Liverpool Must Beat Man Utd & When Wayne Met 50 Cent

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0:59and performance of the grid on the open road. Cadillac V-Series, distinctive luxury performance, engineered to thrill. Discover the V-Series line-up at cadillac.com. We had a chance late on. I can't remember who it was. And I was desperate for us not to score because I just wanted my goal to be the goal. So there's me, a chained example. And Colleen said she's walked in and I'm trying to rearrange his song. For him to say he's going to pass the story, he started well. You just hope that if he has a few bad games, that environment is wrong. As we're walking on, 50 Cent's walked off. So we're just on the stage, me and Rio.

1:39Like, what's going on here? The time is here. This weekend is Liverpool versus Manchester United. We're all back together again. So we're going to discuss that big game, which you were feeling quite confident about a week or so ago. Not necessarily confident. I said it's a good time to play them. I don't think we'd win. Backtrack, backtrack. No, no, no. Roll the tapes. Get a HMRC guy for the look of. We have also got a Liverpool fan and musician Jamie Webster with us, so we'll discuss that fixture in a bit more detail very shortly. But Wayne, you've been busy, haven't you, last week or so? Do you want to fill us in on what you've been up to?

2:13Yeah, no. Cleans organised an early surprise birthday celebration for me, so I thought I was going to the local pub with about 16 of his friends and so we met at my house and then we were going to go to the pub which was 10 minutes away and then three helicopters turned up Casual as you do and took us to the lakes and the cottonwoods for three nights Come on, you're not just giving us that I've heard that it wasn't just a civilised few drinks No, it was great One night was a fancy dress Who were you? Go on I was Freddie Mercury Talk us through the full outfit go on The outfit I was high heels black leather skirt Sounds lovely Skin tight t-shirt tucked in Oh wine What an image that is And a hoover So I was walking around this hoover like but my feet were intact I could actually walk in heels Good at walking in heels are you?

3:19There's a corner of the internet asking for photos of your feet after this yeah so and Colleen actually slipped in her heels and broke her foot sorry your wife broke her foot on your birthday she needs to learn how to work there's not much sympathy there is there sign of a good party that though no it was great and we had different bands on coming out singing and performing and stuff and I got up obviously as I always do quite a few times you like a sing song don't you yeah but yeah no it was good good fun and I'm going to wish for anything better really you know there's a lot of lyrics off by a heart the other day he was rapping a bunch of lyrics to me what's your go to song go to song for karaoke or with a band or whatever what did you perform this weekend as well well I obviously don't behave me in raps do you yeah it's not an easy vocal to talk a lot it's tough do anything really do yours now and again it's like I was hoping you'd say that to be honest well talk us through what else you did oh actually sorry it is it's me and my monkey by Roy Williams what a tune what is that I have no idea I've never heard of that I was hoping you can you give me no worth a try yeah that's where we both do song no it was a complete surprise I had no idea so no it was it was lovely lovely few days okay what have you been up to okay how's your tour been going just been working I'm like I'm like I'm tired I've been up has it all been downhill hill since we were in the audience yeah absolutely yeah no audience matches up to you guys in there so yeah that's awkward because i did do a question of sports as well last night sorry just throwing that in not the question of no at the school so i agreed to that before i knew i was doing the three days obviously because that was a surprise i'd agreed to do question of sports at the school kids school which was me and jimmy and anderson was um captains um and we had a pupil from the school a parent and I think some representative of the school on each team.

5:24How did you do? Not great. We got beat. But the questions where we lost it really were a lot easier for this team than man. When he's not here to defend himself that's quite an easy thing to say. I said it last night as well. No it was good fun and raised some money for charity as well. That's the most important thing. it was good other news that's coming out this week just to kind of catch us up on some of the big football stories been a good week for England qualified for the World Cup just a quick word on what you've made of them under Thomas Tuchel and how it's gone so far yeah I think gradually getting better I only see in the second half last night obviously I was doing the question of sport and I watched the second half but I was really impressed with the tempo they moved the ball a lot of things sometimes in them games and it was 3-0 when I started watching and in them games they can get a bit slow and boring and even like hard to watch at times do no fault of the England team but just that's how the games go but I thought last night the tempo was really good they kept the ball moving at a good speed one or two touches and looked really impressive so yeah I've been really pleased it's been a gradual improvement and you know it gives us something now to look forward to be interested in what he does next month with the squad but So, yeah, I think it's moving in the right direction.

6:48It certainly looks like they've made a good team culture there at England. I know it's something they were doing under Gareth Southgate as well, but Thomas Tuchel sent a clear message out, didn't he, really, with this squad announcement? Yeah, I mean, it's starting to look like a Thomas Tuchel team as well. But, I mean, a lot's said about atmosphere and stuff as well, but you've seen title winning sides before where players didn't even speak to each other. I just think sometimes that can get over-egged a bit, I think. As long as the football's great on the pitch, I don't care if they like each other or not off the field, if I'm being honest with you, I just want to see England win games.

7:18Yeah, and they're doing that at the moment and not even conceding any goals, which is quite nice, isn't it? A word on Marcus Rashford as well, because I wonder what you made of, he talked about an inconsistent environment being to blame for some of his patchy form in recent years. Oh, big sigh from Wayne. What did you make of that? Yeah, well, obviously, I think the environment hasn't been right. I spoke about this a few weeks ago but that's down to yourself like if you're not playing well and you're not having a good game or you get left out of the team then you know I think it's easy to blame the environment and whether that's right or wrong and whatever I think that becomes how you apply yourself how you're you know in games we've seen it with Marcus where we know we can do more we know we can run more that's not to do with the environment so I think it's an easy one and for him to say he's gone to Barstow he started well and then you just hope if he has a few bad games then he starts saying that environment is wrong and I might be wrong here but I really like Marcus as a lad as a person but I think that's an easy one to throw at people It's good to see him back playing at his best I think Thomas Thomas Thomas Tuchel's spoken about what a player there is in there, he's seen it himself as well There was one point in the match I think where he ran back to try and track back and I was like oh that's what we need more of and we need players doing other people's work as well sometimes pressing for each other and doing that sort of stuff because if they know somebody else is going to do it for them they'll do it for somebody else and I think when a team works together like that but I just want to see I want to see some more flair players in there I want to see people like Relish back in the side Yeah, but that's where, I think that's what Sufjol's done really well.

9:09You know, and he's been brave with the decisions he's made and the players he's left out the squad. Yeah, what did you make of that? Because he kind of, Jude Bellingham, for example, apparently wanted to be in the squad and Tuchel said, no, you're not feeling it quite right. Yeah, well, he's gone with the squad, which he's done well in the previous get-together. And I think that's why you're seeing Harry Kane as pressing more. Pressing harder, you're seeing players running back because they'd be thinking, you know what, if I don't, I might be out the squad next month. My favourite thing that I saw over the international break was a quote from Jermaine Defoe.

9:39Did you see this one? So he said, when we were in South Africa for the 2010 World Cup, I think he must have been asked about what you got up to at World Cups. He said, I remember one night I was bored, so me and Wayne Mooney sat in his room and watched his whole wedding on DVD. Yeah, we did. I don't know the reason why, because, again, this was me singing. So because I was single at Westlife. At your wedding? Yeah, so I was telling them to get together before and I was saying I was good, I was half decent. Can you actually sing? Are we going to discover that you've actually got a hidden talent?

10:14No, so I was telling them the trip before. So for this trip I brought the DVD, it was when it was DVDs then. I brought the DVD with me to put it on and then we ended up just watching the whole DVD. So just the two of you, paint me a picture, just the two of you sitting in your hotel room, there wasn't like a queue of no one else wanted to sit and watch it with you it just does too yeah Jamie wants to say go on I've got a wedding video as well I quite enjoy watching my wedding video it was a boss night it was all your best people there all partying until whatever time in the morning and obviously marrying my wife as well it's just a sign I just married your wife she happens to turn off it was boss I proper enjoyed watching my wedding video I don't think there's too much wrong with it do you think if you played for England you'd take it away on instruction I was never, ever going to play for England, was I?

11:03Well, if you're going away with your mates, would you take it to watch with them? Probably not on a year-hour way with Liverpool, no. But, you know, if I wasn't a singer and my mates wanted to see me sing and there was a video of me playing with Westlife, you know, maybe Westlife wouldn't be my choice, but you know what I mean? If you have sang with Westlife, you know, and you'd be like, go ahead, no, you haven't. Yeah, I suppose you need proof, don't you? It would come out, wouldn't it, like that? I just love the fact that you remembered from the last England captain and then you've written it down like yeah toothbrush winning video do you know what I actually can't even watch I need to get it moved off the DVD I don't know how to do it oh yeah someone will be able to set that out for you someone can do that yeah if you know how to help Wayne Rooney with that do let us know let's talk about Liverpool vs Manchester United then Jamie oh big sigh from you as well well I agree with Kate probably I said as soon as I come in and see Wayne this morning I said it's probably a good time to play you know off the back of three straight defeats I don't think that's happened under slot and obviously an international break you've got players coming I'm not just saying most Premier League players but you know you've got players coming from all parts of the world back they're never fresh I think some of our players do struggle when they come back from international breaks players like McAllister and stuff like that you know I back Liverpool and Anfield but I think this it's a derby isn't it it's our second derby with Perlman United I think form goes out the window it doesn't it doesn't really matter I think it comes down to who wants to fight more on the day and early on in the season we've showed a bit of fight but over the last few weeks I mean I went to Crystal Palace and then Galatasaray and it seemed like the fight was all done at the start of the season like the last three games you know losing in the last minute to Palace and Chelsea that's something what we're used to doing and when the table's saying on you that you can see the effect it's got on the players coming off the pitch and I'm up look it's only a couple of losses and still think we'll have a good season this season but I don't I'd rather play someone else than Man United I prefer that Old Trafford I think going to Anfield you know in any situation regardless of whether Liverpool have lost a few games we used to have it when Liverpool weren't even challenging for the title and you're going and you're like Dirk Heiter and Stevie and these players, and they're pressing high and the crowds are up at Anfield.

13:31And it was horrible. It was a horrible place to go. And I think just with Liverpool losing three games, I think that pride kicks in. And the fans will know. The Liverpool fans are not stupid. They'll know and they'll get behind the team and push them. So for United, I think, going there, if United can come away with a point, I think that'd be huge. I think I'm still like, I've got like childhood trauma from the United teams that used to come to Anfield when I was a kid like Fergie's United ruined my childhood as a football fan you know what I mean it's like I remember Diego Fallon one of the you know I think he's done it a couple of times at Anfield but I remember one of my first games at Pearl United and I think it was due to the second goal we made the slip with one of the and then it was an absolute screamer the next goal and that was a very early apprenticeship It was a nice one from Raphael as well.

14:25Yeah. We've had a few as well, by the way. No, but that generation of Liverpool, of Man United coming to Liverpool and Arsenal as well, you know, they were the teams who we wanted to be as good as, but we weren't quite as good as at the time. And I think a lot of lads from my generation have probably got that PTSD almost of United coming, even no matter. I've still got PTSD for the last couple of seasons though. Yeah, yeah. My brother's first time at Old Trafford was when we won 5-0 under Klopp. He's 10 years younger than me, our kids, and he started coming to A-Games with me. He looked at me like 3-0 and said, this doesn't happen to me.

15:06Enjoy this. We've had a few good, but then again, even in the last couple of years, the cup game, you know what I mean, where you turned it on. It's never, just what I'm saying, form doesn't matter in these games. I don't think, I think it's down to fight. I think even though I was saying it was a good time to play you guys, I do think sometimes international break can probably help lessen that momentum. You know, if you're losing a couple of games, having that breakaway sort of might help. Yeah, I think certainly for Liverpool, it'll definitely have helped Liverpool in just getting away from each other.

15:40Because when you lose a few games, two or three games in a row, you'd end up, you know, this is where you'd end up looking at a teammate saying, you know, do my head in. honestly you're doing and just having that time away from each other and the manager having that time away from the players can actually settle everything down and you have time to think you go away you're obviously with your national team but then you come back and no doubt the minute they're all back Schlott will have his team talk he knows exactly what he's going to say to galvanise them after the last few games where I think for United obviously winning the last game they would have loved the game to have come around as soon as possible.

16:23So for United, it's probably hampered United a bit. But going to Anfield, we used to go and before every game, we'd say don't mess around the ball to the back. First 30 minutes, putting the channels, turning. Because if you're there and you're playing little passes and the Liverpool team is sprinting after you and the crowd get up, it becomes so difficult to play them. I remember you scored on Anfield once and I was in the Kop. and some fella you never told me I was going to say some fella three goals behind me it was knocking a 33-10 and it was like weren't that far away from you to be fair was that a first time or a second time no that was my first ever game for United at Anfield they'd be 1-1 numb and I've scored the Cop and I've whistled past me past me head whatever but and then to be honest after that I had I think I only scored once again in Anfield.

17:19Was it the one where the half volley? Yeah, they come off the bar and I scored under Van Gaal that was. We won 1-0 but other than that I don't think I even played well in Anfield. Scored a few goals at Old Trafford but it was just such an emotional place for me to go and a hard place for me to go and perform. You see when you're doing that to the Kop? What is going through your head? Because obviously they're shouting dogs at least at you. What are you thinking? Did you feed off of it? Oh yeah. It was the Felton top of the world, I don't imagine. No, because obviously I'd left Everton to go to United and my first game in Anfield for United.

17:57And I scored with 1-0 up, obviously. Doing that and you've got like a bit of a struttle about you then. And then we had a chance late on, I can't remember who it was. And I was desperate for us not to score because I just wanted my goal to be the goal. I won the game. So I was desperate for us not to score, to stay 1-0. and um after the game obviously walking out and again on the bus and i literally went um got by another rocket by queen we got there and i got off then and then i went to clean's one dad um in i think it might still be in crockett so i got off on by the rocket and then took state in liftpool and then i think went for food and then and just have banter and stuff and whatever.

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19:22How does this derby compare to, because obviously you've played Liverpool-Everton as well, how does Liverpool-Man United compare? I think the Liverpool-United one is, it's more deep hatred. I think. I think Everton and Liverpool, because it's your family and Liverpool fans, and so it's not hated, but it's a rivalry where I think United and Liverpool are more deep, deep haters. Yeah, I think local bragging rights, local pride, you know, going on the building sites and having a laugh at you, making sure you work with all the, being able to, it lasts a week, two weeks, do you know what I mean? And then the minute Liverpool lose a game again, Everton fans are down there, throw the minute Everton fans, you know.

20:06But I think over the years, Liverpool and Everton's got a little bit more bitter because of the success that Liverpool have had and it's become rightly so that I was in Evertonian and I'm watching be best mates having all it you would you would have a bit of a bit in between your teeth but with Liverpool and Man United I think we're the two most successful clubs in English history Liverpool the most successful still as it stands but you know it's got that that element to it Man United have got I think the cities Liverpool and Manchester people are so similar so I think that's a like where class starts with family so I think that adds to it as well similar cities similar culture but it's not the same when City play Liverpool no do you know what I mean you can say I just think the two clubs are just so different yeah I think with City it was more of a club versus Guardiola thing more than the actual two clubs City as a club City are nowhere near the size of Liverpool or Man United and now they've been very successful of late but you know there's different levels in terms of where the clubs are.

21:17But the thing is if a player plays for City and Liverpool it's not like a thing. No James Milner do you know what I mean? Well even at United Peter Schmeichel, Andy Cole, Mark Hughes managed City all gone over and played for Man City. Dennis Lord relegated by United. Yeah but I mean we've Well, yeah. But as in, like, you wouldn't get that with Liverpool United? Not now. You'd never get that with Liverpool United. No. It goes back to the rivalry between the cities as well with Liverpool and Manchester because of the ship canal and, you know, a lot of industry and Australia came down the road to Manchester once the canal was built and stuff like that.

21:55So it goes deeper than that. But I think that the closest person to a scout here is a man. It's just probably dress sense and accent. It's different, you know what I mean? and it is but I like it me I mean I get I'm definitely with you on the accent one as well yeah I get a I get a bit of a bit of grief off United fans when I meet them but then I play gigs in the Albert Hall in the Victoria Warehouse and stuff like that in Manchester I get great deceptions but you don't sing all Liverpool songs no I wouldn't I wouldn't I actually I had a mate who's like a big Liverpool fan and he knew a few nut job man United fans and they were meeting up at my gig in the old two Rits and I got a phone call saying, like, you promise you're not playing any Liverpool songs because these United fans are ready to kick off if you do.

22:46And I was like, no. It's too sad. I haven't sang Liverpool songs now for like five or six years. It was more of my way into the industry. It was something that happened by accident, really. I always wanted to be Bob Dylan. Before I wanted to be Jamie Carragher, but then I realised I couldn't shout loud enough or play well enough, do you know what I mean? but music was the next thing and I sort of come up at a time playing covers. Mo Salah's song really was what put me where it was but I was just playing songs by Ocean Colour, seeing James at gigs after Liverpool games with Salah that scored four nearly every time I play and Salah is na-na, la-la.

23:23You know, he had an album, to be honest, before that song went out and it went from there but I was always, I'm very grateful for what I've done with Liverpool but in my head to be playing writing songs about working class life and you know me tales from the building sites and me tales from mizzy night with me mates and stuff like that that was always what i wanted to be i wanted to be bob dylan i think it's brilliant when you um like i get goosebumps when seems like when molly comes out and she's got your song on and yeah and stuff like that i think that's really good where you've got scousers stick together and and then you like you get like Goosebumps watching it, stuff like that.

24:01That's where your music touches, obviously. Yeah, I've been lucky. I've had a load of people, like, at the start, like, you know, like, I'm not listening to that red so-and-so and this, that, the other, within the city. But then it's funny now, because, like, I had some, I had a fan messing around with me the other day, giving me grief, and I was like, do you know that, like, I'm probably more Pally with, like, some of your players and ex-players than you are? Do you know what I mean? Give me grief over it. I was like, Jack Grealish has got a weekend in paradise neon sign in his house downstairs in his bar do you know what I mean I've had chats with Nick Wayne and Snod and even some of the ex-players do you know what I mean I've had good days out with them all and it's funny because it's at one time in my life when I was such a staunch Liverpool fan home and away I couldn't possibly conceive sitting down with the likes of Wayne Jr.

24:51I used to see Wayne in the Bennets in Croquay by ours and in the Chinese and stuff like that around my starving and better behind me yeah and you used to have a convertible K.A. I remember getting out of it. I like K.A.'s famous now. After his BMX bike that you used to see him round on and I was never going to speak to him because I was that staunch of a Liverpool fan even though he grew up a minute down the road. My brother went to the same school as him. I've never... But now you realise when you get a bit older and you go out and see the world a little bit that I'm made up at Wayne's when I'm done everything he's done and other scousers as well who back me like Molly, big Everton fan.

25:26She's got a song of mine walking out. and I think that also ties into the Liverpool-Man United thing as well because we're so proud to be Scousers and United fans are so proud to be Mancs and Mancunians. It rubs together and I don't think... That's why it's the biggest game in English football, one of the biggest games in Wales football. Can I just ask a little bit more about how you two did get to know each other then? Because you obviously were crossing paths. At what point did you think, I'll talk to him now or did he talk to you? I followed him on Instagram and then I seen a like from him.

25:57when I was like, oh, yeah, Wayne's, Wayne's, didn't slide into it again. I was actually, I was actually, I'd talk to him any time. To be honest. I didn't realise he hated you. Oh no, I was a kid though, you know what I mean? I was like a young kid. He was throwing eggs at your house on the internet. Yeah, yeah, no, you never went in your own area, like, you know what I mean? You weren't that stupid, but, yeah, and then Colleen came to a gig in the summer, so it's the first time. Did she DM you in second time? I first got a message to send, a message of good luck from Crochie to when she was on the jungle.

26:31And like, my wife's like a massive fan of Colleen. She loves her, like proper loves her. And like when Colleen was on the front of Vogue, she was like, I got a phone call. I was saying Colleen Rooney's on the front. I noticed that. Again, about scousers, being proud for other scousers. And she come down with the kids and the nephews and to her gig in the summer. It was nice. I dropped them off. and then I was meant to go and then I was looking at it and I was thinking if I'd have known you were a singer I probably would have called you before we came to paradise to be honest I actually got up years ago on stage with 50 Cent at the MEN years ago you're joking I played a festival with him in Glasgow this summer actually I think you mentioned that yeah I got up I think I was about 18 or something he's 50 now you know 50 Cent I played a festival in Glasgow this year was on the same stage as him and I've never seen an entourage like it yeah and it was that hot so we had like this business mate I know it's not Biggie but it's got amazing massive call him Biggie I see one of his security guards he was big enough like but they had like this you've probably been backstage at festivals and that normally like they have like a big hut for all the artists to it on like the main stage but then the headliner has their own compound like dead close to the stage but it was like july sweating and next thing i just keep seeing all these people running around and stealing fans and we had this like two big blow fans for the community and one of them got wheeled out and i was like where's all fans going mate like we're asking he was like our 50 cents requested every fan on site and uh there was just there I think about the people, not the actual fans.

28:14There was a young lad, bless him, he was like, I think he was like the one getting the pressure to get the fans and he was just like knocking on doors, any fans in here, mate? You know what I mean? It was mad, I can't wait to be that big one that hopefully I can demand all the fans. Well, I had backstage at Glastonbury. We stayed in Warnham Lakes. Oh, yeah. So we stayed at Warnham Lakes and then when we went over, so I can't remember who was on, Coldplay were on. and walking around I was desperate for the toilet and I think oh man so I've gone in the toilet and the toilet has to be absolutely horrendous the worst I've ever seen and then anyway I got to speak to Marcus Mumford so I went back into the artist area right next to the pyramid stage and I've only got my own Winnie Bagel there which I had no idea so I seen one with Rooney on I was like who's his dad?

29:08you thought that's yours this is on the last day as well so you've been there the whole weekend I've been there the whole weekend yeah and I had no idea I've been squatting down in the toilet I'm an artist and I have to dig tunnels to get into that bit you know what I mean I have to honestly go I was going down to the toilet getting lost everywhere they have me over on there and like with a dead nice toilet as well yeah and air con and all of that yeah what did you do on stage with Fifty yeah can we go back to that I'll go back to that what song was it just you how does this come about so they just asked we'll be going on stage and he'll just who's we?

29:40it was me and Rio oh ok they asked we'll be going on stage so we're obviously thinking he's just going to say oh we've got Man United players and whatever so anyway we've got yeah no problem I think we both had a few drinks as well so we've got to the stage so before we've gone on he gives us a mic each I'm thinking what's happening here so then as we're walking on 50 Cent walked off so we're just on the stage me and Rio like what is going on here so we're like so obviously so then so then I've just gone oh you know what doesn't matter so I've gone to the front and I've just gone cha cha cha to you you know oh mate I was just thinking what and then Rio was just stood there like did everyone go mad when you said to you yeah Yeah, it was probably the best thing you could have shown.

30:36Absolutely. And then the rest of it was just a blur. Yeah, no, it was mad. So you've done everything that you could possibly do in football. And even now me as a singer sat on the couch, you've done more than I've done in singing as well. Nice one, lad. Gary McAllister, I was on a show with Gary McAllister, and someone said, who's the most famous person you've sang with to me? Like, out of music. And I was like, ah, Tim Booth maybe from James. what about you, Gary? Like, who's the most famous player you've played with or the biggest personality you've played with? You've played with a lot of great players, too many to mention, but being on stage in Madison Square Garden with Rod Stewart, and I was like, you know what I mean?

31:18How'd you beat that? Yeah, I've never got the best story in any room. I'll have to stop coming on these podcasts. Have you got any good, I feel like you're the actual, you're a performer as well. There was one night where I was opening for Mo Gilligan and backstage was Stormzy Skepta and Example. That was a nice green room. It was just a bit mad though. I was just like, sort of started. Did you speak to them? Yeah, I spoke to them. I still chat to Example now. Do you? Yeah, I still chat to them. He sends me pictures of his house in Australia and stuff. I've got another one with Example in there.

31:51Go on then. So I went to watch Ed Sheeran play in Manchester. So after the concert, we've gone back to the pub and Ed's got his guitar. so then I said right so I was getting up for the next song of course you were so then I've gone back he's walked off so we've gone back and we're in this little kitchen in this pub so there's me and she and an example and Colleen said she's walked in to say what you're doing and I'm trying to rearrange a song

32:26and she said it was one of the funniest things and she had an example and you're there like rearranging oh it was hilarious but yeah I would like to know now that come out you could have a career as a producer as well no I love music absolutely love it followed it's been to me before used to follow Cast Around Travers Oasis when I was younger went to so many different concerts watching them and it's weird me 12 year old now all the music he's into is all like from the 90s. Really? And I haven't pushed him into it. It's amazing. It's weird, yeah. Like in his room now, he's got all Art of Monkey.

33:07But that must come from you without you even realising because you've got quite an eclectic music taste. Yeah, I don't know. He's just into it. Then he's into all the dance music from the 90s. Right. Just banging out fat boy slimmers. Imagine. Mini Raver. I feel like the Scrooge of the podcast bringing it back round to Liverpool Man United. I don't know how we... How have we gone from... Don't think anyone wants to talk about the scenes just a minute that's what it is I don't know how we've gone from Liverpool United to you rearranging songs for Ed Sheeran an example that's quite the story but bringing it back round to who is the pressure most on for this I think I think it's got to be Ruben Ammer more than anybody I think no I think I think Liverpool definitely do you think I think I think every every game for United is massive scrutiny.

33:59Jim Ratcliffe's come out and said that in these three years, doesn't he? He doesn't believe that. He just says that. Of course he's going to say that because you have to say that as an owner of a club. You're giving a guy three years, but come on, if he loses five games on the trot now, he's going to be gone by Christmas. I think the pressure for this game, I think purely because I don't think United fans will be, I don't think they'll be expecting three points in this game where in other games they are. I think they'll go in saying, if we can get a point we'll be happy with that where I think if for Liverpool if Liverpool lose four games in a row and they lose to Man United at Anfield I think the pressure is definitely on Liverpool for this game I think if we lose to Man United I think people will start talking about us then as like oh well it's not their season this season I think we get writ off personally but like whether it's right or wrong I think pundits papers will will write Liverpool off if we lose to Man United after the fourth game on the bounce, essentially.