Why Wayne Rooney Thinks Scotland Can Make History

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1:15So cut the bull spend. Advertise on LinkedIn, the network that works for you. Spend$250 on your first campaign on LinkedIn ads and get a 250 credit for the next Just go to linkedin.com slash broadcast. That's linkedin.com slash broadcast. Terms and conditions apply. They asked us to do a prediction on the phone for the World Cup and my prediction was Scotland would get to the quarterfinals. Have you got kids? Yeah, a lot of mad. You're in England? Aye. So there you go, now he's got an English son. I always say when people say that, I say that Jesus was born in a stable, but he's not a horse, is he?

1:55I got drug tested in every qualifying game at Euro 2016. But what was happening is I was getting drug tested. And when I go in there, all the officials who were taking the test were pulling shirts out and asked me to sign them and stuff. Oh, my. OK, well, the World Cup is fast approaching. We've had quite a lot of England chat on this show. So let's turn our attention to Scotland a bit today. when we've got a special guest to help us kind of look ahead to it, who's actually going to be playing? Yeah, no, thanks for coming on me. Ryan's come on. Great season with Bournemouth. And unfortunately, the season's been cut short a little bit.

2:35But no, obviously, to get a Scotland player on, and it's massive for Scotland, obviously, qualifying for the World Cup. The last game and Scott McTominay's goal, obviously. It was incredible. So I think it's great for British football as well to have Scotland there and keeps a different interest rather than just England. Yeah, Ryan Christie, thank you for coming on today. As Wayne said there, suspended for the end of the season. We're speaking to you just before the Premier League campaign has ended. I imagine you're already thinking about the World Cup though. It must be so exciting. When you first kind of qualify back in November, you almost have to kind of like park it to the back of your head a little bit because there's so much...

3:16How hard was that though, given like how big that was for Scotland? Yeah, I mean it took me a couple of days to sober up first and foremost Yeah, it was back to work, like you say You know, you get such a high of that game And then you've got like the Premier League at the weekend You just need to come right back down to earth pretty quick It is also exciting, obviously we're English We're looking forward to how England are going to do But I feel excited when there's another home nation in there I know Scotland don't always feel the same about England by the way But it just feels exciting I've got Scottish friends and as Wayne said it's good for British football isn't it I was in at the Euros when Scotland were there and I remember I was doing the punditry work and I remember going into a bar and it was full of Scottish fans and what did they think of you being in there did they get excited no yeah they were obviously speaking to them all and obviously I think they bring the Scottish fans bring a you know something joyful don't they to the tournament and obviously they're there they're having fun they're loud might be a bit different to America with the travel and stuff but no It's great to have them there because they bring like energy, I think, to the tournament as well.

4:22Where are you based? You know, we're here, there and everywhere. We start in Florida for a bit and then our base is North Carolina. You know, Charlotte FC? Charlotte, yeah. It's nice there. Yeah. And then fly to Boston for the first two and then Miami in the last one. Oh, wow. It's wild, isn't it? Not the last one, the third one. I need to stop saying that. You need to say that. I gotta be looking forward to that, Brazil in Miami. Yeah. What a fixture that is. You got to be looking forward to that, Brazil in Miami. Got two more games before that, though. I know, I know. But, yeah, like see when you're watching the draw, even though it was absolutely impossible to fall off.

5:05Everyone was thinking like, do you want an easy group? I think you just want an iconic game. that's why I wanted to play Brazil when I was growing up that was like the international team my memories of World Cup like 2002 and stuff of them just unbelievable so yeah it'll be a cool game to be part of to play Brazil in a World Cup you know Brazil's the team everyone is you know looks up to really historically so to play Brazil in a World Cup how exciting is that that must be incredible yeah it's the kind of dream fixture if you like like you said it's like the team everyone looks up to it's just like synonymous with World Cup obviously buzzing for that the kind of new generation of Brazilian players that are coming through now in terms of the boys that are at Arsenal and like Vinny Jr and players like this who are just lighting up football across the globe you're desperate to test yourself against these and then obviously Ryan who's at Bournemouth as well who's been like unbelievable since he joined us for the ages to come halfway across the world into like Premier League football and just taking a stride you know he's like you know a full-on kind of man I didn't look like that in 19 a little built like a side of a fiver but But yeah, he's been superb for us.

6:36And if he gets to go and represent his country after the six months he's had with us, it'd be incredible for him. One of the first pictures I remember at World Cup was Scotland-Brazil at France 98. And I think it was a 2-0 loss. But I reckon you guys have got a much better chance this time around. Hope so. We've been kind of watching clips, obviously, with the last World Cup. I've been watching. There's like a documentary that was made. So I've been watching clips on that. It's cool looking back and stuff. Like I said, I was three at the time, so I don't remember it, but my dad speaks about it all the time.

7:07Well, that team had like Ronaldo and those upfront now is a bit different for them. So you must fancy a chance. He can't go on record as many chances he can against Brazil. You can be confident about it. I'm sure you can be diplomatic. Yeah, you just got to try and take what you can from each game. We've been surprisingly good against the better teams in Europe over the last few years. I think we're a difficult team to play against, so we need to try and take our positives into that game. When you look at that squad from Brazil 98, it's mental. We did a bit actually a couple of weeks ago with Scottish players that played in that game.

7:49And they were just speaking about the shirts they swapped. One of them had Carlos and Cam. I was like, oh my god, unreal. But yeah, it'll be a similar experience, I'm sure. Have you earmarked a shirt to swap? Is that still done? No, I'm not really. I always think going into the game, like, yeah, I love to swap a shirt and then you either just forget or like emotions, either you're celebrating and you forget or you're fuming and you forget. So I've not done it for a while. You must have had a lot of requests for shirt swapping, mustn't you? Yeah, I never used to swap shirts or ask anyone. and it was only when I had kids and kids asking you to swap shirts with people.

8:30But yeah, I was the same. I felt bad asking people because normally if you beat them, I know how I felt when we lose a game. But yeah, I had a lot of people asking. A lot of people are saying Scotland can get out of the group. Yeah, that's got to be your ambition. I think a big thing for us is, you know, it took us so long to qualify again for a World Cup and no Scottish team's ever got out of a group stage at a World Cup. So we're absolutely desperate to be the first team and kind of take that extra step. You look at the weight we've had coming into this World Cup and it was similar going into the Euros when it took us so long to qualify for that.

9:10There was a feeling of, you know, just especially the first Euros, like, you know, everything a bit brand new, not knowing what to expect. I think this time we've got a bit of a chip on our shoulder that we want to kind of do something at this tournament, especially after the last one in Germany it was incredible experience but I do think a few of us left that thinking you know what what could have been which is you know so do you think there's a pressure on you to do better now or is it an expectation a pressure that we put on ourselves um I think we felt that pressure in the qualifying campaign because you know naturally it was an aging group and you think this is going to be our last chance to to go to a world cup so you naturally put it on yourself but we like to think that we can do well against the best teams in Europe.

9:56I think it was BBC for the match they've ended last year and they asked us to do a prediction on the phone for the World Cup and my prediction was Scotland would get to the quarter finals and I think Scotland will do well I really like the team and I think Steve Clarke has done such an incredible job there and I think what Scotland now have got is players obviously with with Scott going out to Italy and with that experience they've got I think they've got better players than what they've had over the last 10 years and it's come together as a group and they're hard to play against Scotland they always the only thing which I think might hold Scotland back hold it back and England as well I think is the heat out there the humidity and the altitude is obviously playing out there it's so difficult is it?

10:43yeah it's it's actually not playing Look at the fear in his eyes It's not actually the playing It's the recovery It takes a little bit longer to recover So it's just getting used to it So I think going out there a little bit earlier Will help to acclimatise Because it's so different When you say the recovery What about the recovery is hard? So when you're playing it's not that bad In the altitude you're breathing A little bit different But when you're playing it's not that bad But normally when you're recovering After a couple of days you're okay it's probably a next day to recover from it because it just takes out here and you feel a bit tired and it's just it's mad it's just different Has there been a change not a change in mentality but given the fact that you've been at the last couple of Euros is there a bit of a I suppose Wayne said it as well like having players like Scott McTominay have gone on to do what they do you've got likes of Andy Roberts and I don't want to list them all because I'll miss off the players that have kind of won trophies but has there been a bit of a change of mentality would you say with Scotland?

11:45Over the years, yeah, probably since Steve Clark came in and it kind of coincided with Andy becoming the captain. And just because of the level he plays at, I think he just knows what it takes to be elite and what needed to be changed around the kind of national setup. He's done that incredibly well. And then thankfully this kind of generation, as we've spoken about, like Scotty going out to Italy, Billy Gilmore the same, a few younger boys playing in Italy. other players playing at a good level in England. It's something that we didn't really have like 10, 20 years ago. So it's, you know, it's so cool to see.

12:23And it just helps kind of mentally. If you're playing against these big nations and you're used to playing against these players week in, week out, it just kills that kind of fear factor or anything like that. You feel a lot more belief in yourself that you can compete against them. Scott McTominay is someone we haven't really spoken about too much this season, Wayne. But obviously he's someone you've got a vested interest in. and I'm sure you've been impressed by what he's done. Yeah, he's been an incredible member. Come to the academy at Man United and he was mad because there was this, he was small, he was a small lad.

12:55And then over the space of a year, he just went massive. And then I think what Scott is, I couldn't believe Man United let him go when he did because he's obviously, he works extremely hard and at the time they let him go, he was actually one of the players who you wanted on the pitch every week because you felt like players weren't working or weren't giving the best. And he was impactful. He was playing in a more advanced role from the field and he was scoring important goals. And when Man United let him go, I was thinking, wow, what's going on here? But you'd love to have him back at Man United now.

13:34But I think what he's going to bring, obviously going out to Italy, winning the play of the year over there, and now he's experienced something incredible, which as you spoke about with Andy Robertson, you've got now a few players who are playing at that top level. Yourself now at Bournemouth, you've got players playing at an unbelievable level, which will filter down into the rest of the squad. You're going to have some players, I'd assume, from the Championship, from playing in Scotland as well, who it's on you guys then to raise them standards and get them players up to speed for the World Cup.

14:07what is scott like as a teammate um ultimate professional that i've seen um i think when he was first coming through at manu and he first came into the international setup you could tell straight away like we we probably caught him at the end of that growth spurt where it was like he was just coming into himself a bit and like properly throwing himself about in training um the difference i've noticed the last few years especially since he's gone to napoli in terms of like his diet, gym work. He's just like an absolute athlete. I think he, he's, he's wanting to find every kind of 1 % in this game.

14:40Um, and like Wayne said, this is like an inspiration naturally watching that in front of you. And then he goes back to Napoli and, you know, wins the league with them and you see like it pay off, um, with the work he's putting in. Um, so yeah, it's, it's, it's a credit to himself of, of how he's kind of, um, you know, progressed on since since leaving my united obviously is a massive play for us now too is he one of the leaders in that group he's probably quieter i'd say he leads by you know example in terms of i think we will look to him to change game obviously what happened in the denmark is the perfect scenario you know you go into these games and you know um you think there's there's probably going to need to be a moment of magic we had three in that game luckily enough but obviously this is quite a red kick is just completely ridiculous um I don't think there's many other people in the pitch they can do that so you know a special special player to have in your team um Steve Clark you've mentioned him already the fact that when he came in things started to change what is he like to be managed by he's brilliant um I can't really speak highly enough um he's just gonna completely change the setup from from when I came in the feeling of it all when I first joined like international football I know I was a bit younger and probably a bit quieter but like I was like counting down the days until I could go back home and it's the polar opposite now why was it why I don't know it was a kind of transition period so there was kind of like an older generation of players that were coming to the end there was new ones we didn't really have a manager in place my first um camp was uh an interim manager Malcolm the Mackay so it was all a bit up in the air and um yeah you didn't really just feel gelled at all as a as a squad whereas now it's just like the the polar opposite I mean if we're meeting up on like a Monday everyone flies up the Saturday night to spend like an extra day with each other and stuff it's you know it's brilliant I've obviously played against these guys since like the youth in Scotland like John McGinn and Andy so um you know like a decade on the journey we've kind of been on now to go to a World Cup is pretty cool but you just become mates like you just meet up with your mates every couple of months and you get to play football on the side of it as class.

16:53But how does he do that? How do you change a kind of culture? Because it's something that's been spoken about a lot with England over recent years and maybe you can I think you always enjoyed going and playing for England didn't you? Yeah I loved I'd never pulled out obviously unless I was I couldn't I couldn't play I was injured but I love meeting up with England and I've seen players pull out of England as well with injuries and they're under pressure from the managers if they're playing Champions League and stuff but Fergie used to try and get me to play 45 minutes in friendly games and stuff so I'd be like yeah yeah and then I'd get to England and I'd be like yeah I want to play 90 minutes I love playing but I suppose winning is winning games of football is probably the biggest thing because no one likes losing and when you're losing everyone's looking for why you're losing and then you get frictions and that happens I suppose everywhere so I think winning games of football but then I think around the place if you can change the culture make the lads want to be around it but for me the biggest thing is having players having leaders in there who create an atmosphere around the whole camp which you enjoy, you want to be around you want to spend time there that's the biggest thing for me if you don't have that there's little groups or little splits of groups around the place then it becomes like you know you end up back in your room and you're watching you know series all day and stuff like that and i don't think that's healthy for anyone just creating an environment with with the staff as well the staff is so important yeah in that you know how many times you go and sit sit around in the in the physio massage room or something and the lads having banter and stuff like that because you need to fill that time i think when you you do that in in a positive way then people going to be there how did he change the culture then did he do any kind of specific team bonding things i know like with ingham with gareth southgate they brought in the psychologist was it was there anything that he did to try and get you guys to be friends i guess you can't force people to be friends but maybe to make an environment where everyone felt better yeah probably a few different aspects i think um he he puts a big amount of trust in us in terms of if we have a day off or if um you know we get to go play golf or something there's a full trust that we're you know we're not going to take advantage of that or anything like that um and then over the years he's it's just been like a loyalty thing in terms of he's managed to keep a real good core of players obviously naturally it helps that we've been successful along with that so you know it makes him easier to do that but um you know when it's constantly chopping and changing and it's probably a lot harder to to get that rhythm but as you know like I said the boys that are all going to the North World Cup now it's been a journey of like five six seven years for some of us all together so along with the manager and yeah listen for me he's got to go down as one of the greatest Scottish managers of all time.

19:49He comes across in the press and I've interviewed him as very serious and very I'd be scared of him I think if I was a player does he have that side to him? I've not seen him lose the head too many times By the way, I said that in the most, I meant that in the most respectful way, in a good way. Like you feel like when he walks into an interview room, you're like, oh, you've got that aura about you, if you know what I mean. Yeah. He's actually very good at, I think, keeping his emotions parked, especially like at halftimes. I think in one of our games in the qualifying, I saw him going nuts. Thankfully, I was suspended for that.

20:27I was on the receiving end of it. But I think it was the only time I've seen him properly lose the head at halftime normally it's very kind of tactical driven showing us kind of clips um in our little 15 minutes and stuff or before games and I think after the Denmark game was one of the times I've rarely seen him properly smile and and enjoy himself a little bit which was cool to see because I think for us as players naturally we knew how much it would mean to him to take that off his list yeah it does feel like it he's like obviously Scottish but like a proper Scott it means so much to him like that's the pinnacle for him yeah i think he'd mentioned that a few times he mentioned it before the game how how desperate he was to to get the chance to represent um this country as a manager at a world cup um and you know the way that kind of qualifying group went all going down to to the last game against denmark it was i mean it's easy to say now that we went through but it felt like it was kind of written in the stars for it to to go like that and um and yeah obviously buzzing for us that we've got to do that.

21:25You think of back-to-back tournaments for Scotland, which is rare, isn't it, really? And then you said before about trying to be the first Scottish team to get out the group of World Cup. When you think of the players like Daglish, Souness, Archie Gemmell, some of these great players that Scotland have. So that must feature... I was just thinking about them while you're talking, for you to be able to do that and, you know, eclipse some of these great players that Scotland have. that must be a massive drive for you to try and eclipse that. Yeah, those players you mentioned there, and you still see them around handing them stuff, and when we're playing, they are the Mount Rushmore of Scottish football, and you look up to these.

22:13So the thought of surpassing them, obviously they laid the grounds for Scottish football. we had a bit of a disconnect like you said which was when I was growing up I didn't get to watch like Scotland play Euros or World Cup so it was just always us falling short so yeah it's hard to obviously put yourself in the same bracket as them but fingers crossed we can go and match or do better like you said Take the leash off your laptop with the processor that gives you long battery life. Work on the go jump between back to back calls stay locked in from brewing morning coffee to burning the midnight oil.

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24:17Have you got loads of family and stuff coming out? Yeah, I'm from Inverness. I think I've got half the city flying over. You know what? I'm trying to say this in a nice way. That's probably one of the worst things about it because the amount of people up for tickets and you're just like, try and get them done early. Because the amount of people going up for tickets and organising tickets for everyone, it's one of the worst things about it. Don't tell him that. He's going to be cancelling all his family's flights out there. how many are we talking? not actually too many family 10 family but I've got a fair few mates that are that are headed out and trying to wangle their way in for a ticket so I think I need to get the bingo balls out for who's getting a ticket yeah it must be tough because I imagine for all of the Scotland squad there's going to be a lot of family heading out it's such a monumental moment there's going to ticket who sorted the tickets for England how did that work?

25:03yeah you just have a lady from the FA and but obviously you're you've got people texting you constantly for tickets and time to organize it and then i got to a point where i'd like to say to clean you can touch them and and sort it because i'm i didn't want to do it it was so you need to assign someone to sort out your tickets on your behalf yeah i wanted to ask you a bit about the unofficial scotland anthem which is that yes sir is that what's called yes sir you can boogie how did that become the anthem? When we qualified for the first Euros in Serbia we just we were obviously I wasn't even there I had to do drug testing after that game so I just got escorted to a random room I was fuming but all the boys were buzzing

25:56I smashed against Wales when we beat Wales at Euro 2016 I smashed the rumour the three qualifying games I got done I got drug tested in every qualifying game at Euro 2016 Is it random? Well you say it's random but what was happening is I was getting drug tested and when I go in there all the officials who were taking the test were pulling shirts out and asked me to sign them and stuff Oh wait So I was fuming so I was like it's meant to be random so I was saying I'm getting brought in so we played wild and then Ramsey and other lads were in there and then me and well I can't remember the England players and I've smashed the rule I've got a big fan and stuff here but Don't do that Ryan Yeah but I was fuming and but you missed and then Champions League final when we won it and Van der Sarge got took away and missed out on all the celebrations and the restrooms so I think there needs to be a bit understand the situation and let you be with your team as well especially on big moments Who knew that me asking about a Scotland anthem would leave Yeah you've got me wrong now Yeah sorry any other instance you want to mention no so you were in the drug testing room yeah sorry going back to where you were not smashing up the room yeah Kieran Tierney is like the team DJ he's always on the speaker and he's just put that song on for some reason and there was like a few videos of us in the change room to this song like bouncing about that have gone viral and it just kind of took off from there to be honest but you kind of adopted it like if I hear it now I just think of Scotland I know it's bizarre whoever wrote that song I don't even know who it is but she's due us a few pints now for making her it's like the girl who done the Jet 2 one she must be buzzing I know it's every way picked up again why do you mean the Jet 2 girl no because I was thinking about that the other week actually and that song's like all over the place I don't think Jess Glynn would get a mention on this podcast there we go yeah there's a World Cup song was still a thing.

28:01Did you have them during New York? There was like anthems wasn't there? It's still three to him. Just three lines. Three lines. They used to do like FA Cup songs as well which I used to love like when I was growing up you'd have like FA Cup songs did they? Yeah. FA Cup final songs yeah. FA Cup final songs so when they get to a final they're the first songs. So everything's done in 95 all together now. Ah okay. But yeah I'm just a bit ignorant sometimes. Yeah they used to do yeah you've seen Liverpool ones and then they'll just do it. so do you still do do you have an actual anthem to Scotland or have you just adopted that one what a national anthem no I know they have a national anthem I also know that three lines isn't our national anthem just to clarify no I don't think so I don't think we've got an actual like song that somebody's wrote for us going out I think we had one at one of the Euros a couple of years ago but nothing yet okay it is mad though a lot of the teams are doing like Adele songs and stuff after the games I'm like what's happening did Natasha Bedingfield.

29:02Did you see that? And then, no, who's on there? Burnley. When, I think when they went up, it was Natasha Bedingfield. she was in. Yeah. It was like Steve Bunton was there, the Coventry the other day, and at first I was like, how is he a Coventry fan? Why is he a Coventry fan? Just jumping on the band. There's a lot of people that have become Coventry fans over the last six weeks. Are you going to mention? No, I'm not mentioning names, but there's been a lot of people. We're really digressing here. I was starting the anthem chat to try and find out a little bit more about the dressing room you mentioned kieran tierney there is the dj yeah who's the biggest kind of joker in the scotland dressing room john mcginn by a mile i should have thought of that actually yeah he's just non-stop um he's brilliant to be fair because like if you're like a new boy coming in or a young boy all the best for mcginn he's just straight on your case um but he's quality yeah every dinner time everything like court cases and stuff if somebody's done something wrong he's always leaving it.

29:57Court cases? Yeah we've had a few of them boys are getting like haircuts in camp and not offering out haircuts to everyone else who's needing a haircut that's a bad one. Did that ever happen to you or anything like that? I'll get me a cut every five days. No you picked it didn't you? No I'm not as stylish as someone but when I was in the English squad some of the players were every few days I think Ross Barkley on holiday is same barber as me and I think it was every day took his barber on holiday yeah that's a serious practical question though what do you do about haircuts when you're at World Cup I don't think I'm really too bothered about every haircut everyone's laughing but I'm sorry but you're on TV every few days with England anyway serious question the lads will fly the barbers over no did you fly yours no Ross Bloom so I saved a bit of money what are your plans with that Ryan serious questions I ask the hard-hitting journalism questions.

30:53Andy Robertson normally sorts somebody to come out and we'll have an afternoon and everyone just gets their air call. Do you ever remember the Romania team? It was one World Cup where they came out and all of them had dyed their hair blonde. Yeah, that was one of my favourite World Cup. They all came out blonde and the commentators were having a hard time trying to identify every player. Were you the John McGinn in terms of being the joker of the England dressing room, do you reckon? No. We used to do the same in Test. We used to hold court cases and stuff. Is it real? flight there no I couldn't be bothered doing all that I think James Milner actually was quite big into that and doing that but I was with John McGinn in IB the last year oh my gosh spent a day with him yeah that's a combo isn't it and Jack Jack Reelish we spent it it was a good day Wayne how much of it can you remember all of it well I'm telling you guys it was a good day but I think again with John McGinn you know we've seen him at Villa in the Championship and then coming to a Villa and all the changes at Villa which they've made I think he's a real inspiration and that's what I was saying before about the players Scotland have got they've got some some players who've been through a journey yourself you know Scott's gone on his journey now and so they've got they've got inspirational players for the younger players who were in that squad to look at and say do you know what and them lads who were in the Championship can look at you know yourself and John McGinn and say do you know what these lads were playing in the championship not so long ago and now John's been in the Champions League he's in a European club final Ryan's on the verge of getting Champions League so these news are inspirational to these players so I think that's where Scotland has changed over the last few years and that's why I think they'll do well in this world Does it feel weird hearing Wayne say that?

32:40I've got friends that support Scotland they never want England to do well and is it weird that we all you want Scotland to do well don't you? I do yeah I'm not I've got friends who are Scottish you know for me it doesn't it doesn't bother me really I'd rather them do well Ryan's keeping very quiet on this topic no I used to I used to be bad for it when I was younger I would celebrate whoever was playing England but like when you get older and especially being in football and then you like Wayne says you like all of a sudden you know people who are playing for that team or obviously living down in England now as well have you got kids?

33:17Yeah, a little man. Born in England? Aye. So there you go, now he's got an English son. Is mum English or Scottish? His mum's Scottish. Oh, okay. I always see when people say that, they say that Jesus was born in a stable, but he's not a horse, is he? Very good, very good. I have a fletched, I reflect you all the time. That was one handbook, because there's two lads who were born in England. But your kids, so you're a very proud scouse. Your kids don't live in Liverpool. So would you say that, are your kids still scouse? They were born in Liverpool. Oh, okay. All right. I thought I'd get you there, but I didn't.

33:50They're scouts, aren't they? No, no. That was the one thing. Obviously, we knew we were going to get brought up in Cheshire, but we made sure they were all born in Liverpool. Have they got Liverpool accents? No. Oh, does that hurt? Yeah. Move on. Going back to your teammates, away from Wayne's kids. Who's the... I don't write all of these questions, I'd like to point out. Who's the most intelligent? Wayne, if you want to say your most intelligent England teammate, I'm like, well, I'm asking Ryan what he thinks. Man, I'll tell you it wasn't. Even better? What's intelligent? I don't know, actually.

34:26Lamps? I don't know because obviously he'd done well in school, but football's a different intelligence. Of course, he's an intelligent, very intelligent lad on the pitch. He read the game really well, but I wouldn't... David James always thought he was intelligent, but he wasn't.

34:50Why are you just going to get himself in trouble the longer he thinks about this? To be honest, probably Guy Neville. Most intelligent player. He'll love that answer as well. Player to play with. Ryan? I'll go either Kenny McLean or Grant Hanley. I think that just comes with age, doesn't it? So basically you just pick the oldest players? Yeah. Just got my life experience. Toughest player, who do you want beside you if it kicks off? I've got Lewis Ferguson Okay Yeah He's I've played In midfield with him A couple of times I like playing with him Because I think He's going to be Flying into tackles Right beside me Which I quite like I've played against him As well when he was younger And he was just coming through When I was at Celtic And I didn't like Playing against him Like throwing Like nipping me And I thought Who is this little So yeah It's good when he's On your side I reckon your England teammates Might have said you For that question yeah well we had a big I can't go into too much but we had a big scrap in the tunnel of turkey away I hate it when you start a story with that you can't go into it much you does this a lot I was 17 it was when Bex missed the penalty and there was a big scrapper half time whatever but yeah if it's going off then I think you're going to be in there did you get involved his heat map would have been crazy okay try and get it out of him I think me and Big Emile were right now yeah to be fair Emile Heskey you'd want a long side as well wouldn't you okay not going to give us any more on that are you nope loudest John McGinn again or who else Liam Kelly okay one of the goalies he's a funny boy but yeah McGinn honestly I cannot like he is non-stop I've never ever heard him be quiet for like more than two minutes Sometimes that's tiring as well, isn't it?