Nadja Swarovski | Why You NEED to Visit Kenya!

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0:09Welcome to Travel Secrets with me, Tanya Rose, the podcast sharing wisdom for fellow travelers. Each week, I ask my guests to reveal their six travel secrets and the holidays and adventures that surround them. I would just like to say thank you to Mason Rose, the sales and communication agency that represents some of the finest hotels around the world for partnering with Travel Secrets, the podcast. Today, my guest is the brilliant, lovely British Austrian businesswoman, Nadia Swarovski. Nadia and I've never actually met, but our paths have crossed many, many times. We did something together with the English National Ballet and the costume design.

0:50We've done so many things. Our sons are at the same school, but different years. So it is wonderful to have you here. Your family company, Swarovski, I think you were the fifth generation when you were the global strategist who basically took it to Hollywood. I mean, I know they had already done things like the ruby red slippers in The Wizard of Oz and Marilyn Monroe's dress and things, but you literally catapulted it into the stratosphere. I'm so excited to hear about your next phase and your new investment and your new company. So welcome to Travel Secrets and tell us all. Well, thank you so much, honey.

1:30It's great to be here. It's such an honor. In particular, it is so fantastic to be here in the heart of London in the beautiful Peninsula Hotel, such an international institution. Well, you're an international person and I'm sure you're going to tell us many tales about living in Hong Kong and all over the world. So I can't wait. But Perhaps before we get into those travel secrets, you can just tell us a bit about yourself and how travel has made the person that you have become today. Yeah, it's actually very interesting. Travel did have a huge impact on me because I did grow up in Austria in the Tyrolean Alps.

2:07And I just remember as a child feeling so trapped by those mountains. and I would just lie on the grass and look up at the sky and I would watch these airplanes go from mountain range to mountain range and I would just always wish and dream that I could be on the airplane and go abroad and away. And so I actually thought as a child the only way to get away is to be a stewardess. So that was actually my number one career aspiration to become a stewardess. But believe you me, in the meantime, within my career, I have figured out to travel just as much or if not more than the average steward is, you know.

2:46Absolutely. And I certainly have always put pressure on my son asking him to please invent the beaming machine to make travel a little bit easier. Wouldn't that be wonderful? And actually, travel is fantastic and we all love it. But the actual getting from A to B is not quite as easy as it used to be through airports. So Vattense was your hometown, was it? That's right. Right. And Vatens is just, it's 17 kilometers east of Innsbruck. And I'm so impressed, Tania, that you even know of Vatens. I do, because I had a boyfriend whose father ran Swarovski France, and he was always going to Vatens. So it's very much ingrained in my brain.

3:25Yeah, that's amazing. Well, you know, throughout my life, I've actually didn't even, I didn't, I stopped bothering to tell people where I come from, because in the States, often people will say, oh, you're from Austria, you must have so many kangaroos. Oh, no. And certainly Vatens, nobody knew. So we just started to call the town Vatens to make it sound a little bit more international. And then they said, oh, France, lovely. Vatens in France. Oh, how fabulous. So let's get into your travel secrets. What is the number one destination that you think everyone should go to once in their lifetime? So I almost feel I can say been there, done that in terms of so many amazing locations in the world but the one location where I as an individual feel like such a human is Kenya and the bush in particular and you know there are just certain emotions that are awoken within you that seem like a distant memory like you know it's a lion in the bush when you hear a lion now how do you know it's a lion not having grown up with lions you just know it you know and that innate kind of instinct that just kicks in and wakes up it's so amazing or actually the same thing you know if you go to Arizona that sound of a coyote at night it sends shivers down your spine although you're in a very safe compound no why is that and on and on there's so many different locations that have that impact on me personally on my soul on my I have a physical reaction and that's what makes me feel human and I think those kind of experiences are so amazing as we have as our societies have modernized you know and we're so detached from nature every day we work on walk on so much cement We can't feel earth, you know, the pollution outside.

5:28We can barely smell the flowers. You can barely hear the birds. The traffic sound overtakes that all. So to be in an environment where the sound and the smell of nature is so amazing, I find it so, so important. And where in Kenya did you go when you went? Which safari camp do you remember? I was in a camp north of Kenya, which actually belongs to my brother-in-law, Nigel Adams' mother-in-law called Cookie Goldman. She wrote a book about her life in Africa. There was a movie made of it. Kim Basinger played her. So we stayed with him and his family. That must have been fantastic. It certainly was an adventure.

6:14and I went with my parents and my children, or my children and my parents. And I think in general, just to have these adventures with your family is such an incredible bond. To go through these emotions together is so bonding as a family. And I think you're right. We're so away from nature living in a city. And I know sustainability and that sort of nature is all really very important to you, which I'm sure we'll get into. But I think there is nothing better than going on a safari. yes and getting up early right see the first game drive and then the one in the evening and then you put the table out and you have cocktails and everything it's just so beautiful it's amazing it's really you feel you are so far away from our superficial reality yeah and feeling very very grounded and actually talking about superficial reality because it's not superficial reality but going back to when you were working at Swarovski I mean you worked and you literally did propel that brand with those amazing stones, working with fantastic fashion designers from Alexander McQueen to Erdem to Christopher Kane.

7:23But sustainability was very much something you had in mind, wasn't it? Absolutely. And, you know, it's really because I, you know, I grew up as the engineer's daughter. My great-great-grandfather had three sons and my ancestors were the engineers. So my father had two daughters. And of course, my sister and I had to join him every weekend to walk through the factory. We had to go with him to visit the machine tool fairs. And so it was very, very engineering driven. But within engineering also, certainly within the mind of my father, laid the solution. And as we were saying earlier, I come from Tyrol, these beautiful Tyrolian Alps.

8:05You know, here you have this amazing factory in such beautiful, pristine nature. And certainly my family always wanted to produce this product without compromising the environment and certainly not the health of the employees. So we have an incredible team of engineers, chemical engineers, and Swarovski has produced very sustainably. You know, we've managed to get various harmful chemicals out of the crystal. We have incredible filtration systems on the exhaust, but also on the water. And so by the time I entered the business, I just felt, you know, we have so many amazing practices. Let's just formalize this.

8:44Let's get the factory certified and let's implement things that might not already be implemented in terms of sustainability. And certainly let's talk about it. You know, all these expressions of sustainability department, CSR department, they kept on changing names. A lot of people greenwash it, they don't know, and they just talk about it, but you actually really implemented it. Yes, absolutely. No, and it was really important to also make all the colleagues and factory workers understand it fully and take that ownership and take that pride. and I have to say as a family business it's really important to be sustainable because you know it's a sense of accountability and responsibility of giving your customer a product that is good not just in a sense of design or ingredient but also in terms of its impact on the environment and certainly the people involved in the creating process.

9:38And actually I know Vatants is like 10 ,000 people 5 ,000 of whom work at the factory don't they so It's very much part of that whole city. So what is your most unexpected travel experience? I must say my most unexpected travel experience was my honeymoon, which was planned by my husband. I did not have a say in the matter, and I thought, we're going to go somewhere warm, to a beautiful spa. We can relax after this really exhausting wedding, which was my mother's wedding and not my wedding. But that's a whole other story. No, so we ended up going to the Seychelles, and it was basically a tiny little island.

10:18I think it had five huts on it. Kind of run down. Beautiful. Robinson Crusoe. Wonderful, but I wasn't expecting it. And so I was really looking forward to a massage, and I asked at the reception, could I have a massage? And there was a bit of a hesitation. They looked at me in shock. I asked for a massage. And after about a minute, they said, yes, yes, yes. yes you can have a massage and an hour later they directed me into a little hut which as it turns out was the infirmary it wasn't the spa it was the infirmary with a little table and um it was a doctor's table and the massage was a little bit rough not relaxing at all i thought my god this person is not very trained but i didn't ask any further questions and later on that evening we went to dinner first went to the bar to have a drink and lo and behold there's my massage therapist the bartender so in any case it was we then proceeded to go um deep sea fishing for tuna and um i just remember getting on that boat thinking oh my gosh it's so dirty and i looked in the cabin i thought oh my gosh who lives on this boat it's so dirty there was one little bed in there and I thought this is so disgusting why can't they clean this up so of course I got so seasick they gave me drama mine and I was basically just rolling from one side to the boat to the other so I thought I need somewhere to lie down so I thought yes that really dirty bed oh my gosh there's nothing that sounds so amazing right now so I went and nestled up in that bed and it was the most comfortable thing and I slept for basically two days I don't know how many tunas my husband caught in the meantime but um I missed out two days of my honeymoon but then we went on to Botswana the second part of the honeymoon was a horseback riding safari so I guess I have to be very appreciative of the two days on Dramamine I did catch up with my sleep and so here was the horseback riding safari and um beautiful tents and you know they brought up the horses and the horse that i got had these claw marks down the back legs and i thought my goodness what happened here so yes lo and behold that horse horse was attacked about six weeks ago by a lion and the remnants were still there and um you know the adventure started i asked the tour guide so what do we do if the lion approaches?

13:03And the answer was, cling like a monkey. Or if the horse is too slow, you jump off your horse. That is given to bait for the lion, and then you jump on the rider's horse of the fastest horse. So it was an adventure indeed. That was a very unexpected honeymoon. We're still married. I think you need a second honeymoon, and I think I need to tell you where to go. Absolutely. I will plan that together with and for my husband. Exactly. I think that's exactly what we'll do. But it was fun. Amazing memories. So what is your most overrated or underrated travel secret? My most disappointing travel experience was really going to Ibiza and going to Café del Mar.

13:56you know I just always loved the Café del Mar music and I thought it's fantastic and so chilled out and pleasant so there is a café let's go visit it and it was just I don't know if you've ever been there Ibiza is not my place I've been and it wasn't my place but there are other people who just love it and they say they're so spiritual and you know there's the rock and you feel it and I think there is two sides to Ibiza but also I had Luke Evans on the podcast and the first time he went he hated it and then he went back with Kelly Hoppen because she lives there and then he bought a house because he loved it so much.

14:29So maybe I didn't give it, you know, enough time, but it is not my place. No, I'm with you actually. And there's definitely a very strange vibe there, but also if you look at the history of what happened in Ibiza, pretty brutal during World War II or right afterwards, yeah. Maybe that's the energy I was picking up on then. Absolutely, you know. And, you know, there are so many places to go. So I go back to somewhere that you weren't that happy with. And, you know, certain things, I mean, you just feel it subconsciously, you know, and you want to like a certain environment. You've heard so much about it, but something just doesn't resonate.

15:05And I think it's really important to listen to that. And also it's often the case when you're so excited about going somewhere and then you get there and you think, really? And other times you think, I'm not sure I want to go there. And then it's the best thing in the world. That's right. Exactly. Yeah. No. Yeah. That's very interesting. That was an underrated experience. No, and you know, it was this very unattractive café, modern, on a rock. I think the septic tank didn't quite work. And, you know, it was so unspiritual and unspecial. But I do like the Café Del Mar music, you're right. It's a good playlist.

15:39Yes, fantastic, absolutely. Good playlist. And subsequently, I have to say, there's so many other wonderful places in Ibiza that are more really like the Café Del Mar vibe, on the ground, on the beach, you know, with the water. So don't go to Cafe Del Mar, but go somewhere else, which is just a little area where you can have fresh fish or something from the sea. That takes us nicely into food and drink, actually. Food and drink is so important to travel. So what do you like eating? Where do you like eating? What's been your favorite meal or restaurant or drink? Let's just talk about food and drink.

16:10Well, I think it's really important when in Rome, do as the Romans do. So let's start with Rome, you know. Well, Rome is easy. Italy is easy, that local food. then it is um a different experience for example china i did used to live in hong kong and um sometimes i found that a challenge especially going on business trips in china yeah how long did you live there i was there for one and a half years just before the handover 1995 until 1997 um challenging to see the little fish tanks filled with toads for consumption. Really? I have to say, I did lose a lot of weight when I moved to Hong Kong. Some Chinese food is divine and delicious and proper.

17:03No, that's right. And the proper Chinese food is just incredible. But you also have to know what your body resonates with or not. Certain ingredients like MSG. I wouldn't want to eat toad. It doesn't work that well. Yeah, and, you know, I was the only Caucasian in the office. So my colleagues always went to the big Chinese restaurant and, you know, they really loved the specialty of the chicken feed or fish fin. And I have not acquired that taste for that yet. I think we can go back to Rome and have a nice pasta. It's really good to try it all, but... Absolutely. What about London? Do you have favorite restaurants here?

17:49Yes, and I have to say I do like all the sushi restaurants. I think Nobu does still a great job or Azuma. And we're so lucky about the food quality that we have here. New York is extraordinary. Another place of culinary bliss is really Las Vegas. Oh, really? It's unbelievable, the quality and the plethora of choices. Do you go to Las Vegas a lot? You know what? I used to go to Las Vegas for work. Of course, because for the fairs. For the crystals and everything. The various different fairs, exactly. So the jewelry fair and then the consumer electronics fair was always fascinating. And it's amazing what's on offer there.

18:34Well, we're very, very spoiled in London. And there's a fantastic Chinese restaurant at the Peninsula Hotel in London that's just opened. Canton Blue, it's called. and it has little booths and food is absolutely exquisite. So if you like Chinese food without it being the fin or the toad or any of those, I highly recommend that you come. And there's a great bar here at Brooklands. I don't know if you've actually been to the Brooklands Bar, which has a view over Buckingham Palace. It's fantastic. And they do a very good Negroni. Top tip. We are very good. No, it's wonderful what they've created with that bar.

19:07And you're off to Mallorca. I don't know Mallorca well. I've obviously been to Mallorca. I went to the Residencia many, many years ago when Richard Branson did it. But I think there's some great restaurants now in New Yorker as well, aren't there? Yes, absolutely. There is a fantastic restaurant called Sebastian's who was a chef at the Residencia and he now created his own little restaurant. Wonderful. So good. And, you know, but in general, just to answer your question, I really do appreciate just the straightforward food. Quite frankly, I appreciate the food that is just so fresh. Again, local meats, local produce.

19:42So just, you know, and therefore I have to say I do really appreciate the Italian cuisine, you know, especially Tuscany. And I just love those Tuscan restaurants. You arrive, you get a big bowl of fresh vegetables, you cut them up yourself. It's just amazing. And when it's grown in really healthy soil, the flavor is so good. You can really taste. Absolutely. The taste of Tuscany. Yes, absolutely. What is your best travel tip? I have to say the best travel tip in general is just to find out, to always get the insider point of view, you know, and find that path least traveled. Find the back door to places, not the ones that are necessarily publicized.

20:27So I have to say it's such an advantage to live in London or having lived in New York, you know, we have so many international friends, so it's really good to find out. What the locals do. Absolutely. So my son was just in Japan and he was raving about this restaurant that only seats four people per evening. And no, you can't order the menu. You eat what's on the menu. You eat what is given to you because it's so fresh and it's the chef's choice. So it's these little experiences, I think, that are really amazing. And a friend from Japan told him about that or somebody who had been there. Exactly.

21:00That's right. To find the pathless traveled and what the locals do is always a very good top trip. and how are you at traveling because you live on an airplane i mean you travel all over the world are you a good packer do you take hand luggage do you take hold luggage how are you i'm a good packer um years of experience i leave everything on the hanger fold it absolutely nicely so it doesn't have to be ironed um i just unpack hang everything back up i'm done um i do have my routine i plan very carefully uh depending on um rush hour traffic to and from the airport depending on where i'm going i do remember those wonderful days before 9 11 i mean you could just run in and out of the airport unfortunately as you mentioned earlier those days are gone but um you know so timing is really important and then of course the hydration on the plane make sure you i mean i always bring two liters of water um try to have my clear schedule on the airplane try to get in that sleep and um you know i actually like a day flight as well because although it does take that extra time for example coming back from new york you've got the whole day to work absolutely and you know you come back you're ready to go to bed you have a proper sleep that five hour overnight just is ridiculous you don't sleep and you can't work so i really like I have to say that's the most challenging travel route, the New York-London route at night, but in particular also because the world's magnetism runs east to west.

22:36So any time you travel the opposite, it's really jarring on your body. And you're absolutely right. I would travel a lot during the day, and I would consider the airplane my office in the sky. I'd get so much work done. Even if you didn't have Wi-Fi in the olden days, you could still write journals and notes. Absolutely. So that was always a really, I used to love doing that. Absolutely. I still do that. And your son is at university over there. Exactly. So you go over and see him. Yeah, that's right. No, but I think just in the, I love that quiet time in the plane. Nobody can talk to you. You literally get the bird's eye point of view of life.

23:13And that closure is so important to have. I mean, we all have such busy lives. We rush around and just to sit back, take a breath, reflect. and focus forward is it's a time for you i don't know if trini is a friend of yours she's a friend of mine but she's hilarious on a plane she puts on one of these led red masks she puts on a mask you know she's got her whole routine but she said she literally uses that like a spa yeah that time she literally gets her makeup done exactly no i think that's so i take my mask every once in a while certainly i have an eye mask yes i have an eye mask too always and joe Malone had the same.

23:52She had a little bag that she showed us what was in her bag and she took everything out and said, right, this is what I do on the plane. It was really interesting. No, absolutely. And I have five of those. Do you? Five of those different sample bags that have everything in there from the eye drops, the lip gloss, the mask. Of course, the earplugs, you never know who's sitting next to you. I take my earphones and plug it. Also, I don't want to talk to anyone. No, that's right. Hopefully, you know, you've got enough room around you not to have to worry about that. what is your most poignant travel experience well if you consider um hiking adventure a travel experience i think that would have been um certainly maybe that doesn't really count it was outward bound again an extension of kud han but um did something happen to you on one of those hikes that was very um or inspiring or do you just think being at one with nature is in itself no well it's um first of all yes being with nature is just being one at one with nature is totally amazing but yes we have little adventures so we for example had to sleep not in a tent but in a tarp for three nights by ourselves and it's amazing how loud your thoughts become when you're by yourself in nature yeah and um you know this was such a long time ago i had wooden hiking boots and of course i could hear something gnawing on my boots and it just kicked and something flew away but then i checked with the torch and there were these two gnaw marks on the boots i think it might have been a um a beaver oh my goodness really in any because we were given a whistle just in case but um amazing and then um certainly hiking or climbing all the way to the top and um or climbing along which is so frightening you know to see this huge drop behind you and you can't even focus on that you have to focus on the goal ahead of you or walking on the comb of a mountain and you know the path is only about a foot wide and you have a two kilometer drop on both sides you cannot focus on the fear right and left you have to focus on the task ahead you know and it's really like the law of attraction if you focus on fear yeah it happens so you know it was such a condensed moment which has really impacted me so much for the rest of my life actually every single moment every single day we experience things that are really annoying or irritating okay you can focus on that or you can focus on what else is happening at the moment that's positive and it's amazing how that really triggers your entire thought process or energy level or happiness level i actually hugely believe in the law of attraction i think and i always say to everyone that knows me and you sound so annoying sometimes because you say you know if you keep thinking those bad thoughts they're going to be the thing that happens because you're giving it more energy so absolutely think of the positive think you know look out yes be as positive as you can be and we can totally control our emotions by controlling our thoughts you we just have to be fully aware of that fact you know when i grew up in switzerland we used to go on holiday so it wasn't enough for my father that we were at an outward bound school he then in the holidays wanted us to go in the mountains so we would do riding holidays in the summer which were lovely and then in the winter we would do walking across glaciers with crampons That's amazing.

27:31And, you know, ropes and things. And at the time I was like, why are we doing this? You know, my friends are doing this. They're in the Caribbean or something. And I was thinking, actually, they were the best holidays. We would sit around a campfire at night and we would play the guitar. We'd be at nature. We'd stay in these little botties. It really was fantastic, actually. But at the time as a teenager, I was a bit miffed. But I'm sure the sense of achievement, you know, is just extraordinary. And also, you know, you learn to go beyond your comfort zone. And yes, you can achieve. I'm sure that is why you are where you are today.

28:04Well, I don't know. And you are where you are because we're good Zalem and Gordonstone girls. What I asked you to bring a photograph that summed up travel to you or a few photographs. Can you just talk to us about the photographs? We'll obviously show the photographs. But just tell us about those pictures and what they mean to you. So, you know, I actually thought, my gosh, which picture am I going to choose? So I actually went through my Instagram and I just realized, you know, most of my travel Instagram photos are of a blue sky, of mountains or of a setting sun on the ocean. And I just realized I am, again, it's such a confirmation.

28:44I just I need to be in nature and also need to have a vista. So maybe that has to do with the fact that I did grow up in Watens, actually slightly above Watens on the plateau, but with this view of the mountains. And that's why I also felt really great living in New York and living in Hong Kong and always having that vista. Yes, Hong Kong in particular, you have this huge mountain on top of which the high rises are built. But you had this amazing vista. a there was a viewpoint you know sometimes versus london where you don't know where you are because you are um within the buildings so there's a peak you used to go up on the peak absolutely fantastic so inspirational and also new york and hong kong are so similar to me because they're islands or peninsulas that are surrounded by this big body of water and that energy just coming together is amazing you know and the working ethic the way people work in those cities it's unbelievable.

29:40Yeah, non-stop, isn't it? And actually, I'm not going to let you go without hearing about your new venture. Tell us about your new venture and what you're going to be doing with that. You know, I almost feel talking to you now, I'm getting to know myself even better. I'm clear, more clear about myself. So I did invest in this company called Really Wild. And it is a British clothing brand. And it was really started in nature. It was started creating tweed clothes for country pursuits so the wild stands for wilderness and it was a female brand and i just really appreciated the fact that the fabrics all came from scotland from these beautiful mills love it mill lockhearn linton and that tradition of tweed making is centuries old and again as with so many craftspeople it requires an apprenticeship in order to then become a weaver in those mills and what fascinated me so much about tweed is yes it comes from the local sheep and guess what the the wool quality is totally dependent on the weather which affects the grass which affects the wool and in those years um the grass quality isn't good enough the British weavers had to outsource to New Zealand, for example.

30:59But I just really appreciated the fact that nature has an impact on the animal, which has an impact on the thread that then creates the garment. And so certainly what we want to aim with Really Wild, we want to educate our customer where this fabric came from. And no, it's not mass produced. And there was a hand involved. And there was a person involved that's very considered for the environment. And it's an old tradition. And yes, at Swarovski, as I mentioned earlier, you know, as a child, my playground was the factory. I feel so familiar in factories. I love engineers. I love that problem-solving element within engineering.

31:35So, you know, my husband and I teamed up. We created a fund called Pegasus Private Capital. And we are looking for companies that have to do with craftsmanship, with our mission of protecting craftsmanship in order to protect cultural heritage. the world has become so modern it's become so digitized we're losing so much essence you know human essence essence that has to do with the dna you know again hearing the lion or knowing it's lying um when you hear it that's the same as you know people are here we are here to use our hand and that creates a certain connection to the heart so with this brand or the various brands that we're invested in we want to bring that heart and soul of the making to the consumer and i can't help but think that you can feel the emotion of somebody who makes something with heart and soul versus something that's made in a factory that had really bad um working conditions i think you can and to your skin and next to your body and your heart and the jacket you're wearing is obviously really wild so this is really wild it's made uh it's it's called boucle which is a really kind of soft and fluffy wool but it's actually a tweed yeah it's made in the same will uh mill that chanel uses linton mill and it looks absolutely like a chanel jacket it's beautiful and you know we just and i'm out of four so we don't have any ingredient branding in here yet but my first collection really kick starts in september and i we will have ingredient branding we will mention the mills i think they need to be celebrated they need to be known um and in the In the meantime, you have a shop in Sloan Street.

33:19Yes, it's right. It's actually off Sloan Square, between Sloan Square and Eden Square. We are looking for new retail locations. So we've been really focusing on online. And we're also looking to expand to North America. So I'm taking this collection to Florida, where I have to relocate temporarily. So I'm just very curious to see how the American customer resonates with the brand and with the material. I think they'll love it because they love Chanel and they love Scotland and they love Tweed and they love Britain so I think you'll do hugely well and anyone that has you involved with them with you have your Midas touch and your creativity I'm sure will be a huge success so before I let you go where are you going next you're going to Florida next any holidays or just starting your new business and then taking I'm going to Florida and in Florida I'm actually involved in sustainability project it's um in windsor which is a resort there which is in vero beach created by the weston family and so there's a plot of land left um where we are investing and alana weston is really spearheading it and she wants this to be really um a good example and forefront of um residential um a residential experience that is totally sustainable and it's amazing how this entire building industry has evolved you know you now can get the solar panels in any kind of color so they look actually like roof shingles and so on and then really also embracing the local plant life you know using the right plants in order to overcome the mosquito issue in order to reduce the toxins exactly that flow into the Indian River in this example and then this plot of land is next the oldest American reserve which actually happens to be a pelican reserve um so we're happy we won't have any neighbors there so that's really important and then in the summer i'll be in in mallorca we have a plot of land there which is part of the unesco heritage and there we have started to um rebuild the old olive terraces that have been constructed by the arabs about a thousand years ago you know mallorca was one of those islands that was continuously attacked was it was it the french the spaniards the arabs um but that's one amazing remnant from the arabs that incredible architecture so we're restoring that we're restoring the olive trees that are a thousand years old we are wanting to restore an old finca that's on the property and create a well-being resort you know they now have a direct flight between mallorca and new york city and I just thought you know what those New Yorkers need to come to to to Mallorca and sit and hug the thousand year old olive tree and get grounded you know there's so many amazing locations in this earth and I feel so lucky to have the ones that I do have and I want to share that you know and I want to do it all sustainably and I want to bring people back to their heart and to their soul and see life with open eyes and to sustainability.

36:31I think if you are a happy person and a healthy person, that's when you can start thinking about sustainability. You know, the last thing you want to think about is sustainability if you are depressed or if you're living in a super polluted environment or poor environment. You have to think about survival. So we're just trying to set a tone in whatever we're doing, whether it's clothing, whether it's the craftsmanship, whether it's building sounds wonderful if you need any help yes let me know when you're opening or before you are i'll give you any inspiration i can i mean wellness and well-being is so important now absolutely we have a lot of clients and that's just what i want to say right now you know to vacations it's like oh gosh i can't you know vacations to me a vacation is going somewhere and appreciating nature you know and grounding myself and finding myself in my soul and feeling free you know and taking care of body and soul and mind.

37:27Nadea it has been a joy and a delight to go around the world with you thank you so much for joining me. Thank you so much there would have been so many more stories but to be continued. To be continued. Thank you. Great to see you. Thank you so much for listening to this episode of Travel Secrets. I'm loving making this podcast and want it to reach as many people as possible to build this community of fellow travelers. so please do subscribe on your favourite podcast app and share with a friend I'll be back next week and remember this podcast might not change your life but it might just change your plans