Man Utd's Big Win, Maguire’s Redemption & Should Isak Be Dropped?

0:00This BBC podcast is supported by ads outside the UK. The ultimate cookout starts with the ultimate ingredients. At Whole Foods Market, no antibiotics ever, burgers and kebabs are prepped and ready to throw on the grill. Fire up a juicy ribeye, grab creamy potato salad and savoury flatbreads from the prepared foods department and round it all out with 365 brand condiments, chips and dips at everyday low prices. Whole Foods Market, make your summer sizzle.

0:59and performance of the grid on the open road. Cadillac V-Series, distinctive luxury performance, engineered to thrill. Discover the V-Series line-up at cadillac.com. I've questioned decisions, I've questioned tactics, I've questioned players' desire over this season and last season, and that win is massive. I think with Harry, I would really struggle to deal with what he's been through. You know, he was a meme. it was completely unfair and it was bullying he was getting you know bullied I wouldn't play his hat on performances and you know he doesn't deserve to be playing well well well it's happened to very happy people I'm pretty happy as well because you guys are happy on this show yeah never in doubt

1:48Kae Kurd:never in doubt you said it then you backtracked last week and now you're full of the joys I said it I didn't backtrack I just said it was a good time to face him. I didn't think we'd win. I was worried. I was worried, to be honest. But do you know what? I thought fair play to the manager because I think he got his tactics absolutely spot on. And I think bringing Harry Maguire in, I don't know whether that was through injury or had to. I said that a few weeks ago, he's such an important player for Manchester United. I know he got the winning goal, but his leadership qualities at Anfield, experience, it was 100 % the right decision and massive, massive call from him.

2:35And tactically, I thought Man United was spot on today. Do you agree, Kay?

2:39Kae Kurd:Yeah, I think he did, to his credit, Ruben Amorim has got a win at Anfield on his CV and that's going to do him the world of good going forward as well. I feel like Luke Shaw had a good game as well. He was tracking his runners and stuff. I was really impressed with him. When he's fit, Luke Shaw is a great player, but it's just the fitness element of it that's an issue with it. And it was great to see a golfer in Bumo. I think the fact that we didn't have an out-and-out striker starting at first really confused Van Dijk and their defence. He kept getting dragged out wide. One of his strengths is his positioning, but it felt like where you had Kirkez dealing with, I think it was Ahmad like he didn't know who to go to at any point in time and yeah it was great it was great to watch I thought Vantai for the first goal I thought he was really at fault it was similar to the the goal against Chelsea where he's he's gone for the initial header and I think he's even gone into the back of McAllister and then he didn't switch on quick enough and then Bumo I think he was five yards ahead of Mbumo and he switched off and then BMO's gone in behind him and we've seen that a lot this season from him and I think, I don't know if it's a bit of complacency after winning the Premier League title last season or what that is, but it's not something you really associate with Van Dijk and I think it's a few times this season now, so I think that's a bit of a concern for Liverpool, but taking that away from Man Utd, I think positionally, as you said then, Ahmed was causing problems, he was always in between, so Liverpool didn't know who to pick him up and I thought, as I said, tactically, with no striker it really worked and caused Liverpool big problems Yeah talk me through that goal Wayne and what you liked about it from Bumo because it did feel obviously it was important but given where he is in his Manchester United career as well Yeah well I think initially he's sandwiched in between McAllister and Van Dijk and Van Dijk comes through the back of him and hits and Bumo he hits McAllister but what we've seen is a great reaction he got up seeing the ball gone out wide and and he reacted and ran forward.

4:51And sometimes that sounds simple, but that's such a big attribute to have. He just ran forward in a straight line and Van Dijk didn't. He switched off and it was a great pass. Ahmed played the pass, great pass, and a lovely finish from. So for me, he's been my United standout player all season and he hasn't got his reward for his hard work and his sacrifice he's done for the team throughout the season. but I thought it was a great goal and I'll be honest, I was a bit sceptical when Manchester United signed and I didn't know whether he had the ability to come play for Man United but he's proved me wrong and I think he's been a great addition to the team and by far Man United's best player this season.

5:36Yeah, whatever he does now in a United shirt, K, doesn't matter does it because he's scored against Liverpool.

5:41Kae Kurd:Well, do you know what as well though? The thing is when you've got a player that's got that level of tenacity and never say die and runs after loose balls and keeps running and does what you need. For a Manchester United player, that should be the absolute bare minimum. Running around and showing that you care should be the absolute minimum. And he does that in abundance. And he's got a level of quality as well. You saw last season with the level of assists and goals he has. And now he's starting to put numbers on the board for United as well. I think he's going to be a fan favourite very soon.

6:13Yeah, that's such a huge win I think for the manager and listen, I've been one of them I've questioned decisions I've questioned tactics I've questioned players' desire over this season and last season and that win is massive to win at Anfield is not easy to do and to go there after international break I think the confidence that gives the players the manager and I'll be the first to say you know what he got it absolutely spot on so I just hope we see more of it

6:49Kae Kurd:I love the way Wayne's downplaying his excitement because before he came on he was like two points from Liverpool in the league no it is it is I can't believe you haven't mentioned that already to be honest yeah two points off Liverpool now but no I loved I really liked the performance and so we know the players can do it we have to see this on a consistent level and if we don't then that's why you know like myself or other pundits whatever we ask questions we know the players can do it now so don't switch off let's see this again and let's try and get that guy a haircut what's his name the guy who's won five wins in a row yeah that's what we need to see yeah he's not counting his chickens it's first back-to-back wins for Amarin but that in itself is big it's another milestone that Manchester United have hit a small one albeit but it's it's a small building box okay Yeah, look, back-to-back wins since not once have we had back-to-back wins since January.

7:45Kae Kurd:And that is massive. But doing it at Anfield, I think that's the significance. To go as a Manchester United manager and win at Anfield, it's like, that's not easily done, by the way. Like, Wayne will tell you that. That's like, it's huge as well. And what it's going to do for morale as well. But my only big fear with this team is, and we saw it last season, is that with the big games, the players can get up for it. You saw it last season as well. When it was bigger games, you did see performances like this. It's when it's against, not to be disrespectful, but lesser teams where they sometimes switch off or sometimes the intensity isn't there.

8:21Kae Kurd:They started the game with a lot of intensity today and they kept that. And there were still a few mistakes. But I mean, by the way, I just want to say the goalkeeper as well. How great is it having a goalkeeper where you don't even worry about him making mistakes? It was just like you don't even talk about him. And it was like, yeah, that's what you should be thinking with a goalkeeper. I don't want to talk about a goalkeeper, but it's such a change because he's actually safe at the back. So it's helped as well. But I just hope that, yeah. I think that the level of concentration the players show today is what they need to show in every game.

8:52That's how you become, you win things. That's how you become a good team. And you can't just switch it on at Anfield and then think, oh, you know, we're playing such a, whoever, Old Stafford. and let's be expansive and open and then get caught on the break and stuff. That level of conversation today is exactly what you need for every game. And if my guys do that, they have got good players, we know that. Then become a good team. Then become hard to beat. And then you go and say to Kunja, to Mbunmo, to Cesc, to them attacking lads, go and win us the game. Then that's why they get paid the most money.

9:31Go and win us the game. We'll keep us in the game. Go and win us the game. So I think it's a great start to this next race. And was it three or four games before the next international break, which seems crazy. Seems crazy. So the target now is let's go into that international break unbeaten. Let's pick up points. And then if they do that, Man United are in a great position going into that run of three or four months you'll have before the next international break. It's three fixtures before the next international break. Brighton at home, Nottingham Forest away, and Tottenham away. Manchester United, Ruben Amirim now, okay, has to build on that, as Wayne said.

10:11And there's an opportunity there, isn't there? Because I'm not saying it won't mean anything because it always means something to beat Liverpool, but it can't just be two wins in a row.

10:19Kae Kurd:No, absolutely not. But I think it's what Wayne mentioned there as well. It's the consistency that we want to see, the consistent level of performances. We're not asking for three points every game out of that run of four, but hopefully no losses. and we want to see that there's been changes and we're building on what we've seen at Anfield today. That's the most important thing. Otherwise, you know, it's just going to be the same as last season. But I'm actually feeling a little bit better than I have done in so many weeks where we've watched Manchester United. And that's a change. And I think when you're feeling positive like that, it's always a good thing.

10:57Kae Kurd:I didn't feel this positive after the Chelsea win, but today feels a little bit different. So I am happy. You get down, and the last few years, we spoke about it being tough, and you want, as a United fan, you want them to do well, and I was in here getting ready to go and watch it with my children. I'm out in Dubai, sorry, in case anyone didn't know. We should have talked about that at the top of the show, but we were all too excited about United. Yeah, I'm into Dubai with my family, but I'm getting ready. me nine-year-olds asking me what kit man united where and he's putting his is the white man i didn't actually know so i took a gamble i said i think it will be the white one and he's putting the white kit on and and then moments for the for for kids and um they're amazing that's what we want to see all the time and i want to see man united winning and winning games and and then hopefully eventually be able to to celebrate win a major trophy so um today i think as kay said we're all feeling a lot more positive and you know feeling better and I hope the manager goes home and I don't know if he likes a glass of wine but as a staff or his wife or whoever and as a glass of wine and probably says no all you pundits out there this one's for you I hope he does because he deserves it after today's win I think it's a massive win for him and you know against Sunderland you know people are talking if you lose the game he might lose his job and in fair play to him he's stuck in and he's dug in there and um you know things seem a little bit better so I'm really pleased for him.

12:29If he doesn't drink I don't know how he's got through the last year or so because surely he's needed a few stiff drinks at times with um some of the some of the stuff that's come his way and some of the Harry Maguire quotes by the way because I know both of you have spoken fondly about him he spoke after the game and he said it means everything they'd had the better of us over the last few years and it's not been good for our club. We've not given our fans enough days like today. So it's been a long time coming to this ground and picking up three points. It has been a long time, hasn't it, Wayne?

12:55You must remember the last time. Yeah. Lovely moments going to Anfield. Always nice. Scoring the winners. But that has been too long. 2016, yeah. I've seen a picture on Man United's Instagram today. I've done that. Like, it surprised me because I thought we had one there since then. but obviously not so yeah no listen Harry Maguire is for me today shows why he should be in the World Cup squad and I really mean that I think he's so important and I heard Jimmy Floyd Hassbank speaking about him his leadership in that England squad and you know how much of a leader he is and players look up to him and stuff exactly the same for Man United you know he could have completely down-tooled and wanted to leave the football club when he got the armband taken off him and that's not easy for any player and your self-pride takes a massive hit when that happens and for him to stick there and go into Port Brunel as captain and then not play every game, come on, the last 10 minutes of games and today come in and play really well again and show that leadership and he's a threat as well, set pieces are so important in football.

14:10So that's the reason I think for England, I'd certainly take him to the World Cup for that reason so I'm delighted for him and he's right you know I have family Liverpool fans a lot of friends who are Liverpool fans to have that I was going to ask how cool he was tonight is she's okay she's not too much but I'm sure Jamie Webster as we spoke to last time is very down right now so which I'm very pleased about

14:37Kae Kurd:he's not writing any songs tonight I'll tell you that much The ultimate cookout starts with the ultimate ingredients. At Whole Foods Market, no antibiotics ever, burgers and kebabs are prepped and ready to throw on the grill. Fire up a juicy ribeye. Grab creamy potato salad and savory flatbreads from the prepared foods department and round it all out with 365 brand condiments, chips and dips at everyday low prices. Whole Foods Market, make your summer sizzle.

15:17can I just ask you quickly before we move on from Harry Maguire I've spoken about it outwardly before from covering England the last few years I know he's not in the squad now and hasn't been um for a little while but I've grown really fond of him because he's always incredibly polite it kind of it feels like with him what you see is what you get he's quite an honest lad but what's he like from what you know of him because I know you know him well and you know him off the pitch too don't you yeah no listen he's he's a great lad and um when you say great what do you mean no no listen he's he's genuine and he's honest and truthful and um you know for laugh at the right times as well and but i think i think with harry i would really struggle to have dealt with what he's been through you know he was a meme for years you know you had i think i see in parliament in over in Africa somewhere where he's getting brought up in Nanda laughing at him so for him to have dealt with so much and what he's dealt with he's incredibly strong strong minded to have gone through that then as I mentioned before getting the armband taken off him and people laughing at him and you're like this guy's been in World Cup teams of the tournament and been incredible for England been really good for Man United and it was completely unfair and it was bullying.

16:37He was getting bullied from all over the place and for him to have dealt with that and got through it and stuck with it, you'd have to say, you know what, that's a strong human being and that's not nice for his family as well, his parents and his family. For him to get through that and his family to get through that and come out the other side and show his ability and quality and strength, I couldn't be happier for him. Okay, do Manchester United fans really appreciate him? Do they laugh? Do they understand how important he is, like Wayne's saying?

17:12Kae Kurd:I think there was a period of time, I think, where everybody joined in on the bullying, unfortunately. But I think over the last couple of years, I know I myself, and I know there's a lot of other Man United fans that really, really love him now. I think when you see, I mean, all the things that Wayne mentioned, but when you see the resilience, when you see somebody that's got a love for the club as well, and he always shows up, he always shows up in the big moments and stuff as well. And listen, Harry Maguire in a back three is sublime. that I honestly honestly like if you the way you've seen him play for England in a back three as well um he's brilliant um and I think I think the issue is we we don't see Harry in a media a lot and what I mean I mean it's different when you're doing a post-match interview or whatever but when he does like long-form interviews I think he did one with Rio and I saw a different side to him and there was like certain clips I saw that United put out on their social media channels of him interacting with like some children and stuff um and and you saw a different side to him and it really humanized him I feel like to a lot of fans as well where you were like oh actually this is the mindset of the of the person that we have here and and he's a he's a brilliant character and it feels like um he's the kind of person where you only realize how valuable he is once he's not at a club anymore I wonder I think that there's a bit of that with England as well I don't know I just there's a lot said about Jordan Henderson being in the squad but I do feel I completely agree with Wayne.

18:34I would love to see Harry Maguire back in that squad. And that's enough waxing lyrical about Manchester United. I know neither of you particularly care what's going wrong with Liverpool. But Wayne, what do you think is going wrong with Liverpool? Because that's another difference in a big one. Complacency. Listen, I know how difficult it is. I've been in teams who have won back-to-back Premier League. So I think we won three in a row. Premier League titles. and it's very difficult and I think they've got a bit complacent. I think there was a lot on Salah, Van Dijk and Trent, I think which took up a lot of energy from a lot of people at Liverpool and I think they're missing Trent enormously.

19:19And I think the new players coming to the football, going into Liverpool, now Liverpool, in my opinion, is not as big as Manchester United, but they're a massive club around the world and for players going into like for Kerkers going in from Bournemouth and Isak going in from Newcastle and the players they've brought in they're struggling and the best player the best performed player for them is at TK and I think they're really struggling I think there's a massive challenge to the manager and I spoke about Amaran I think for Arnie Slot you forget he's won the Premier League but he's still quite young he's still only 46 years of age and he's still quite young and I think this is the first time he's lost four games in a row in his career well it was the first time he'd lost three games in a row in his career and you're just starting to see I've seen today he's arguing with the officials on the touchline I haven't seen that before from him and you're starting to see things unfold which shows that there's pressure there I think for Arnie Slott I've met him and I think he was an absolutely lovely man when I spoke to him and this was the one question and I'm not speaking out of turn here that all Liverpool fans I don't know this first hand is he's not Jurgen Klopp he hasn't got the charisma he hasn't got the connection with Liverpool fans that Jurgen Klopp had so unless they're winning when they're going through a run like this there's going to be questions even though they've won the Premier League I know and it's crazy they shouldn't be there but I know that there will be questions so they're in a place now and after the international they come back and lose into Man United at Anfield that's going to be a tricky next few days for them back at Melwood is it or over in Kirby I don't know back at the train ride What do you see when you're watching Liverpool at the moment as a fan what feels like it's changed for you?

21:26Kae Kurd:I don't think they've performed well all season. I haven't been impressed with them all season. But listen, having that many changes in your squad over the summer is going to be hard to get them all to gel together. And I think Wayne said that they're missing Trent. And I fully believe they are as well, because now I think they've become a bit more predictable in the way they play. And you haven't got somebody like Trent with those line-breaking passes, crosses from deep as well to sort of surprise other teams as well. And I think last season, everything was going through Salah. Salah was the main man.

22:04And I think part of management

22:06Kae Kurd:is obviously man management. It's not just coaching. It's managing all those egos in a squad. Now you've got a lad that's coming, Eketike, who's been doing incredibly well. but obviously you've just signed Alexander Rezac for over 100 million so you can't not play him as well and it almost feels like Isaac hasn't hit the ground good players can play together I had it with Tevez good players can play together and they spent what 70 million on Eketike it's a lot of money yeah but you had the best man manager in the game yeah but once you get on that pitch it doesn't matter you figure it out and you play alongside each other and that's where for whatever reason now it's it's almost like a crime to play two centre forwards Ekotike is a number 10 really he's a number 10 he can score goals he can entertain fans so why can you not play him but Wayne Ekotike's been doing so well wouldn't you just play him oh 100 % I wouldn't play Isak Isak hasn't looked ready since he he come from Newcastle and why do you think that is Wayne because he hasn't trained he hasn't had a pre-season people talk about it it's so important he hasn't had pre-season while Newcastle would train he's probably sat at home on the phone for six hours a day to his agent trying to get out and trying to force him to move out and he's paying the price for it now and it's so difficult when you don't have that pre-season and yeah he might have done runs and done stuff by himself and he's paying the price for it and on performances and you know he doesn't deserve to be playing ahead of Eckerdijk.

23:46No chance. Could there be a case of it's obviously a massive move? Do you think he's kind of been a bit overawed by the move or is his confidence just low? Do you think that could be paying a part? Yeah, well, you've seen chances he had today. If that was at Newcastle last season, he scores. I think there's no doubt about that. The problem you have when you haven't scored and there's pressure. I know you've scored in the cup, but there's pressure. The Liverpool fans do put pressure on you as well and they do support the players as well. I know that firsthand, but when them chances, he wouldn't even think.

24:23So now he goes through and you're seeing him and in my time, to people who haven't been in that position, when players go through, you know when they're not even thinking and they just take the shot and score. When he's going through now, he's thinking because he's worried. He's trying to be too precise. He's trying to, it's right in the corner and because his confidence is low and that's what's happened. And when you're not fit, then you start overthinking things.

24:51Kae Kurd:So what do you think is going on with Salah then? Because Salah's not been performing. Do you think it literally is as simple as that he's not the main man anymore? So his head's dropped a little. Because Slott took him off today. I just think Salah has played a lot of games over the last few years and he's been the main man and he's carried that pressure and probably in the top five greatest ever Premier League players in my opinion I think it looked like it maybe just caught up a little bit with him there was obviously talk about him leaving he signed a new deal it wouldn't surprise me if in January or maybe not January, next summer if he does leave the club but he's been absolutely I've loved watching him even out for Liverpool such a fantastic player but I think it's probably just caught up, it does and sometimes you don't want to admit it and you don't feel it, it gets you.

25:45The next thing you know, you're gone. Where do they go from here then, Wayne, Liverpool? Hopefully they keep slipping. I didn't ask what you hoped for. We've got two Waynes, haven't we? We've got the neutral pundit or we've got the Man United fan. I was going for the neutral pundit then. You'd like to think that without the mind of the players calling a meeting and they're having a chat. That's what normally happens and the leaders in there will be digging out a few players and themselves as well because I think that's important that you show that accountability and you try and have a fresh start to get back into a rhythm.

26:28I think that's definitely needed where they've been and whether that happens, I don't know. So I'd imagine there'll be some sort of hard truth getting told amongst the players.

26:41Kae Kurd:Well, if it continues like this, he's going to be spending Christmas with Ange Postokoglu. And that, Kay, is the perfect segue into that. Wayne's got his head in his hands. 39 games he lasted, sacked in a 39-word statement. I think it was 18 minutes after full-time. What did you make of it, Wayne? it's it's crazy I went in at Birmingham a little bit later than what Ange did to Forrest and I know it's difficult and you're trying to put your own philosophy on a team and very similar actually John Eustace was done brilliant with Birmingham and it was their decision to sack him and then I got approached and went in what Birmingham wanted to do was change the philosophy of how the team played and from being a low block counter attack team to expansive possession team and I didn't get the time obviously there which I'm thankful because I didn't really enjoy my time there at all but for Ange I think he's a proven manager the owners for whatever reason maybe fell out with Nuno, got rid of Nuno so we brought Angie in so you think okay I'm doing yet the results haven't been been great but it's to sack him after that many games and I think there's a big ego thing going on there and you know I think the owner is he's got to he's got to come out and explain him properly not not in the statement he they gave and I get it's his club and import if I was a fan you just want to know okay what is going on here that's remember years what we had it with a piece of Johnson at Everton and then obviously recently with Bill Canwright and Micheri fans want to know what is going on with their club and I think that's the problem now there's so many foreign owners come into English football um there seems to be a disconnect between between ownership and fans and um fans don't really know what's going on don't understand decisions which get made and um which the whole situation was strange but then to sack him like that and i felt from i've seen him stood there on the pitch at the end of the game and i really felt i've been in that position it's It's not easy.

29:16It's very difficult. And he knew, Ange knew when he was on that pitch. He knew that was it. You could see it. You could see in his facial expression. And you could see what was going through his head. And I just think it's absolutely crazy.

29:32Kae Kurd:I don't know. It's weird if somebody like Ange go from here as well, though. That's the other thing. Because, I mean, what... I hope he has a holiday. Well, yes. not because I don't want to see him managing come over here Ange come on come over here let's have a beer join Wayne up the log flume no but I just felt for him because I just thought it was like you said Wayne at full time I mean I've never been in that position but on a human level standing on the pitch and then I mean they didn't make him do a post-match interview did they because he was sacked before he actually did an interview so maybe maybe they saved him some of the players didn't even know some of the players had no clue as well I also thought Ryan Yates coming out difficult situation I know he's the captain but to come out and speak about it well I've actually had a situation like that where after the Euros after 2016 when we got knocked out to Iceland and I don't think we spoke to the media so I had to go out as captain and we knew we was gone after that game and he told us did he tell you he knew he was gone yeah he knew that was it so I think that he didn't want to speak to the media and I went out and had to speak to all the media and it was very difficult to to do that and knowing quite well it was a really bad result for us and then you obviously got to fulfill your duties as captain but it's very difficult and I think what people forget is the human side of people you know Angie's gone in there, the forest friends have not taken to him at all from day one he's gone in there and yet people say oh we'll get a payoff and it's not that it's personal pride and you know people have got families and and then to be treated like that just because you know I don't know what the what Forest are looking for Champions League they're nowhere near that level they overachieved last season and I think everyone knows that and I think maybe they've tried to to run before they can can walk in my opinion who next then because Sean Dyche is the front runner and that makes sense there's kind of a lot of forest connections there Roberto Mancini also linked as well quite different managers Kay do you know what I would absolutely love to see Sean Dyche managing in Europe I'm so glad you said that you put that in the WhatsApp and I teed you up perfectly and you went for it because I know you're buzzing about that was you speaking to him at the World Cup yeah I saw him at the Legends you talked to him there Yeah, he's, listen man, I want to see Dashball in the Europa League.

32:12I hope he doesn't because I want to see him on that dating show he appeared on. What was that one? Oh, I want to see him back on that. First dates? Yeah, he appeared on one day. I was talking to him about it actually, it was funny. What did he say? No, he just stumbled in there with his mate and I think he was having a bit of fun and they asked him would he go on camera so fair play to him but that's the kind of guy he is isn't it I would like to see Dicey back but then that shows you what's the there's no plan at Forrest you've gone from from Nuno to Ange then if they go back to Dice Dice is a bit more conservative than to what Ange is so what's the plan it's spontaneous decisions getting made and that can't be healthy for the players won't know what day it is they want to know if they're coming or going and that's the truth of it so and what you want from your football club is some leadership and I think that has to be questioned at the minimum Okay well that is where we'll leave this show because Kay you've got a gig where are you tonight?

33:24Kae Kurd:I'm in Birmingham at the Alexandra Theatre Can I mention Man United winning? Do you think that'll go down well? Probably not but just mention that you've just been on with me and I said that I actually had no enjoyment in there. I lived in Solihull and didn't get to go out once. Yeah, actually, maybe don't mention you're on the Wayne Rooney show. I don't even like that. Don't even like that. It's going to get booed off. There's big photos of you outside the arena, isn't there? Yeah, just a couple. Just a couple. Today, there's a couple of photos outside the venue, but yeah. You're so humble playing it down.

34:02Kae Kurd:Well, I'm on a podcast with Wayne Rooney. I know where I stand and Wayne you mentioned you're in Dubai is that your birthday holiday? no I'm actually coaching tomorrow morning coaching kids all week I think there's about 75 to 100 kids I think imagine that being coached by Wayne Rooney in Dubai that's the life isn't it? so yeah and then Michael Owen's the following week so are you going to cross over? yeah no I'll still be here with Michael so I'm going to I'm going to wait and watch him coach and heckle him maybe you can have that debate about who is the better 18 no so now hopefully i get to see michael but yeah no it's um it's good fun the kids really enjoy it they come over we have a couple of hours each day it's hot it is i have to wear my cap um it's very hot but the kids the kids enjoy it so yeah we should have got you some sunscreen for your birthday that's where we missed a trick but i was on a boat this morning um nine o 'clock this morning me now you know fishing and he wanted to go fishing so I took him out on a boat fishing for three hours and caught not on apart from Zomber yeah got burnt yeah it was a long morning so but we'll go back out again this week and try and get something for him well enjoy the rest of your holiday okay I hope tonight goes well we have actually recorded a 40th birthday special with Wayne watch it just to see him squirm some of the surprises that we had during that.