Comedian James McCann Destroys Triggernometry

20:09It was after the man had died the woman would have to be burned to join him I think.

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22:10And when I go there, boy, it feels like home in the UK. because I'm looking at you and you look a little Irish to me James McCann it's in there but even then what is Ireland if not I mean they're not as open to saying some nice things happened with the British yeah obviously Ireland for the Irish and up the rah and all the good stuff but we've got to acknowledge we've got to acknowledge that there was given to me someone's been hanging out with shane shane does not endorse sectarian violence you do that all by yourself well i would like it if kneecap were not addicted to cocaine so visibly i've never met them but everything i see from them they look very i don't think that's the spirit of irish independence is it just to be gacked out of your mind all the time the the

23:03Francis Foster:The thing about Niqab that I find very troubling is their music is good. Yeah, it's great. So it doesn't matter the crazy shit that they say. Well, I'm not saying it doesn't matter. It matters. But also their music is good. Well, that's true of all Irish revel... This is where Hamas have a big problem, long term. The music game. No good song. Yeah. Isis, not one banger. Well, some explosions. But, yeah, the Irish have great. Sinead O 'Connor. Yeah. Do you know Seamat? No. She's great. beautiful Irish songbird. She's a big... Graham Norton has a sort of lyrical quality to his role. I'm not sure he's an up-the-rock kind of guy, but yeah.

23:40I reckon if you get Graham Norton after a couple of drinks. Well, we could talk about sectarian violence with him. Wouldn't that be fun to go on the Graham Norton show and get... You know, they bring you alcohol. Yeah. That's my dream is to have eight Guinnesses and by the end be going, up-the-rock, Graham. Wouldn't that be fun? I think that would be fun. I mean, it would be a fantastic way to end your career in his. I think they might edit it out. Yeah. Yeah. And edit you out. Shame. Shame on the BBC. Why does it exist? You've got state media. Yeah. Get rid of it. Here's the thing about the BBC, which every single person in the UK will say, I love the BBC.

24:19I loved what it was. I loved the comedy. Let's be fair. The comedy the BBC produced and Channel 4, those sitcoms were the best. They did a very good job for a very long time. They did the best job. They're better than all American sitcoms. The Simpsons is... You've done nothing to compare with The Simpsons, but I will say you've done a very good job otherwise.

24:42Francis Foster:What about Fawlty Towers? It's fine. What? What? Excuse me. It's fine. Don't come over here in my Airbnb with its beautiful design. I'm not a Fawlty Towers defender. I think it's fine. Okay. What about the other Monty Python stuff? Life of Brian. Great. Ah, you shut up now, huh? No, no, I mean, it's fine. I mean, obviously, deeply anti-Catholic, but otherwise, fine. Ah, sweet. What about the downsides, though? How do you? How do you? How do you speak that way about the emerging religion in your country? As the Church of England withers on the vine, it's over for them. Are you covering that? I know you asked that at the end, about what's the one thing we should talk about.

25:26We will. I'll save it.

25:29Francis Foster:You kind of already gave it away. Church of England is collapsing and no one's talking about it. All the Africans have just left. Well, the Church of England basically has become uber woke. Sure, yeah. And ever. Ladies. You're letting ladies perform the priestly rites? Damn. Shut that down. You're a good Catholic boy, aren't you, Jim? Yes. Well, I mean, obviously full of a lot of problems. Full of sin. I think dogmatically I'm on the page. I try to be. A lot of problems. Going on the road, going to hotels, being all alone. Masturbating is trying to stop that. How's that going? Not great. I mean, they give you a Bible so you can read it afterwards and cleanse yourself.

26:16Or before. And a Book of Mormon in this country. Do they give, there's a Book of Mormon? There's often a Book of Mormon next to Gideon's Bible. Do you not know that? No, I've never seen a book. Someone's never been suicidal in an American hotel room. No, it's right there.

26:34It's amazing because there's so many Mormons in this country, but in England it's seen as this kind of weird... The only thing, if you say to a person in the UK about the Mormons and they say, name one thing, they'll say the musical, the Book of Mormon, which is great. It's an American-centric religion. It's all about manifest destiny and how good America is. So I can understand if you guys are unhappy about that. You've got to take them back. You've got to take back America. I believe in you.

27:02Francis Foster:Take back America? Yeah. Civil War number four. I'm guessing there was a third one in between. Maybe a second. It was yours. You had the right to it. They beat you. You can beat it. You tried again. You had that, what, 18-something war. You tried to take America back once, and it didn't pan out. You think this is a good moment right now? They're looking for leadership. They're looking for leadership. They say no kings. They can have one. Keir Starmer. That's not who I'd put forward as the guy. Why do you all hate him? We don't. He's the least popular man, though. But see, this is the thing. It's like no one actively hates Keir Starmer.

27:44Francis Foster:Right. The country's just gone to shit, and he happens to be in charge, and he can't do anything to not make it work. Is it noticeably more shit than it was 10 years ago? caveat yes it is there are people who hate keir starmer and they're all on the left okay what i'm saying though is like i guess what i'm saying is it's not actually his fault right he's just a boring guy who can't fix the problems of the country because they're very hard but what i mean how would you fix any of the problems all of the britain's grandeur is built You had a huge empire. Before the empire, you were, what, a pirate state?

28:22There was nothing going for... In terms of world importance, before the 1500s, what did Britain... There was no great towers. There were no great marble things. There was no top hats and Mary Poppins type behavior. It's all built on the wealth of empire. And you give up the empire and you go, why is it all falling apart? It's because you're not extracting wealth from Africa. You think we should bring back colonialism? I think you have to choose between being a great country and accepting a mediocre place in the world. And sadly, that would require a lot of violence. But you're going to become the Singapore of Europe?

28:56Switzerland's already done that. You're not going to get all the banking. No. Switzerland has an independence to it that the Brits don't even want. You're so pleased to be. You have European continental ideology. So who should we colonize, do you think? it's a great question i haven't decided yet certainly normandy you have a historical right to yes absolutely and britney it's in the name i mean that's what i meant to say they still play bagpipes there well in britney yeah

29:32Francis Foster:i think that's a reasonable that's a reasonable excuse henry v takes that Am I right? You're testing our history in the lives of them. I am. They don't know about any of that here. I'm excited to get to speak to anyone who knows the name of more than one king. How about Henry VIII? Henry VIII, look. Terrible guy. Is that because you're Catholic and he set up the Church of England? Yes. He set up the Church in England. Elizabeth sets up the Church of England. Really? I believe I'm getting that right. I'm being scowled at by a producer. Check it out. Check it out. because he's got a laptop.

30:11I think I'm right. I'm pretty sure that Henry established the Church of England. He was the first head of the Church of England. He maintains that they're still part of the Catholic Church, but that he happens to be the head of that church, specifically in England. He doesn't break with them on doctrinal points, and I think he acknowledges papal supremacy in the rest of the church. Possibly, I mean, do you know the Blake poem, the song Jerusalem? Yeah, of course. And did those feet in ancient time? This is the conspiracy that Christ in his youth goes to Britain and establishes the church there before he establishes it in Jerusalem and thereby run.

30:54And thus there is some sort of weird clandestine British supremacy that he can lay claim to.

31:02Francis Foster:That does sound very like some of these American religions who believe that Jesus... You guys started it. Once again, they're just aping the British cultural trend. I believe... I think I'm getting all of that right. This isn't true, right? This is the thing... I think this is all true. No, no, not that bit. Go on, Billy. Thank you so much. Where are you reading that? Fact check. Where are you reading that? Get that on Wikipedia and do a little deeper dive. I'm not accepting your chat GPT take on this. Fact check failed. No, I'm right. No, you can't just say that. That is so American. This is the problem with the modern world, right here.

31:41Francis Foster:I'll be vindicated by history. No, this is an American. You present them with facts about their crazy little conspiracy theory and their rebuttal to you is, no. I've turned my phone off to be polite. I can't look it up. No, I'm right. No, I'm right. I think I'm right. This is the modern world. I know you clearly do. I think I'm right. It doesn't matter how many times you say it. The people will decide. But see... May history judge me. History. We are judging you right now. We are history. Yeah. We sit here in judgment. I think I'm right. There's four people in this room that don't agree with you.

32:14Well, you're all British. You all have... You're all invested in this Church of England. No, no.

32:20Francis Foster:No one is not invested in the Church of England. I don't think anyone... Your monarch is the head of the religion. Surely it's still... You can be executed for not being... I don't think there's anything you could be doing in Britain to get executed. I don't want to talk about it too much. I want to leave that to the end. But, boy, do you not think the Church of England collapsing is the big problem ultimately facing your country? You were run on a state religion. You had a real thing going for yourselves. Do you know what? Genuinely, that is a major part. The fact that we don't have a religion which leaves a vacuum at the heart of culture.

32:56Yeah. Which therefore means that there's nothing that we all agree on. Whereas here, they do have the Constitution. And there is like a weird love of the Constitution here that I've never encountered anywhere else. Like the Founding Fathers are sort of saints. You don't go against the Founding Fathers. The Constitution is a beautiful document and must be respected. It can't just be removed. I mean, you guys don't even have it.

33:23Francis Foster:No, we have an unwritten Constitution. You have an unwritten Constitution. Which is not a Constitution. And we've got one, but it's very boring. It's just a, you know, how much does the governor general get paid per year? There's not a lot of rights enclosed in the Australian constitution, except by like the penumbra of, well, they have a freedom of religion, so freedom of speech is implied. Do you want a freedom of speech in the UK? Yeah. Do you want that enshrined by law or do you want that as a norm? Everything is always better as a norm. Yes. Because... They would disagree here. Yeah. The problem is, though, that I think having things as a norm is much better.

34:04Francis Foster:Sure. But the question is, is that sustainable? Because norms are subject to change and laws aren't, right? But it's much better. Like, my view is it's much better to have a society where no one kills each other than having a law against murder. Do you know what I mean? Yes. And to the extent that you can achieve that, that's better. But you've lost the norm of free speech in the UK. Correct. Yes. So what is the, I mean, how would you get that back? Don't know. I think the only way is via the law. I think the only way is to enshrine it in law and then to have it tested in the court of law. Or maybe we could stop teaching three-year-olds that if someone said something that hurt their feelings, that's a violation of the, you know.

34:46Francis Foster:Losing the schools is big. Right. Yeah. That's where all of this shit comes from. And there have been attempts to sort of wrestle that. but like toby young spent the last 15 or whatever he is trying to take over he was trying to start up charter schools is this great and this how do you know so much about the uk it's weird it's on the internet i spoke to a lot of people when i was there trying to figure out also i liked the toby young book he used to have uh the funniest articles in the spectator every time so i looked into what he was doing and then it seems like i mean the right was not really interested in holding on the institutions anywhere for the last 100 years we just let the universities go we let the schools go we let the church go and maybe that's pivoting back now but i don't i mean in america boy the right is trying to march through the institutions in a big way but is that is it working i don't know certainly it's making a lot of people very unhappy and there's big protests and the new york times is going delivered but that's what that's what that whole project 2025 thing is is let's stack they call the deep state you just have the civil service there's a much nicer cheerier name for it but there's is there any sense that i mean this all right this is weird because reform is probably going to win this next election we spoke about this briefly if nothing if the election's held today and they don't change you know if they don't get preferential voting instead of first past the post and all these things all right then you have three four hundred reform guys in parliament the whole civil service is still whatever that oxbridge bbc guardian reading whatever that thing is blog the blob you call it the blob yeah i like the blob but how do you is there any how would you change the blob that's the real fight isn't it that is the real fight because it needs what is called brute and branch reform because you can't implement policies because what the minister does is the minister of health presents it to the civil servants.

36:46But if the civil servants don't want to enact the policy, then the strategies they use is they don't refuse to do it. They just make it really difficult, make it slow, tedious, arduous. So by the time it gets through, instead of taking weeks or a month, it will take months, if not years. This is the US minister and the US prime minister, which is a great see this the you as a country you're very comfortable with you had a sitcom explaining that that's how it worked and then americans they go there's a deep state and people freak out and go no there's not it's like of course there's people running the government who have jobs who aren't just elected who were there before and after but the right i mean thatcher sort of steps out of wanting to even attempt to remedy that they just go we'll make government smaller we won't we'll give government less to do we won't try and keep government as it is, but put our people in there instead of the other party's people.

37:38But is there any, I mean, are people, is Nigel Farage trying to do that?

37:41Francis Foster:Yeah. Yeah. No, part of what they want to do is cut the number of civil servants, get rid of all the ones that are ideologically possessed, so to speak, et cetera. But the actual biggest challenge for reform, you talk about 300, 400 guys in parliament, is where do you find 300 to 400 people? who are good people, who are conscientious people, who don't have a scandal rating? There's no way. Well, that's part of it. But you also then have to be charismatic because this is the difference between the US and the UK. President Trump needed like 10 people to be the face of his team. And he could pick them.

38:17Francis Foster:He can pick his cabinet from the general population. But no, but I mean, even prior to forming the government, to get reelected, what he needed It was him, Tulsi Gabbard, RFK Jr., Elon at the time, J.D. Vance, right? I probably missed him. Vivek was also involved. You had these like six, seven people. And that's what you needed to win. Then you get into government. You can appoint whoever you want. Yeah. What Nigel Farage has to do is have 300 to 400 people who are actually capable of getting elected in their own right under the reform umbrella. Yeah. And that and finding three to 400 people who can do that.

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41:23You seem to have sidestepped them. Isn't that sad? No, because the Conservative Party isn't really kind of fit for purpose, if we're being honest, because the problem is, exactly, he has an allergic reaction to them. But it's 14 years that they were in power and they did nothing. In fact, they just made the problems worse. And in the words of Kemi Badenoch, the current leader, who was in government at the time, we talked right and governed left, which basically admits that they gaslit a nation, particularly when it comes to immigration. I mean, yeah, the immigration thing is...

42:01It's a big issue. You could say that. um but i don't understand well i didn't want to talk about enoch powell there was a rest is history podcast about him recently they've done enough power and what they don't acknowledge is that the things that he they do very briefly they acknowledge that a lot of what he said has come to pass i'm not an enoch power supporter i've got to say that he was gay you guys didn't want to believe the enough power was gay but i'm telling you if you Look that up. Okay, Billy, look that up. What do you mean Enoch Powell was gay? I mean, he was a gay man who did gay things.

42:39He was married to a woman his entire life. Of course. No married man could participate in homosex. That's not the problem with Enoch Powell. People have a right to be attracted to people of the same sex. But the crux of that speech, the rivers of blood speech, seems to be he's worried about the native population of Britain's response to the immigration. And that does seem to be taking place. There is like, there is a, there looks like from outside, there's a groundswell of anti-immigrant feeling. There is. Well, that's rough.

43:15Francis Foster:But I don't, I don't think it's fair to say that that's what Enoch Powell was worried about. He was worried about the way that, at least I understand it, the fact that the native population would be put in a position of relative weakness in relation to immigrants. So there's that expression that the, whatever, the black man will have the whip hand over there. But I think when he closes in that speech, he's saying the thing to be worried about is the response of white Britons as they have that feeling, not that it'll take place. I think he's doing an odd, he's, there's more nuance in that speech than I think.

43:59Francis Foster:I'm not convinced about it. Francis, when you said to me, let's get James McCann the comedian on, I think he'd be great. I did not think we'd be talking about Enoch Powell being gay. Oh, we've gone quiet over Enoch Powell being gay, have we?

44:25Francis Foster:He had many what? So just from the people won't be able to hear that. Allegedly, one of his tutors said he had a homosexual affair. Yes. But then someone else said he just hadn't met any girls yet, which is always the excuse, really, isn't it? Yeah. I mean, gay guys do meet a lot of girls. And also as well. Why is his gayness otherwise relevant? Because I think that's why you guys hate him, because you're such a homophobic country, and you won't listen to the nuance of what he was saying in that speech because of his homosexuality. And I think that's wrong, and you should be more open. Well, you're a Catholic.

44:57You should think that's right. I don't know if you know this. There's a lot of gay guys in the Catholic. I love gay people. Big fan. Obviously, the gay stuff has to stop. But as people, some of the best. Some of the best.

45:18So back to Enoch. So you think... That's exactly what I didn't... Do you know what? There's people watching it going, I knew this. I finally, finally, they're talking about Enoch Powell. Well, you guys, you weren't able to have a coherent conversation about immigration for ages. Yeah. And then, like, I mean, all of Europe has done this, and then they seem to be overreacting. I don't like the alternative for Deutschland. No, I mean, that doesn't seem nice. I would like a nice center-right government who can have a normal amount of immigration so that people don't get really angry.

45:52Francis Foster:But this is the problem, right? Because in Britain, we had a nice center-right government, which was the Tories, who governed like they were completely left-wing, who left the borders open, who allowed illegal immigration on a scale, I mean, the scale of it, I don't know if you heard me say this, but the year I came to Britain, which is 95, 96, depending on when you start counting, 55 ,000 people a year came to the UK legally. Yeah. Applied for a visa, came with a passport, blah, blah, blah. That's the number of people who come to Britain illegally right now, every year. That's the scale. And the legal number is several times greater.

46:33Francis Foster:And the legal number is, so more people came to Britain legally. in the last 20 years than the entire history of Britain. More people in 20 years than in 2000 years. Isn't that an important part of your culture to be swamped by people who weren't born there and then slowly integrate them? You had the Vikings, you had the Normans. The Vikings didn't immigrate to Britain. You had the Anglo-Saxons, you had the Romans. No, no, no, this is all complete bollocks. These are all violent waves. Of course. These are all violent invaders. This is the nicest invasion you've ever had. I mean, as far as the invasions of Britain go, this one is pretty smooth.

47:09If you view it as immigration, terrible failure. If you think of it as an invasion, it's really nice.

47:15Francis Foster:It's pretty decent. Never before has an invasion had so much back and forth and meal sharing and beautiful films made about it. Sexual assault levels are not what you'd expect from a Viking court. Again, grooming gangs, so bad. But if that's the extent of the rape that's happening across from a wave of invasion, I mean, the people of Germany, when the Soviets were coming in, They would have dreamed for levels of rape like that. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, also, when the Soviets came over, the Germans didn't give them benefits and stay in four-star hotels. You might have to get rid of all the benefits.

47:49Yeah, we might.

47:52Francis Foster:That's sad. Well, you know, it is and it isn't, because I've always said this as an immigrant myself. I don't really understand why people who are not citizens of the country would receive access to the benefits. Well, it's sad to watch someone die of an illness that you could fix. Sure. I would exclude healthcare from that personally. But what I'm saying is if you can't sustain yourself in the country to which you've immigrated, then you should go to your country. Yeah. Or you should go to your country. I mean, in Australia, this is never the conversation is about benefits and immigrants and things, because we have rich immigrants.

48:33that's that we're facing a i don't know of a country in the northern hemisphere that's having this but it's quite hard to get to australia if you're poor i mean there's a big sea and there's a lot of policemen in the sea but we've got very wealthy people from india and china coming and they they can support themselves but they also take you know housing the housing market is flooded with new arrivals we've got hundreds of thousands of people showing up and we can't build houses quick enough. And there's still the unease, even though there's not the benefit conversation. There's still a sense of displacement.

49:08And I think Australia is getting pretty rowdy. I haven't been there for it, but it looks like they're not happy. You know what I always found interesting about Australia is that on the one hand, you've got this macho sporting culture, like, you know, the bloke, the Aussie bloke. Which you represent perfectly. Absolutely. Look at you. You're a big hunk of man, James. But you've also, You went pretty woke and a bit. Doo-doo. Yeah. No, but this is Kangaroo, D.H. Lawrence. He picks this as a problem almost 100 years ago, I think. Really? Yeah, we've always been. It's an urban place. It's a cosmopolitan society.

49:49We've got five cities. No one lives in the middle. Some people live in the middle. They're great people. I love and respect them. But as a percentage, it's like 80 % urban. And it's all suburbs that go on forever. So you're going to get, I don't want to be, again, deterministic about this, but that breeds a certain kind of, you know, success looks more effeminate when you don't have land and farming and all the things I don't want to do. Can we have countries there? I mean, isn't what's going to be required to stop these immigration problems so beastly that it's, is it worth it? This is sort of camp of the saints type territory.

50:30But, you know, I mean, we're talking, I mean, in Europe, they're talking about putting people on trains and shipping them out. And in this country, they're stopping you on the street and they're bundling you into a van and you have to go over there. And this is not an easy watch. No one likes, no one is a big fan of what actually getting on top of immigration looks like in the airplane age.

50:53Francis Foster:Yeah, I don't know about no one, but I get your point, which is... Sorry, a small number of... Yeah. No, I don't know if it's a small number. The way I, what I see from the American right is there are a lot of people that are not only comfortable, but are like delighted. Right. Which is fair enough. If your country has been invaded, as you described it, with millions of people, I understand why people in that moment start to prioritize solving the problem more than their compassion. Yeah. And that will happen naturally when that's the situation. But your point, I think broadly, is correct, which is the bulk of the general public believe in a border, but also don't want to see the things that are now happening for that border to exist.

51:36Yeah, it's very...

51:36Francis Foster:Which is why it's better to have a border in the first place, is what I would argue. Yeah. But I will say, I mean, I'm meeting many, I don't know, right-wing luminaries in America. In conversation, I don't see anybody comfortable with, you know, kids being split up or people bundled into vans or whatever. On the internet, I see. I felt this about the Charlie Kirk thing, where there are all these people online going, it's good. We love killing our enemies. I didn't meet anyone who actually felt that way. I see people on their Twitter account do it, and that gets very magnified. But to what extent are these people actually existing in the world?

52:10Francis Foster:I totally take your point, but the counterargument would be, I remember a hell of a lot of people that I was friends with in 2015 going, I don't know anyone who voted Brexit. it the following year. And I'm going, well, that's not necessarily a reflection of what the sentiment is. It might be a reflection of who you speak to. Yeah. You see what I'm saying? I do. And I mean, the evidence is that there are increasing numbers of people on both left and right in this country and in others that think political violence is justified. Yeah. I mean, they've always felt that in America. Yeah. Like you guys, the Brits, they really, you guys were taxing tea and they started killing you, saying you can't be here anymore.

53:00We're running it ourselves. And then America, they always got, we don't like political violence, but all their greatest treasured historic memories are active. The Civil War is an act of political violence, no?

53:10Francis Foster:Yeah, and how many presidents have been assassinated or shot? Four to six. They don't know. Two of them might have been poisoned. four were killed definitely but six oh i thought you said 46 i was like is this like when he said he was gay he was gay why are you looking look it up jamie church in england enoch powell two were poisoned maybe who i don't know jfk definitely wasn't poison unless it was very mildly sometime before right but uh i think there's two suspected poisonings the thing is is not only is america violent politically america is just a very violent society like you look at the movies like you for instance look at there's some great aussie movies by the way right they're not like three yeah i was gonna say yeah lantana which one lantana i seen Lantana.

54:12Well, Peter Weir, he did a couple of great ones. The Aussie director, Peter Weir. Mad Max 2, great movie. But they're not violent, really. Mad Max 2 is kind of violent.

54:22Francis Foster:But that's in America. I was also going to say Chopper, but that totally undermines it. It's very violent. Yeah, undermines the argument. Carry on, man. Wake and Fright, the whole exploitation movie. We've destroyed the premise of your argument, but go ahead and make it. I'll accept it. Okay. But also... Goodwill. But American movies are highly violent. They're some of the most violent It's just every movie, American movie, seems to have violence running through it. This is a very violent society. So the murder rate, the homicide rate is here is five times what it is in Britain? In places, yeah.

54:54If you look closer at those numbers in some places, that number's very low here. I don't want to go into it. Why have you clammed up about that?

55:05Francis Foster:What he's saying is rates of violence are higher in certain areas than in others. Yeah, in the Hamptons, there's not a big murder, right? Right. Right. In certain parts of St. Louis, boy, watch out. So you don't want to talk about this, but you besmirched a good name of Enoch Powell. Your words, not mine. I think Enoch Powell had a lot of problems. I didn't know I was coming on the Philo Enoch podcast. You're the one that's championing him. Yeah. I said he was gay and wrong. Gay and nuanced, I think. He was nuanced. But he was nuanced. And good. As many of the great, I mean, they know about style.

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57:04Francis Foster:Quo. No missed calls. No missed customers. I wonder there'll be a lot of people who are like who are not fans of ours because they are fans of Enoch. Watching this going I love this guy. He agrees. Gay. I think we're open to some of the gay people in our lives. Next thing you're going to say he was non-binary. Not to the, again, the sex practices. No one should be masturbating. No one should be having sex outside of marriage. Why are you looking at our crew? I want them to back me up. He did have long hair. What do you mean he had long hair? He purposefully had long hair. He wanted to be like the Spartan.

57:37It doesn't make him gay. I mean, it's a step closer. Spartans? Yeah. I mean, they were practicing intercural lovemaking. Yeah. What is intercural lovemaking? each other no no the legs the what it was shameful to have sex in the bottom so they would have sex with the legs you would push the legs together if a young man only a catholic would know about this you don't know about intercural love making no there is nobody i've ever met who knows about intercural love making yes there are they've been keeping it quiet around you they've been looking at your thick beautiful legs and they've gone i don't give the game away intercural love making I think I hope I'm saying that right.

58:17It's the only one that I think I might have got wrong. Church in England, for sure. But it's so intercural lovemaking. I don't intercural lovemaking in the Church of England nowadays, let me tell you. Really? No, I'm joking.

58:32So you're in Austin?

58:35Francis Foster:No, that's not going to work. I'm in Austin. I'm in Austin. He is in Austin. You're going to need a better transition wherever you're going. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I didn't know where I was to go. This is like Theo Vaughn. Remember the first time we interviewed Theo Vaughn? Yeah. We just finished our first ever Rogan episode. On that episode, we were kind of excited to be there. Yeah. So we're like, ah. So Joe was like, oh, do you guys smoke weed? Gave us a joint so that we'd chill out a little bit. Yeah. And then we went home and interviewed Theo Vaughn, completely stoned off our heads. And then did a bit of intercural lovemaking.

59:12He wouldn't go for that funny business. No. That's why he's got the mullet. Yeah. Lady on the back, fella on the front. Take your pick with the leg. Business up front, party up back. Business and pleasure.

59:22Francis Foster:But anyway, it was a pretty crazy interview. And crowned by him saying, you guys have, we call it autism, which is one of the most viral clips of trigonometry ever. To this day, we get people coming up to us saying that. You guys have, we call it autism. And this has got the same feeling, this episode. I don't think I have autism. I don't think you guys have autism either. No, I'm not saying you have autism. I'm saying you're like the... I'm making you feel autistic. I mean, you've got something. I think I'm just on my... Do you think the spike in low-level autism is something to do with the fact we're all on our phone now for four hours a day?

59:59I think ADHD, definitely. Yeah. Because if you think about what a mobile phone is, it's a permanent distraction tool. Yes. This is weird. So it would therefore make sense that your ability to concentrate is severely diminished with one of them in your pocket. Yes. So we've got to get rid... That's why I got the small phone, to help me wean off being on a phone. I don't want to be on it.

1:00:19Francis Foster:Does the size of the phone make a difference? I mean, not really. I got a black and white one that just didn't work very well. It had like a Kindle screen and a, you know, it just... You do need a phone to function. Right. This is, uh... Do you know Ivan Illich? Yes. He wrote Tools for Conviviality. No, ah, yes. So same name as the Tolstoy. yeah yeah story but it's also a um also a writer who writes about he's dead now but he wrote about technology and that a tool can be good in the first fight you know you get the car and that's great um and then you build a society for the car and that's dreadful because we're all in traffic and we've changed the way that everybody lives so the tool can get out of control new polity shout out mark barnes he introduced me to this idea and they got a great magazine on it but the phone And at first, the phone is great.

1:01:13You can do everything with the phone. And then we build the whole society for the phone. You can't get from A to B without a phone. You can't. No one has a map. No one is able to give directions. The signage on the freeway is dreadful if you don't have GPS now. So how do you live without a phone? We live in a society where it's almost impossible to live without a mobile phone. Right. In a way that 20 years ago, it was all built different. Yeah. So how do you get rid of it now? You can't. Right. But we've got to have some sort, meet us halfway, phone making companies, that if you want it to not destroy your life, that should also be an option.

1:01:48You should be allowed to live in a society without having a technology that's making you a worse person, that everybody knows that. But for them, the more you are on your phone, the better it is for them. So that's the real issue. Yes. I'm open to the government stepping in, having a special government phone. Maybe not. Zora Mamdani for phones. Yeah. I don't hate him. Why not? He's charismatic. That's a terrible reason. Isn't it?

1:02:16Francis Foster:Yeah. I mean, Hitler was charismatic, Chaps. It's a problem that I have, that I love charismatic people. I don't think Bill Cosby did it. How could he? America's dad. I don't want to believe. You don't want to believe? He did it. But it hurts to believe. You don't want to. Jimmy Savile. People didn't want to believe that about Jimmy Savile. Raised millions for spinal charities. Gary Glitter, who I think is still at large doing terrible things, but what a songwriter. They still play his music during the Super Bowl. It's a great song. Yeah. Ringo's The School Bill. You remember in Joker, the original?

1:02:55I never watched it. Rock and Roll Part 2, when he was dancing down the steps. There was controversy that Gary Glitter made money out of that as well. And it's an iconic scene in modern cinematic history. What a song.

1:03:07Francis Foster:Finally, we've reached the subject of pedophilia. Francis is in his element. This is his favourite subject. Who's being a... They keep accusing... Do you think... All right, the Charlie Kirk assassination did get people to stop talking about that letter that Trump wrote to Epstein with the drawing on it. Yeah. The drawing is unsettling. The boobs are not big enough. Did you feel? Did I feel the boobs? When you saw the picture of the boobs, did you think, those are quite small? That wasn't the first thing to go through my head. Well, if they were huge boobs, he would be vindicated as just being a man who loved women.

1:03:45But the boobs are very small on the drawing. Which tells us... He likes a child's physique. What was going on on the island? They were buddies. They were hanging out. I was hurt when the boobs were too small on the drawing. You guys didn't get upset by that?

1:04:06Francis Foster:I'd just like to remind everybody James is a comedian. He's not alleging that the President of the United States is in fact a pedophile. People keep alleging it. I mean, Elon did. I'm not alleging it. Elon tried to walk it back a little bit. He did. It's not the sort of thing you can walk back very easily. No. No, it isn't. I would like an explanation for the small boot. I might be worth bearing that in mind after everything you've just said. If we ever interview President Trump, we'll be sure to ask him. Make him bigger. dissuade the notion that he doesn't seem like a pedophile to me he doesn't act like wait but but the size of boobs is not necessarily correlated with that's the sort of thing he should say like i remember when i was at school i'm not going to say her name because it's kind of embarrassing but that i was 14 there was a 14 year old girl at my school who had absolutely giant tits.

1:04:59Francis Foster:Yes. Right? So that's not proof of anything. I've debunked your theory. Well, that's what the far left would be saying if the drawing had big boobs, if the birthday card was boobie. But since it was not boobie, we have to accept that there is a symbolism to a small boob. Separate from the real world, there is a visual language of a small boob. James, you cling to your unsubstantiated theory. I think I'm four for four. No, you're not. You're not. You're not. Enoch Powell wasn't gay. Yes. Henry VIII was the supreme leader of the, or whatever, the Ayatollah of the Church of England. I said he was.

1:05:36Yes, in the Church of England. Yes. No, the Church of England. Let's look up how deep that break went and what happened under Elizabeth and whether or not there was a shift under her.

1:05:45Francis Foster:Right. And then this whole thing with the small boobs. They were small. I'm not denying their size. I'm just saying that's not evidence of Peter Philip. I'm saying that if I was writing a birthday card... Well, maybe you like big boobs. Maybe you like small boobs. There is, look, some men just - Let's not pretend that's not an open political question at this point and a difficult one. The Trump administration was in real trouble before that assassination. I'm not saying anything out of sorts. Every comment on all the Trump pictures on Instagram was released, the Epstein files. That's gone quiet now.

1:06:20After the small boobs.

1:06:25seems like it could have gotten bigger but it went smaller i just want answers i'm just asking questions okay candace it's been great having you on the show i will need to see if candace owens is vindicated about what bridget macron being a fella yeah which she probably won't be no but if she is she's got to get the pulitzer prize her career can now only go one of two ways as it has to either end or she's celebrated as the greatest journalist of modern times. Isn't that an exciting historical moment to find ourselves in? It is. No. You don't want Candace Owens to be... No. It's the most mental thing I've ever heard.

1:07:04Probably. What do you mean probably?

1:07:06Francis Foster:Almost certainly. This is what happens when you spend too much time in America. Yeah. This is what everyone in America is like. Like, look, I know that this is probably true, but what if this? What if the aliens... She's thrown a Hail Mary. Yeah. And if that, it's a wild haymere. There's nobody at the other end of the field, James. That's what the testing will establish, whether or not there's someone at the other end of the field. She's had two kids. So they say. What do you mean? I'm just saying I like the narrative, I like the charisma, I like the story. Let's find out. Let's keep an open mind.

1:07:44Mate. I thought this was an open-minded podcast. I thought this was a podcast where people... Why did you think that? It's in the bio. Isn't that the point? We're exploring dangerous ideas. Candace Owens is exploring a dangerous idea, maybe a mistaken idea. But don't we love that she gets the freedom to explore a dangerous idea?

1:08:03Francis Foster:I love people having freedom. It sounds like people hate freedom on this podcast.

1:08:12I'm just saying let's find out. I'm not saying one thing or the other. I think I'm in the clear. I don't think I've said anything that will get me in trouble. I think what you said about Enoch was positively blasphemous. I don't consider him to be a saint, unlike some people on this podcast. I just think we should all look more closely at the difficult historical questions. James? Yeah? What's the one thing? And we're not talking about this question. Honestly, collapse of the Church of England. I think that's really fundamental. You're going to be a Catholic country again, and while I celebrate that, I think it's weird and I think it's odd that no one's talking about the total collapse of the Church of England.

1:08:51The pews are empty, doctrinal fractures ripping through the, whatever they call that conference. The pews aren't empty.

1:09:00Francis Foster:I go to a church in London, which is a Church of England church, but the pews are not empty. I'm glad they've got one. That's anecdotal. You were against me using anecdotal evidence before. I think if we look at the census numbers, it's not strong. It's true. And it was all done in the hope that they could connect with the youth, and it didn't happen. The youth turned away, and the baby boomers got to feel hip with the guitar music, and the lady up there. This is a huge... I just don't know why no one's talking about the collapse of the Church of England, because it is statistically happening.

1:09:38Catholics are holding on. They're losing South America. People should talk about that. The evangelical thing in South America is... I see no one really reflecting on that in a meaningful way. But it suits the South American temperament. How? Because they're histrionic, emotional people. Stereotypically speaking. There is no more emotional religion than the Catholics in South America. Oh, no. So many statues covered with blood, weeping, special medals. Oh, yeah, they love all that. Yeah. Yeah, my family love all that. But it's that prosperity gospel that's getting underway there that spooks me.

1:10:14All right.

1:10:15Francis Foster:England will be Catholic. Thank you, James. Not by any choice of the government. It just seems to be happening. You killed so many people to get rid of the Catholics and they're back and you're not even angry about it. You do pick the strangest subjects to get angry about. I think that's a big one. I'm also thrilled about it, but I think you guys should be esteemed. It's been great being on the pod. We love freedom. do you yeah do you

1:10:44Francis Foster:with that head over to triggerpod.co.uk where James is going to answer your questions in exactly the same way he's answered ours did the podcast political comedian kill the stand-up comedian what do you think of Joe Rogan and Dave Smith

1:11:10We'll be right back.