In short
The episode explains why health insurance costs are rising and how to choose plans during open enrollment.
Guests
Lisa Jarvis, a health care reporter for Bloomberg; Julie Rovner, chief Washington correspondent for KFF Health News and host of What the Health; Dylan Scott, senior Vox correspondent covering health and the health care system.
Key claims
premiums are going up across most insurance types due to both higher prices and higher utilization; aging baby boomers, delayed pandemic care, and newer high-cost treatments (e.g., GLP-1 weight loss drugs) increase usage. Price drivers include the U.S.’s comparatively unregulated provider pricing. Open-enrollment guidance covers HMO vs PPO, premiums vs deductibles vs copays, and high-deductible plans with HSAs vs FSAs (FSAs must be spent within the year).
Notable examples
using outpatient vs inpatient care for cheaper costs; cash-paying for generic drugs; and health care cost-sharing ministries growing to about 1.7M enrollees (Colorado estimate) but lacking ACA protections like pre-existing condition rules and benefit limits.
Written by AI. May contain mistakes. Listen to the episode to check what was said.
Chapters
Tap a time to open that second in VONavigating Car Insurance Claims
0:00 to 0:31
Discover a quick and efficient way to handle car insurance claims.
“Support for Today Explained comes from Fetch.”
Navigating Car Insurance Claims
0:36 to 1:34
Discover a quick and efficient way to handle car insurance claims.
“When I scraped my car in their parking garage, I was worried that it could be a long process to take care of it, like a landscaper's first day trimming a hedgeman.”
Health Insurance Enrollment Challenges
1:34 to 2:26
Understand the complexities of choosing health insurance and enrollment.
“and I still call my mom to try to figure out which plan is best for me.”
Choosing the Right Health Plan
2:26 to 4:13
Learn how to select the best health plan based on your needs.
“What all those acronyms mean, why we're paying so much more this year, and whether there's an alternative that actually works.”
Understanding Health Insurance Terms
4:13 to 6:39
Get a breakdown of key health insurance terms like premium, copay, and deductible.
“And that's because you've got this limited network of providers.”
High Deductible Plans Explained
6:39 to 7:45
Explore the pros and cons of high deductible health plans.
“That's through your employer and there's a limit similarly to an HSA and you're putting money aside and you have to spend it all in that calendar year.”
Employer-Sponsored Insurance Overview
7:45 to 9:07
Discuss the nuances of employer-sponsored insurance options.
“This whole process seems like it can be so confusing.”
Sticker Shock in Health Premiums
9:07 to 9:27
Prepare for rising healthcare costs and the implications for insurance selection.
“some of them with passing them on because they can't afford it all either.”
Sticker Shock in Health Premiums
9:50 to 10:38
Prepare for rising healthcare costs and the implications for insurance selection.
“You're going outside, running, walking, just to get active again.”
Rising Health Insurance Costs Explained
12:10 to 12:24
Examine the factors contributing to increasing health insurance prices.
“No matter where you get your insurance, whether it's through your job, the Affordable Care Act marketplace, or Medicare, the price is going up.”
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Rising Health Insurance Costs Explained
12:33 to 14:00
Examine the factors contributing to increasing health insurance prices.
“And she says that while the costs always go up, this time is different.”
The Rise of Health Care Costs
14:00 to 15:11
Explore the reasons behind the high costs of health care in the U.S.
“Everybody knows about the GLP-1 weight loss drugs that are so popular and so highly used right now.”
Impact of Insurance Market Changes
15:11 to 16:46
Understand how insurance market dynamics affect premiums and access.
“But it feels like when it comes to the price of things and the price of insurance, we kind of get punished for it.”
Employer-Sponsored Insurance Challenges
16:46 to 18:38
Discover how employers are affected by rising health care costs.
“And then the cost of that care is going to have to get passed along to somebody.”
Consumer Strategies to Reduce Costs
18:38 to 20:06
Learn about consumer actions to mitigate health care expenses.
“It's bad health care at far too high a price.”
Exploring Alternative Health Coverage
20:06 to 22:25
Examine alternative health insurance options and their implications.
“So I think we're sort of coming to another transition point where this is going to be back on the national agenda.”
The Growth of Health Care Cost Sharing
22:25 to 28:01
Review the rise and implications of health care cost-sharing ministries.
“That's the question I asked my colleague, Dylan Scott.”
The Challenges of Health Insurance Scaling
28:01 to 29:16
Learn about the issues facing health insurance ministries and the need for a comprehensive approach to healthcare costs.
“So you're basically just relying on sort of the goodwill of these ministries to pay out and just hoping that they have enough money to cover whatever your medical bills may be.”
Navigating Health Insurance Enrollment
29:16 to 30:25
Understand the complexities of health insurance sign-ups and the importance of individual considerations.
“I think instead what we need to do is we need to be looking at the whole system's costs, figuring out how to bring those down, which is hard and which is going to take some difficult work.”
Navigating Health Insurance Enrollment
30:28 to 31:22
Understand the complexities of health insurance sign-ups and the importance of individual considerations.
“and we even get into the history of why this all works the way it does.”
Transcript
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1:25Jonquilyn Hill:You guys, it's time. We got to choose our health insurance again.
1:33Jonquilyn Hill:Going to be honest, I've been off my parents' insurance for almost a decade now, and I still call my mom to try to figure out which plan is best for me. Because somehow it keeps getting more complicated. Hey, JQ, this is Natalie. when I signed up for my benefits, I was given a big book and I was told, read the book and pick your benefits. And I kept asking, what do these policies mean? Can someone help me understand all this information in this book? And I was told no. The benefit specialist kept telling me, I cannot pick your benefits for you. So if the HR specialist isn't helpful, who else are we supposed to ask on what these policies mean for us?
2:17Jonquilyn Hill:Well, Natalie, we got you. I'm John Gwinn-Hill, and today on Explain It to Me from Vox, we're going to make sense of open enrollment together. What all those acronyms mean, why we're paying so much more this year, and whether there's an alternative that actually works. First up, I talked to Lisa Jarvis. She writes about health care for Bloomberg, and she says that like with any major decision, the key to choosing insurance is to start by looking within. I would say the first thing to think about is how you use your health care. Are you going to the doctor regularly? Do you have a standing appointment with a health care provider that you want to make sure you can keep seeing that same provider?
3:01You know, do you have prescriptions that you take regularly? And then you want to look at what your options are. There's a few different kinds of plans that might be offered to you. There's an HMO, there's a PPO, and then there's some other things that are kind of in between. So an HMO, you're going to have to pick a primary care provider. That person is sort of determining how many other specialists you can see. You have to ask for permission. A PPO, you have a lot more flexibility. That one, you can go see a specialist usually without a referral. You can also see out-of-network people with a PPO plan.
3:36So I would be looking at how you're using your health insurance, what you think your health care needs might be going forward. for example, are you turning to an age where you suddenly need a little more visits to the doctor? Are you thinking that you might be growing your family in the next year? And just sort of weighing what you think you're going to need in the next year, and then looking closely at the fine print of your plans. Okay, when it comes to price, how do these plans shake out? So you'll notice that the HMO is probably going to be cheaper than the PPO. And that's because you've got this limited network of providers.
4:16You're not allowed to go out of network, right? And you have to kind of ask for permission to see specialists. The PPO is going to give you a lot more flexibility. And so it probably is going to be more expensive and you'll feel that.
4:28Jonquilyn Hill:Okay. So we got HMOs, we got PPOs. There's more jargon that shows up in open enrollment, and I'm hoping you can remind us what it means. The words I'm thinking of are premium, copay, and deductible. So there's a premium. That's what comes out of your paycheck. There's the deductible. That's how much money you need to pay before your health insurance kicks in for certain services. And then there's the copay. So every time you visit your doctor, it might be$25, it might be$40. That's how much money you pay and your insurance pays the rest of it. So there's another plan that I've heard about, and that's the high deductible plan.
5:09Jonquilyn Hill:What is that and how does that fit into these options? Yeah, so I think you want to think about how you're using health care. If you're someone who is not using a lot of health care, a high deductible plan might be good for you. What that means is you're paying very little in premiums. So the premium is the part that comes out of your paycheck, right? You see that number and it can feel really good to have it be a low number. But the trade-off could be a high deductible, meaning that you first are going to be paying a lot of money up front before your health insurance starts to kick in and pay for your coverage.
5:43You can also pair that with some other things like a health savings account, which can allow you to put some pre-tax dollars aside to help pay for that deductible. So it's complicated, but you want to think about how much you think you're going to be using your health care. And, you know, sometimes a high deductible plan might be an affordable choice for you and make a lot of sense.
6:04Jonquilyn Hill:Yeah, you talked about that health spending account. There's also a flexible spending account. What's the difference between those two? There are other ways that you can try to save some money on your health care expenditures for the year. There's an HSA, which basically is a way of taking pre-tax money out. You have to have a high deductible plan. That's the key to know in order to have an HSA. and then you can decide how much money you want to put aside. That money can roll over for year to year and it can also grow. So it can be invested. If you don't spend it, you can use it the next year.
6:38An FSA is a little different. That's through your employer and there's a limit similarly to an HSA and you're putting money aside and you have to spend it all in that calendar year. So you got to be careful about thinking about what you want to put aside. Usually there's either a little bit of wiggle room around tipping over that spending into the next year, or it could be that some employers could choose to let you carry a little of the money over a certain percentage of it for the full year. But you can use that for lots of things, the copay, the deductible. You can use it for what you buy at CVS.
7:13You'll look at the very end of your receipt at CVS and there'll be a line that says FSA eligible or HSA. That can be deducted. You can get that money back.
7:22Jonquilyn Hill:Yeah, I did discover that I could buy my fancy sunscreen with an FSA. That was exciting. I mean, I nerdily save all my CVS receipts. And at the end of the year, when I realize I am running out of time to spend my FSA money, I go through them all and I find all sorts of things I never would have expected are covered by an FSA. This whole process seems like it can be so confusing. Do you find it confusing? I mean, you cover this? I find it very confusing. My mother-in-law was trying to pick a plan through the ACA. I found it very hard to help her. Luckily, the ACA has navigators, so you can go to one of those people and they'll help you find your plan.
8:05When it comes to employer-sponsored insurance, you just really have to think about all the different ways that you might be paying or not paid, right? So you just have to think about how you're using your health care and how your insurance is covering what you might use. It's complicated. It can be a really, it's like trigonometry and algebra and geometry combined. I don't know, trying to calculate all the right factors and come up with the right choice. But I think ultimately trying to understand what your family can afford and what they use, you know, is also going to help you as you try to do the calculation of what makes the most sense for you.
8:47This year, when you open that email and from your HR and look at what the premiums are, you open up the, you know, Obamacare to find out what your plan will cost next year, you might experience a little sticker shock. Healthcare costs are going up and employers are trying to balance absorbing some of those costs or managing some of them with passing them on because they can't afford it all either. And so, you know, look at the fine print. It might be that your premium doesn't change, but it might be that there's more costs on the back end that you should be aware of. So I just think really paying extra close attention, this is the year to not just accept the plan that you've had every year and just weigh your options carefully.
9:33Jonquilyn Hill:You heard right. Premiums are about to go up. A lot. Coming up, we'll explain why.
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12:42Well, we are talking premiums going up pretty much across the board for every kind of health insurance right now. You know, we've had bigger inflationary spikes, particularly in the early 2000s. But for the last 15 years or so, health care costs have been rising, but not terribly fast. They seem to be accelerating again now. Why now? Well, there's a bunch of reasons, but they come down to sort of two things, price and utilization. Utilization is how many health care services people use. And obviously, the more services people use, the more the nation's health care bill goes up. So there's a lot of things that are driving expanded use right now.
13:24One of them is the aging of the baby boomers. I am one of them. As we get older, we suddenly get and need more health care. And to some extent, we're still catching up from health care that people didn't get during the pandemic, when nobody was leaving their houses and when you basically didn't go to the doctor unless you absolutely had to. So we're still seeing people not only getting care that they didn't get then, but people who didn't get care then and should have who are sicker than they might have been if they'd gotten preventive care or care early in the pandemic. So that's sort of driving up use.
13:59And then, of course, there's just new things that we can do. Everybody knows about the GLP-1 weight loss drugs that are so popular and so highly used right now. We have lots more new drugs. I mean, some of these are sort of amazing advances. It used to be you didn't want to do things and, you know, it was always cost-benefit, whether the benefit was worth the cost. And the cost was not just monetary. the cost was in how long you would be laid up if you had a joint replaced or had some kind of surgery. Now we have much easier surgeries. So it makes it much easier to do these things. So we're doing more of them.
14:36So that's just the usage side. Then there's the price side. And the price side, basically, you know, I can sum up in one sentence. We have the highest prices in the world because people who provide health care here can. The government doesn't regulate it nearly as much as they do in other countries. Most other countries do have hybrid systems. They do use some private insurance and some government subsidies. But they also, most of them that don't have spending out of control, have much more serious regulation of prices than the United States has.
15:10Jonquilyn Hill:It's really wild because we should be going to the doctor. We should be taking care of ourselves. But it feels like when it comes to the price of things and the price of insurance, we kind of get punished for it. Yeah, we do. And, you know, one thing that I didn't mention is that because we now spend so much on health care that it's like 18 percent of our GDP, lots of people who would like to earn money are going into health care. So we have people sort of encouraging possibly unneeded health care to make a profit. So there's that piece of it also, in addition to the things that we should do and that end up costing us money.
15:48Jonquilyn Hill:Is there a difference in, you know, the rise in costs we're seeing for those of us who get employer-sponsored insurance versus those of us who get our insurance through the ACA marketplace? There is. And, you know, one of the reasons that in 2026 ACA premiums are rising is because of these additional subsidies that made it easier for people to get health insurance under the ACA, the expanded tax credits. It basically doubled enrollment. And insurers, seeing that those extra premiums were scheduled to end, said, well, a lot of people are going to no longer be able to afford their health insurance.
16:26So we're going to have to raise premiums on the theory that the sick people are going to hang on to their health insurance and the healthier people are probably going to drop it if they see the prices go up. Although everyone will be affected if people can no longer afford their coverage and go uninsured because, like with the pandemic, they won't get medical care until they absolutely have to, and then it's more expensive. And then the cost of that care is going to have to get passed along to somebody.
16:53Jonquilyn Hill:Are employers absorbing some of these higher costs for people who get that employer-sponsored insurance? It depends. During times when it's hard to hire people, and we have tight labor markets, employers try to absorb as much of the increases in health care spending as they can because they don't want to load more onto their workers and therefore make it harder to win new workers and retain old workers. Right now, the labor market is not as strong as it has been and health care costs are going up. So it's expected that a lot of employers are going to pass along a lot more costs to their workers.
17:28Jonquilyn Hill:What can consumers do to try to mitigate these costs? Like, you know, it's getting expensive. What can we do? It's really hard. You know, there are a number of people who think that price transparency is a big help. It's probably not the answer to everything. But knowing what things cost in advance certainly doesn't hurt. Being able to shop around for elective things also doesn't hurt. Sometimes, you know, if you go to a hospital, you can find the same care as an outpatient for much less because of the complicated ways that government and private insurers pay for these things. Sometimes you can offer to pay cash instead of use your insurance and you can save money.
18:09That's very true for things like generic drugs. So there are ways to save some money, but we're all sort of captives of the mess of a health care system that we have right now.
18:18Jonquilyn Hill:OK, so everyone is focused on premiums right now because they're going up. But that's just one symptom of what is going on with our health care system, right? Like there's a bigger problem here. There definitely is. And obviously Republicans are saying, you know, we're over subsidizing for the ACA, which is a mess. Obamacare is terrible. It's bad health care at far too high a price. And it's become a boondoggle. It's a subsidy for insurance companies. When you subsidize the health care system and you pay insurance companies more, the prices increase. That's been the problem. Well, we subsidize everybody else who gets health insurance.
18:56You know, the federal government subsidizes Medicare, federal and state governments subsidize Medicaid. There's a gigantic tax break for people who have employer-provided coverage that most people aren't even aware of. So it's really only been people who buy their own coverage in the individual market and small businesses who haven't been getting a subsidy. And that's what this is.
19:18Jonquilyn Hill:If insurance just keeps getting more and more expensive, do you think we'll see more people just kind of opt out of it altogether? Well, that's a concern. Of course, that's where we were before the Affordable Care Act passed when we had, you know, 14 percent of the population that didn't have insurance. Now it's down to an all time low of about 8 percent. But, you know, we're definitely going to see people lose their insurance, even if they're not dropping it voluntarily. The bill that Republicans passed this summer takes away eligibility for a lot of people. And out-of-pocket costs, as you say, are going up dramatically, even if you do have insurance, deductibles and copayments.
19:58And just the cost of medical care in general means that even people with pretty good insurance end up owing lots of money out of pocket. So I think we're sort of coming to another transition point where this is going to be back on the national agenda.
20:18Jonquilyn Hill:Up next, we talk about some creative solutions to our health care problems and why finding a fix won't be easy.
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22:11Jonquilyn Hill:It's JQ back with Explain It To Me. And it's safe to say most people agree that the American healthcare system is broken and that it's probably not getting fixed anytime soon. So what are we supposed to do in the meantime? That's the question I asked my colleague, Dylan Scott. He's a senior correspondent at Vox and he covers health and the healthcare system. You know, for some people it's like, oh my God, like I broke my leg or I got diagnosed with cancer. And, you know, you see people going to GoFundMe or Kickstarter, just literally basically begging people, like, please help me with my medical costs.
22:46I just created a GoFundMe page, and I'm trying to raise money to help me pay for my health care expenses. Obviously, we expected some out-of-pocket costs, but not this. I'm looking for help. Unfortunately, like, that's one predicament that the U.S. health care system puts people into, if they have, like, a serious medical need, is you might just have to, like, beg strangers to chip in to cover your bills. But short of that, you also have Americans, They're looking for basically insurance-like products, you know, something where it's like you pay a monthly payment, and if you have medical bills, hopefully it's going to cover you.
23:20And there's a few different variations on that. There is something called short-term limited duration insurance, which, like, ideally is supposed to be like a three-month plan that you get on when you're between jobs or something like that. But some people are trying to go on those on a more permanent basis. There are things called association health plans, which are supposed to be like groups of businesses who pool their resources together to try to cover their workers' health care costs. And then, you know, what I think is one of the most interesting ones is something called health care cost sharing ministry.
23:55Jonquilyn Hill:What is a health care cost sharing ministry? So, like, in their original form, basically what this is, is like a group of people, you know, maybe literally a group of people who go to the same church together, who are like, okay, we're going to pool our money together. We might ask people who participate to adhere to certain moral, ethical standards that, you know, reflect our Christian values. And then, like, you know, it's in theory supposed to work like insurance, where it's like you pay into this pot. And if you have a medical claim or some kind of medical issue comes up, you receive health care services.
24:32You can take those bills back to the group, and they'll give you money out of the pot to cover the costs. Technically, these kinds of arrangements have been around for decades. Like, the first one started back in the early 1980s. But for a long time, I mean, they were really niche. But then the Affordable Care Act passed and was this big flashpoint politically, as people well know. Especially for deeply conservative and religiously devout people, they had a lot of objections to the ACA. Some of them had objections to the provisions that required insurers to cover birth control, things like that.
25:11And so they were like, you know what, I want to like opt out of this law. And actually the law in the way that it was written kind of gave them an out. It said that if you sign up for a healthcare cost sharing ministry, if you're enrolled in something like that, then you can be exempted from the individual mandate. And so I think all of those things combine together to start driving a lot more people to these healthcare cost sharing ministries. It sounds a lot almost like mutual aid. Yeah, I think that's the crux of it, I think, in a lot of ways. But increasingly, these are like sophisticated businesses with really well-funded advertising campaigns.
25:52Finding affordable health care can be stressful. And some people think that insurance is their only option. Which is why CHM was the first to establish a cost-sharing ministry. It's a collection of specialized care components. Resources that help you through life's most challenging medical moments. You know, they've increasingly de-emphasized the religious aspect of it. You see them adopting, like, names like Liberty HealthShare and things like that. even with like the moral and ethical standards that they want people to sign on to. They've kind of more and more de-emphasized like you have to believe in God and that Jesus Christ is our Lord and Savior.
26:31And it's more like, you know, you're going to be an upright person. You're going to, you know, be moral, but in a sort of vaguer, more secular way. And I think that's because these companies see a business opportunity. How many people use these kinds of ministries? Back in the day, in the mid-2000s, there were like 200 ,000 people enrolled in these plans. As of about 2018, there were a million people enrolled in Akashia. So yeah, like a pretty significant increase from the decade before. And then past that, as the most recent estimate that we have, and it's worth emphasizing, because these things are poorly regulated, it's hard to get really reliable data about them, because these can kind of just operate without the government even really knowing about it.
27:15But the Colorado Department of Insurance tried again to estimate how many people have joined these ministries in 2023, and they came up with 1.7 million Americans were now enrolled in a healthcare cost-sharing ministry. So that's pretty exponential growth if you go back to just like 20 years ago.
27:34Jonquilyn Hill:And how has it worked out for people who are in these ministries? So I think it's really important for people to understand these ministries are not subject to the same rules about pre-existing conditions, about not putting annual limits on people's benefits. All of the insurance regulations that people have gotten accustomed to after the ACA became law do not apply to these healthcare cost-sharing ministries. So you're basically just relying on sort of the goodwill of these ministries to pay out and just hoping that they have enough money to cover whatever your medical bills may be. The way that insurance works is it needs scale.
28:16You need a lot of people paying into the pot. Frankly, you need a lot of people who are healthy, who don't have serious medical needs, who are just paying their premiums in and not taking anything out. And that's hard to do sometimes, as we see with rising costs across the whole system with like hundreds of thousands or millions of people enrolled in your health insurance plan. And so you can imagine with some of these smaller healthcare cost sharing ministries, which like, you know, individual ones may have maybe hundreds or just like a few thousand people enrolled, there might not be enough money in that cost sharing ministry to cover the costs.
28:53And so then you're kind of just shit out of luck. Yeah.
28:57Jonquilyn Hill:Is scaling up the solution for these ministries? Would that solve that problem? The way to solve what's going wrong with our healthcare system is not to scale up these healthcare cost-sharing ministries that can then discriminate against people with pre-existing conditions. I think instead what we need to do is we need to be looking at the whole system's costs, figuring out how to bring those down, which is hard and which is going to take some difficult work. But I do not think these plans themselves are the solution. What is the solution? it's the worst time of year because it's yeah it's like hey sign up for health insurance and yeah your premiums probably higher than it was last year and um you know it the deductible might be going up too and it's like i i think in the long term we need like policymakers and the industry and the payers to come together and figure out how to how to make just the overall costs of healthcare lower so that we can provide people with comprehensive coverage more affordably.
30:00But in the meantime, yeah, we live in America. We're individualists. We're consumers. You kind of got to look out for yourself and just be really careful about how you're kind of making those calculations because it really depends on your individual situation.
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