Asking Benjamin Netanyahu The Tough Questions

20:31That's ridiculous. So the standard that is being applied is not merely wrong. It's just downright dangerous because you're really rewarding these monstrous terrorists with the greatest prize. And that's because of weakness. It's weakness. It's weakness in the face of distorted media, of packed social networks, packed with bot bots. Bot bots. B-O-U-G-H-T-B-O-T-S. Bot bots. But it's also just these radical minorities which are protesting there. And by the way, you should ask your starmer. Here's a suggestion. Ask him, okay. What do these protesters say about Britain? I know what they say about Israel.

21:15Israel has to be destroyed from the river to the sea. You'd think this is a massive continent. It's all of 30, 40 miles, okay? But what do they say about Britain? Well, Britain should go down. What do they say about the UK? And the same for the protesters in the US. They burn Israeli flags. They burn American flags. And they burn the UK flag. So they're basically a hostile minority supporting monstrosities. And I think that it's shameful the way that the Western leaders in Britain, in France, in Canada, in New Zealand, the way they buckle under. They don't have, you know, Europe has gone through the destruction of the Jews.

22:02Eighty years later, that's what they have to say. They attack the Jewish state and they give a prize for those who would destroy the one and only Jewish state. Shameful.

22:13Konstantin Kisin:But, Prime Minister, they would say that the amount of casualties that are now being inflicted upon the Palestinian people, the suffering that the Palestinian civilians are going through, that Israel has achieved practically all of its aims. And if Israel continues to perpetuate this war, what it's going to do is it's going to radicalize the population even more. So the more population gets radicalized, the more that joins Hamas. So essentially what Israel will be trapped in is a forever war. What do you say to that argument? I think the forever war is the opposite. I think if we leave them there and they're committed to our destruction, then you'll have a forever war.

22:55But what is happening on the ground is actually the opposite. What is happening on the ground is we now have Gazans who are fighting Hamas because they see now in the closing phase of this war, after we had to go through these seven fronts against all the proxies and Iran itself, and now we're circling back to finish off Hamas and demolish its last stronghold in Gaza. They see hope. They say, don't let up. Gazans, they kill Hamas. They fight Hamas. They die fighting them. And they're saying this is our final hope to free ourselves from this tyranny. You know, this tyranny that has caused them endless suffering and has not invested a penny of the billions that they received for the people of Gaza.

23:41So quite the opposite. It's free. You know, we're fighting. You hear the slogan, free Gaza. I agree. Free Gaza from Hamas terror. Free Gaza from Hamas tyranny. Now, as far as Israel's performance on the battlefield, this is the fraud. It's not merely the starvation fraud. It's a genocide fraud. If we wanted to commit genocide, we would have done it in one afternoon. We have the capacity. But we don't do that. Look at the way the Allied forces fought in Fallujah. Look at the way they fought in Mosul. It took them nine months against 3 ,000 terrorists. Nine months. 3 ,000 terrorists. We face 10 times the number of terrorists.

24:24And what do we do? We call up the Palestinian civilians and we say, leave the area. No, millions. Millions of text messages, millions of individual phone calls. Please get out. And Hamas stands there and tries to prevent them by shooting them, killing them. So what do you think? Is that genocide? No, it isn't. You know it isn't. And yet Israel is being blamed. And of course, the ratio of combatants to non-combatants killed is about one and a half to one, which is probably a few. I mean, I think every civilian death is a tragedy. We do everything we can, as no army has done in history in such dense urban warfare to prevent it.

25:06But Israel can't be, it's not merely that it can't be held to a higher standard. It's held to an impossible standard. I mean, look at the allies in World War II. You know what they did when they went into Congress? Do you know? Of course. What did they do? Tell me, what did they do? Did they call civilians to leave? Did they give them, you know, caravans of food? Did anything like that happen? No.

25:28Francis Foster:Well, let's be honest, and this is an argument I've made myself. At the end of World War II, we flattened Germany because they made us, because we had to destroy the military infrastructure, the transportation infrastructure to actually be able to win the war. But we live in a very different age now, don't we, Prime Minister, where all the atrocities of war are instantly available to everybody around the world on social media. And that is something you said in your own press conference last week when you said when you were asked whether Israel is winning the PR war, you said you said we're definitely not.

26:01Francis Foster:And that's putting it very mildly. So that's the challenge you face now, isn't it? Yes. But, you know, I never thought of Winston Churchill as a war criminal, but I guess he would be held as such today. But, of course, it's not really towards the end of the war that you flatten Germany when you cross the, you know, when you cross the channel in Normandy. And you went into the cities, just bombed these cities, tank fire, artillery fire, air fire, without giving notice or anything like that. And you did it because you had to destroy the enemy. So you're right. It's a different era. That's why we are acting differently.

26:37And we are acting, we're holding ourselves to the highest standard. And yet we're being condemned by those who know better, who know better and even saw their own troops in Afghanistan or in Iraq. be that as it may, you know, it's very hard to fight the deception, the lies, the starved children. The pictures of starved children are turned out to have cerebral palsy or other congenital diseases that leave them emaciated. And Israel is, of course, accused of starving children, pretty much the way that in the Middle Ages, Jews were accused of killing Christian children for their blood. So, you know, what do you do against the lie that circles the earth 10 times before the truth has a chance to emerge?

27:24You have to shorten the war as speedily as possible. And frankly, we also have to do something about the algorithms and the social networks. This is a big challenge. I don't want to dismiss it. But look, we Jews have been fighting and losing the propaganda war for about 2 ,500 years. But what's different now is that we're winning the ground war. We're forcing, you know, what comes after the propaganda vilification is massacres, you know. And what we're doing now, massacres that we were completely defenseless with. Right now, after the vilifications come the attacks, but we're winning those attacks.

28:03That's the change. And the faster we win, I think the faster the propaganda war will dissipate.

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29:24Konstantin Kisin:There are critics of yours, Prime Minister, who will say, well, part of the reason that Israel is losing the propaganda war is when you have ministers like Smotrich making incendiary or inflammatory comments, and there doesn't seem to be any particular pushback from your government to this, they go, well, what does a prime minister really believe? Well, what I believe I say, in a parliamentary system, people are free to say, sometimes they say things they don't quite mean. It happens all the time. It happens in any parliamentary system, as you know, and it happens in Britain, too. But I think that on the whole, the people, the government is united.

30:06Most of the people are united, not all. You have a very active fringe.

30:11Francis Foster:Prime Minister, forgive me, but these aren't parliamentarians. These are people who are part of your government and they remain part of your government after they say these things that to many people, even your friends, sound a little bit like ethnic cleansing is being discussed. Well, we're not discussing ethnic cleansing. And to the extent that we have these conversations around the cabinet, the security cabinet, that is actually not being discussed by these people. But they have disagreements with me. That's part of a parliamentary coalition, and they can leave. And in fact, some of them have left the government in the course of this war.

30:42They came back because they disagreed with my decisions on hostage negotiations. They left, or they voted against, or they did both. And that's common. And to say, to describe this as anything but unique. This is a democracy. You know, I think there too, come on, understand, you know very well how that works in Britain and how it works elsewhere. I don't condone the idea of the ethnic cleansing. I don't seek to occupy Gaza and, you know, settle it. I think that our goal there is to make sure that we have a security belt, which a security cordon, which we'll probably...

31:21Konstantin Kisin:But Prime Minister, may I just interrupt? When When you have your finance minister making a speech and talking about occupying Gaza, and there doesn't seem to be any pushback within the government, people quite rightly, in my opinion, would say, well, surely aren't you condoning that type of rhetoric? No. And that is exacerbating Israel's PR problem. I disagree completely. When somebody says that, and I'm asked, is that your policy? And I say, no, it's not my policy. I don't intend to build settlements or communities in Gaza and not Israeli ones. I want a non-Israeli civilian governance after that is committed to living in peace with us and doesn't condone terror, educate their children to terror, finance terror or launch terror, which is what Hamas does.

32:04And frankly, what the Palestinian Authority would do, too. So we're not we're not going that route. But I don't want to build Israeli communities there. And I've said it openly. And they asked me, you know, your minister of finance says this. And what do you say? Well, I say I disagree with them. And I say that, you know, he's entitled to say his things. That's not ethnic cleansing. It's a view. It's a legitimate view, which I happen to disagree with. But I can tell you that I think there too, the statements that nullify and challenge the various lies that are leveled at us, you just can't keep up with it.

32:43It's like a flood. I'm too busy winning the war. I sometimes winning the actual war to debunk every single, you know, every single lie that is put against us or against me. And you're vilified. You're a war criminal. You're a demon. You're demonized all the time. And just say noise. Put that aside. Win the war. Win it judiciously. use just means and have a just war that you have to win if you're going to live and survive in this very brutal area. And let me tell you, we will win it. And I think we'll win the peace with it too. Because I think in our area, that's what, in your area too, people respect the strong.

33:29And the strong have to win. The strong can be evil or they can be good, but you cannot lose. If you lose, nobody will make alliances with you. Nobody will make peace with you. You make peace with the strong, you make alliances with the strong. The strong survive. But the strong survive not only through their guts, but also through their wits and through their commitment to their cause. And my cause is the survival of the one and only Jewish state, often against incredible vilification and lies, but that's the way this cookie crumbles, but the state of Israel will not.

34:10Konstantin Kisin:Because what you're saying, and look, I have a sympathy with what you're saying, of course I do, but when you say that this is just noise, I would strongly push back against that Prime Minister, because if you look at particularly Gen Z and the younger generation's opinions of view on Israel, They are, to put it mildly, Prime Minister, deeply unfavorable. And those kids now, they are going to be the next ones to go into politics. They're going to be the next decision makers. That must present you with a very real worry that Israel will not enjoy the same level of support, particularly from the U.S., that it has once done when those kids come to be the decision makers.

34:52Well, ask them in Britain and ask them in the U.S. what they think of Britain and the U.S. What do they think? And what are they saying? There's a big campaign, and it's organized and systemic, and it's financed to tear away traditional elements of support from Israel. It's not just happening by itself. A lot of it is organized. And if it's organized, you can counter it to, at the appropriate time, you just have to concentrate your attention to it. And I agree with you that it's an important point. And I'll tell you what they're saying. They're saying, for example, those in America were saying We're pro-American.

35:27You're pro-American and you attack Israel that is fighting the people who tried to assassinate President Trump twice, not once, who bombed American embassies, who murdered 241 American Marines in Beirut, who murdered and wounded thousands of Americans in Iraq and Afghanistan with Iranian IEDs. Iran that chants death to America, death to the traitors, to the heathen, and so on. This is the people you support. And in fact, that's where there's support. Not only that, you heard some other outlandish things that they do. I mean, they're some of their most prominent spokesmen. They say, well, Netanyahu is trying to drag Trump into a war.

36:13Did you hear that? You hear that one? Yeah, well, okay. And what do I want to do? because I want ground troops, American ground troops, boots on the ground to conquer Iran and bring about regime change and all that nonsense. And thank God President Trump has proven an exceptional, exceptional friend of Israel, an exceptional leader. And he did exactly the right action, the precise action using American power and came in, I think, in a very forceful but judicious way. I think we've been very fortunate to have a leader in the United States who doesn't act like the European leaders who doesn't succumb to this stuff.

36:50But if you're telling me that there's work to be done on Gen Z and across the West, yes. And by the way, it's not only our job. We are, as your colleague Douglas Marius said, we're the litmus test for the survival of the West, because these people are against the West. They're not for the West. They're against the West. and there's the horseshoe effect of the woke left meeting the woke right and challenging the basic precepts of Western civilization. And I think that has to be challenged not merely by Israel or by me, but by you. And I know that you're doing it and I want to commend you for doing it.

37:30Francis Foster:Well, we've certainly been challenging the woke right and that's one of many critics, but we'll continue to do it. Prime Minister, I know you're limited on time. We'll just do a couple more questions. And I want to ask you about the future. And I know that if I say to you, well, what does the future of Gaza look like? You're going to say, we've got to destroy Hamas. We agree. You're going to say, we want the hostages back. We agree. You're going to say, we've got to demilitarize Gaza so they can't do October the 7th again. We agree. And then you're going to say, and then we need a civilian government in Gaza that's not hostile to Israel.

38:00Francis Foster:And that's where you lose me, Prime Minister, because I look at the opinion polls. I look at the people celebrating October the 7th in Gaza. I look at the fact that thousands of civilians crossed into Israel on October the 7th to commit the atrocities that were committed. And I go, these people hate you. They hate you. They hate Israel and they hate Jews. How are you going to have a peaceful coexistence with those people, particularly given the fact that, as Francis mentioned earlier, they have been very heavily radicalized, not only through the education system, but through the fact that they've been on the receiving end on Israel's war, I found.

38:38Well, I think what you're pointing out to is that you need also a program of de-radicalization. Now, has that been done in societies that have been conditioned to hate their adversaries? Yes, of course, it's been done in two places prominently, in Japan and in Germany, but it's also been done in the Middle East. I mean, there have been very noteworthy programs, successful programs of de-radicalization in some of the Gulf states, which are actually proving to break this prototype of Arab societies that cannot seize the future. I'm not saying they're model democracies, mind you. They're not. But they certainly want to seize modernity and not go back to the savage and early medievalism that the Islamic fundamentalists want to drag us all to.

39:36So I think that there's a need for de-radicalization. It has to be part of the reconstruction of Gaza. You not only reconstruct Gaza, you also de-radicalize Gaza. It's going to be a heavy lift, but it's necessary and it can be done.

39:52Francis Foster:Prime Minister, final question we ask all of our guests on the show is, what is the one thing that we are not talking about as a society? And in your case, as a civilization, I would say, What are we not talking about within Western civilization that we should be talking about? Well, three things. History, history, and history. This is an ahistorical generation that is being raised here. And if its sense of history goes back to breakfast, you're lucky. And unless you know how we got here, you don't know how to proceed from here. And that is, I think, lacking. Not lacking on your part, obviously, but would you agree?

40:31Francis Foster:I certainly would, but can you flesh that out for us? What are the lessons you would want people to take from history that you feel that they're not? Well, I'll tell you the lessons that we, the Jewish people, took from history. Number one is when somebody says they're going to annihilate you, take it seriously. Don't wait for them to do it, but prevent them as we did in the remarkable action that we took against Iran because they were developing nuclear weapons, and they were going to have 20 ,000 ballistic missiles, one-ton ballistic missiles that in a country the size of Israel, which is tiny, it's like the size of Wales or New Jersey, that would obliterate us.

41:09So we had to take action, and we didn't wait for them to annihilate us first. And I think that, I think in general, for the democracies, I would say, well, how about remembering Churchill's warning? He said that the democracies fall into the slumber of democracies. And he said that it's only when the jarring gong of danger wakes them up that, you know, they do something about it. Well, they might sleep through the jarring gong of danger, because I think it's gonging well enough right now. You have these Islamic radicals, Islamist radicals that want to tear up Arab society. They want to subjugate all the Muslims.

41:54They want to destroy Israel. They want to obliterate Christians one after the other. And they say they're going after you. They're developing intercontinental ballistic missiles that can reach into Europe and soon into the United States. And, you know, Western leaders can go on blaming Israel for this, for fighting this common menace, or they can do something about it. And it remains to be seen whether they've drawn the lesson. But we have. We've learned the lessons of history. Somebody says he's going to kill you, wake up in time. And you know something? That's from biology, too. You know, for an organism to survive, it has to recognize danger in time.

42:38And it has two options at that point, to fight or flight. You know, flight or fight. and we have nowhere to flee. We're in our ancestral homeland and we're not going anywhere. So we fight them, but we're not fighting them only on our behalf. We're fighting them on your behalf too. And I hope that you have the opportunity to carry this message far and wide. So I thank you for this.

43:06Francis Foster:Thank you for your time, Prime Minister. Thank you.

43:11Konstantin Kisin:The mood music about history, which I agree in the last, let's say, 15 years has been intensely moralistic.

43:20Francis Foster:Is that wrong? Like, should we not be trying to learn the moral lessons from the past? The biggest killers were utopian idealists.

43:28Konstantin Kisin:They were people who believed in a better world. Hitler undoubtedly, you know, it sounds weird to say it, but he's an idealist. Stalin is obviously an idealist. Mao is an idealist. They think they are going to make a better world. We now have a slightly sanitized and self-deluding idealistic view of human nature and of what we're capable of. They've been completely insulated from the beast in other people and in themselves. Knowledge of the beast is so important.

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