Tom Ellis | What NOT to Expect from Australia

0:04Welcome to Travel Secrets with me, Tanya Rose, the podcast sharing wisdom for fellow travelers. Each week, I ask my guests to reveal their six travel secrets and the holidays and adventures that surround them. I would just like to say thank you to Mason Rose, the sales and communication agency that represents some of the finest hotels around the world for partnering with Travel Secrets, the podcast.

0:33Today my guest is the lovely Tom Ellis, known to us all as Gary in Miranda, the devil himself, Lucifer, winner of the Pop Culture Award, Pop Culture Icon Award? Yes. Don't even know what that is, but it sounds very impressive. I think they made it up for me. players, which I watched last night and absolutely loved. I cried with laughter. And you're going to be in the Thursday Murder Club. I am. With all those other amazing actors. With my dream list of people I ever wanted to work with in one go. I can't wait to see that. No, me too. Excellent. Excellent. You were born in Wales. Yeah. And you're friends with our lovely mutual friend, Luke Evans.

1:16I am indeed. Who is just fantastic. And you went to the Royal Academy of Scottish Drama, like the Rada of Scotland. Yes. And you're also friends with James McElroy, who's fantastic too. He's quite good, isn't he? He's very, very good. You live in LA and you have become a huge success in the States with Lucifer. I mean, honestly, it's just been amazing. Billions and billions of downloads. I know. That's bonkers, isn't it? I know. I hope I'm not going to say anything rude or anything that's going to make your eyes turn red. I'm a little bit worried. Please don't. Please don't. The only thing turning my eyes red at the moment is jet lag.

1:48So we're good. So you worked all over the world. I can't wait to hear your travel tales. And before we get into the secrets, perhaps you can just tell us a little bit about yourself and how travel has impacted the person you've become. So I, growing up, actually, I grew up in a house with, I've got three sisters and my dad was a Baptist pastor and my mum was a music teacher. So we didn't have a lot of money to go on holiday with when we did go on holiday. so what we did um was we towed a caravan i was a caravan family um and we would go mainly around the uk um sometimes we would go to france on the ferry um but i actually never got on an airplane until i was 21 years old really yeah that's amazing i know and now you live on the plane now i live on an airplane i've certainly done my time since then but yeah um i know it was it was And I didn't know any different, to be honest.

2:46You know, lots of friends of mine at school, when they went on holiday, they got to Spain for two weeks and, you know, do package holidays and all that. We would just go in a caravan, rock up to a field somewhere, probably get wet because it was Wales. And our days were basically just, you know, we'd go for a walk somewhere. My dad would plan a walk and we'd go and, you know, take packed lunches with us and cagoules and just walk and take in nature. I was really into like bird watching and stuff like that. How lovely. It was a very sort of Enid Blyton-esque upbringing in that regard. We were left to our own devices and I really loved it.

3:25I really loved it. I didn't know any different, but it certainly wasn't like palm trees and white sands. Do you do that with your kids now? I have done actually. The photo that I brought in for you guys today is me taking my kids to the campsite we used to go to every year in the Brecon Beacons, which is probably my favorite place in the world, actually. How wonderful. Where are you from in Wales? So I was born in Cardiff. And we actually moved from there when I was two years old. So moved to Swindon and then up to Sheffield, which is where I essentially grew up. And then on to Glasgow and then London.

3:59I think those holidays are so memorable. I actually grew up in Switzerland, but we used to go on riding holidays and walking holidays in the mountains. Obviously, no mobile phones, crampons, guitars, fires. It was so magical. It really was very simple but very beautiful. It's something really, I feel most at peace in those environments. If I was to go for a long walk, you know, through the peak districts or something, I think that's kind of my favorite thing to do. My husband's Welsh and he keeps on threatening that we're going to go and live in Wales because he had such an idyllic, you know, childhood.

4:35he grew up in Carmarthen and his house I think they had a cottage um on Pendine Sands yes you know where they did the road the racing yeah um but it's very beautiful I mean the beaches are really gorgeous well so a really good friend of mine actually um American guy had Scottish ancestry and he was telling me about for his 50th birthday he was coming over to the UK finally to go and you know go to all these places in Scotland etc etc and he was so excited about it and um he was invited to talk at the Hay-on-Wye Literary Festival during that trip. And so afterwards, he said, I've got to tell you, like I was so excited about going to Scotland, but I'm so glad I went to Wales because I think it's the most beautiful place I've ever been to.

5:18I don't want to live there though. I like going on holiday. If you can find that one week of the year when it's sunny in Wales, it's just incredible. Exactly. Let's get into your travel secrets. What is the number one destination you think everyone should go to once in their lifetime? Well, it's probably a bit cliche, but the Maldives. I went to the Maldives for the first time about 20 years ago, and I've been several times since. And I think if you are thinking about the old bounty commercial when you're growing up about what paradise is, it is that. I mean, it's just incredible. It's the most beautiful beaches.

5:58The water is like getting into a bath the marine life is is there you don't even need to go snorkeling i mean you can just paddle in and and see tons of stuff um the service is incredible um but the one thing that no one ever talks about which was a big plus for me is there's no mosquitoes oh i know really yeah because because um there's not a lot of fresh water on because the islands are so small um there's not a lot of fresh water supply there so there's there's no mosquitoes so you can do that thing of go out on the beach and sleep under the stars and wake up the following morning and you're not bitten alive you're not bitten alive where did you go in the Maldives um the first place I went to was a place called Cocoa Island oh yeah and then I went to um Cocoa Budahithi I went to the Four Seasons.

6:51And I went to one place called the Rania Experience for three days, which was insane. What's that, the Rania? Well, at the time, my wife and I at the time were asked to go and write about it. And we were on holiday in the Maldives. And they said, would you like to go to this place for three days? And when we got there, we couldn't actually believe it. It was our own island. Really? With a staff of about 30 people with its own private yacht that they would charter for us wherever we wanted to. I mean, it was insane. Who did you write about it for? How to spend it or somebody like that? Yeah, I can't.

7:24It was in a piece in the Times, I think. That wasn't. But yeah, we did a little bit of that back in the day. The Maldives is very beautiful. And we're just about to do the PR for a new resort that's opening. And I can't talk about it yet, but it sounds very similar. Yes. So once it's open, if you love the Maldives and you've got your kids, I shall send you there. Okay. Deal. This is recorded. You've just done a deal with the devil. There we go. Oh, my God. Lucifer himself. That's scary. What is your most unexpected travel experience? I think a couple of years ago, I ended up filming in Iceland.

8:04Oh, really? but we were there for like three weeks and we weren't filming the entire time and I've always kind of been really intrigued about Iceland but it's never been like top of my list to go to but my god I would go back it was it's the most incredible place um the I sort of described it to friends when I got back as otherworldly like it feels like you're not anywhere else I've been to on this planet. The geography, the topography, just a feeling in the air there. It feels like mystical. And they're called geezers or geysers that shush up. Yeah, but it's entirely geothermal, the island. So there's zero emissions for the entirety of the island in terms of people fueling their houses and stuff.

8:55It's all done from the ground. Wow, that's amazing. I just, I mean, we were there in February filming, which is not the best time of year to go because it was really, really cold. And dark. And dark. We had to shoot between 10 a.m. and 4 p.m. Otherwise, it was dark. But, you know, one of the things that people talk about is the northern lights. And if you're lucky, you get to see them. We saw them every night. Did you? For three weeks. I thought they would have been in the summer. That's amazing. No, they were there to see. And that in itself was just a truly sort of spiritual experience. There's no other way to sort of describe it.

9:28That's incredible. I've seen them in Scotland because that's the same longitude, latitude. One of those tudes. One of those tudes. But they are beautiful, aren't they? It's really amazing. It's breathtaking. What were you filming there? I was filming a thing called Washington Black. It's an adaptation of a novel about a young slave boy. It takes place just at the end of slavery in the British Empire. and it's about we meet him on a sugar plantation in Barbados and it's run by a vicious horrible British aristocrat. Is that you? It's not actually, that's my brother in it and I come in, I'm like a scientist and an abolitionist and I take this young boy under my wing and he becomes my sort of apprentice I suppose and I'm building a flying machine and what happens in the story is that the boy gets in trouble on the island and we end up escaping in the flying machine and it becomes this adventure around the world essentially.

10:30Oh, I can't wait to see that. Yeah. Actually, talking about all the films and things that you've done, you've done so much, but do you do a lot of shooting abroad? Certainly, you know, in the States, nothing seems to shoot in LA anymore. So you're either, you know, going up to Vancouver is very popular. I've spent a lot of time there, also very beautiful. Toronto Atlanta and on Washington Black we did Iceland Nova Scotia and Mexico. Lovely. Yeah I've never been to Mexico I'm dying to go. Oh it's great. Yeah I want to go to Mexico City apparently it's fantastic. It's beautiful it's very reminded me a lot of Barcelona actually.

11:08Oh lovely. Yeah the architecture is very similar. And the Frida Calo Museum and house and everything I'd love to see. There's so much to do there Yeah, fantastic. So let's go on to your most overrated or underrated. I don't want to get in trouble for saying this, but I feel like I went to, I planned a big trip to Australia in like 2001, I think it was, with my then girlfriend. And we went for four weeks and I was so excited about it. I mean, Australia was something I was fascinated by growing up because I, you know, watched Home and Away and Neighbours and all of it. We were saturated with Australian culture.

11:47And we spent a week in Sydney when we first got there. And I think I was really excited about the Sydney part of it. And I just, I felt a bit flat, I suppose. Only because, and Sydney is beautiful. There's no getting away from it. It's stunningly beautiful. But I'd seen the images of the Harbour Bridge and the Opera House so many times that I felt like I'd already seen it when I got there. You were a bit underwhelmed. I was a bit underwhelmed. And yeah, so it was not the sort of big thing I was expecting it to be. And then we were going to go up to Queensland and spend a couple of weeks driving down to the Whitsunday Islands.

12:27Sorry. And this is a lesson in planning holidays. We didn't plan it very well. The time of year that we went was rainy season. And we hadn't counted on that. So we got to Queensland and we got in this rental car and we started driving. It was absolutely chucking it down with rain and it didn't stop. We just didn't stop. I remember pulling over to a petrol station and my girlfriend got out and she went in to go and get some bits and pieces. And she came back in and she said, I just spoke to the guy inside and I asked him how long it's going to be like this. He said a month. And he said, oh, it's not too bad.

13:02Maybe like three or four weeks. And we were there for like two weeks. She was like, turn the car around. we're going somewhere else did you so we went back to um wherever it was in Queensland that we'd started and we decided that we were going to go to Perth because we opened the newspaper and the only place where it was sunny was Perth so that actually became a blessing because on the way to Perth we stopped at Ayres Rock or which is known as Uluru and that was the most incredible experience how wonderful of the whole trip um and it became you know we did a little tour around it and if you walk around it's a it's a big kind of spiritual mecca for the aboriginal people and it means a lot to the aboriginal people and various parts of the rock mean different things and as you walk around um there's different boards telling you you know information about what it means to the people and there was a place called the valley of silence and bearing in mind you know you're walking around in the outback there's flies everywhere you know the noises and the wildlife everywhere and all of a sudden you turn this corner and the noise just dropped away and it was complete silence my hair's going up thinking about it and it was again it was otherworldly it was one of those things that just makes you feel that as a human there's so much more than what we think um and it was a it was a really profound kind of experience so it was meant to be it was meant to be yeah and that was the thing that when we got back off this month trip that was the one thing i kept talking about it was just it had really made an impact on me and actually western australia's perth area is meant to be amazing oh it's beautiful it's a long way it is a long way but once you get there you know we went we went down the coast of Margaret River and Scarborough Beach is where we stayed.

14:57And yeah, it was... And amazing wines there. Really beautiful wines. Fantastic. And sunshine. I've never been to Australia or New Zealand, but it's so on my bucket list. And I really want to go to New Zealand. I'd love to go to New Zealand. Yeah. And that's the other place that my husband would like to live in, Wahiki Island in New Zealand. So it's Wales or Wahiki Island. And I said, well, it sounds lovely, but it's the other side of the world. Quite a long way to go. I think they're probably quite similar as well when you get there. That's the thing. I think that's the thing. That's the point, isn't it?

15:25But it is literally on the other side of the world. It's very, very far away from family. I think that's the point. Oh, deary me. Let's go on to food and drink. Food and drink is so important in all of our lives, but also in travel. It's such a part of the travel experience. Where do you like eating? What do you like eating? What do you like drinking? Where's been your favorite meal? Let's just talk generally about food and drink. I think I'm not a big breakfast person. in everyday life. But what I love when I go on holiday is the breakfast for some reason. I always seem to wake up early and, you know, I love it when it's a buffet that's got absolutely everything.

16:01I'll have a bit of this and a bit of that. And I love it when they've got like an egg station and a chef that like, I'll just make an omelette in front of you there. And then, um, and that, you know, I, I'll sort of, that my holidays now are like, I'll go and do that. I'll, I'll chill for a little bit. I'll go and maybe go to the gym for an hour and then I'll go to the beach and drink beer for the rest of the day um but i that is the most important meal for me on holiday for sure um but recently uh megan and i just went to the four seasons resort on the big island in hawaii that's first time i've been there it's a stunning property um and it's got a few restaurants on the property but one night we went to um one of the restaurants there which is like the grill and um there was various different steaks on the menu and then at the bottom there was this what looked like a ridiculously expensive thing and it wasn't very big um and it was a it was a piece of wagyu beef but it was like a5 quality or whatever you know i don't know all those things but basically it was like the best of the best of the best so we thought oh we're on holiday we'll we'll get it and the guy said you might want to get something else because it's really small so anyway this tiny tiny piece of meat comes to our table and we both cut off a slither of it and it is the nicest thing that's ever entered my mouth was it amazing it was just ridiculous it was melted it melted it just every every bit of it tasted like it just heaven and um and we got through it very very quickly so you had to order something else which we ordered exactly the same we spent so much money on the least amount of food um but it was just it was and we both agreed it was like the nicest thing we'd ever eaten and we washed it down with we both love barolo and we washed it down with that and it was um that is my favorite meal i've ever had and it was very recently absolutely delicious oh it was so good oh my goodness how wonderful and actually we can't let this podcast go by without talking about you as gary in miranda oh Yes.

18:06As the chef. As the chef. Did you learn how to cook? Or was it very much just being behind the counter and being amusing? I had to look like I knew what I was doing more than anything. I did a lot of wiping of glasses. I remember that. I mean, actually, I really love cooking. I've never sort of trained to cook. My mum loves cooking and she sort of taught me when I was growing up a few things. So it wasn't too far removed. It wasn't so much out of my comfort zone. Oh, it was just such a wonderful show. It was fantastic. I mean, I was so, I think the whole country was just, they've got to get together.

18:39They have to be together. I mean, it was so amazing how it just caught, you know, it was so infectious for people. It was lovely. I bet you had fun doing it as well. Oh my God, the most fun. Are you still all really good friends? Yeah, absolutely. Obviously, Hadis has just done Strictly. And done amazingly. And done amazing, which doesn't surprise me. And she's so lovely. Because she was our dance captain on Miranda. Well, because we always had to do, you know, the end sequence, the end titles. we always had to do something silly and sometimes that was a dance. Haddad was dance captain for that.

19:07That was so funny. And then that song that everybody always associates with Miranda, what have you done for me lately? Heather's ball. Yeah, so much fun. We did. We laughed a lot on that show. I bet you did. And then on Lucifer, so your father's a Baptist minister? In real life, not on the show. No, no, in real life. And then you became the devil. I mean, how did they feel about that? Was that quite difficult to get over? So the nice thing for me is that I knew my dad wouldn't be bothered by that at all. I think people's expectations of what he would think are much worse than the actuality. Now, more than anything, my dad, my mum and dad were thrilled that I got such a great job.

19:48But it was nice at the time to have that in my back pocket, because I knew that doing a show about the devil in America, there would be some people who um would object to that um and I was right there was there was online petitions this is before the show even came out yeah there was um a group called a million moms I think there's about two of them actually um uh started a petition online and various things in the press and it was really nice to be able to turn around and say well my dad's a baptist minister and he he gets it he's not upset by this no not at all not at all I mean people want to make something out of it when they haven't even seen it and I think that says a lot more about those people than it did about our show and actually people that watched our show realized that what we'd done with that character is we put him on a path to redemption and and what came out of that sort of storytelling you know for me along the way I'd get messages from ministers and rabbis and other you know leaders of faith that had watched the show and they were like we love what you've done with this and the message it's bringing and they've been using it you know in sermons and things like that I thought this is great it's not what we set out to do but but you became God in the end didn't you I did I got promoted at the end and actually I love that whole thing that when the American um TV people stopped it that there was a petition from the fans Yeah, so in our third season, we got cancelled by Fox.

21:25We were on Fox TV originally. But by that point, and this is how TV's changed, I guess. By that point, the first three seasons had been on other streamers around the world. So they'd license it off to Amazon and Netflix in various territories. so even though for Fox it didn't appear that the show was performing particularly well I knew because I'd been traveling around and doing press and conventions and stuff that we'd really quite gathered quite a lot of fans and when they cancelled it I thought to myself I don't think this is going to be a very popular decision I just didn't realize how unpopular and how many fans there were.

22:07Oh, really? And this, you know, from the moment the news broke, this tsunami of like love and affection towards the show just started to come out on social media and it never stopped. That's amazing. And to the point where, you know, I got a call two days later from the head of Warner Brothers Studios who made the show for Fox. And he said to me, we're not ignoring this. Something might happen. Can you come back to LA? so I came back I was in London at the time and I went back to LA and at Heathrow Airport I got a message from BBC Newsnight which is like the grown-up news channel absolutely who wanted to talk about it on the show so I did that and then yeah for like two weeks this this this um this siege of messages just kept happening kept happening and then I got a call saying that Netflix had picked it up well good for them and it was incredibly vindicating and lovely well and it was the number one show with billions and billions of downloads i mean amazing just going to show what a fox no what did they know what did they know but good for netflix that they did actually take it fantastic where was it filmed so we shot the pilot it was set in la so we shot the pilot in la and then they moved production to vancouver for two seasons and then we moved it back to la and we shot at warner brother studios so for a while i was sort of living that dream of waking up in the morning in Hollywood, driving to the studios.

23:34You know, it was really quite something. And that really put you on the map, that, didn't it? It was amazing. It did. It changed a lot of things for me, for sure. Fantastic. And you love living in LA. I do. I do. I say it like that. I moved to LA because of work. And it's been an incredibly happy hunting ground for me in that regard. I've got lots of friends there. I don't think it's somewhere that we're going to stay though I think there are nicer places to live Do you still have a home here? I do, yeah I've still got a place in London I think my wife and I have always dreamt about living in New York So I think that that will probably be next on our agenda Have you ever done anything in New York?

24:16Have you done a play in New York? I actually shot Players, the film, yeah That was in New York Yeah, and that was part of when we were like God, I'd like to do this we were staying in Brooklyn and it's probably the closest I've found to a hybrid of the UK or London definitely and America the sensibilities there felt a lot more British in many ways and it felt familiar in terms of architecture and how people are with each other and you know walking which sounds ridiculous but in LA no one walks anywhere let's go on to your top travel tip or travel secret? Well, after telling you about my Australia trip where I'm like, you should plan things, what I would say is plan in terms of climate and stuff like that generically.

25:01But my thing is I don't like to over plan when I'm going somewhere. I've got friends that like, you know, they look up everything before they go and we're going to go and do this and we're going to go and do that. And I actually, certainly if I go to cities, I don't like to plan a thing. My favorite thing to do is go to a new city and just walk, just walk, just walk, take it in. just go that looks nice so go and get a drink over there um and and yeah just sample it that way I think that that is um definitely much more appealing to me than having to be on a schedule yeah and also talk to the locals and see where they go and then you can actually say okay I'm gonna go there rather than just doing something that everybody says is the hot place completely completely what cities do you like until recently I hadn't been to Paris um and uh we went there on our honeymoon and it is just incredible it's so pretty it's so uh it's just gorgeous to walk around and and just stop at various places you just can't you know every everywhere you look it's just beautiful beautiful beautiful um Rome is one of my favorite places it's just like walking around the world's biggest museum it is everywhere you look it's just so beautiful stunning um and uh new york is a big one for me um and i really love vancouver it's it's set in a bowl of of gorgeous nature essentially it's in you know got this water all around it and then the mountains and it all cascades down towards the the architecture of the city itself is not amazing but that's not why vancouver's beautiful it's the nature there is just stunning And is it Victoria Island or something like that?

26:44Yeah, Vancouver Island, but Victoria is the town on it. Yeah. And there's a lot more architecture there that you would recognize, a lot of British influence there. Yeah. But Canada generally, I really have a great time there. So lovely. Because they've got a very similar sense of humor to us. Yeah. Have you ever been to Istanbul? I haven't been to Istanbul. It is my favorite city in the world. Is it? It's absolutely wonderful. And there is a new peninsula that's just opened, which you must go to. It's right on the Bosphorus. Okay. It's the best hotel that's there now. But that whole East meets West is so exciting.

27:17And, you know, the market, the Medina is wonderful, the mosques. But honestly, it is the most beautiful city. Oh, I'd love to do that. If you have got like four days when you're between shooting or something and you're over here, you must go. It's absolutely wonderful. You would love it. Oh, I think I really would. I've been to Morocco a few times. I had a great time there. I've just come back from Tangiers. And it's been raining here for four months. and it's been lovely in London this week and it was pouring with rain. I was like, please, God, no. Actually, the King of Morocco owns the Royal Mansour in Marrakesh.

27:49He's just opened one in Tamuda Bay, which has the most glorious beach you have ever seen. So, yeah, Istanbul and the King of Morocco's three hotels, Casablanca, Marrakesh and Tamuda, would be a good three place for you to go. So I know you're very, very busy with all your shooting, but I would honestly look at your schedule and see when you could do those because they'd love to have you as well. Oh, no, I'd love to do that. Yeah. I'd love to do that. Take your kids with you. So I asked you to tell us about the most poignant travel experience you've ever had. The most poignant is probably going back to what I was talking about earlier, the Brecon Beacons.

28:29It was the one place that we went back to every year, the same campsite with our family friends that were sort of closer to us than our actual family. and we went every year in the caravans the farmer got to know us so well actually that we weren't staying in the main field with the other caravans he let us have our own private field further down and it's it's literally on the banks of the river rusk um and you know we'd see otters and kingfishers trout and it really was you know really magical you know we'd disappear and build dams and rope swings and you know it was a great way to grow up and holiday and I took my kids there I've taken them a couple of times now and they watching them have the same experience was just really um I wouldn't say moving but it was moving it was like and very poignant it was really poignant and it was really lovely especially now because you know when I used to go there were no mobile phones and you know there was a crackly radio in the corner and we get BBC long way radio four or something um but these days you know everyone's buried into their screens and all that and there was none of that everyone just ditched it and we just were in nature in the best possible way and it that's i think it's so lovely and when luke evans was on this podcast we talked about travel obviously and he had a very similar upbringing to you yeah they went and caravanning every year and mainly around wales so his whole thing is that's that's what really means something to him and he said wherever he goes in the world that's the thing that really touches his soul interesting i think there's something about it as well where it you you have to make when you do that you have to make the best of it um you're not expecting all these comforts that you that come with a hotel and premiums that you pay for and stuff it's just and it you know inevitably in wales it's going to be raining a lot of the time and just that sound of the rain hitting the caravan roof and I sort of huddled up inside playing Scrabble it's just I find that so comforting but lovely you play games yeah we play games we play cards you know I remember mum and dad trying to teach us my young once and I was like really complicated let's get back to snap exactly exactly anyone for uno yeah or monopoly that goes on for hours and hours and hours I don't think I've ever finished a game of monopoly I don't think so I or in the end I just got rid of my things because I was bored I was like you know what you can buy my stuff exactly That's fine.

30:56So finally, I asked you to bring a photograph that sums up travel. And can you tell us about the photograph and just tell us what that sums up, how that sums it up? So I was a bit, I wasn't sure what to do. So I brought a photo from that trip, actually, of my kids, one of them on a rope swing, dangling over the river, the river usk and just in exactly the same position that I was when I was their age. so that was really poignant for me and then the other one because that was what my holidays were like growing up and since I've become an adult and you know make more money than my parents used to so I can afford nicer holidays in that regard the other photograph I brought was of a can of Carlsberg lager just placed nicely with the Indian Ocean in the background and it was at the time the time I went was when Carlsberg were running that campaign Carlsberg don't do such and such but if they did they'd probably be the best such and such in the world so that was my Carlsberg don't do holidays if they did this would probably be the best holiday in the world and do you drink Carlsberg um I did on that trip because that's what they had how wonderful well thank you for bringing those beautiful photographs and finally what is next for you I mean I know you're doing the third Thursday murder club yeah which is exciting with all these amazing actors but what else have you got coming up and where else are you going next to travel to Thursday murder club is out later this year um Washington Black is out later this year and then I will be going to Toronto next to go and film on um the final season of Tell Me Lies which is my wife's show um that I was in last year so she wrote it she wrote it she created it yeah I haven't seen Tell Me Lies yeah well tell me about tell me lies oh tell me lies is um it's about sexual toxicity um it centers around um a couple in their college years and then eight years later um and it's about basically the overarching theme of it is the lies that we're prepared to tell ourselves and each other when sex or love is on the line oh wow i must watch that is that on netflix it is on uh hulu in the states and over here it's on disney plus ah good well i'm a member of disney plus so i can do that there you go last night it's quite raunchy i'm just going to put it out there excellent excellent tom it has been such a joy and delight to get to know you and to go around the world with you thank you so much thank you tanya thank you for coming thanks for having me