listen. And they clearly didn't want to listen to Amrim. They think they know what they're doing, but who have we got? Nobody has any United DNA on the board.

33:05Wilcox is from Southampton. Barada's from Man City. Sir Jim Radcliffe is from bloody France. we're not listening to football people we're listening to ourselves this won't change this won't change is the robustness managed out of players says Gavin Ten Hag didn't want to listen to Ranić either he thought he knew best as well and didn't want to work with him completely different Deco but completely correct but completely different Mourinho didn't want to listen to Van Gaal and tried to get rid of most of Van Gaal players Ten Hag didn't want to listen to Ranić absolutely but Mourinho is one of the greatest managers that's ever been.

33:45Ten Hag had been successful at Ajax. It's not unusual for managers not to want to listen to the manager that they've replaced. It's not unusual for a manager to replace a manager and say, I can't believe how unfit these players are. That's not unusual. What's unusual is people buying a football club with no experience in football and not listening to football people who are actually the manager of the club. That's completely different. Managers are stubborn. Managers won't listen to the previous manager absolutely not they should do they should learn from them but they don't but owners of a football club saying we don't want to listen to football people is is mad um if you're the best carpenter in the world and you're given blunt tools you can't you're not going to make good furniture says uh ginger thank you very much for that okay but look just just let's let's go a little bit topical here because uh there was something again that might be missed a little bit niche um so basically uh amirim sorry tenag was talking about um the um pre-season tour of the u.s um and i don't know what year he was talking about well i've got it here uh 23 24 so what are we 23 24 24, 25 was when he got sicked, sick, sacked.

35:02And 25, 26 is now, no, no, I don't know. 24, 25, 25, whatever, right? He basically said, we went on tour to the US. We covered more than 20 ,000 miles across the United States and we were exhausted. We started in New York. We played in Houston, then LA before heading home. We gave them a few days rest. then we couldn't do any proper tactical and physical work for 10 days because they were completely worn out. We were never in shape that season. Now, I think this is really interesting in relation to where we are now because Ten Hag basically said we were never fit because of the tour. What's the excuse this season?

35:43I leave Ten Hag there. I think that's very interesting that the demands of a tour can destroy your pre-season for money. We go to the US for money. We'll probably go to the US next year. We never go to Asia anymore. We never go to South Africa. We very rarely do Europe. We go to the US because the Glazers like money and Sir Jim Radcliffe likes money. And there's a manager saying it doesn't do you any good preparing for the season. You know, we were never fit.

36:15But we didn't go to the US this summer. we went round Europe and we're the most unfit we've ever been why? why? if a previous manager like Ten Haag can say look we struggled for fitness that season because of the US Tour exhausting us and it stopped us preparing for the season properly it's a valid excuse what's the valid excuse? why are Man United not fit this season? and it comes back to the same thing for whatever reason ever since he's been at the football club Michael Carrick has reduced training. He's let them go home earlier. He hasn't focused on running. I just don't get why. Look, I understand the facts.

37:01I understand the facts that we're bottom of the running leagues and we're not very fit, but I don't understand why we've prepped this. As I said to you a couple of weeks ago, if I was a current serving player, I'd be so angry. I'd be so angry because it's like being a boxer. It's like Tyson Fury against AJ in December, isn't it, right? Who's going to win? I think Tyson Fury wins, right? Some people think AJ's going to win. But imagine one of them trains for that fight 100 % for the next six weeks, right? The other one, the coach says, we're not going to start training until three weeks out. Eat what you like.

37:38Enjoy yourself, right? And then with three weeks out, we're just going to time it. We're not going to go intense. we're just going to, I don't think you need to, right? You get into the boxing ring and within four rounds, you're knackered and you're beaten. And you come off and you go, all right, I've lost. The whole world's seen me lose that fight. But he was fitter than me. He was stronger than me because he trained better than me and I didn't. You're going to be pissed off with your coach, aren't you? You're going to go, hold on a minute. Right. Maybe he would have beat me anyway, but he was fitter than me.

38:11You could see that. And that's because of your training. And I think as a current player, they've got every right to say that. You know, Harry Maguire doesn't set his training regime. Bruno Fernandes doesn't set his training regime. You're only as fit as the coach allows you to be. And for whatever reason, our preparation for this season, fitness-wise, is abysmal and it does impact your performance. Absolutely. If a manager says you're running for a week and a manager says we're not doing any running, you won't like the one who wants you to make your run, but you'd be a lot fitter as a player.

38:46And I just don't think it, I don't think it gets the exposure it should do. Personally, I think if this was Ten Hag or Amerim, the ex-player community wouldn't shut up about it. But because it's Carrick and he's a mate, they won't talk about it. But I think this is a huge thing. I mean, look at how obsessed they were about Amerim's formation. They're obsessed with Amerim's formation. but he played that formation at sporting we're not fit and nobody really talks about it and and it amazes me uh and what's the excuse what is the excuse um we spoke about amber barrett we spoke oh ex-players okay i want to talk about this very very quickly and i'll get into some of your comments so i mean look i i would file this under bollocks i think this is like the world's smallest violin playing here because i fall into this category as well so Ten Hag was asked about the external noise from ex-players I mean what a surprise that he gets asked that by an old school journalist who's fearful of his job and future journalists have always been worse than ex-players I'm worse than ex-players I don't know why ex-players get so much focus on them for being negative about Man United but look this is what Ten Hag said ex-players want to protect their legacy um you know there could be more love from them but a lot of people criticize the things they love the most um but the players did get annoyed by it and it does affect them um i think i think too many people make a big issue out of this didn't this wasn't this an issue before, a few weeks ago?

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41:59Maybe it was the back end of last season. Might have been Nicky Butt or someone like that. They got a load of shit from the fan base for talking out. I don't have a massive problem with players being critical of Man United because we're shit. I mean, hello, slow sports news. We've been shit for over 10 years. So if an ex-player comes out and says we're shit, I don't think it's an ex-player protecting their legacy. I think it's an ex-player saying we're shit. If we were second in the league, five points behind Arsenal, and we lose to Hull, and an ex-player comes out and he's ridiculously negative, I'd say, hold on a minute, we're playing good football.

42:46We're five points off the top. It's disappointing to lose, but come on. But we're shit. So I don't have a problem with any ex-players really going in on United. What I do have a problem with is the ex-players that don't go in on United to feather their own nest financially. They're the players, you know, I have ex-players I have a problem with. The ex-players that glaze the glazes for money. I have a problem with them. But the interesting thing for me is because we heard it from Ameren. We heard it from Oli. and now we're hearing it from Ten Hag, is that current players get influenced and annoyed by ex-players talking in the media.

43:31And I just, I find that incredible because when you speak to people or you listen to people like Roy Keane or Paul Ince or Wayne Rooney or Gary Neville or David Beckham or Ryan Giggs, I think journalism was quite harsh 20 years ago because there was no internet you know Graham Taylor had half of his head replaced with a turnip when he lost the game for England as England manager so I don't think criticism of players is any worse I mean papers like the Sun used to have millions and millions of papers sold every day one journalist was like a god you know if you said that player was shit, millions of people read it.

44:14So it's nothing new. And United used to have a siege mentality. I think basically it goes back to what we were talking about, robustness, intelligence, lifestyle, technical ability. We've got too many players at Man United that aren't Man United players. And if we've got players that are influenced or affected by an ex-player saying something negative about them, then they're not Man United players. I mean, if I was in that Man United dressing room and we'd had seven points from 21 and I looked at a tweet or a clip of Nicky Butt or Gary Neville saying something negative about me. And I went, oh, why are they saying what?

44:55I can't believe it. What? Oh, it's going to make me play bad at the weekend. I've got no confidence. Who are you? Who are you? Come on. Look at your performance. Look in the mirror. Look at your performance. performance, look at the team's performance, look at the criticism and ask yourself, is it unfair? And if that criticism is unfair, maybe you've got a point. But if that criticism is fair, you've got to deal with that criticism. It's a lesson for us all. It's a lesson for us all, isn't it? If you get criticised and it's legit, it's not very nice, but the only person who can deal with that is the person looking back in the mirror, right?

45:40This is where United go wrong. They're shit and then they can't deal with being told they're shit. I'm sure someone like Luke Shaw doesn't like the criticism. And I use Luke Shaw because Luke Shaw's a player that I think three or four years ago was one of the best left backs in the world. Three or four years ago, I used to with people calling him fat, and I'd say that's ridiculous. They'd say shit, I'd say that's ridiculous. But I sort of gave up, checked out on Luke Shaw a couple of years ago when he wasn't fit before the Euros, and he wasn't fit after the Euros, because he prioritised his own personal endeavour for England over Man United, and that was me checking out.

46:23Now, Luke Shaw can have a problem with that, but, you know, maybe one day in the future when he retires, he might come on, stick to United and I'll have that chat with him if he wants to have it. But that is a very simple reason why I haven't got a lot of time for Luke Shaw anymore. That's fair criticism. I also don't think you're anywhere near the level you were three or four years ago and you should have been sold. That's fair criticism. Now, if Luke Shaw is rattled by that, and I'm not saying he is, it's just an example, then he doesn't have the resilience, the robustness and intelligence to be a Man United player.

47:00and that's what I mean. I think a lot of people in modern society think you can't criticise people. You can. You can overstep the line and you should apologise for that but you can criticise people and it sounds to me like we have a very weak, weak dressing room. How are you today, Mark? I feel a lot better today. My only problem is my throat is just a bit... Well, you can hear it, can't you? But I feel a lot better than I did last night. So, yeah, I've just got to try and rest the vocal cords now. But look, the good thing about Como is it's quarter to six and then we're all done by eight o 'clock and I can go and have a bit of rest and get some more sleep.

47:41So good, but I feel a lot better, thank you. There's a lot of it going around. Most of our bloody, most of the people who went on the tour at the weekend, you know, there's loads of messages coming in that people are ill. So a lot of it going around at the moment.

47:59but I've been quite lucky I've only had it for I got it on Sunday night well started the Simpsons on Sunday night Monday didn't feel great yesterday was probably worse today I feel a lot better so I can deal with that I can deal with that but if you are one of the many sick people at the moment rest up it's always important don't keep pushing yourself you need to rest did Ten Hag want Anthony or did the board rush it says he definitely wanted him he definitely wanted him I thought that was weak from Ten Hag speaking about Anthony because, you know, he still wanted him. Would you kiss a guy for Glazers to be out, says Chicken?

48:37I mean, it would be amazing content, but I don't think I've ever been asked that before. Would I kiss a guy if the Glazers left? Well, what about Sir Jim Radcliffe? Is he going as well? Do you have to kiss two? Mark, I understand that. I mean, look, if you're asking, I'm not answering the question. It's like the Toblerone. Mark, I understand that sacking Carrick will restart the cycle, but knowing the owners will never go isn't hoping for a miracle and a new manager better. Yeah, yeah, look, Jay, this is what I was sort of saying. People who say there's no point in sacking Carrick because the ownership is going to sink us forever.

49:14Fair point, I completely agree. But Carrick's not a great coach at the moment. And seven points from 21 is crap. Would we have seven points from 21 with Conte or Nagalsman or Emery. No, we'd have a lot more points. We've had a very easy start to the season. So of course I would, I'm not saying there's no point sacking Carrick because of the owners. There becomes a point where Carrick needs to be sacked, of course. I don't know if I'm completely sold on data. I'm more old fashioned, but it's crazy they don't even entertain it since Constantine. Look, I'm old school as well, but you do have to, you know, data is very important.

49:50Like, you know, and it encompasses so much. like recruitment, injuries, opponents, scouting, youth development. There is so much. There is so much that data is important for, and it can make your job a lot easier. And Brighton have been the forefront for it for a long time. I've told you this story so many times. I was down in London doing a show with Ben Foster at some podcasting, and we went for a drink afterwards, and there was a few people from football there. and I was speaking to this guy at Arsenal who was a data analyst and I'm very interested in it and I said to him like, you know, tell me and he said, look, the bottom line is Brighton are two years ahead of everybody and in two years time, they won't have stood still so Brighton, I mean, I've not spoken to anybody about this for about three and a half years but that was what I was told and that was from someone at Arsenal.

50:54So, you know, it sounds like how we run our data as a team. And look, in fairness to the people at United, and I will say this, the data in the summer around recruitment will have said Mateus Fernandes, Cermini, Elliot Anderson. Let's leave it at that. It probably also said Lewis Hall, if we're being honest. But we know for a fact the data said Mateus Fernandes, Elliot Anderson, Chimini, right? Whether that data's right or wrong, if you ignore that data, what's the point? So not only could you question how United accumulate their data, we also ignore it. And this is what I mean about stubbornness.

51:43Ten Haags there saying, at Ajax they did this and this and this. I don't care, we're doing it our way. We know what we're doing. They clearly don't know what they're doing. but okay we're using our data in their data circle somebody says Mateus Fernandez Elliot Anderson well we can't afford them so we're ignoring experience data from IACS and how that works for our own data and then we're ignoring our own data and that happened in the summer we're not even following it because we to spend on it. So we end up going, I mean, let's be honest, where was Santos, Balaba and Tillemans in our data? I don't think any of them were in our top 10.

52:27I think Balaba was a year before. I don't think he was this year. I certainly don't think Santos was and I don't think Tillemans was. So we don't even follow our own data. Bruno wanted out before and surely leaves this summer. He's fed up with the lack of ambition. We needed open heart surgery. Now we're flatlining, says big Z. Yeah, I've heard stuff about Bruno not signing a new contract. I mean, I think he'd be mad to sign a new contract, to be honest. I'd love him to sign a new contract. I know a lot of you don't want him to sign a new contract, and I know he's not been very good this season, but he's the only player that actually ticks the boxes of what we need.

53:00And I think we become weaker without him, as scary as that sounds. But I think he'd be mad to sign a new contract, yeah. The only sign of optimism is that maybe when those old contracts end, we will use their wages to rebuild the team. Matches end of Carrick's contracts, says Kiel.

53:19Do you think there's a reason United had 150 million to spend? Are we holding money back or do we seriously not have any? This is Jay. I think we're trying to build a stadium, mate. I think we're trying to build a stadium. BRT says, I'd kiss the whole community if we can get these owners out. We can grab a pint afterwards, says BRT. Rachel, welcome to the Members Club. Thank you very much for getting your badge in. Don't forget to check out our extra content. Do you think the robustness has been managed out of the players, says Gavin, who has been a member for 40 months and has got a lovely badge?

53:50I'm still intrigued by how these badges work in the members section because Gabriel has an amazing black and gold badge, but Gavin has a white and black badge, like Kelvin in plays as well. It must be based on how long you've been a member, but I mean, look at that one from Lee Capetown. He's been a member for 34 months and he's got a red and black badge. And BRT's got a yellow and black badge. I'm captivated by the badges. But no, I think Gavin's point is very good. Is the robustness managed out of players? I know what you're saying. You're basically saying, is it possible to be robust, intelligent, have the right lifestyle, have the right technical ability, determination at Man United?

54:40Or does it get managed out of you? For example, most players that we sign are good and end up becoming bad. It's almost like they get infected by the failure. Kunja, Embermo, Sesko. So many players get worse at Man United, so does it get managed out of them? Do we buy players that potentially could be good players, but we manage it out of them? Well, yes, because who at Man United knows the United way? Who makes decisions? Sir Jim Radcliffe doesn't. The Glazers don't. Barada doesn't. Wilcox doesn't. There's nobody in that club. And this is why I keep saying it. There should be somebody on the board who knows the United way and not Rio fucking Ferdinand, because he's just a Glazer.

55:25Like, you know, he's proven what he's all about. But there should be maybe a Nicky Butt there, who was in the club. There should be some... It doesn't need to be Gary Neville or David Beckham. It doesn't need to be a big name. It just needs to be somebody that knows Man United, on the board, driving the culture. I'm not talking about the manager. The manager's a head coach now, but you need somebody in a position of power. A bit like Spandasar was at Ajax, whether it's technical director, whatever. There needs to be somebody on that board. I mean, people who watched the Steve Bruce thing yesterday said put Steve Bruce on there.

56:03He talks a lot of sense. But look, the reality is somebody needs to be on that board who is intelligent and, you know, will drive the United way and won't just be a Glazer puppet. So, you know, we're never going to achieve that. Is Como Carrick's final chance? I don't think he'll go if we lose, Dan. if that's what you're asking. Our players are getting injured because they're trying to match opponents on the pitch and they're not fit enough, says Lee. Well, that's probably true. If you're not fit enough and you're trying to match people who are fitter than you, then you're pushing your body. And it's a great point, Lee.

56:38And I don't know whether you've got a background in sports science, but our players definitely aren't fit enough. And when you're asking them to go up against teams that are fitter than them, they're going to push the limits, go into the red zone and get injured. Absolutely. If anyone's played football manager or FC 27, absolutely spot on. we will be picking up a lot of injuries now because we weren't prepared for the season and now we're pushing players into the red zone. Absolutely. If we're running five kilometres less than most other Premier League teams after every game to try and get near them you've got to go beyond your fitness levels and you get injured.

57:11Would you put Rooney in? No, because then he'd leave stick to United. Come on, we've got to be selfish. United bought four goalkeepers. Are we on holiday in pre-season, says Arnold? Thank you very much. Okay, we're going to red, black badge equals two years, yellow for four years, says Kiel. Well, you've got a nice badge, Kiel. The scary thing is he will probably be here after the next international break. He's too nonchalant after these results. Oh, 100 % Jid. I don't see Carrick going anytime soon. I really don't. Thank you, everybody. Don't forget, two things. Three things, actually. Kickoff is at 5.45 today, which means I'll be live just after five, and Countdown to Kickoff will be live around half three, four.

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58:22I'll see you later. I'm going to rest my throat and get ready for hopefully a win for Man United later. Take care. Stay safe. I'll speak to you in a bit.

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