My MADDEST Moments: Goals, Chest Shaving & A Fergie Impression!

9:57Kelly Somers:Yeah, and sometimes you notice them, sometimes you don't. And for every reason, this time, when I'm celebrating, it was literally there. And I always remember Stephen Gerrard, he went to the cameras and he kissed it at Old Trafford.

10:09Kae Kurd:Yeah, and Declan Rice did it recently too.

10:11Kelly Somers:Stuff like that. So I think for the FA or for the broadcasters, you're going to have to understand that you're going to get some things which, whether it's an emotion the way I've done it, or whether you're going to get some really good stuff, like Steven Gerrard, for instance, when he's gone to the camera and kissed the camera, you're going to get things which you like or don't like. But if you're going to put the cameras that close, you're going to have to expect, and the FAF have to expect, it might go one way or the other because it's an emotional game.

10:44Kae Kurd:OK, let's go back to something a little bit less controversial on the pitch. The pass, you'll remember this, for Robin Van Persie against Aston Villa. Oh, man.

10:53Wayne Rooney:Inch perfect. Vully.

10:55Kae Kurd:I just love the way Van Persie just kind of just carried on running. It was, it was, you couldn't have hit that any better.

11:00Kelly Somers:No, I think, I think for me, that's the best goal in the Premier League history. I think, and I've spoke about it a few times before, but I think the fact that we spoke about it before the game, for a few days before the game, we worked on it in training because I think it was James Collins and, I can't remember doing the centre path, but we knew they weren't the quickest. So I was playing deeper than Robin in my field. And I said to him, if I get it with time and I take a touch out my feet, just run. I'll find you, make you run. And we worked on it, we practised in training. And there was a moment in the game where it come to me, I took a touch.

11:40Kelly Somers:I've seen him start his run and I've played it. It's probably the best pass I've ever played. It was perfect to him. He didn't have to break stride. and his finish was incredible, his technique, and that was to score his hat-trick. And we won the league.

11:55Kae Kurd:I was going to say, essentially, he kind of won you the title, didn't he, really?

11:58Kelly Somers:We won the league that day, so for me, that's the best. Did that give you as much joy as scoring a goal? Massively. I think when you work on something as well, because it was planned, it was practised, it was a weakness we'd seen in Villa and something we could take advantage on. and me and Robin were out there. I was taking the touch. He was running. I was playing it and I never got it once. Perfect like that in training. But it shows that you practice things during the game. It paid off.

12:29Wayne Rooney:When did you think it was going to happen? As soon as it left me foot.

12:33Kelly Somers:Really? As soon as it left my foot, I thought, right, I've done my job. No, I knew it was perfect as soon as I did it. because you get the you need to get the right height the right curl on it which worked on because if it don't it'll end up behind him or if it's flatter it'll end up in front of him and I knew I did it perfect and I knew Robin with his technique I thought this is

13:02Wayne Rooney:he put some weight behind it yeah

13:03Kelly Somers:it's a great chance of him scoring and everything was perfect

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13:49Kae Kurd:you're fourth in the all-time list of Premier League assist makers do you think that's something that's maybe doesn't get the recognition that maybe it should because you think of Wayne Rooney think of goal scorer yeah no and but I think I was always a player who

14:05Kelly Somers:was a player who was in and around the penalty box and there was a couple of seasons where I I was the number nine, but I enjoy assisting and creating goals for people. I'm not too fussed nowadays where you get goal involvement.

14:17Wayne Rooney:Back then it wasn't really a thing, though, was it? Nobody really cared.

14:21Kelly Somers:People are claiming an assist to the assistant. Pre-assist. I used to get a lawyer out of assists and the assistant with my teammates. so

14:34Wayne Rooney:it felt like during that era like a lot of the top Premier League players people like Henri and yourself you had that element to your game where it was like not only can you score goals but I can be a team player and provide it for everybody else as well yeah

14:49Kelly Somers:well if your teammates are in better positions then you always try and as I said I used to really enjoy Ousmane there was an assist I gave an assist to the assist I gave which was trying to claim it now I'm not going to claim but it was one of my best passes against Fulham away and I played a load pass through to Jason Park and he played across the van this way and he scored so you do get a joy and a satisfaction out of whether you get an assist or I used to love like Scolzi for instance how he used to ping the ball around the pitch and stuff like that and knowing how much he practised and works on it.

15:34Kelly Somers:You used to really watch him and try and be as good as him at doing it. You never get there, but there's things like that where you see your teammate with a different attribute.

15:46Wayne Rooney:You want to try and replicate that. That's an area where stats don't really pick up, do they? Those passes, like for example, you're saying Scolzi, hitting him in and pinging him in and you've done it yourself as well. That's an area where stats don't measure it. If you're looking for a player to do that sort of thing, how do you find out that they can do that? If you watch? No, I know what you mean, but now it's all on fact sheets and stuff.

16:11Kelly Somers:Yeah, you watch players and you can see the impact a player has and there's so much data now, you'll know exactly where a player is, where he's been on the pitch, you can tell how far he's walked, how far he's stood, how long he's stood still, how quick he's ran, what distance he's ran you can tell everything so you've got all the data there to show that but I always think the data can give you so much it doesn't give you the player's character or how is he a good teammate it doesn't give you this information it gives you things which happen on the pitch but actually it's only a part of what you need in terms of recruitment and you have to make phone calls you have to speak to the player, whether it's to his family, to his agent, to teammates he's been with, to really get to know what type of character that player is.

17:06Kelly Somers:So if you're looking for a player who likes to play short, like Rodri, for instance, you can quite clearly see it and find that. You're looking for someone like Scholes who can play balls in behind and get a bit longer. I don't think players switch the ball as much now anyway. there's always different ways you'll find them let's move on

17:28Kae Kurd:to the 1-2 goal with Ronaldo against Bolton you've just done a deep X out of breath

17:34Wayne Rooney:it was just the synergy between the two as well and it was just like explosive pace from like when you're thinking about from memory as well like it was just like

17:43Kae Kurd:was it planned?

17:46Kelly Somers:not really that one no there was ones which were planned against Arsenal quite a lot of them were we'd sit back and let them have the ball and then when we win it, we'd run with tempo and pace and speed.

18:00Wayne Rooney:It just felt like if you've got the ball on the box, just look forward and you just see everybody running.

18:08Kelly Somers:And we'd go with speed because we knew they didn't like to run back. They couldn't run back as hard as we could run forward. And that was a game plan. The bottom one, I think it was off their corner. or they had a little bit of pressure and it fell to me and I played it round the corner to Cristiano and then I've turned and just ran straight line run as quick as I can and Ronaldo's run through the middle and now all I can do is try to let him know which I think he will have known that I was coming or I will be there but then you've obviously got to let him know that you're with him, supporting him but then it's his decision whether he goes to take the plate on or he uses you.

18:52Kelly Somers:So you're obviously shouting him as you're going, letting him know that you're there. And then, obviously, the time and then of the passing is important and he plays it through to me like a little dink over the keeper.

19:05Kae Kurd:Did you know he'd give the ball back? Was there part of you that thought he was going his arm? No.

19:09Kelly Somers:You never do that. No, but this is something which we used to do in training. We used to have three players, one on the halfway line and two, either side of the goal, and you'd have two defenders waiting in the end. And one of the two players kick up to the player in the halfway line. He takes a touch, sets it, the other two have run, and then you've got a 3v2, the full length of the pitch.

19:35Wayne Rooney:Who's that with René?

19:37Kelly Somers:Under Alex Ferguson, you had eight seconds to do the full length of the pitch and score, or get a shot off. So it's no fluke, it's stuff we used to wear them.

19:47Wayne Rooney:Would you say you had that sort of synergy with Cristiano where you could do that the most with? Because I remember during that period, all the front three would sort of like, there'd be times one of you would be on the right, then you're on the left. Was that just like, was it learned or was it just like an instinct thing? No, we worked on it, but I think I was quite a tight deck player,

20:12Kelly Somers:especially when I was younger I was quite a direct player and if I see it up due to where we're 2v2 or 2v1 or 3v2 you've got to use it you've got that's an unbelievable chance to score a goal so you you see team like teams now or it's so frustrating because if you put a session I used to put a session on as a manager where we do 3v2s and I think it was 72 shots my team used to have against two players 3v2 and I used to ask the players beforehand how many goals you think you scored and they'd be like oh 40 odd and I don't think any I've done it every team don't think any of them have got past 14 goals out of 72 attempts which you know 3v2 so it's all it's it's all about running at speed but with control of the ball and the timing of your pass so how do you suck the defenders into a position where if you get this time in the pass rate, you've got a 1v1 shot to go.

21:12Kae Kurd:I feel like I'm in a coaching masterclass. Just a quick word on Ronaldo. What was it like to play with him, other than never knowing if you're going to get the ball back?

21:20Kelly Somers:No, it's incredible. And sometimes a player comes along where, you know, it's a pleasure to play with. And, you know, you know that at any given moment, he can score or be the match win and win you the game and it was absolute especially the last couple of years where you know he went you know from a certain level to incredibly he won the Ballon d 'Or 2008 I think it was he won the Ballon d 'Or so to to have that experience I think five years maybe I think we played together and we had a good connection did you get on well? yeah we did really well and he was good fun as well Obviously, he was a professional player, but he also got fun as well.

22:10Kelly Somers:So, to go into any game, I think that's the biggest thing to say. Go into any game in world football and know you'd have a chance with him in your team.

22:19Wayne Rooney:It felt like during that period where there's not a side that can beat you. Obviously, you did lose certain games, but it just felt like watching you lot on the pitch together, and obviously everybody else in that squad, it just felt like, how can you lose?

22:34Kelly Somers:Yeah, it was difficult games and sometimes as a team you're not always on it and nothing happened and it happened on one-off occasions for us but then it becomes about your determination and your desire to get through the game when you know you're not at your best and we've done that so many times and Fulham away, Cristiano scores, Fulham away. We were in that game 1-0, Liverpool away, we nicked a 1-0 win, Jon O'Shea scores. There were so many games, Everton away, we were 2-0 down, we were 4-2. So there were so many games where, you know, even there's games where we'd be losing 1-0 and we'd get a point.

23:20Kelly Somers:And you come in and you weren't at your best and disappointed. But Alex Ferguson, who knows obviously the game, knows Premier League, will come in and, you know, compliment you so much about that point, how much that point would win us the league and stuff like that. So there was moments where we weren't at our best, but we normally found a way to get Sutton or win the game. You see when you score a goal like that as well, as a fan, we're looking at it going,

23:47Wayne Rooney:oh my God, this is going to be replayed forever. Do you think that sort of stuff on a pitch? So when you score one of those amazing goals or you see a bit of team build up, do you go, this is going to be your match of the day, it's going to look super.

23:57Kae Kurd:I'm going to be still talking about it when I'm 40. You don't ever think it.

24:03Kelly Somers:And there's some goals you score where you think, that's an absolute world, is that? And then you see it back, that's not as good as you think. So now there's... You never really think that. Nowadays, maybe that's for the players now, it's different because everything gets clipped up and there's all kinds of, you know, platforms for it to go. But back then, there was... I never really thought of it.

24:26Kae Kurd:Let's end on a couple of off-pitch moments. you did charades didn't you once when you were at MU TV with some of your teammates I think it was Ryan Giggs was it Gary Neville I think Johnny Evans that was it and you had to recreate Bend It Like Beckham didn't you and what did you choose to do to demonstrate your point oh yeah

24:49Kelly Somers:I think they used Alex Ferguson was on the other team yep and I used the the instant where Fergie kicked the boot at Bex to try it. I thought that was the best way to...

25:04Kae Kurd:You couldn't think of any other way?

25:07Wayne Rooney:Just pointing at him and pointing at your eye, which is great.

25:11Kelly Somers:No, because I knew then... Did they get the answer?

25:16Wayne Rooney:Yeah, they said straight away they weren't better than Beckham.

25:18Kae Kurd:What the hell? That's what I was right. And what was Sir Alex's... Also, did it not go through your mind? The manager's there, he's quite strict. he's probably a bit scary. Did you worry about any repercussions?

25:30Kelly Somers:No, see, I think with Alex Ferguson, I think he's actually a soft, nice guy. Football-wise, obviously he can be strong and people talk about, you know, there's hair-dried treatment, if you like, but actually we used to do quizzes all the time, like four games in the hotel, when we stayed in the hotel and played as we staff and it used to get a bit feisty, but I think there was a video going round with Roy Keane walking out because he said he was cheating. So he used to get a bit feisty but he was always up for laughing, a joke as well and so he will have been completely found out.

26:12Kae Kurd:So nothing was said after, you just walked out the room as if it never happened?

26:15Kelly Somers:I was on the bench the next game. No, completely found.

26:20Kae Kurd:It says a lot about the personalities in the squad, doesn't it? Let's move on to, this is maybe my favourite and when I got shown a document with ideas that we could bring up in this I scrolled across and was presented with I said why have I got a photo of Wayne Topless and you've got 19 shaved on your chest that was, go on talk us through that one Yeah we won the Premier League title

26:41Kelly Somers:it was the 19th time Manchester United won it

26:44Kae Kurd:It still doesn't just, what on earth possessed you to do that?

26:47Kelly Somers:No it was 19 overtaking Liverpool

26:50Kae Kurd:I know but what made you put it on your chest? I don't know

26:56Kelly Somers:I just thought it was a nice way

26:57Wayne Rooney:Did you go to a barbours this black year mate just put a 19 It's quite neat

27:01Kae Kurd:it's quite impressive to be fair No I just felt You can't get enough of it look No I'm just

27:07Wayne Rooney:I felt No I was looking at the workmanship on the 9th

27:11Kelly Somers:I felt it was a way to for me to in a fun way have a little and non-permanent

27:19Kae Kurd:because it can grow back as well Yeah well

27:20Kelly Somers:I shaved it off straight away

27:24Kae Kurd:So you did that, did Colleen help you or did you do that all yourself?

27:27Kelly Somers:No, I didn't do that myself, yeah.

27:28Kae Kurd:What on earth did Colleen say or had it gone by the time she knew about it?

27:31Kelly Somers:Yeah, no, I literally done the picture then, so she shaved her off. So it was just a way of me having a go and a bit of banter with the Liverpool fans to say that Man United had won more league titles than them.

27:42Kae Kurd:Was it just to wind up the Liverpool fans, really? And Colleen's a Liverpool fan, right?

27:45Kelly Somers:Yeah. She still is, she still wants to win, so... Yeah, a bit of a joke and I think Liverpool fans took it right.

27:56Wayne Rooney:As fans though, you love stuff like that. You love stuff like that where it's like one of your players actually getting involved with the banter with it and giving it to the biggest rivals. You want to see stuff like that because it makes you more human.

28:10Kelly Somers:Yeah, it's just a bit of friendly banter. Well, I know I've got a little bit of stick from some Liverpool fans.

28:17Kae Kurd:You love that though, don't you?

28:19Kelly Somers:Yeah, I was getting it anyway, so I thought I'd as well give them a reason to give them it.

28:22Kae Kurd:Did you have a favourite league title to win? Was that it?

28:24Kelly Somers:First one, I think. First one was always special to win that first league title. Well, any of them really is good. Did you do anything else like this for any of them? No.

28:36Kae Kurd:That was the only one.

28:37Kelly Somers:That was the only one. Just the first one. I was at home. First one, Chelsea were playing Arsenal. And we just needed Chelsea not to win the game. So then we went out and stayed out. We were at home on a Sunday. We beat Man City on a Saturday. So they drew. So we all went out and met up. But never done anything to wind. It was tempting with the Chelsea one, with the Champions League. That was tempting. Tempting to do what? To wind JT or Lamps or Ash Cole up. I thought it would have been too much. I wouldn't have liked it if it would do the way.

29:14Kae Kurd:The good news is this episode's over and I never have to look at that photo again. That's all we've got time for today. Remember, you can watch The Wayne Rooney Show on iPlayer or BBC Sport YouTube or listen on BBC Sounds.

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