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The Wayne Rooney Show - Episode Summary
Podcast Overview Podcast Title: The Wayne Rooney Show Podcast Description: Wayne Rooney, an iconic figure in football, hosts a podcast that dives into significant stories from the Premier League and beyond. Joined by presenter Kelly Somers and comedian Kae Kurd, the show promises raw, unfiltered opinions and anecdotes from Rooney's illustrious career.
Episode Title Rooney Meets: Francis Jeffers & John Rooney “We Want Another FA Cup Upset”
Episode Description In this family-centric episode, Wayne Rooney welcomes his brother, John Rooney, who is the manager of Macclesfield, and former Everton striker, Francis Jeffers. They reminisce about their shared upbringing in Croxteth, recounting stories from their youth, including memorable pub moments and Wayne's admiration for Francis during his rise to prominence at Everton. The conversation shifts to Macclesfield's impressive FA Cup journey as they prepare for a significant fourth-round match against Brentford, highlighting the mood within the team and their aspirations for another upset.
Key Discussions and Insights
Childhood Memories and Early Influences
- Croxteth Beginnings:
- The trio shares nostalgic memories from their upbringing in Croxteth, including humorous anecdotes about Wayne's childhood mischief and admiration for Francis.
- Influence of Francis Jeffers:
- Wayne credits Francis as a major influence, particularly regarding his "Once A Blue, Always A Blue" motto during the FA Youth Cup Final.
Current Football Landscape
- FA Cup Dreams:
- John and Francis discuss Macclesfield's current FA Cup run, setting the stage for their fourth-round match against Premier League side Brentford.
- Game Strategy:
- They talk about the importance of staying grounded and focused amidst the excitement of the cup run, emphasizing a game-by-game approach.
Team Dynamics and Management Philosophy
- Relationship Between John Rooney and Francis Jeffers:
- John describes the importance of having an experienced assistant like Francis, who challenges him and offers different perspectives on team selection and tactics.
- Coaching Approach:
- Both John and Francis emphasize the need for a balanced approach to tactics, highlighting the significance of allowing players to enjoy the game rather than overwhelming them with information.
Reflections on Previous Matches
- Palace Upset:
- They reminisce about the surprise victory over Crystal Palace, discussing how the team managed to unsettle their opponents and the importance of creating a competitive atmosphere.
- Preparation for Brentford:
- John highlights the respect Brentford will bring to the match, given their awareness of Macclesfield's potential to cause upsets.
Motivational Messages
- Enjoyment and Competition:
- A recurring theme is the importance of players enjoying the game and competing fiercely, with advice to break the match into manageable segments to maintain focus.
Conclusion The episode wraps up with Wayne expressing gratitude for the journey the players have taken, underscoring the significance of enjoying the experience in high-stakes matches. The conversation hints at more stories from Francis Jeffers in future episodes, promising an engaging continuation of the podcast.
Listen and Watch
- Platforms: Available on BBC Sport YouTube, iPlayer, and BBC Sounds.
Key Takeaways
- The importance of childhood influences and friendships in shaping a football career.
- The significance of team morale and enjoyment in high-pressure matches.
- A strategic yet relaxed approach to managing a football team, especially during cup competitions.
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Chapters
Tap a time to open that second in VOIntroducing the Guests: John Rooney & Franny Jeffers
0:46 to 1:52
Wayne introduces his brother John and assistant Franny to the show.
“It's where little moments are cherished.”
Reflections on Recent Matches
1:53 to 3:45
The guests discuss the team's progress and recent games since the last episode.
“and we've also got his assistant Franny Jeffers with us guys.”
Growing Up in Crochi: Shared Memories
3:46 to 6:00
The guests share nostalgic stories from their childhood in Crochi and their football beginnings.
“Obviously being from Crockey He got into Everton's first team So Watching him He's someone I wanted to emulate and go and try and do the same thing.”
The Dynamics of Their Working Relationship
6:01 to 8:12
John and Franny discuss their working relationship and the importance of challenging each other.
“Yeah, no, that's, we, everyone used to go in there, underneath the Western after the, after the game.”
The Challenges of Being an Assistant Manager
8:13 to 9:14
Franny shares insights on the unique challenges faced as an assistant manager.
Looking Ahead: Brentford Game and Team Morale
9:15 to 14:00
The guests discuss upcoming matches, focusing on Brentford, and team morale.
“The lads will tell you, you know, but I've always been opinionated.”
Team's Current Mood and Performance
14:00 to 15:00
Discussion on the team's current morale and recent performances.
“I think since that we've played four or five games and I think we've won four of them.”
Reflecting on Tough Times and Upcoming Games
15:00 to 17:00
Reflects on a tough week for the team and the anticipation of upcoming matches.
“So I think, and that shows, they show you more respect, I think, than what Palace did.”
Maintaining Focus and Enjoyment in the Game
17:00 to 18:30
Emphasis on enjoying the game despite challenges and not overthinking tactics.
“But, you know, there might be a little element of surprise because we've done it before.”
Training Insights and Player Preparation
18:30 to 20:00
Insights on the training schedule and preparing players for competitive matches.
“Look, in bombarding them with all kinds of information, I think now football anyway, I've said it, at every level is overanalyzed.”
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Building Competitive Spirit Against Brentford
20:00 to 22:20
Strategies for fostering a competitive spirit in the upcoming match against Brentford.
“How does the rest of the week look and how are you going to prepare them and ensure that you don't give them too much information?”
Creating an Intimidating Atmosphere for Opponents
22:20 to 24:20
Discusses how to create a challenging atmosphere for visiting teams.
“These are all the things that I can think of.”
Preparing for Future Matches and Tactical Adjustments
24:20 to 26:10
Preparation for upcoming games and the need for tactical flexibility.
Transcript
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1:03Francis Jeffers:Blaznet and Matt Gay are going at it in the tunnel at halftime. I'm walking past them and I thought, I like that.
1:09John Rooney:Yeah, I think everyone probably looking for another upset. But as you know, it's a massive task.
1:15Francis Jeffers:I used to come across Wayne a lot in Crochi. Robin Milchhoff doorsteps. And I'll be driving into training and I'd have to put the window down and say, put that back.
1:26John Rooney:actually it was the reason I wore the t-shirt wanted me always up to you when he left us for Arsenal and then obviously I'd done the same thing a few weeks
1:36Wayne Rooney:it is FA Cup fourth round this weekend and the third round certainly didn't disappoint did it so we thought we'd do a special and a special involving of course Macclesfield so we're joined here in person myself Wayne and Kay and we've got Wayne's brother aka the Macclesfield manager John Rooney joining us once again and we've also got his assistant Franny Jeffers with us guys. Thank you so much for coming in because I know it's a really busy time of year. But firstly, how's it all been since the last game, John? Has it still been kind of back down to earth or still a lot of euphoria?
2:07John Rooney:No, it has been a little bit back down to earth. You know, we're back, as you know, we've got plenty of league games and basically being full on with games really. We've been playing Saturday, Tuesday, Saturday, Tuesday and to be fair, when you have a result like that, it's always hard to keep on top of the lads to be right for them league games but they have. They've been incredible since to be fair to them and we'll pick some really good results up in the meantime as well.
2:29Wayne Rooney:Franny, for you what's it been like? We heard from John a lot in the aftermath but I imagine it was just as enjoyable. I've seen him a lot
2:34Francis Jeffers:in the aftermath. I was sick of seeing his kipper on the telly That's why we asked you to come in. In the end, yeah. I had to turn the telly off a few times. Now listen, it's been back to our bread and butter. I know it's the old cliche isn't it in football but you do, you know, you have to get back to reality pretty quick. our lads certainly enjoyed the next couple of days we were well entitled to but then quickly back to the league which is our bread and butter you know we have aspirations to get out of this league so quickly our attentions we're back at that
3:09Wayne Rooney:alright let's not have any more of the manager talk let's not do the serious stuff because you're not just assistant to John you're actually you guys obviously you guys have known each other a long time but you've known Wayne and John for a very long time as well
3:21Francis Jeffers:we grew up in the same area in Crochie Everyone knows everyone So I'm a bit older Than the lads obviously But You know We were all Aspiring young footballers At one time And I used to hear Wayne's name a lot When I was coming through At Everton And Yeah Because obviously I went back there on loan When When he broke through And he was a superstar And spent a lot of time With him Yeah
3:44John Rooney:Yeah Well Fanny was Who I looked up to really Obviously being from Crockey He got into Everton's first team So Watching him He's someone I wanted to emulate and go and try and do the same thing. Actually, he's the reason I wore the T-shirt, wanting me to always look blue. When he left us for Arsenal, and then I was trying to do the same thing.
4:04Francis Jeffers:I was going to say that. I said that to him. Yeah, when I went back on loan, I said I might come back to bite you on the backside. A few years later.
4:11John Rooney:But yeah, now it's... We obviously made our England debut together. Franny's got the best record in England in history, haven't you? One in... One in 45?
4:21Francis Jeffers:Yeah, one in half.
4:23John Rooney:One and a half a game, so... Never seen again. But that was great, obviously, for the two of us to make our two lads from Crocci, from the same school, De La Salle, to make our England debut together. It was a special moment for the area where we're from.
4:38Wayne Rooney:Any good school childhood memories?
4:40Francis Jeffers:To be fair, I'm a bit older than the man, so I think I'd have probably missed them, going from infant school over the other side, which was St. Sweden's, cross over into the junior side, and then I went to De La Salle, and I think before Wayne and John would have got to Della Selle, I went to a place called Lillichore, which was the national school. So never really come across them in school. I used to come across Wayne a lot in Crochie, Robin Milchoff doorsteps. And I'd be driving into training and I'd have to put the window down and say, put that back.
5:14Wayne Rooney:True story?
5:16Francis Jeffers:No, it was the orange juice.
5:20Francis Jeffers:Yeah, I never really come across them in school, obviously, because I'd had my last two school years down in Shropshire. But obviously, you know, the names, you know, Wayne's name started flying around at a really young age, as I said before. Yeah, I used to, you know, I don't know whether I can say this, but I used to bevy in the booze of the Wessie. And John and Wayne had come in with Graham, with the Rale fella, after Everton Games. and if I'd had a good game, I might have got an high five off a Zara fella. If I'd had a bad and he was, you were s*** today, you. And John and Wayne would sometimes be sitting there with a Coke and that was the way it was, that was how we grew up.
6:01Wayne Rooney:What were your memories of that time?
6:03John Rooney:Yeah, no, that's, we, everyone used to go in there, underneath the Western after the, after the game. I remember we went in there,
6:13John Rooney:after we played Man City and Schmeichels and go for Man City I think it was I think it was John Burns the fellow you know he's my godfather actually I went in he had me icebox shirt with Schmeichels and he had the top on you know one fella kicking up a ten ball taking a penalty he's diving all over the place in the Schmeichels shirt but it was a bad it was a bad place it was a boss place obviously everyone used to go there after the games and have a good time, especially if you win.
6:42Wayne Rooney:What about your memories of that time, John? You were the youngest, weren't you?
6:45John Rooney:Yeah, I was young. I was young at that time. But now I used to always be in there as well myself. We used to go in there as a family. It was my uncles, my cousins, Wayne, Graeme and my dad and my mum and that. But for me, I was a bit too young then to remember having a good time in there. But when I got a little bit older, like Sir John Burns and my Uncle Richie and that, they'll be still drinking there now but we've had some good times in there over the years.
7:12Wayne Rooney:Okay, so you've known each other a very long time. How did this working relationship come about?
7:17John Rooney:Yeah, I've knew Fran. He since I was very young and always had a good relationship with him and went assigned for all of them. Fran was my coach there as well and something I spoke about over the last two years or something and see if I did get a chance to become manager at Maccasfield. Would Fran come along and help me? as a young manager you want someone with a little bit of experience a little bit older than you who's been around coaching for the past 10 years now and for me I didn't want to go and get someone who I didn't really know and someone my age who will just agree with everything I say and as I say I've said it loads Fran's probably been my best signing to bring into the club and someone for me to lean on
7:58Francis Jeffers:There's not many people said that
8:01John Rooney:I want someone today who I can lean on and get advice off and also doesn't agree with everything I say on team selections or on certain stuff he doesn't agree with everything I say so it challenges me in that way as well I think we have got a good relationship in that sense we bounce stuff off each other and I think in the first couple of months it's been working really well That's so important to have someone when you're making decisions because as a manager you make a decision what you think is right and you're doing things what you think is right but you're not always right so you need people around you who are going to say listen I think we should maybe do it a little bit this way or pick this player into this player so it's important that you get them coaches
8:46Francis Jeffers:around you right and ultimately you know the decisions it's his head on the chopping block it's not no no it is it's not mine so I can sort of take all the emotion out of it sometimes it can be really difficult you can have lost a couple of games and you're thinking right what shall I do here and with me obviously you know I'm not I'm not at the forefront I'm in the background helping him and it's not my head on the chopping block ultimately if we lose five, six games and the pressure comes it comes on him it doesn't come on me so I can take all the emotion out of when I'm advising him or speaking to him and I think we're really fortunate both of us because we're travelling together so we've got plenty of time to really chew the fat if that's the right word and listen you know I'll never just agree with him for the sake of it.
9:36Francis Jeffers:I've never been that type of person. The lads will tell you, you know, but I've always been opinionated. I'll give you my opinion, take it or leave it, it's up to him. But we have a really, really good working relationship. We disagree more than we agree, which I think is really, really healthy in football management, coaching. And right now, you know, obviously when he got in touch with me to say He was going to take the job. Would I be interested? I'd worked with him. He was a player at Oldham and I was coaching. He was a effing nightmare, by the way. Let me tell you. In what way? In terms of coaching, challenge you with every decision.
10:22Francis Jeffers:The ball was out by that much. It was in by that much. He's had two touches. No, he's had three. It was honestly a disaster. I used to pull him a lot after training and say, will you shut your mouth, mate? I just get on with things. But I love them. I do. I love them. I love the family. It's that type of relationship. And I think, you know, we're both very fortunate that we're working for it. Or I'm working for a friend and he's got a friend working with him. But it's not just a friendship. It's a friendship that challenges each other. And right now we're doing something right, aren't we?
10:57Wayne Rooney:What's the most challenging thing about being an assistant manager, would you say?
11:01Francis Jeffers:You're not the manager. Yeah, it is because you've got all these ideas in your head. And, you know, most assistants will probably be aspiring managers. So you have a lot of ideas in your head. And ultimately, we all see the game slightly different. Yeah. John, Wayne, whoever, any coach, any manager I've heard, you all see the game slightly different. So the most frustrating thing is that you're not the manager. and ultimately you don't have the final shape but you know you're not the manager so you get your head around that pretty quickly.
11:38Wayne Rooney:Okay, we don't want to keep you too long, John, because you are in your track seat because you've got a league game very much focusing on the league, as you said earlier. But we do have to look ahead to the game on Monday night. Firstly, Brentford at home, when that came out in the draw, how did you view it?
11:51John Rooney:No, I was actually at the draw the night it was done at Anfield. I was always saying any Premier League team we were delighted to get Everton or Man United being Everton Everton fan and obviously Wayne's relationship with Man United then we're looking at your Liverpools and that but any Premier League team that we would have settled for before the drawing at the time I think they've come out of the heart I think Brent was the fifth in the league so they're a really really good team we've been watching bits and bobs of them but I haven't went into too much detail yet because we've got league games coming up so after tonight's game we can start looking at that Brent for one but it's the same as Palace it's going to be a really tough task and you know any little advantage we could take we'd grab it both hands but you know it's one of them games again where everyone probably expects us to lose and you know we're massive underdogs but as you see in the last round anything can happen on the day.
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13:22Wayne Rooney:Have you lost the surprise element a little bit now? You were like the surprise of last round, whereas now everyone's looking at that going, they know how to pull off a shock.
13:30John Rooney:Yeah, I think everyone probably looking for another upset and, you know, so are we. We'll be looking as well. But as you know, it's a massive task and, you know, we can pull it off again. That'll be unbelievable, especially after what we've done in the last round. But as I say, it's going to be a huge task. But listen, we've done it in the last round and, you know, at the end of the day, it's 11 v 11 with one ball and it can happen on the day and no fingers crossed that. we can pull it off Are the lads looking forward to it? What's the mood like? Do you know what? It's been probably a hard thing to keep their feet underground but they have done to be fair and they've took every game I'm big on taking each game as it comes and that's what I've touched on with the players let's take it game by game and after tonight we've got a couple of days in between so we'll get a few sessions in where we can work and we can plan on Brentford but the lads they've took every game as it's come to be fair to them they haven't looked too far ahead and we've picked some great results up in the meantime.
14:30John Rooney:I think since that we've played four or five games and I think we've won four of them. So we're in good place at the minute. We had a tough week this week, haven't we? We've had Ethan's funeral this week, so we've been to Darwin as a team. So that was a tough day for us, but we're looking forward to tonight's game now. from that it'd be our first game since that and that was a tough challenge for us as well you know so it's been it was one of them it was it was a hard week winning from this week after we had a great result probably one of our best results of the season on Tuesday night and then to do that Thursday but you're just looking forward to that next game you know you can go and train but you can't replicate going to see them out on the pitch and I think for the players to have that first game we seen last time is massive for them and I'm sure they'll be up for it tonight.
15:33John Rooney:I think Brentford will come, obviously they won't be underestimating after what happened after the Palace game because as much as it's a great result for you, the Palace will be embarrassed by the results and then Brentford won't want to go there and think we're going to get turned over.
15:51Francis Jeffers:So I think, and that shows, they show you more respect, I think, than what Palace did. 100 % he will, won't he? I think you're already looking at it, you know, the backroom staff at our place, the people in the office already telling us Brentford want to bring the team, squad of players, to look at the pitch at 12 o 'clock that day. So, you know, they don't want to get there and be surprised like Palace. So, like you said, that giant killing now has sort of made Brentford wake up and go, listen. we're not going there and we're not going to allow that to happen. We have to just allow our lads to enjoy it.
16:28Francis Jeffers:It's an unbelievable occasion. We said that to them in the last round, didn't we? Lads, look, I actually said to them, thank you very much for where you've took us here, by the way, because I've had some great days in football as a player. But that's probably one of the best days I've ever, ever had. That was all down to the lads and thanked them. I'll be saying the same to them. and after John gives his team talk, I'll be saying to the lads, lads, thanks. Make sure you go out and enjoy the occasion and what will be, will be. No one's expecting us to win. But, you know, there might be a little element of surprise because we've done it before.
17:09Francis Jeffers:I think our lads might quietly fancy having a right go at Brentford.
17:14John Rooney:Yeah, I think they will definitely. But as we said, that was the last message before they went out, weren't it? It was about going to enjoy it. to go and from the National League 0 team to go and play against the current holders in the Premier League side. No one expected us to win. So us as staff, we wanted the players just to go and enjoy that occasion in front of the cameras, in front of that crowd. None of them had ever played that calibre of game before and our key message to them was go and enjoy it. We give them little bits and how we're going to set up but the main thing for us was go and enjoy yourselves.
17:46John Rooney:The cameras are here.
17:47Francis Jeffers:go on take part take take part in the game was it was a big message for us you know me and john could have bogged them down with tactics about when the ball goes here we need to be in this shape when we do that we need to do that and all of a sudden you know if palace are the play that they're best they'd beat us anyway and and then our lads come off the pitch and think i never really took part in the game there and sometimes you can over analyze and give people too much tactics especially at our level in a game like this coming up and a game like Palace give them a little bit show them a few clips about where they'll look to hurt you but actually lads go and take part in the game and enjoy yourselves because we all know if Crystal Palace play to their best and we play to our best they're going to beat us it'll be the same against Brentford but we don't want to bombard them with tactics and then they forget to enjoy themselves and also take part in the game you just want them to compete You just want them to enjoy themselves.
18:46Francis Jeffers:It's like, you know, what's the point? Look, in bombarding them with all kinds of information, I think now football anyway, I've said it, at every level is overanalyzed. There's too much tactics. And at our level, we have to remember, you know, some of our lads come training and then go to work as well. And we don't want them sitting in the jobs. You know, big Sam Heathcote, for instance, teaching kids. thinking when the ball goes wide I've got to get tight to John Mateta I guess what's 20 kids here want the maths lesson off you mate get your head on that and he's thinking well Franny said when the ball goes wide I've got to smash John Mateta it's like no no no you've just got to allow them to be themselves you know they've took us on this journey and allow them to enjoy
19:35John Rooney:I think that as well we only had them one day that week for a training session and that had to be a light session because we had a tough game on a Tuesday so we couldn't even get a lot of work into them anyway it could be about stuff so everything's more or less in the changing room and giving them bits in there and the more you give them in the changing room the reds will fall off because you're actually not working on the grass doing it so I think people learn different ways people watch stuff and learn better that way people learn better on the grass so if you're just giving too much information in the changing room it'll just blow them on some of the morning unless you're showing them on the grass exactly what you want then it'll send them
20:11Wayne Rooney:We're speaking on Monday now then. I know you've got the game tonight. How does the rest of the week look and how are you going to prepare them and ensure that you don't give them too much information?
20:20John Rooney:So we've got a game tomorrow night. So it'll be a normal game day. Hopefully we can go and get three points and put ourselves into that promotion mix even further. Then Thursday we'll be in training and then Saturday morning we'll be looking towards Brentford then. and in the meantime we're looking to that game now and hopefully we can go and get the three points tonight
20:44Wayne Rooney:How can they do it Wayne?
20:46John Rooney:As they've said just enjoy it and make it competitive I think a big factor in the Palace game was the kick-off and the kick-off went in but the captain Dawson goes up and he goes in goes up for the challenge cuts his head
21:01Francis Jeffers:he's not wired up right anyway that might have actually levelled him off to have a decent game you know what I mean it could have been anyway
21:09John Rooney:but from there you could see you could see I was sat just behind you and you could see the Palace players were like and then they look they look nervous they look scared you've got some really good players you've got Wharton who could be in the England squad he was poor and it looked like they didn't want to be there so I think if you can create an atmosphere and energy on the pitch where Brentford are thinking which I think would be more difficult with Brentford with Keith Andrews as well he knows that
21:35Francis Jeffers:He knows them levels. Them levels as well. He understands.
21:39John Rooney:It'll be more difficult, but as the lads have said, just go and enjoy it. Compete, make it competitive, and you never know. You look like football sounds so simple, innit? Just go ahead and enjoy it.
21:49Francis Jeffers:Do you know the big thing for me? I don't know whether John remembers saying it to the lads. Just break the game down into 15-minute blocks. So, right, let's go out. Let's get through the first 15 minutes. Let's try and keep it to 0-0 for 15 minutes. And then you look up at the scoreboard, what was it? I said to him and he went mad at me. He goes mad at me because I'm big in, right, where are we in the game? How's it going? What minute are we in? Are we close to half-time? Do we need to be a bit more secure? These are all the things that I can think of. Obviously, he's the manager, he's out in the technical area.
22:23Francis Jeffers:He's trying to control everything. I can be a bit more reserved and analyse from a much, probably, he'll say I don't, calmer mindset.
22:34Wayne Rooney:Calm?
22:34Francis Jeffers:No. worse than me a lot worse than me but break the game down into into into small segments I think right let's start the game really well which Wayne's just said we did start the game really well with Dawson smashing into one of their lads and it was like wow is it going to be this for 90 minutes and then obviously I looked up and I said to him 25 minutes gone it's been nothing in the game they haven't been near our goal Crystal Palace brilliant let's keep it like that and then I think was it 42 two we score so we score at the right time we get in at half time lads are excited uh i will say it i don't know whether i should be saying it glasner and mcay are going at it in the tunnel at half time and i'm walking past them and i thought i like that you know there's a there's an edge there's a you know they're not happy with something uh did you tell the players Yeah, I did.
23:35Francis Jeffers:So look, there's big disagreements there between the manager and the captain. Marquez is the captain, isn't he? So you've clearly rattled the cage. More of the same, second half.
23:49John Rooney:And it doesn't help because they're not in their comfort zone as well, so they're coming to your ground. They're probably not used to changing rooms being like that and everything else as well.
23:56Wayne Rooney:And it's not going their way on a pitch. They've already said they didn't like the pitch as well, didn't they?
24:00John Rooney:I said before I've been to Low League teams With United And The hard games And if you get complacent In them games You get found out quick I turned the heat And off and off We drew with Exeter I think Yeovil Crawley We got beat And that's purely If you get complacent And you think Oh you know This will be an easy day You do have found out On our ground
24:27Francis Jeffers:The sun goes behind The far stand So they've got where where dawson scores is i don't really remember it it still looked very icy in that in that penalty box because because uh the sun doesn't get to it so when door said if you watch it it skids off the surface really really quicker than than it would have at the other end uh so these are things you'll have so so this is the thing so so i think we spoke about it at the start Wayne said was there actually kids going onto the pitch and there was and the fella who's taking them onto the pitch I grabbed them in the tunnel and I said to him when you go back onto the pitch now and you're going to take 20 kids make sure they go up that end where we've just scored so that there's 25 kids running round so it takes the gloss off right no I did I said make sure that there's 25 because we knew anything up that end right anything that skids off the surface it goes twice as quick as it does down that end so to take try and take the shine off that end of the pitch there was no sun getting to it if you get 25 kids running up and down just takes that gloss off it so just little advantages like that i grabs the feather and says make sure the kids go and do the five aside in that goal mouth especially on that 3d it's like
25:42John Rooney:icing it yeah we don't just you know what you're getting you know you know there's times where i'm
25:45Francis Jeffers:watching mark a uh on their centre backs they think right it's going to skid through so they're back and off and all of a sudden the ball holds up and our lads are used to it they're used to they're used to the to the bounce of they get it every day or every couple of days in training it's it's probably the hardest pitch i've ever ever been on where where you actually know where the
26:06Wayne Rooney:ball is going to land on that note we'll let you go john because you've still got a lot well you've got two games to prepare for haven't you really yeah busy old week um but thank you for coming you're one of our very few returning guests so as you said can't get rid of him can we i can't get
26:20Francis Jeffers:rid of him I'll have to turn the telly off again if we beat Brentford for a few days best of luck with it
26:26Wayne Rooney:I hope it goes really well will you be there this time you probably won't will you
26:29Francis Jeffers:no I'm doing Benfica on Tuesday so I'll be balling that compared to our game will you be able
26:39Wayne Rooney:to watch it though yeah I'll be
26:40John Rooney:watching it yeah
26:41Wayne Rooney:so no tears maybe there'll be more tears but just from afar this time maybe thank you very much to John and to Franny it's been brilliant hearing about their preparations for this weekend's FA Cup. So a reminder, Macclesfield play Brentford in the fourth round on Monday night. So the very best of luck to them and everyone connected with the club. We're actually going to ask Franny to hang around. We're going to record another episode with him because we get the feeling he's probably got a fair few good stories on Wayne and on his remarkable career. Thanks as always for listening and for watching and we'll catch you next time.
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It’s a proper family affair on this week’s The Wayne Rooney Show as Wayne is joined by his brother, Macclesfield manager John Rooney, and his assistant, the former Everton striker Francis Jeffers. The episode starts where it all began: Croxteth. The trio reminisce about growing up together, with Francis recalling seeing a young Wayne up to mischief, long before the Premier League spotlight arrived. They share stories from their teenage years, including nights in their local pub, and the legendary moment one of the regulars started diving around the bar wearing an actual Peter Schmeichel shirt Wayne had handed over after an Everton match. Wayne opens up on how much he looked up to Francis when he burst into Everton’s first team as a teenager. He also reveals that Francis was the inspiration behind his famous “Once A Blue, Always A Blue” message after scoring in the FA Youth Cup Final. The focus then shifts to the present day and Macclesfield’s remarkable FA Cup run. John and Francis look ahead to their huge 4th round tie with Premier League Brentford, discussing the mood in the camp and whether they believe another upset is on the cards. The pair also relive their stunning 3rd round win over Crystal Palace, with Francis revealing that a half-time row between Palace’s manager and captain convinced him the upset was on. Wayne adds his own perspective, explaining just how easy it can be for Premier League sides to get caught cold in these fixtures. You can watch The Wayne Rooney Show on BBC Sport YouTube, iPlayer, as well as listen on BBC Sounds