The healthiest president of all time

0:00Astead Herndon:Okay, quick question for President Trump. You good, bro? Donald Trump, as everyone now knows, has this weird thing going on with his hand. Nicki Minaj in a white fur coat, holding President Donald Trump's discolored hand. In the past, the U.S. president has appeared to fall asleep multiple times during Oval Office announcements and Cabinet meetings. Trump's cankles. The White House revealed the president got a recent checkup after noticing swelling in his lower legs. Well, he is almost 80. How's his brain doing? Our stock market took the first dip yesterday because of Iceland. Um, I think he meant Greenland.

0:36Because they want to keep those people that are lying on the floor. They want to keep those people in Minnesota, but they really don't. Huh.

0:44Astead Herndon:The president says he's never been healthier, of mind and body. But is he? A look at the evidence and why the evidence matters. Coming up on Today Explained.

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1:43Grab a what? Cancel that. I gotta grab these big savings on the Walmart app online and in-store like right now. See who? Nope, unavail. The only thing I want to see are the prices just lowered on Tech Home and all my must-haves. Wait, you want to shop Walmart with me? All righty. I think I can fit you in. Mr. President, do you have any reaction to today's play being named the best news show? Wow. I didn't know that. I just, you're telling me now for the first time. My name is Ben Terrace. I am the Washington correspondent for New York Magazine, and I cover Washington. So lots of politics for me.

2:24Astead Herndon:One thing I love about your work is that you always seem to take on reporting targets that maybe other folks seem to be avoiding or kind of things that aren't necessarily directly in front of us. And that's no different than what you did in your latest piece in which you took a look at Donald Trump's health. Now, I want to ask, like, what was the catalyst for this piece? So last year, at the end of the year, I was talking with my editors about, you know, what are some of the big questions in Washington that people have? And one of the biggest ones is just, is Donald Trump OK? We've all been watching him for years now, but especially, you know, in the last year, there's been more questions about him, right?

3:02His health, the bruising on his hands, the swollen cankles, the falling asleep in meetings, even more rambling than normal when he gives speeches and press conferences. I said to my mother, Mom, she would be always there for me. She said, son, you could be a professional baseball player. I said, thanks, Mom. And before sitting down with him, you know, I'd been reading some books by members of his family. I talked to his niece, Mary Trump. Mary Trump says sometimes when she looks at Donald Trump, you know, speaking in the public square, she sees flashes of her grandfather when he had dementia, Alzheimer's.

3:39I don't know if he has it or not, but I wanted to ask him about it. And so he started saying, my father was so healthy. He had no problems. His heart couldn't be stopped. He did have one problem, though, Trump told me. And he said, late in life he had, what's the word for it? And he pointed to his head. And Caroline Levitt, the press secretary, sitting next to me, and she kind of rescued him in that moment and said, Alzheimer's. And he said, yeah, yeah, Alzheimer's. He had an Alzheimer's thing. Well, I don't have it. And, you know, when somebody forgets the word Alzheimer's, you have to kind of pause and wonder what's going on there.

4:13Do I think he has Alzheimer's? I have no idea. I'm not a doctor. I would never pretend to be a doctor. But this is a guy who says that his memory is impeccable. I think Marco Rubio told me that Donald Trump's memory is unparalleled. And then you see moments like that and you're like, OK, well, maybe it is paralleled.

4:33Astead Herndon:Yeah, I mean, it has definitely bubbled up more and more, even in his first year back in office. Like, what are the concerns with Trump's health that you uncover? Well, I mean, the story I set out to write about was to figure out whether he's healthy or not. And it kind of ended up being a story about whether the government is healthy or not. You know, there's kind of an infection that has spread throughout Trump's inner circle where everybody who talks about him talks about him in the kind of craziest, most North Korean type dear leader way. Where instead of just saying, you know, he's healthy for an almost 80 year old, he's slowing down a little bit, but, you know, he's doing pretty well.

5:10He's certainly healthy enough to be president. People talk about him in these terms that are just completely outrageous. You know, superhuman, kind of the healthiest man alive. You know, he told me he was healthier than he was 40 years ago. He can work harder and he has a better memory and he has more stamina and has more energy than a normal mortal, Deputy Chief of Staff Stephen Miller told me. The headline of your story should be The Superhuman President. New York Magazine, January 2026. You know, I didn't get any smoking gun that he's about to die or suffering from Alzheimer's. I mean, you know, there's certain things in the reporting where, you know, you might raise an eyebrow and think, hmm, like, you know, is he as OK as he says he is?

5:53But I certainly don't believe that he's the healthiest man alive. I mean, the guy doesn't exercise. He doesn't eat well. Because no matter who you are, everyone loves something at McDonald's. There's always something to have. I like the fish. You know, he drinks enough Diet Coke to fill a football stadium. And, you know, you just can't quite trust the people around him. And I felt like the story I published said a lot about Trump's America, not just Trump's health.

6:23Astead Herndon:Yeah, yeah. I want to ask about the hand, the bruised hand that you mentioned earlier, which has obviously been a spark for some of these concerns. Did you get any answers on what that is coming from or just the level of severity? I mean, it looks bad. Yeah. I mean, I've been, you know, kind of on bruise watch myself. And when I got to the Oval Office for my interview, we shook hands. He had a really soft, warm hand, which was surprising. But on the back, it was very dry, a big kind of rhino hide-like bruise on the back. And I asked him about it, and I asked the doctors about it. And what he claims is that he is on an aspirin regimen on a much higher dose than even his doctors want him to be on.

7:11And he says he's on aspirin because he wants, quote, thin blood. He doesn't want thick blood. He wants thin blood. And because he takes so much aspirin, he bruises very easily. The doctors confirmed this is what's going on. He says because he bruises easily and because he shakes just a ton of hands, he's always bruising. You know, there's always these big burly men with sausage-like fingers who are crying. They're so happy to see him who just want to shake his hand and squeeze it. And so he says that's why he bruises. He has these cuts on the back of his hands often. He claims that's from women's fingernails and rings.

7:44Can I prove that's exactly why he has these bruises on the back of his hand? No, but it's certainly an outlandish and kind of silly explanation for, you know, why he's got the bruises he has.

7:55Astead Herndon:Well, I'm going to ask also about that White House meeting. You know, this could be a sensitive topic, talking to the president about his health, about speculations around his kind of decaying or possibly decaying health. Did this interview come easy? Did the White House invite you? Like, I'm curious of some of the logistics to how open they were to this discussion of his health. It honestly came about easier than I expected. Look, I went into the White House early in my process and I was transparent about what I wanted to write about. I didn't pretend that I wanted to talk to the president about anything else.

8:28I didn't pretend that I wanted to talk to his inner circle about other things. I said, look, there's a big question about the president's health. Lots of people think they have the answer. The internet all believes they know. You know, half the internet thinks he's going to die tomorrow. Trump is dying. I think he's going to be around for six to eight months tops. The other half of the internet thinks he's going to live forever. And I want to clarify the picture. And there's not a lot of people who really know the answer. There's Donald Trump. There's his inner circle. There's his doctor. and they made a lot of people available.

8:57It was kind of surprising. Before I got to talk to Donald Trump, it was not clear I was going to get to talk to Donald Trump. But before I talked to him, you know, they made time for me to go to the White House and sit down with Marco Rubio. He's got like 40 jobs and he's, you know, took time out of his busy day to sit with me in Caroline Levitt's office and talk to me about how the president was, quote, too healthy. You know, he was like telling these stories that kind of he was debasing himself in a way. Like, when I ride on Air Force One, I need to take a nap. And so I hide in a blanket. I wrap myself like a mummy covering my head.

9:32And I do that because I know that at some point on the flight, he's going to emerge from the cabin and start prowling the hallways to see who's awake. I want him to think it's a staffer who fell asleep. I don't want him to see his secretary of state sleeping on a couch and think, oh, this guy is weak. And so I kind of went on this journey around Washington, and talking to people who work with the president who just wanted to build him up like the most impressive, powerful man with the best health that they'd ever been around in their life. Did it feel as bizarre as it reads, as it kind of sounds?

10:04Yeah, I mean, it was the most bizarre reporting experience of my life. I mean, like, without a doubt. The whole thing felt like a series of plays that were put on just for me, where everybody was kind of acting and playing a part. And my job was to watch them and keep them talking, right? I knew I wasn't going to get to the bottom of Donald Trump's health by talking to Marco Rubio. But by talking to him and by talking to Trump's inner circle, I could kind of get to the bottom of how the White House operates. And so I was just watching this whole thing unfold just for me in real time. Yeah, I mean, we've all seen Donald Trump at his cabinet secretary meetings where for three hours they go around the table praising him.

10:42You are fixing everything with your policies. You have changed America and created the golden age. We've seen this. This is how they operate. But to have it done kind of on an individual scale was a very surreal experience for me.

10:55Astead Herndon:You talk about Trump's health, but he famously has a very unhealthy diet. I mean, I love McDonald's, and that man's got me beat. He can't be eating things that RFK Jr. approves of. To make America healthy again. Like, how did he talk about his diet? And how is this perfect picture of health even possible, considering the amount of Diet Cokes he consumes? So a lot of people around him talked to me about his diet, and they called it, you know, horrendous. You know, a senior aide who said that they don't think that they've ever seen him eat a vegetable, right? He admits this. He admits that he's not a picture of healthy eating or healthy exercising, right?

11:34There's been reporting in the past about how he sort of believes the human body is like a battery that has a finite amount of energy, so he doesn't want to use up his energy. But, like, he believes that nothing matters more than genetics. and you know the thing about Donald Trump that we have to remember is he is in the Oval Office in this moment he's the white he's the president of the United States and he said this to me he's like why would I change anything we're in the Oval Office right now like why would I change my diet why would I change the way I exercise why would I change the way I operate as a person because everything I've ever done has got me to this moment where he says he's a healthy guy and he's the most powerful person in the world he is not going to change he wants people to change for him.

12:18Astead Herndon:We've heard what Trump said. We've heard what folks around him have said. I want to also expressly ask, like, what did the doctor say? What did his doctors tell you about his health? And should we buy what they're selling? I mean, the doctors, I mean, the doctors were, like I said, part of this play put on just for me. When I showed up to the Oval Office, they were holding pieces of paper that said talking points on the top of it, right? So they had things they wanted to get through. Were those talking points accurate? I don't know, but they definitely wanted to say them. They told me that he was as healthy as he says he is.

12:51One of them said that, you know, they did an EKG of his heart and he appears to be a 64-year-old or a 65-year-old, according to the AI data that they, you know, that they found. At the end of my interview, Caroline Levitt turns to one of the doctors and says, oh, you worked for the Obamas, didn't you? And as soon as she said that, I was like, oh, well, I got just the question to ask here. And so I asked the doctor, well, who's healthier, President Obama or President Trump? And Trump is sitting right there, staring across the desk at the doctors, you know, making direct eye contact. And without any hesitation, the doctor says, oh, President Trump.

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17:25Astead Herndon:This is Today Explained. I'm Estet Herndon, and we're back with Ben Terris of New York Magazine. There has been some historic skittishness around reporting around the president's health. I remember when I was doing reporting about how the electorate felt that Biden was too old for a second term, how controversial some of that stuff was. It's a huge mistake. They're not doctors. They don't know whether Biden is physically capable of carrying out a second term or not. I was wondering, did you experience any of that skittishness when it came to reporting on Trump? I think the fact that we went through the Biden era has made reporting on this topic easier in a way.

18:03I mean, it's still difficult because you can't get to the bottom of it. But it made people more willing to talk maybe to – it made journalists more willing to kind of go for these stories, for editors to assign them. because, you know, we went through this period of time with Biden where he aged in front of all of our eyes and people were too skittish in some ways to write about it. And now there's a correction to that. And so I think there has been more of a focus on Trump's age than there might have been if we didn't just go through the Biden era.

18:35Astead Herndon:I'm curious, though, for you as someone writing on it, does that comparison feel fair? I mean, Biden, of course, may have physically looked different, But there was a lot of Democrats who were arguing that, you know, that he was still kind of in capacity to do the job, that we didn't even see some of the things we see from Trump on a daily basis. Like, what do you think it is about Trump that allows his kind of health concerns to maybe exist as a side offering where Biden seems so front and center? I think it's definitely fair to draw some comparisons, if for no other reason, than they're both old, right?

19:10I mean, Donald Trump is about to be 80 years old. Just by dint of that fact, it's a worthwhile story to cover. But yeah, there's definitely differences between the two of them. One reason I think that Trump is able to, you know, kind of quote unquote get away with some things that could be signs of aging is that they could also just be signs of Donald Trump being Donald Trump, right? He has been a kind of chaotic figure for a long time. He's got this rambling way of talking. He says unhinged, outrageous stuff. The windmills are driving the whales crazy, obviously. He did that 15 years ago. He does that now.

19:47Are there differences in the way that he communicates between now and then? Sure, of course. But it's not as stark as if and when Biden starts to, you know, show signs of deteriorating, right? Because Biden was such a serious guy who kind of spoke in your traditional politician way that as soon as there was slippage, you could notice it a lot easier. And so I think Donald Trump makes it a little bit harder because it's really hard to know when he's being just regular Donald Trump or where he's being Donald Trump with, I don't know, a health issue.

20:21Astead Herndon:But I also want to ask about something that does seem similar from this moment of Trump and Biden's previous presidency, which is that, you know, the president and their aides basically kept telling you not to believe your own eyes. In this instance, you have Trump dozing off in meetings and AIDS saying, oh, that was just his thinking pose. When I asked about whether Trump was catching Zs during those heavy-lidded moments on camera, Rubio scoffed. It's a listening mechanism, he said. Like, for you as a reporter, like, how did you react when you heard that? And how did that make the reporting of the story maybe more difficult?

20:58In some ways, it made it more difficult just because it's hard to trust people if they're telling you things that you just can't believe, right? In other ways, it made the reporting of the story easier because I could just lay it out and the readers could see what I've seen and they could see what they've seen and then see how it's described by the Trump administration. And without me even having to kind of characterize it, they could say, well, that doesn't feel like what I saw. You know, one thing that did not make it into the story, I'll talk about it with you for the first time. This is a little exclusive.