Britain's Free Speech Crisis, Rayner and Refugee Murder

15:18Konstantin Kisin:So I'm sure... I mean, it's a really interesting situation with the Labour government because normally a government runs out of steam towards the end of the first term or in its second or third term. I mean, it's barely been a year and they're on their ass. And everybody's just looking at it going, I mean, this is going to die pretty quickly. And it's not if, it's when and how quickly it's going to die. And so the Angela Rayner thing is just another body blow for a Labour government that's run out of ideas. It doesn't know what it's doing and it's not fit for purpose.

15:59Francis Foster:Well, I don't know if you remember, but after the last election in which Labour won the landslide that they currently enjoy, I did an article and video on our channel called Labour's Landslide Shows the Country's Moving to the Right. It sounded kind of crazy when they've just won this landslide. But the point I made in that video, in that article, first and foremost, was the problems Labour are inheriting are structural in nature. And all of their bullshit claims about how the country is being ruined by the evil Tories because they hate the poor and all of this other stuff is going to turn out to be vacuous drivel very quickly.

16:35Francis Foster:And then they're going to realize they're saddled with all the same problems, which is what's happening, number one. But the other thing is, this is the thing is you want to run your mouth. You want to talk a lot of about the other side. I respect that. Like I talk a lot of shit about people and things and whatever, But you best be able to back it up. And if you talk about the evil Tories like Nadim Zahawi, who I've never been a big fan of, by the way, you know, having dodgy tax affairs and all this stuff, you best make sure that you're whiter than white when it comes to your affairs. Now, with Angela Rayner, I have to say it's still an ongoing discussion.

17:13Francis Foster:From some of the things I've seen, I actually think she's kind of victim to something that 99 % of people would fall victim to. So what happened with her is basically the British tax code is so complicated. You have to get loads of tax advice if you're doing anything remotely challenging with it. And she got legal advice about the trust that she had for a disabled child while selling a problem. super complicated. And they said in the legal advice, you're probably all right, but you best get specialist tax advice. And what she did is what 99 % of people would do in that situation, which is not get the specialist tax advice and just for chance.

17:52Francis Foster:If you are then going to end up being deputy prime minister, that will probably come back to bite you in the ass. But that is not the same as someone actively setting out to profit from tax shenanigans. Right. There's also some questions about the revision of the value of the property. It's an ongoing discussion. But and so I actually would be quite prepared to defend her on the basis that, you know, a lot of the people, people won't agree with this. People will hate this or you see this all in the comments. Oh, she should be. These are this is going to be coming from a lot of the people who've paid a bill to cash in hand.

18:30Francis Foster:You've done all of the stuff that we all know people do. And by the way, I'll be honest with you. I don't do it simply because I know that people are going to be rummaging around in our stuff but most people who are not public figures in some way let's be honest most people in Britain the very same ones who are complaining about Angela Rayner will like I say pay a bill of cash in hand or do a little bit of this everybody does it to some extent particularly when it comes to super complex things you probably just can't be asked okay they've said it's alright it's probably alright do you know what I mean?

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21:59Konstantin Kisin:Get up to 10 % off at plaud.ai using the code TRIGGER at checkout or click the link in the description. Thank you to Plaud for sponsoring today's episode. Well, I mean, that's it. So she was Labour's attack dog, basically. And then she was actually really good at it. You can see clips online of her going after Boris Johnson and Boris Johnson reeling and not being able to handle her, which I found actually quite satisfying. But the problem is, is like you said, is that you adopt and every political party needs one of those. Let's also be very clear. Left, right, centre. You need that kind of bulldog-esque who's going to go after somebody and be relentless about it.

22:44Konstantin Kisin:And it ain't going to be Keir Starmer. but if you adopt that role you best be sure that everything in your history is squeaky clean because you are going to make a lot of enemies and they're going to use whatever they can in order to bring you down just like you have done to them well this might sound idealistic but i

23:04Francis Foster:would much rather we lived in a world where we kind of understood that this is an impossible standard for people to meet. And if we're going to destroy government after government after government over these things, I don't actually think that's conducive to a healthy political climate. I just don't. I don't think we want people in politics who've never, ever, ever, ever even remotely done anything that can be in the super bright light of media scrutiny, be misconstrued or presented as this person being the most evil tax evading person, whatever. But if politicians keep setting this standard for their opponents, then they will keep reaping those same consequences.

23:46Francis Foster:By the way, one other thing on this. Can they please stop fucking crying? Oh, my God. You know that thing about two-tier T-I-E-R? It's becoming the two-tier T-E-A-R government. Why do you all keep crying? I mean, this is it.

24:03Konstantin Kisin:Stop fucking crying. Do you think Vladimir Putin is looking at Rachel Reeves, snivelling into a snot rag and going, you know, you know, you, Dimitri, we must call off war. They're too strong. Can they please stop crying?

24:19Francis Foster:Why are you crying? I don't want to see you crying. You're supposed to be the leaders of our country who, like you say, are supposed to project strength across the world. Why are you crying on TV? Because you fucked up your taxes or whatever it is and now you have to stop crying. Can they please all stop crying? You know, could you imagine like Churchill? Do you know, Churchill did cry a fair bit. He did, but he did it in private. Yeah, exactly. Like a real man. Exactly. I don't want to hear about your mental health. But you know what? You say that in a satirical way. I mean it. I don't want to hear about the prime minister's mental health.

25:01Francis Foster:No. The person at the top of our country who's in charge should be the most mentally resilient person that we've ever seen in human history. Yes. Who doesn't break, who doesn't fail, who's always there on the ball, and he can have his fucking breakdown when he leaves power. Yeah. People think I'm joking. I'm not joking. I do not care about your mental health if you're the prime minister. No. Or the chancellor. Do your fucking job. This is it.

25:26Konstantin Kisin:Because the whole point of being a prime minister is you are meant to be prime ministerial. You are meant to be the person, the guy, and it is a man, right, who comes out and everyone's like, that's our guy. That's our leader. He's in charge. He knows what he's doing. In fairness, it wasn't him crying. It's all the women he's appointed. And look, just stop crying.

25:51Francis Foster:Yeah. I'm not interested. I'm genuinely incredibly not interested.

25:55Konstantin Kisin:And then everyone talks about the crying and like, oh, I feel sorry for her. I don't. You wanted the job. You wanted one of the most difficult jobs a person can do. That's on you. Yeah. I wouldn't be able to do it. Yeah. But at least I know that.

26:10Francis Foster:Yeah.

26:10Konstantin Kisin:At least I don't go in there and start going. What's Xi Jinping thinking? He must be pissing himself if he had a sense of humour, which he probably doesn't. Yeah. But we're a joke. We arrest people for tweets. Oh, politicians are crying all the time. Our country's going down the toilet.

26:28Francis Foster:Yeah. Well, the result of her resignation, of course, is there's been a big reshuffle. David Lammy, now Deputy Prime Minister. It just gets even better, mate. By the way, I don't know if you noticed this. I was reading all the news coverage and universally throughout all the media, this phrase was used about David Lammy, which is he was widely known to have worked very hard to establish relationships with other countries in advance of becoming foreign secretary yeah right that's not my recollection of what happened my recollection of what happened i i looked it up i'll actually have to read this we looked it up before we started because this is worth reading out when he was a backbench mp in 2018 not that long ago david lammy described trump as a tyrant a woman hating neo-nazi sympathizing sociopath.

27:14Francis Foster:And then in 2019, ahead of his state visit to the UK, Lammy also posted that he was deluded, dishonest, xenophobic, narcissistic, and no friend of Britain. But in his first interview since Trump's victory, David Lammy told the BBC that the president-elect was someone that we can build a relationship with in our national interest. Do you know... These people are fucking shameless. I know, mate. Just absolutely shameless.

27:41Konstantin Kisin:Do you know how tarnished David Lammy is? I'll tell you how tarnished he is. He's become the first black deputy prime minister, or he's about to be. No one's mentioned his race. No one's mentioned his race. You'd expect the left to have their dicks out and go, and this is amazing. The only thing that could be better if he was trans. But no one's even mentioned it, because it's like, oh, it's him. By the way, by all accounts, David Lammy, very smart.

28:09Francis Foster:Went to Harvard. And up until a certain point was saying some really sensible things about fatherlessness in the inner city communities and all this stuff. And then you just went f***ing mental.

28:19Konstantin Kisin:It's right, because I'd say about 10 to 15 years ago, he was blue Labour, David Lammy. He was on the right of the Labour Party, particularly when it comes to culture. And then when the woke movement hit, I mean, he didn't even drink the Kool-Aid. He just froze some of it, used it as a suppository so it could be dumped from both ends. And he went absolutely taunt up.

28:42Francis Foster:Anyway, he's Deputy Prime Minister now. And the Home Secretary is Shabana Mahmood, who was until very, very recently seen at globalised the Intifada rallies. What's not to love? And by the way, you know, we joke about all of this, but I tell you something now. I know a lot of people, as you do, in the American halls of power, they don't look at these issues the way that we do. They think we're going to share our security intelligence information with these people, people who are there, globalize the interfada rallies. Yeah. You think like this is seriously discrediting. And by the way, Shabana Mahmood is seen within the Labour Party is going to be she's going to be tough on immigration.

29:21Yeah.

29:22Konstantin Kisin:Well, she's she's very much apparently to the right of the Labour Party. Says a lot about the Labour Party. I don't know, mate. I was reading. So she's a pro-castrating nonsense. Is she? Yeah. She came out.

29:34Francis Foster:I'm starting to like her.

29:36Konstantin Kisin:Yeah, she came out and said, yeah, I think we need to castrate them.

29:39Francis Foster:Maybe we need more Muslims in halls of power, mate, because at least they've got traditional values on those things.

29:44Konstantin Kisin:Yeah. And also when it came to the assisted dying bill, she voted against it from a religious point of view. So it's kind of... And I think people don't talk about this enough. As the Muslim population grows, the Muslim population traditionally will be largely predominantly Labour voters. And I think Keir Starmer is looking at your party or whatever it's called, Jeremy Corbyn. He's looking at the independents who are gaining traction on basically Gaza and Palestine. And he's thinking to himself, I've got to hold this broad coalition together. I've got to hold the white working class, the metropolitan liberals, the Muslims.

30:27Konstantin Kisin:So he's going to have to put people in to appease all these different people, which is why I think losing Angela Rayner is such a body blow to him. Because for a party that purports to be about the working classes, you're looking at a lot of those front benches. You're like, you? Are you working? Well, Angela Rayner had the backstory. And now that she's gone, that's a real blow to them in terms of the optics.

30:54Francis Foster:And what you're going to get, you know, I mean, you've got you literally have someone whose job it is to be in charge of policing, immigration, etc. Who is attending globalize the I mean, do people understand what that means? Globalize the the interfade is a violent terrorist movement. That's what the interfade is. So global people, I don't really understand how that's going to work. but that and this is something again not not to spend this entire episode talking about how brilliant we are but when i remember when i first spoke out about woke culture and this far left ideology infecting british culture and politics and everything people were like well why like oh you turned down that contract once people said you can't make jokes at a comedy event at a university.

31:47Francis Foster:These are just young people. It's just students. Students are always a bit crazy on this stuff. No, they're going to grow up and then they're going to become lawyers and eventually they'll become politicians and influential people. And this is what you have now, this ridiculously simplistic, like there's a sign of her standing with a free Palestine thing. And irrespective of what you think about what's happening in Gaza, standing with a placard with the words Free Palestine is not going to resolve the Middle East peace crisis has been going on for 70 years. It's simplistic student politics sloganeering and that person is now in charge of the Home Office.

32:29Francis Foster:So, what you've ended up with is essentially people in power who think that just saying some simplistic words is the way to achieve things. I don't think it is. No.

32:42Konstantin Kisin:No. And it's And there's going to be a lot of people who look at this and think, like in America, and going, can we share state secrets? Can we work together? Particularly when you have people in America who are very pro-Israel. And you go, well, this is a fundamental incompatibility. I think what's really worrying on a broad level is we have got a political party that is simply not fit for purpose. And my concern is going to be they're going to limp on. Things are going to get worse and worse and worse until we get to another election. I was reading how there's a group of Labour MPs who were talking openly about needing to tax the rich even more, increase taxes in order to improve public spending.

33:31Konstantin Kisin:I'm going, you're just what are you doing? These are people who have no understanding of business, how to run a business. How to generate wealth. Well, if you don't know how to run a business, you don't know how to generate wealth, then why are you in charge of the economy?

33:47Francis Foster:Well, if you look at most of the people in the Labour cabinet, most of them don't have business experience. They all have public service experience or university experience or politics experience. So that's why one of the reasons that they treat wealth as something that government creates, because they don't understand where it comes from. So to them, it's just about you put taxes up, you get more money off these evil, blood-tucking, leeching rich people. And the problem is, you know, when they made the changes on the non-doms, the non-doms just left. And you haven't got more money. You've just alienated lots of rich people.

34:24Francis Foster:Okay, fine. I mean, if you want to do that for ideological reasons, I get it. It's the same thing they did with VAT on private school fees. It's just about punishing people for having aspiration. is not actually raising a lot of money. No. Dozens of schools have closed as a result. There will be hundreds, maybe thousands, maybe tens of thousands of children that don't get the education they otherwise would have got, a better education, for which their parents were paying, therefore taking the burden off the state system. Right? But it's just ideology. It's about punishing people for success and for aspiration.

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35:49Konstantin Kisin:I've been taking it myself, and honestly, I'm falling asleep faster, and my mind actually switches off at night, which used to be a battle. Shut it. Of course it did. Head to V-E-R dot S-O and use code TRIGGER to get 15 % off your first order. Or click the link in the description. That's V-E-R dot S-O. Code TRIGGER. I had a real issue with the school fees. It's because there was a conversation to be had because every private school is a registered charity. And maybe we needed to have a conversation like, you're a registered charity. What's your turnover? can you get any kids in on a scholarship maybe just one or two if you're a tiny school i mean most private schools do have scholarships do there's one or two that don't i remember i had a friend of mine who uh worked in a very prestigious private school where the sons of the beckhams went and they had no scholarships whatsoever that is unacceptable right but you we can have a conversation about it and go okay well maybe this maybe that and then we can work together to ensure opportunity for talented kids who couldn't otherwise afford that type of education.

37:00Konstantin Kisin:But to just use that blanket, that to me was an act of class warfare. That's what it was. But this is what they do.

37:11Francis Foster:This is what they do because you can't actually fix the real problems of the economy if you're wedded to the ideology that they're wedded to. And people will see when our episode with Catherine Porter comes out, just how much this country is crippled by its net zero policies that are actually not achieving the results that they should be. You can't grow an economy when you've got some of the highest electricity and energy prices in the world because the economy is energy transformed into products and services. That's what you do, right? But if you're wedded to net zero, then you will always have these economic issues that we have now.

37:53Francis Foster:Anyway, my sense is I'm actually, people will think that we're being very negative, and we are. I'm incredibly optimistic. I think this is all great. I do. I know. You're an accelerationist. I've become an accelerationist. I actually think at this point, Chris Williamson talks about this. We talked about it. I just recorded an episode with him. and he's the one that introduced me to this concept. But basically, if you're stuck in a relationship, there's like a six out of 10, or a job that's like a six out of 10, which basically means you're not happy, but it's not so bad that you are just driven to leave.

38:31Francis Foster:That's actually in many ways the worst place to be. So that's where I feel Britain has been for some time now. We are kind of at a point where we all know things are getting worse and worse and worse and are bad, but they're not so bad that people have the incentive to just go, you know what, we need like real change, not just to change from a useless conservative party to useless Labour Party, but actually to give somebody a bit more radical an opportunity. That's not to say that more radical is necessarily guaranteed to change everything for the better. Radicalism by definition is extreme and therefore can have extreme good and bad to it, which I imagine will happen.

39:10Francis Foster:I mean, whether it's the reform or the Green Party, right? If you're on the opposite side of that, you're going to see there'll be issues with competence, there'll be issues with delivery. But my point is, I think at this point, the only way that the status quo will be destroyed is if things get so bad, people actually can't put up with that anymore. Yeah. And I think that's the only way out. And so the worse things get, the happier I am.

39:37Konstantin Kisin:I will say this. Illegal immigration is obviously a massive problem. Immigration has been a problem in this country for far too long. far too long and the successive governments have essentially gaslit a nation that is unforgivable it's why i despise the tories and i don't want them in because i don't think they can be trusted but to those people online who think that we're going to get rid of the illegal immigrants and other immigrants and suddenly we're going to be living in this magical world where we're all back to the glory days whatever they were not going to happen you need to grow the economy.

40:10Until we grow the economy, none of this matters. And it's not just growing the economy.

40:15Konstantin Kisin:We have got a huge swathe of the population who are not working. They are on disability, incapacity benefits. They're not working.

40:26Francis Foster:Yeah, all of that's going to have to change. And that's the structural problems that I'm talking about. You have to scrap net zero. You have to... Look, people aren't going to like it. People are not going to like it. when you take benefits away that you've trapped people into by saying to them, if you feel a bit down today, you're probably depressed. Here you go. Here's a check. Fraser Nelson, when he was on the show, he talked about all of this. People are being trapped in a cycle of dependency. It's not their fault. Part of it is their responsibility. But look, I talked to Chris about this and I said to him, look, you and I, and you and I too, this is true of me and you too.

41:01Francis Foster:We are people who've always had a lot of drive and a lot of ambition and a lot of aspiration. Maybe above average? Yeah. I don't know, but let's say that we do, just for argument's sake. If you, when you were in your mid-twenties, you were not having a great time in life. No. Neither was I, right? Both a bit depressed, we were struggling with this, struggling with that, addiction, whatever, right? If someone said to you, I'm going to give you 25 grand a year, no questions asked, to sit on your ass at home and do whatever you want. Would you have turned it down? No. Most people would not have turned that down and they wouldn't be happy in the end.

41:38Francis Foster:They would not be fulfilled. Their life would lack meaning and purpose, but they would be comfortable enough that they would not do anything to get out of that situation. They would have been comfortably miserable. Comfortably miserable is exactly where they'd be. So once you've trapped a lot of people in this situation, you then take those benefits away from them. They're not going to be happy about it. It's taking methadone away from an addict. But what choice do we have, right? There is no choice about this. We have to end the fact that so, so many people are not working, right? You have to grow the economy.

42:10Francis Foster:You have to scrap net zero. These are the things. Now, look, dealing with illegal immigration is incredibly important. Fairness, it does cost a lot of money, all of these other things. It's a security risk. We have to deal with it. But people need to understand, even if you get a party-like reform that comes in, stops illegal immigration, maybe even deports lots and lots of people who need deporting. That's great. That is not going to make Britain great again.

42:36Konstantin Kisin:No, it is one of the many problems that are plaguing our society, that is plaguing us as a country. And I think that people are hyper fixating on the immigration issue because it's easier than actually looking at all the other problems. It reminds me of like a fat person. You know, when a fat person is massively fat, they're like, well, I'm going to lose my, I'm going to lose weight and everything's going to be sorted out. I'm like, it's not going to sort the job that you're miserable at. It's not going to sort your relationship that is failing. It's going to be, look, your health's going to get better.

43:08Konstantin Kisin:You're going to feel better. You're going to look better. You're going to have more energy. But that ain't going to sort out all the other problems.

43:13Francis Foster:But just like with a fat person, the illegal immigration issue has to be dealt with. Yeah. Absolutely. And it's really important. But there are more things beyond that, which is one of the big reasons the country is where it is. And one of them, you know, the other thing we wanted to talk about, and this is an American story, but the reason it resonates around the world is I think we've all seen this happen in our countries, is crime, violent crime, and particularly violent crime that is happening and being committed by people who keep getting arrested and released, arrested and released, arrested and released, who don't spend enough time in jail, who are not disincentivized from their behavior.

43:53Francis Foster:And the general sense of a rising lack of safety in society. And this is, of course, the horrific murder of this Ukrainian woman who fled the conflict in Ukraine, ends up in America. And she gets on a train in Charlotte and the guy just looks at her. There's no interaction sitting behind her, gets a knife out and stabs her to death. And that's bad enough. But then you go, it was going massive on social media over the weekend. It's not been covered by the BBC. It's not been covered by the overwhelming majority of mainstream media outlets. As of the time of recording, which is Monday morning, in Britain it's been covered by The Telegraph and now as of literally an hour ago, The Times.

44:47Francis Foster:That's it. And look, you know me and people watching our show know how much we resent the re-racialization of society and the obsession about race and everything is about race. And it does my head in. We should not be thinking like that. However, after we've had this decade of everything being about race, you have to ask why this story is not being covered. And it just so happens that the perpetrator is black and the victim is white. and you go imagine if the skin colors were the other way around and he was a white person that stabbed a beautiful completely innocent girl to death on a train who who was black would we be would we be talking about it more do you think i mean it's undeniable at this point isn't it

45:38Konstantin Kisin:it is undeniable and and the reason these crimes or these incidents go viral isn't just because of the crime, even though it's an awful crime and it's a 23-year-old girl cut down in her youth. And the fact that she fled Ukraine adds an even more horrifying element to this. It's because it taps into something which you've just alluded to. And it taps into this feeling with people in the West, and it's not just people in this country, in America, I think it's people across the West who see their cities and communities descending into lawlessness, who see things like, I go to my local tube station and I feel like I'm in downtown LA.

46:20Konstantin Kisin:I feel like I'm in downtown LA. There's just homeless people. They're aggressive. There's people just pushing past the barriers. People, you know, the guards aren't doing anything. And you're going, what's happening? It just feels like we're descending into something that is not very pleasant. and for me as someone everyone can drink who saw what happened in Venezuela I'm going I'm seeing the same kind of descent I'm walking in London and going and certain parts of London that used to be beautiful going this is starting to feel like downtown Caracas in the early noughties and you just go this feels like a civilization if a civilization is a knitted jumper it just feels like we're pulling the threads and watching it slowly unravel.

47:13Konstantin Kisin:And I think people are terrified. And to be honest with you, I think they've got every right to be.

47:18Francis Foster:Well, my point about the media coverage is it's very significant. I mean, look, George Floyd, what happened to him was terrible. But I mean, it tore the Western society apart in like dozens of countries. Daniel Penny, right? This is a guy, he's sitting on a train carriage in New York. there's a guy who's threatening all the passengers. He grabs him in a chokehold, and as a result of that, the guy dies. Or maybe even not as a result. Maybe it's the way the medical treatment he was given after. We don't quite know, right? The media ran story after story, basically calling him a murderer. He was eventually acquitted in a trial.

47:56Francis Foster:He should never have gone to trial. He should have been given the medal instead of a trial. The guy was a hero defending fellow passengers. But he happened to be white, and the person he grabbed in a chokehold happened to be black, right? So wall-to-wall coverage. And by the way, these are the same media organizations that lost their shit about Me Too. Now there were some legitimate things about Me Too. Harvey Weinstein is a scumbag and all of the other people who engage in horrific behavior like that. But Anziz Ansari is a little bit pushy on a date. And they basically ruin his life. And here is a woman being stabbed to death in a random violent attack.

48:34Francis Foster:Is that not a Me Too issue? Yeah. Is that not a Me Too issue? We don't care about the safety of women unless it's comedians offering them to give them a blowjob. Or if the skin colours are the wrong way around. What the f*** is this?

48:46Konstantin Kisin:Yeah. It's so, so, so depressing. Because everybody knows there's fundamental inconsistencies. There's hypocrisies right at the heart of all of this case. and the fact that we it makes me it makes me so worried because i think that we're now living particularly in the west because of social media and a lot of other reasons we're living in these two camps and you go can can we carry on like this can we carry on if we just feel like we're being perpetually gaslit because in a way we are but we are being gaslit this this is a this is a

49:24Francis Foster:case where because of the races of the people involved, it's not being covered the way that it would be covered if the races were the other way around. We know this. Now, that is not acceptable. That is not acceptable. And I remember when I did this Norway debate with Yanis Varoufakis and Cynthia, I can't remember her surname. And I said that we have created a framework of racism that works the other way around now, where institutions are now openly racist against white people. All the people laughed in the audience, but that's what's happening. Yeah. That is what's happening, and it's completely unacceptable.

50:01Francis Foster:It's unacceptable for institutions to be racist against black people, and it's unacceptable for institutions, including the media, to be racist against white people, and that is what's happening here. Yeah. There's no other explanation. I can't think of a different explanation of why this story is not being covered. And...

50:19Konstantin Kisin:You go, OK, if that is the case, and then you look at it societally and you're going, well, if we carry on down this path, then what we're going to end up with is somewhere really dark. Yeah. Which is inevitably some kind of race war. Of course.

50:35Francis Foster:But if you antagonize people in this way, and if instead of saying what we want is fair treatment for everybody, which is what we want, we don't want white power or black power movements. We want people coexisting peacefully. I saw a clip on my Instagram of a guy, I think he's running for something in Texas, black guy. He talked about the fact that he was, I think, in the U.S. Army during the invasion of Iraq or Afghanistan. And he talked about the fact that he deployed with 100 people and like 13 of them are dead now of every color. And he was like, this is my angle on it. This is why I don't think about things from a race perspective.

51:13Francis Foster:That's in a society which has different ethnic groups. That's the only way it can work. Yeah. If everybody is treated as an equal citizen and when a terrible thing happens to them, it gets the same consternation, it gets the same media coverage. That is how it should be for everybody. Black, white, brown, Muslim, Jewish, atheist, all of it. Christian, all of it. And the fact that that is not what's happening is going to cause a hell of a lot of problems unless it's addressed quickly. Yeah. And also... And this one, I'm not an accelerationist because this one doesn't end well. No. And also, we need to go.

51:53Konstantin Kisin:We were at a dinner and there was someone speaking. And he was saying, you know, there's a lot of nice people in HR who are woke and are discriminating against white men. And I didn't say anything. But what I wanted, because the conversation other people talked. But what I wanted to say is. White power. Exactly, Mike. Give me it. Want my country back? No. what I want to say is these people are not nice that's not a nice thing what they're doing is evil if you discriminate against someone purely on the colour of their skin or their gender or their sexuality, whatever the race, whatever the gender whatever, then that is evil that is evil, it's as simple as that and you cannot be logical and rational and intellectually honest and go, this type of racism is bad, but this type of racism well that's alright No.

52:46Francis Foster:You and I have been saying this for a long time, and for a long time, until I think now when people are aware of it, this was considered some sort of far-right talking point. Well, it's not a far-right talking point. People should be treated equally. Yeah. And white people should be given all the benefits of the rule of law, protection under the law that everybody else should. We shouldn't have these exceptions for certain groups. And certainly when it comes to media coverage, the media need to stop covering up crimes and also to stop emphasizing crimes because of the races of the people involved.

53:17It's disgusting. And also law enforcement.

53:21Konstantin Kisin:And it's not just the police because the police will go, what are we meant to do? We arrest the guy. We put him in front of the courts. He goes, that's not on us. Right. But the police need to do more. The justice system needs to do more. The prison system needs to do more. It just can't be. And I go back to this. There's a reason that Robert Jenrick video about the tubes went viral. And people go, no, there's a reason, because it taps into something, just as this case did. We cannot live in these cities and societies where we descend into lawlessness, because this is going to happen more and more.

53:57Konstantin Kisin:And people are going to get quite rightly more and more upset. That is going to cause more and more friction until something really nasty happens on a societal level. We need to take control of it. It's not good enough where we are. It really isn't. I agree. Well, that's us for this week.

54:14Francis Foster:A nice uplifting message for trigonometry viewers and listeners. People keep asking us to do these conversations, so we'll keep doing them as long as there are things to talk about. And there will be. And it's always going to be uplifting, mate. Absolutely. We'll see you next week.

54:42We'll see you next time.