Piers Morgan | The Underrated City You NEED to Visit

0:04Welcome to Travel Secrets with me Tanya Rose, the podcast sharing wisdom for fellow travelers. Each week, I ask my guests to reveal their six travel secrets and the holidays and adventures that surround them. I would just like to say thank you to Mason Rose, the sales and communication agency that represents some of the finest hotels around the world for partnering with Travel Secrets, the podcast.

0:33Today my guest is the brilliant British journalist, ex-editor, TV personality, author, now multimedia mogul I think. Love the sound of that. With your new incarnation and YouTube supremo. Three million subscribers. Four million actually. Four million subscribers. I stopped watching Good Morning Britain when you left. Thank you. It was never the same. You took over from Larry King and you interviewed Oprah, your life stories. You've interviewed everyone from Parky to Joan Collins. So I'm a little bit intimidated that I am actually the interviewer today, but I cannot wait to hear your travel secrets.

1:15Well, it's great to see you again. We haven't seen you for years. It's lovely to see you. It's so good to have you here. You've had so many great guests on here. I know. I feel very honoured to have got the invitation. I'm so excited to have you. Before we get into your travel secrets, can you just tell us a bit about yourself and how travel has impacted the person that you've become? Travel's like the most massive part of my life, probably. I'm always traveling, but I love it. And the weird thing is I grew up in an East Sussex village. I didn't leave the country until I was about 16, 17. And even then it was like the Isle of Wight, not really leaving the country.

1:48So I didn't really go on a foreign. The first foreign trip I went to was Malta on a village cricket tour. I was probably 17, 18. So I'm not like one of those people that grew up traveling all the time in the back of a suitcase with a mom and dad. We just didn't do that. So it was when I got into my 20s and got into journalism, I got one of the dream jobs. I was the show business editor of The Sun when they were the biggest selling newspaper in the world. They had unlimited budget for expenses. and basically my job involved for five years traveling around the world going to rock concerts going to parties hanging out with famous people uh and having a great time i went to can film festival five times used to go out on the closet with the other big uh newspaper guys and we'd had i saw baz bammy boy the other day the males former showbiz suprema and we were laughing about you know we used to just have the most fantastic life uh it's different now because the the papers don't have the money they used to so I caught that beautiful last wave of of great fun but I also just got to go around the world and I love travel I love adventure I get very itchy feet if I'm here for too long in any one place I've got a place in Sussex place in London place in LA and if I'm in any one of them for too long I have to get to an airport somehow and actually you traveled a lot between London and the US when you were doing Britain's Got Talent and you uh America's Got Yeah, for 20 years, I've done the sort of New York, LA, London trifecta at least six, seven times a year, probably.

3:19Maybe more. I've got a house in LA, so I go there a lot. I love New York. Always stay at the Carlisle Hotel. They gave me a monogrammed pillowcase recently with PM in gold lettering for my 25th stay. PM for PM. PM for PM. And somebody said, what a slogan. That is a really good slogan. Is that in the cards? Who knows? Well, we've had Boris Johnson. So let's be honest, it couldn't be a lot worse, could it? Oh, that's right. And East Sussex, you grew up whereabouts in East Sussex? Little village called Newark. I've still got a house there. My parents live in the other half. Beautiful country home down there.

3:55And yeah, I went to a local prep school, then I went to a state school. So I had the best of both educations, really, I think, that you either come out of that with a chip on both shoulders or no chip at all. And I do think my ability to interview anybody and not be perturbed by who they are, whether they're Nelson Mandela or Dalai Lama, President Clinton, or Joe Bloggs, talking about something that's happened to them on Good Morning Britain, whatever it may be. I've always treated everyone the same. I think that comes from my upbringing. My parents were always like that. We grew up in a country pub, very egalitarian places, where you get the local squire coming in next to the local carpenter.

4:35There's no kind of ranking in a country pub. everybody's there for the same reason to have a pint and a laugh so I think I've always had that instilled in me I can always mix with anybody I could meet the queen as I did multiple times and had a wonderful time in her presence and I could meet anybody in like I did this morning a few guys in the street wanted to have a chat it makes no difference to me who you are that's why you're a brilliant interviewer and I loved your grandmother you talk about your grandmother a lot she was a matriarch of your family did she or your mother give you a card that said something like it was flying hippos or something like that.

5:10It was my mum actually gave me, my grandmother gave me some great sayings. One is what she used to do, my grandma, an amazing lady, one of four sisters, they all lived to their mid-90s and they were fantastic strong women and my grandmother used to have this saying that one day you're the cock of the walk and the next you're a feather duster and she used to send this in good times and bad so if I got like an editorship I'd get it. Congratulations but remember and then if things went wrong I'd get it, she'd draw it, it'll draw it on a little card. I get the same. In other words, you're always only one step away from either of those things in life.

5:43And you've had many of those ups and downs. Many of those ups and downs. And my favorite movie quote is Rocky Balboa in the sixth movie of the franchise, where he has a spoiled brat son in his 20s who's moaning about being Rocky's son and moaning about this, moaning about that. Eventually, Rocky has it out with him in the street. And he says, look, he says, life is tough. It will beat you down and keep you down if you at it he said if you want to know how winning's done it's not how hard you hit it's how hard you can get hit get back up and keep moving forward i love that brilliant i think it's a brilliant mantra for life because it's so true everyone's going to have stuff happen to them that they would rather not happen to them yeah we're all going to suffer grief and loss and you know losing jobs we love women or men we love whatever it may be but then there's always the other but there's always there's always a tomorrow you know i mean until one day there won't be of course well i love your positive attitude which is probably why i am a big fan well thank you let's go on to your travel secrets so what's the number one destination you think everyone should go to once in their life i thought about this a lot because i've got a lot of favorites i love like antigua i go most years to antigua stay normally at jumbie bay um which is a beautiful resort carlisle bay too So there's something very lovely about Antigua.

7:01It's about 110 ,000, 20 ,000 people live. They're not a very big island at all. I love the Antiguan spirit. I love all West Indies, actually. But Antigua, for me, is a special place. In fact, when I was there with my kids, when the Iceland volcano erupted, we were trapped on Jumby Bay for another week. And it was the most fantastic week ever. So thank you, volcano. But actually, I thought in the end, And the place I think everyone should go to once in their life, just because I guarantee you'll have a great time, is, and this is the picture I gave you, which is a restaurant called Club Sank on Sank in Saint-Tropez.

7:39And if you haven't been, you don't really get it. If you have been, you get it. Because it's this massive, sprawling, outdoor, canopied restaurant run by a wonderful man called Patrice, who's been there for donkey's years but never seems to age. That's true. And you get there and it's just this humming buzz of fun. And my advice to anyone who goes there is, look, just keep it simple. Have the massive basket of giant legume, which is this huge thing of vegetables. They're all massive. The biggest carrot you've ever seen. The biggest, biggest, biggest everything you've ever seen. It's fantastic.

8:14You never really eat it. It just is brilliant for your Instagram, but it's also great. It's great to eat. Then have the sea bass, just have a massive sea bass. And then just have bottle after bottle of Minutti Rose. uh and then my preferred thing this was the picture i gave you is me in the restaurant at 5 30 most people have gone i'm left there they've got monte cristo number two cigars my favorite and i have about four a year and i like to just get a brandy nice good french brandy and just sit there with a big monte cristo and wonder where it all went wrong how heavenly i wish i was there now it is even though i'm going in a few weeks i'm literally like an excited kid at christmas so exciting i am going in august so we go to the column door every year for three weeks and we always do a day trip over by boat have lunch at san consang and then go back i mean there is nowhere more i normally go with dame joan collins yes i've seen you there with her in a big hat i say she had her life saved you hear about this no no she got she had some weird lizard thing that apparently was on the wall behind her but she likes to sit in the corner by the wall was about to strike and a woman at the next table saw it got up it wasn't a lizard it was a caterpillar or something and flicked it away and the waiters ran over because apparently this is like a deadly thing i mean you can cause you serious paralysis and everything else the joan was saying joan was initially annoyed she said by this woman flicking her hat off but it actually turned out to be a life-saving moment yeah thank god for the hat a lot of drama goes on and club sank on well absolutely And I have seen you there with Joni many times and with Richard E.

9:50Grant and all these people. Amanda Holden. I've had some big, big lunches with Amanda Holden there. It's a good place to look. David Coulthard, the racing driver. Dangerous luncher. Alan Sugar. I've had a funny lunch with him there. Everyone goes. If you know, you go. Yeah. And if you go, I always have exactly the same meal. Same wine, same cigars. I normally try and sit in the same place. And it's just fantastic. So I just think it's one of those experiences in life. Just do it and you'll thank me. Top tip. Didn't you used to have a house in the south of France, but you were gassed or something?

10:23Well, no, we rented one for a summer. The first time we were allowed to travel after the pandemic, I rented this villa in the south of France and we got robbed on the last night. And yeah, it was not a nice experience, but you've got to be careful in the summer months in the French Riviera. They put the gas through the window. They didn't actually gas us, but they were gassing other people. They were putting drones up over the villas. We saw it the day before. So there was a drone flying over and hovering over each villa. And now I think back and think, I know what they were doing. They were working out who's in which villa, how many of them are there, is it worth robbing?

10:59So pretty sophisticated. They also watch you in the restaurants for the flash watches, and they follow the watches home. Let's go on to your most unexpected travel experience. Well, probably the most surprising was I went to Australia for a dream trip of the Ashes Cricket. I'm a massive cricket fan. And I'd always said when my three sons got to a certain age where they were all old enough to do it, we'd go. So my youngest got to 12 or 13. I went, right, we're off. And I booked fabulous in a business class all the way, five-star hotel. But did it in style. One of my brothers came too. And all I said to a couple of my friends who played in the England cricket team, Kevin Peterson, was one of them.

11:40I said, look, whatever you do, don't lose the ashes before I get there. I'm going for the last two test matches. So there's five matches. They lost 3-0 two days before we arrived. So I was not a happy bunny. So as I've been known to do, I got a little bit intemperate on Twitter, as it was then, haranguing the English batsmen for their lack of courage, to which Brett Lee, who is one of the fastest bowlers in recorded cricket history, over 100 miles an hour, replied, he was still playing professional cricket at the time you think you could do any better mate I went I do actually yes now I've now arrived in Melbourne he said so if I get a net out the back of the MCG the most iconic Australian cricket ground 100 ,000 people can be in it if I get a net out there during the test match you'll face six balls for me will you before I knew I went yes yes cut forward three or four days he's a snorting bull at the end of a long run it's in the middle of the test match in the lunch break, 10 ,000 people at least have come out to watch.

12:43It's like a coliseum. They're all chanting, kill him, Binger, which was his nickname, Binger. And he did indeed try to kill me. And he hit my wrist on the first ball. I dive for cover on the second. The third one broke my rib. The fourth one hit the broken rib to which he ran down. We had these headsets so we could hear everything. He went, oh, mate, do you hear that one crack? And I was like, I am with a living, breathing, snorting psychopath. And then he clean bowled me and then he hit me one more time. So I was like battered and bruised. But I went back into the ground to watch the rest of the afternoons play.

13:18With a broken rib. Yeah, and this had been televised on the main Australian TV channel and on Sky Sports in England. So when I walked back in, all the English were giving me a hard time, mocking me, you idiot, blah, blah, blah, blah. All the Australians stood up, gave me a standing ovation. At last, a pond with some bloody guts around here. So I didn't buy a drink for two weeks. That is brilliant. And I still get Australians, even now they come up to me and they just say, mate, that was one of the ballsiest things I've ever seen. Actually, it was one of the maddest. But in terms of a cultural experience, which I wasn't expecting, that's pretty well up there.

13:57Brilliant. And you are mad, by the way. Completely mad. I mean, it was my sister rang me afterwards in tears, having watched it live on TV. they said oh my god it was like watching a public stoning that's so funny but i bet your boys loved it well my older two do my youngest didn't find it funny he was only 13 he actually thought he was about to lose his dad oh no poor thing the the the older two were just concerned that i hadn't signed off the right things in the world exactly do you know what i love about your boys is they love going on holiday with you still don't yeah and we've always done it um you know i divorced their mum a long time ago we got divorced but one of the consequences of that was I used to really try and make an extra effort with my boys to go on a great holiday at least once a year and we've kept it up I mean I was I read a thing the other day it was on TikTok it was a like an American business guy in his 80s billionaire and he was asked what's the definition of success to you and he said I think it's when you get to when your kids get to adult age if they still want to hang out with you you've been a success in life i thought that was a brilliant line it doesn't matter how much money you know it's just just want to be with you do the people you've reared and nurtured do they actually want to stick around you when they don't have to yeah and all right my boys have to stick around very nice places yes but but they they're great and we always plan it we tend to go to jambi bay or we go on a boat in the south of france or we we went to lake Como last year for the first time.

15:29Fantastic. And we just have a great laugh. And it's just a lads holiday. My wife and daughter are very content. They go off to New York or wherever they go. They're nowhere near us. We have a lads holiday. And I love it. And it's just, it's really nice that my boys still want to do that with me. And we just have, you know, normal ritual. We do sport through the day. And then at night we have dinner and we just argue about everything. They're all highly opinionated. Are they as well? Because I know your family are. Well, I encourage them to be. And you said that you're the least confrontational person in your family.

15:58I said I'm the least opinionated member of my immediate family. It's true. Anyone who's met my sister, my brothers, my mum, my dad, they're all very opinionated. If people want to know where I get it from, meet my family on Christmas Day after the first couple of glasses. And you're all kids are the same. Yeah, well, I encourage them. They're all different in their own way, but I encourage them to have opinions. Good. I think we live in a very weird moment in the life of this planet where people are afraid to express their honestly held opinion. And that is a shambles. In a democratic society, you should be absolutely exercising your right to free speech and freedom of expression.

16:35And the day we lose that, we become a totalitarian state. So I just think this whole woke culture, which I've written about in a book coming out towards the end of the year, you know this this woke thing is so insidious because at its core it's basically a form of fascism it's like telling everybody how they should lead their lives how they should speak what they can find funny what historical figures they can revere or otherwise you know how they dress how they eat how they drink i mean it's ridiculous uh my message is ignore them and leave the life you want to leave and have your own opinions have your own opinions when you were on Lake Como, I sent you to Pasolacqua for drinks.

17:11What a place that was. Isn't it incredible? Utterly beautiful. It really is, isn't it? I just thought it was breathtaking. Yeah. And I was so happy. Thank you for that. No, no, I knew you would love it. We just went for an early evening drink and the sun was coming down and it's just a magical spot. Yeah. Really special. We went to most of the nice ones there. I thought that was by far better. So you're going to return. I absolutely am. Exactly. Right. Let's go on to your most underrated or overrated. And most people hate talking about overrated, but I'm sure you've got a good overrated one. I wouldn't go back to Portofino in a hurry.

17:44Oh, really? We went there on the way from Lake Como to Saint-Tropez, teeming with tourists. Not much fun. You've seen one little boat. You've seen them all down there. I thought the whole thing was massively overrated. We took a massive detour to get there. So I thought that was one of those places I'd heard how magical it was. And it kind of pictures well, but you don't want to be there in August, trust me. So I thought that was a little bit disappointing but a lot of those touristy places are i mean my advice to people generally about the tourist traps is don't go when the tourists are there you know and i would even include sandra pay as a town in the in the height of summer you know you really want to go in like october yeah in sandra pays it's like it goes back to being a bit of a sleepy fishing village but it's still lovely weather and it's beautiful and you can just enjoy the romantic side of it rather than the mad tourism side.

18:34And that applies probably to Rome and to Barcelona and all these places. Yeah, so just tend to go like spring. New York is a good example. New York, I think, there's a lot in New York over the years. I think April, May and September, October, it's magic. Yeah, those are my favorite times. And actually, especially the fall when all the leaves are turning. I love it. Central Park. Yeah, out of the Carlisle into Central Park. Turn right out of there, go walk across the road into Central Park, go down to the boathouse on the lake with the leaves all turning brown. Have a bit of fish and a bit of white wine.

19:11Lovely. Anything underrated? One of the most underrated places I think I've been to recently was Riyadh in Saudi Arabia. I've never been to Saudi Arabia. So I'd been to many other parts of the Middle East. and all I'd heard about RIA was it's boring it's incredibly hot it's very sort of business oriented you know it feels quite repressive all this kind of stuff that that we've probably built up as a slight mythology in the British press in the last few years because it's so radically different now to what it used to be I found it just such a an exciting dynamic place really buzzing with excitement it felt like it was just opening up you had a people who for a long time be very conservative encouraged to be very conservative and now being encouraged to be less conservative still respectful to their culture and everything else but I was really particularly for women yeah loads of my friends who have opened businesses who are going there are so excited by it I really want a hotel group there because it's you've got the Red Sea development you've got the Neon development and they are flying.

20:19Well, the Red Sea, I mean, Cristiano Ronaldo is a friend of mine, the footballer. He's got a couple of places down on the Red Sea because he plays in Riyadh. He plays for Al Nasser, the Saudi team. And he says it's like the Maldives, but unspoiled. Yeah, unspoiled. It's just beautiful down there. So I just think that all the Middle East feels very dynamic right now. I've been to Qatar recently. I've been to Dubai. Dubai, I actually did a documentary on back in 2009 when it was still being really developed, couldn't believe what I was seeing about six weeks ago. I mean, the scale of it there. And they're all quite different.

20:56There's no similarity really between Riyadh and Dubai. But what I can see is a progression in Riyadh that's unbelievably fast to get to a place where they're not relying on oil anymore, but they're now going to be reliant on tourism, on entertainment and sport, all three in conjunction. hence why they're investing so heavily in in sporting events and why they got the world cup coming and i think they you couldn't get a tourist visa seven eight years ago so it's just a place i say you know what don't take my word for it and don't definitely don't google anything about riyadh written a couple of years ago by british journalists who haven't been just go and see it and i think you'll be i told emily maitless this and she went with her son loved it it was fascinating interesting very interesting let's go on to food and drink so part of life so important for all of us what do you like eating where do you like eating it's part of travel so let's just talk about food and drink well as you can see i i eat quite a lot i know where you eat in london and i know what you drink but you tell us in london i have a few favorites but cambia de tersia the spanish place which all the all the tennis players love and all the spanish football was a fantastic place uh and a couple of like i like local neighborhood restaurants too i got one near me little portico an italian restaurant oldest family run italian in london so they're great and if you just want consistent good food service nice wine i recommend places like that but i think you know best meals around the world i remember having one in shanghai did a documentary on shanghai my wife had flown out celia for she's a bride for the telegraph and we went out for dinner one night near the Bund and we suddenly realized that there was no English on any of the menus whatsoever in fact nobody spoke English we were now completely into a new territory of being in a restaurant without knowing anything that we might be ordering and so we just blind ordered and this stuff arrived and one of them just had a massive bird's head and hand on it at the top of this pile of food which you know i took a deep breath i thought went in rome and um it's actually really delicious but it was a fascinating cultural experience and it made me think now wherever i go anywhere in the world actually just going to a real local place often you'll get the best food yeah it just you know whether if you if you're in the west india if you're in jamaica trinidad and you get one of the street patties for example they're just absolutely delicious um so you don't necessarily have to go to expensive restaurants i've had some great i mean i remember a long lunch on at doyle's on the beach in sydney with the best fuida mare i've ever seen massive chunks of crab and lobster it was unbelievable with beautiful wine that's a magical spot um la i go to a lot so that's on malibu like nobu or malibu's a lovely spot in the in the summer there with looking out over the water.

23:50It's really nice. I think, yeah, I mean, I've been very lucky. You know, and also whenever I go to the places, I like to either try local places or I say, well, what is the best restaurant? Yeah. Let's just see what all the fuss is about. Whether I'm in Italy or Spain or I'm in the West Indies or I'm in, and I think that, again, if you're lucky enough, you can afford it. Find out what is the one everyone reads about here. Try that, but then also try the little local one that people haven't really heard about, but the locals will know. Yeah. I'll tell you where I went recently. It's great. I went to Munich in Germany for the Champions League final.

24:23Of course. So the owner of PSG, Paris Saint-Germain, a Qatari, Nasser Al-Khafair, and he said to me, I saw him at the Trump State dinner in Doha. And he felt sorry for me as an Arsenal fan. Yes. PSG had knocked us out in the semi-final. So he said, why don't I make it up to you? Come as my guest to the final in Munich. So I went actually from Dubai to Munich, changed my plans, and I was on my own. and so I just followed my own advice I got on Shanks' Pony I walked out of the hotel and I just walked for about 10-15 minutes and I found this little roadside restaurant that looked quite fun so I looked inside and it just had a set menu and wine pairings and that was that was what it served so you just got what they gave you and I sat down and I started eating five six courses got talking to some German people around me who had absolutely no idea who I was and cared even less and were all just there for the same reason I was and I was thinking what was the last time I went to a restaurant where no one knew who I was at all or cared and wouldn't have cared even if they knew where I was on my own I hardly ever do that and I'm just having a just a lovely gastronomic experience in a city I'd never been to I loved it did you have a great time loved it What was it called?

25:41Do you know? Restaurant Le Plaisant. Le Plaisant. So I had a French name in a back street of Munich. Absolutely great food. Brilliant. And also lovely, just to go wander. And you sit outside, the sun was coming down, the church bells were twinkling. I had a lovely couple of German couples who were eating. And I just said, what do you recommend of the wine? And they're like, dum, dum, dum. So you didn't have Chateau de Bataille? Oh, Chateau Bataille, that's your red wine. Chateau Bataille, that's my go-to. That's my husband's go-to as well. Is it? He's an Arsenal supporter and it's Chateau de Passau.

26:15Who likes cricket as well. Who loves cricket, basically. So really, only one removed from you marrying me. Oh my God. How lucky would I have been? That's brilliant. Top travel tip. What's your top travel tip? Well, I think in terms of actual travel, I try and avoid ever putting anything in the hold. And I think everyone takes way too much stuff. Here's the litmus test. When you come back from a two-week holiday, work out what you didn't use and then next time don't put it in your case and you'll find you cut cut cut cut cut until eventually you're traveling with a travel on bag i just travel ever everywhere with a to me travel on bag that's it i can't do it though i try well i think it's harder for women my wife takes about she's got a trunk queen of sheba going off about 18 suitcases i was like what are you what are you gonna do with all that and this is to our house in la which has already 18 cases and stuff.

27:08Oh, you've got stuff there. Yeah. No, I just, I like to travel very light. I think the key thing is management of jet lag. And if I had a real breakthrough here, I've tried everything. Every sleeping bill, and I tried, one of the Kardashians of all people has come out with a perfectly healthy, legal gummy called Lemmy Sleep. Absolute game changer. Really? You can buy it at the airport, over the counter. in america my one of my sons recommended it in america i used it coming back from la to london a trip i normally try and avoid normally try and break it up because it's so bad with the eight hour time difference 14 hours normally it wipes me for a week zero jet lag really i mean zero it's like let me let me let me sleep let me sleep let me sleep all right let me sleep all right yeah let you sleep you take two and two a day they're perfectly natural melatonin magnesium and something else it's all natural stuff but they work so incredibly I've got a Kardashian to thank for my good sleep words I never thought I'd say I never thought you'd say that either let's go on to your poignant what's your most poignant travel memory ultimately funnily enough I would go back to I wouldn't say poignant it's quite the word but when I was stuck on Jumbu Bay with the volcano and we couldn't leave yeah and I was just with my sons we were all quite young at the time and I realized in that holiday in particular how much I enjoyed just being with my kids and so most of my time I've got at least one or two of my kids around either at Arsenal they're all massive Arsenal fans at the cricket they'll come or we go to my favorite restaurants and they'll come or they come on holiday and they come and I think that was forged from that particular holiday was just particularly we had a particularly long period of time together and I do think you can get a lot of people who are very successful or get very busy they spend a lot of time chasing their dream and they forget that sometimes a dream sitting right in front of you that actually just hanging out with your kids as they grow up and develop and evolve into human beings and adults can be the most rewarding thing you'll ever do and I think it took that holiday not not to tell me that because obviously I knew that but it was a particularly special holiday I think and then ever since I've resolved from then so the poignancy is just that I think back and think that was the catalyst for me to always say right I'm going to carve out time every year for proper holiday time with the kids and people that don't do that I think you're just missing a trick about life work's never as important as your kids ever and it goes back to your multi-millionaire billionaire quote about what you want your kids to be spending time with you Yeah, and I look at people who don't have that relationship with their kids, like at poor old, the royal family, what happened with Harry.

30:05I look at David Beckham. He's got everything in the world, but his oldest son won't talk to him. You know, you look at situations like that, you think it's really heartbreaking for people because if you don't have that, what's the point? You can be as rich as you like, as successful as you like, but if your kids don't talk to you, what's the point of life? There's a brilliant book, and I can't remember the name, but I will find it that says if you go to your own funeral what do you want to hear people saying about you and it's not like he spent all this time doing work it's that he was a good person that he was loved by his family and those things and it said why do we spend most of our life chasing the first thing instead of the second thing I'm a bit twisted I'd like some of my enemies to turn up and just say I just came to make sure he's dead I would find that really funny but I've got quite a dark sense of humor do you know what that probably will happen I'm sure I would love it to.

30:57I'd love a scene at my funeral that made headlines. What a way to go. And then you can sit up and say, aha, not really. Is he dead? And then I have a secret video appear of you still alive, emerging from the crypt. So I asked you to bring a photograph, and you've told us really about the photograph. So before I let you go, what is next for you? Where are you going next? And what is next for you? I know you have this book coming out, but just tell us where you're going next. Work-wise, I'm focused very much on the YouTube channel, Piers Morgan Unsense. So we've got, like I said, 4 million subscribers now.

31:28It's doing great guns. I really like that world. It's very interesting to me, having done lots of big talent shows and CNN and all these things, where I would get a lot of slightly older people would come up to me in the street. The thing about YouTube is the age profile of the people watching my stuff now is massively lower. So I get a lot of young people coming up really energized about Israel, Gaza, about Ukraine and Russia, about P. Diddy, about Trump, about whatever. and I love that. I love that they're engaging in news through a show like mine where I try and be fair and get lots of people on from both sides of each debate.

32:03I think it's really important to hear all sides of an argument. So that's been really fun. I've got the book Woke is Dead which is wishful thinking perhaps on my part but I'm hoping... I'm sure it will create a lot of conversation. Well, I'm hoping the book will be the beginning of the end of it. That's really why I've called it Woke is Dead. Wokeism is bad for society. We should not be leading our lives like terrified rabbits. we should be leading our lives with freedom liberation and the right to express ourselves otherwise is again what's the point um so that's that's what i'm doing work-wise travel-wise i got a great call yesterday from kevin peterson my cricket mate he's got his own youtube channel he's starting and he wants to take me to south africa for three days play leopard's creek golf course which is one of the best courses in the world owned by the great johan rupert and he wants So then take me on safari in the bush, which I've never done, to meet some lions, he said, and probably wants one of them to eat me.

33:00And then the third day, we're going to co-commentate on one of the cricket matches, which if that comes off, it's going to be one of the dream trips. It's amazing. And the other place I've never been, which I was reminded of at the Test match just happened at Laws, I've never been to India. It's a real thing that's missing on my travel. I've been pretty much everywhere I've wanted to go apart from India. So I would like to, at some stage, get over to India. So that's my travel thing. But most importantly, I'm already thinking about Club Sank on Sank. In two weeks? In about four or five weeks. It's going to be, I can already see Patrice guiding me to my table.

33:42In his white shirt. In his immaculate white shirt with his lovely wife and the wonderful staff. Mr. Morgan, welcome home. and you get led to this table and then the minity arrives, the big vegetables arrive and you think, oh, there's nowhere I'd rather be in the world than there. It's been a joy, a delight. I knew it would be. Thank you so much for taking us around the world and I might see you at Saint-Consens. I would love that. It's been great fun. Thank you very much. Thank you.

34:19Thank you.