The Truth about the Migrant Crisis - Patrick Christys

23:05Francis Foster:And also, perhaps for legal reasons, they can't actually turn the boats around. That seems to be the case as well, right? Annoyingly, although I would like to see that tested. You see, again, this is a thing. We keep being told that we can't turn the boats around. One of the reasons why apparently we can't turn the boats around is because Priti Patel, when she was Home Secretary years ago, wanted to do it. And I think Care for Calais and another group took them to court and it was decided that that would be illegal. Well, I would like to see that tested, really, because there must be some grounds in which a democratically elected government can stop their country being invaded.

23:42There has to be. if we live in a world where boatloads and boatloads and boatloads of illegal men, some of whom, for all we know, might be actual terrorists, and I think there's good reason to suggest that some of them are, in fact, some of them have been, right? So if we can't turn boats back under those situations and say, I'm sorry, this is an urgent matter of national security, well, then we might as well pack up and go home, don't we? Is there realistically no situation in which we are able to turn those boats back? I refuse to believe that. And yet we don't we don't seem to ever ever try it.

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26:18Who are you? and then drove away. And we were like, so we've got all this on footage. There's this boat here. I mean, bear in mind that that boat was ready to go. So presumably somewhere around us would have been people trafficker. And you started to see people coming on some of the free buses that are around the Calais area, getting off and loistering around. Unequivocally, these people were about to get on that boat and then make a run for it. The gendarme just drove off. So we've got this amazing footage of them just driving across the bridge, almost like waving it off. and then we went back again about an hour or so later and then they turned back up and I think because they realised that the media was there and we'd filmed it, they then winched it out of the water and slashed it and then acted on it.

27:01But I didn't get the impression that they would have done that if we weren't there. Because what comes across in the documentary is that these people feel that they can act of impunity because the reality is that they can and they see us as a soft touch, which is utterly infuriating. It's massively infuriating. We have to also have a thought, at least, about the calibre of human being that is currently leaving Britain. So we're seeing this exodus of people who are worth a few quid and maybe have had some aspiration in their lives and they want to leave now for a variety of different reasons that I would mostly put at Keir Starmer and Rachel Reeves' door and previous administrations for making part of Britain a bit of a hellhole, I would say.

27:46And who are we getting in in their place? I mean, I think 1 ,000 mostly young men came across the last couple of days. Well, there, I doubt that many of them are ever going to pay a serious amount of tax. So we are seeing good, in many cases, wealthy mobile taxpayers leave the country. And in their place, we are getting a lot of young men from Kuwait, Sudan and parts of the world that they are probably going to end up living a life on benefits here. And that's just a thing. But you're right about them acting with impunity. I mean, I think it's getting to a point for me now with my reporting on this where I don't want to feel like a broken record where I'm constantly showing pictures on my show of we've just got in touch with this other people smuggler, here's him with a gun again, here's him doing this, that and the other.

28:38I think the next step for me is probably going to have to be to try to go back over there and try to meet some of these people and try to get their faces on camera and see what we can get. Because I think that will show, again, that the French police are doing absolutely naffle about it. I mean, if we're able to get a phone, get in touch with people, get locations and meet them straight away, why can't the police over there do that and then stop them and make a song and dance over it, make a statement over it. Absolutely, because there's an entire industry, and you can see it yourself. When you went to these encampments, they're in a warehouse.

29:20They look like hundreds of tents. And it was, I mean, you talked about the conditions. The conditions are abominable. Yeah, they were. Yeah, they were. I mean, there is an aspect, don't get me wrong, of I would not want to live in a warehouse that stinks of piss. I just wouldn't. I don't think any of us would. I think a lot of them have deliberately put themselves in that situation, so there's that. But those people were all from Sudan, all men. There wasn't a single woman, borderline children, if you want to say, probably about 16, 17, so they're still kids, but anyway, that were there. And they were the people who didn't have enough money to pay people smugglers for the boats, so they were trying to get a free lorry ride in.

30:03So they'll spend all day and most of the night at the lorry park, which is just next door, just trying their luck, just trying their luck and eventually they'll probably get get through um so you've got you've got that going on i mean it is what it is it's a giant warehouse with i don't know a few hundred people in it who it's there permanently it's been there for absolutely ages and it's right next to a lorry park and i was there for like four or five hours you don't see any police i mean there are any police there. They're not bothered about it. You know, that's quite galling, really, because the only reason anyone, whether it's in any of those camps, whether it's walking around the streets of Calais or Dunkirk, or whether it's in a warehouse like that, the only reason they're there is to get to Britain.

30:53There's no other reason. And that is an invasion. And the French are not doing anything about that, as far as I can tell.

31:00Francis Foster:And is the reason what you said earlier, which is effectively, if you're not the final destination country, the incentive structure is for you to just wave people through. Yeah. And I think they want to embarrass us over Brexit as well. I think there's a lot of that. Because that argument that a lot of Remainers use, which is, well, when we were in the EU, we had the Dublin Agreement, which is that we could have then sent them back to their first port of call. Well, we weren't really doing that anyway. So, yeah, we could have done, probably, but we weren't. So, yeah, that kind of falls through.

31:32But I think there's a big bit of sniggering from the European Union nations, which is if we can funnel them through to Britain, rub their noses in the faces of Brexit. And I think they know that we're too kind. I think both the illegal migrants and the continental politicians know that we are a soft touch. We have, in some cases, maybe too many human rights. I think we have a very, very generous benefit system, a very generous housing system, and a load of really useful idiots like the Refugees Welcome Brigade over here who are just complete signed-up nutjobs in many cases. I think unrempting hypocrites as well, a lot of them.

32:14They would never house them in their own homes, of course, or even the ones that they do, like Gary Lineker, will be thoroughly vetted and will be an actual law student or something and not, you know, our mate from Khartoum that we just met in the warehouse there. so yeah I mean I think I think they are just trying to trying to flood us with it out of that and we're the end of the line geographically aren't we I mean what are we going to start doing like I don't know funneling them through to Norway as well I mean we could try and dump a load of them in Ireland but then of course we haven't got a border there so like you know they just wandered straight back through it wouldn't they

32:47Francis Foster:so that being the case talk to me more about the logistics so I've made Landfall and Lampedusa yeah I've found someone on TikTok I've paid them how much would I pay them to get to Calais? Well, I'm not sure exactly how much you paid to get to Calais, but what I do know is that the going rate currently, as of yesterday, to cross the English Channel could be as low as 1 ,200 quid. But you say as low. That's not a lot of money. I mean, still a lot of money for people in Britain, but for someone from Eritrea, that could be a year's worth of income. It could be, unless your mum and dad in Eritrea are willing to pay for it, which, of course, we have that on record as well, don't we?

33:21But I do take your point. I mean, I suspect, because they're in a really interesting situation over there, because you don't want to have a load of cash in places like the Calais jungle, because people will just rob it. So what you are seeing now is pitched battles between men from Sudan and men from the Middle East and Arabic countries, where the men from the Middle East and Arabic countries, who seem to have a bit more money, will organise the boat crossings and pay for it, and then they'll be about to get on the boat. and then from within the sand dunes come a lot of the Sudanese men who then fight off the others, they get in that boat and then they get out there.

33:58I mean, this sounds like something out of a really bad kind of comedy sketch but it's just playing out on the beaches of Calais most days. So that's happening. And yeah, but I mean, in terms of getting in the backs of lorries across the continent, it's very, very hard to put a price on it because you could conceivably do that for free if you're willing to try hard enough. whether or not there's suppliers that are willing to do it I would have thought that the big expense is getting across the channel less so

34:24Francis Foster:you've got to Calais, you've fought off the Sudanese gang to get in the boat that you paid for, you've crossed the channel you've come to the UK what happens when you set foot you don't even have to cross the channel by the way you've got a few, several hundred metres out of it and then of course Border Force arrives ok, and what do they do? so British Border Force having been radioed by the French to tell them exactly where the boatload of illegal migrants is, will then come and get the migrants. And then they'll put them on the Border Force vessels, and they might keep them on there whilst they do a little merry-go-round of British misery, where they pick up all the other ones as well.

34:59And they'll bring them on the boat, and that boat will come into Dover, and then you're there. I think you're taking it to a processing centre where, by definition, I think very little can happen. Because if you are claiming to not have any documents with you, or any records of who you are, or you are willing to to lie about where you're from and your age, there's a limited amount of stuff that they can actually do, isn't there? So they might take... They'll do a medical check on you. They might take certain things like fingerprints. We are not allowed in Britain to do dental checks for age verification or wrist x-rays for age verification because that would be against their human rights.

35:33Quite right. So we are not allowed to do that. You're not allowed to find out how old they are. You're not allowed to medically find out how old they are. Why is that against their human rights? Just is. It's traumatic. It will be traumatic for them to undergo some kind of dental examination. Bear in mind that, by the way, a lot of the migrant hotels and even I think on the Bibby Stockholm, they were out dental treatment. Right. So like that was fine. But you couldn't do it if you wanted to use that to test how old they are. So that was rubbish. Does this make any sense to you, Patrick? No. I don't think it makes a lot of sense to a lot of people.

36:07But again, what happens here is you start with a policy about like, let's do wrist x-rays or whatever you can do now with various different biometrics, whether it's eye scans or whatever it is, fine. And you want to do that. And then what you'll get is a load of hardline left-wing activist lawyers coupled with a lot of charity groups saying, concocting a case as to why that shouldn't be allowed. and then you have to get through from what i can gather a procession of quite left-wing courtrooms in order to get that made illegal and stopped and then they can make that uh illegal and stopped and certainly the last time i checked which was about a year or so ago it was the the biometric scans and the and the uh the wrist x-rays and the dental thing was was a no-no i'll check it again i don't think they've changed it but i don't think they have changed it um and so so we weren't allowed to do that you were not allowed to which is why you end up with ridiculous court cases like a you know six foot a sudanese chap with a receding hairline and a gray beard who is uh like 15 right that's taking this tcse because why would those court cases exist if you could just check that right so that implies to me okay so i've arrived i've been processed they've made well they've not made sure i'm not 53 now what well well then they'll divvy you out around the country so you will end up in a migrant hotel somewhere and or if you are i suppose a bit unlucky you might end up in a place like rf weathersfield or a couple of those sites that we have uh around the country as well they're all full now so i presume you just go into a migrant hotel um and you will be allowed to stay there you have everything paid for so food no bills clearly and and and what then happens is that you're not allowed to be tagged with human rights again so we can't tag so we can't put tags on them so that we know where they are so like you go to a hotel and then you could just abscond especially if you happen to like we did find a guy who's willing to give you a job and which apparently is very easy to do so you can do one of two things you can either just work as a delivery driver just from the hotel anyway and no one in the hotel seems to give a toss about that um or you could just leave the hotel and just work somewhere else and stay with someone else and just disappear like vapor into britain

38:40Francis Foster:um what if you don't disappear what if you stay what what happens so that and if you stay and you trying to claim asylum, then you have an infinite number of attempts to do that. And only one of them has to be successful. So you can claim, be rejected, claim, be rejected, claim, be rejected. One of the more famous cases about that was a chap called Abdul Azidi, who was the Clapham acid attacker, doused a woman and a child in acid, and then actually, as it happened, threw himself, I think, off Lambeth Bridge or something, wasn't it? But anyway, so he had tried and failed for asylum three times.

39:18The fourth attempt, I think it was, well, the fourth attempt either way, he then suddenly discovered that he was actually a Christian mayor and that we could not send him back to his Muslim country. And there was a particular denomination of the Christian church that actually, to be fair, in this particular one was not the Church of England. It was some kind of Baptist denomination. But anyway, they were willing to vouch for him. He'd been done for a sex offence in the meantime, naturally. Who appears without sin, Patrick? Well, which was very much their approach. Yeah, you're right. So he'd been done for a sex offence, Baptist church, waved him through, vouched for him.

39:58And then the Human Rights Brigade decided that, yeah, of course, of course, how could we send this good God-fearing Christian man back to Muslim country? We couldn't do that. So then he doused the water and chow up with acid, threw himself off a bridge, and then had a Muslim funeral.

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42:24Francis Foster:Why is it really true? Is this some right wing GB news hysteria when you say you have an infinite number of attempts? Well, for all of a sudden, well, I mean, I mean, so there's a case with a lady from Nigeria, who tried eight times. And then at the eighth attempt, she was very clever, or her lawyer was very clever about this, said that she was a member of a prescribed terrorist group that's only prescribed in Nigeria, but not by Britain. So if we sent her back to Nigeria, then she'd be persecuted for being a terrorist. But obviously she's allowed to stay in Britain because we don't think they are terrorists.

42:58So this was the eighth attempt. So, I mean, I don't see how you could say we've got a limit on it. And there was no evidence of her ever being involved with this group, by the way. This was the other thing. They just said she was. She'd done something like maybe she sent an email to them or something, and that was it. There wasn't any evidence of her actually like being a part of this group.

43:18Francis Foster:So when your application is rejected, you just go back to your hotel and then you just make an appeal or another application? You may well end up being scheduled for deportation at some point. I mean, again, the way our human rights laws work at the moment is, let's say you were from Afghanistan and we wanted to deport you. I don't really see any way that we currently under our current laws could do that because we just don't return people to Afghanistan. So we would have to send them to a third country if we were even doing this, which may have been a Rwanda or it may now be, what was the latest one that was talked about?

44:02Was it Bosnia or something like that? I think it was someone like that, wasn't it? So you would probably have to do that. The French aren't going to take them back. I would have thought well they're not are they so again it's like you can

44:13Francis Foster:what does that mean what does that mean this is a bit I don't understand what does that mean the French won't take them back like if we send them on the boat back to Calais I've thought about this why not just try that yeah why can't we do that well it's against their human rights I imagine well it's everything's against their human rights so we need to just we need to just just accept that about everything but yeah I mean would it work the other way I mean again you wouldn't be able to do that would you though because they'd say well you've just put these people on a boat and you've pushed them into French waters and you know, it would only take one death, wouldn't it, for whoever's made that decision to ultimately be a murderer and then have to resign from their job.

44:53So yeah, so there's a vanishingly small probability of anyone even being deported, even if they are scheduled for deportation. So this is why you end up with cases where people have been done for child rape and then sent to prison in Britain and they've given like a 10 year prison sentence and then there is still a discussion to be had about once they've completed that prison sentence, whether or not they can be deported. I mean, the most recent one, this is not a Channel migrant story, this is just a migrant story, about Abdul Khwari Ralph, who was one of the ringleaders of the Rochdale grooming gang, was set for deportation 12 years ago, shredded his Pakistani passport, so he would then be technically made stateless if we sent him back to Pakistan.

45:28It's emerged yesterday that he is working still as a delivery driver in Rochdale, so if you were a victim of his or a survivor of his and you ordered a pizza, he might turn up to deliver it for you. With the money that he's earned from that, he's built a house in Pakistan. So this guy that shredded his Pakistani passport and renounced his Pakistani citizenship, and therefore we can't deport him to Pakistan, has with money that he's been allowed to earn, he was also on legal aid, by the way, for his fighting all of his legal costs. with the money that he's been allowed to earn, he has built a property for him and his family in Pakistan.

46:05But we can't deport him. I mean... So... At least here's a happy ending, mate.

46:14But we joke about it, but let's be honest, Patrick, and I'm going to... This is f***ing pathetic. Yeah. I'm glad someone's pressed the F-bop. I am, because it is. It pisses me off. It pisses me off. It brings me to the verge of tears a lot of the time looking at it and thinking, what are our priorities? Seriously, what are we? Are we a joke country? I mean, look around where we are today. Brilliant part of the world. I had to fight my way through crowds of tourists here because people want to come here. They want to be a part of Britain. They want to get they love our flag. They want to see it.

46:48They want to be a part of this nation. Right. And yet for us Brits, it's becoming very, very, very difficult to see a future here because our political leaders are turning us into a plot of land for the world to use willy-nilly and take advantage of at our expense and then on top of that make it very difficult for us to go about living our lives when it comes to accessing public services, feeling safe on the streets. It really, it's not on. It's not on. And it's also as well because we've talked, the one aspect that we haven't talked about is the financial aspect. How much is this costing us? We're talking, look, you know, the NHS is on its knees.

47:24You know, the infrastructure is crumbling. People are struggling to get school places. Blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. How much are we spending on this? Yeah, well, an astronomical amount of money. I mean, it varies depending on what you read on any given day, but between something like eight billion quid a year on the migrant hotels or six billion quid a year. But then on top of that, and this is the figure that, again, is very difficult to get hold of, but I think is the more enraging figure, which is the social housing cost. So once people have been given, once people have been told that they can stay in Britain, and again, as we've discussed, I think a lot of those decisions are made simply because it's like, what's the point in trying to deport this person?

48:05We can't. So you're told you can stay in Britain. Then they are no longer allowed in many cases to stay in the migrant hotels. They're given something like 28 days to get out of here, which puts them very often, despite what local councils will say, it puts them very, very close to the top of their social housing waiting list because there is an immediate risk of homelessness. if you or I were were broke flat broke and were going through a divorce and whatever else right I don't know why you're pointing

48:33Francis Foster:how did you know I hope you're not by the way no I'm not I'm not but we're going through a divorce and we'll bet there's probably someone's house you could stay in in Britain probably whether it's a friend or like your mum or whatever you know I don't know but for these people they will say well there's no one's house I can stay in so they go very close to the top of the housing waiting list and social housing or private rental accommodation that's then brought up by the Home Office or by the local council is used for them. Well, that all costs a huge amount of money. A huge amount of money. They are clearly, they're not going to walk into a£100 ,000 a year job.

49:11Many of them, I dare say, will never really try to work. A lot of them don't seem to be working. I mean, there's a lot of people who come illegally who don't seem to feel the need to work at the moment. So then they're getting everything for free there. So it's NHS bills, isn't it? Plus translator costs as well. That's another thing. So you've got all that. School places. Again, there's no real quorum about how many kids you have in the way that maybe perhaps certain other people might have to consider how many children they have because we ultimately have to pay for that. Well, if you don't pay for anything anyway, then you just crack on, can't you?

49:41And have six or seven of them. So we're all paying for that as well. And everything, everything, everything. So by the time you've added all of those things up and those figures are not all in one neat little place, unfortunately. So it's very difficult to go and get all of those numbers about what realistically is the actual cost of every single one of these people over the course of their entire lifetimes if they spend that lifetime poncing and living off the state, which I suspect strongly that most of them will.

50:06Francis Foster:And then you add to that the resources of the legal process, the resources of staffing the hotels, the resources of staffing the border force. The whole, this is a joke, man. You know, one of the things that I think is a real joke is that we appear to be importing low-skilled migrants to out to security guards for hotels full of illegal migrants. So when you see videos of people who go into these migrant hotels, like kind of quotes, unquote, citizen journalists or whatever you might call them. When you see all those videos, there's very little English spoken on the door by any of the security guards.

50:39They've all got the full, you know, the security guard armband on and the high vis and all that, the walkie talkie. So there seems to be very little English spoken a lot of time there. And that's a legal job. But what does that job pay, probably? I mean, I don't know. But, I mean, being a security guard at a hotel, I would have thought maybe you're quivering on the edge of about 30 grand, maybe, if that. I would have just as a guest there. So those people clearly live here. So they've moved over here, whether it's specifically for that job or they've come here and then got it. So then that's their job.

51:13They get paid for it. They live here. They're probably allowed to bring certain relatives over anywhere, which I imagine many of them do. Otherwise, why would they have come here? So you've got that. We probably pay for some of their relatives as well. And then they are there. Their job, their actual job is to guard a hotel full of people who are here illegally. I mean, that is insane. That is insane.

51:31Francis Foster:And on that subject, one thing we haven't talked about is, I don't know, but I imagine a lot of these things are being managed through government contracts to big contractors. whose names I don't want to list off the top of my head because I don't know. But I imagine a few of them are a few of the regulars, let's say, right? The companies that get all the big government contracts. And I imagine they make quite a lot of money from this. And I imagine they're quite vested in this situation continuing. Yeah. I mean, there is one guy. I won't name him. Feel free to name him if you want. Well, the only reason I would name him, his surname's King.

52:08I think his first name is Gray. But the reason I know King is because he's the migrant hotel king. And he's quite literally the migrant hotel king. He's Britain's first illegal migrant billionaire. He is a legal bloke, by the way. He's, I think, from Essex or somewhere. But he owned a couple of, like, kind of caravan park things, and he's built his way up, and now he gets a lot of the contracts for food and accommodation for all of these migrant hotels. And part of me, by the way, thing is absolutely fair play to the guy because, you know, he's a business. He's obviously got a very shrewd business mind.

52:35He is now, like, one of the richest people in Britain. He made the Times Rich List this year. You know, okay. I mean, there's an argument to be said about whether or not he's fundamentally betraying his country, of course. Look, mate, there's one billionaire who's not leaving, so... Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. He's not going anywhere.

52:50Francis Foster:He's not fucking going anywhere. Yeah, yeah. He is sticking around to do his bit for Britain, isn't he? A hundred percent. So, but he's an individual. He's got a company, of course, but he's an individual. But some of the bigger companies like Serco, for example, they get big deals when it comes to all sorts, especially with social housing now. I mean, they will be absolutely coining it in. And I've been to... So my big fear with the social housing aspect of it is how can you make sure that other people in the area are safe? And we had a case where there was a man in Hartlepool who was walking his dog, an elderly man, early in the morning and was stabbed to death by an asylum seeker who had been through 13 other countries before getting to Britain and he killed him because he wanted revenge for what was going on in Gaza.

53:46And we found out about that story. I think probably every news outlet found out about that story within like maybe a day of it happening. And the government put, at the time, wasn't this government, the government put a denotis on it to stop you reporting on it. So for national security reasons, they stop you reporting on it. How is that a breach of national security by you reporting on it? You might have riots. Is that right? So they don't have to justify what their national security is. But that would be the rationale, right? That would be the rationale, that you might end up with riots because of the truth.

54:22And so you start from a point, then of course it goes to court and then it's out there. But by which time, you may be looking at six months or a year on from the event and whatever, whatever, whatever. So he wasn't in a migrant hotel. He was in a house of multiple occupancy. at the time, which is the kind of house, I don't know what company was running this, so I don't want to defame anyone or whatever, libel anyone, but he was in a house of multiple occupancy. So at some point, someone's put him up there, haven't they, whatever company it is that has bought this. Well, they clearly couldn't, they can't have a security guard outside every single one of these HMOs.

54:56So if you're living in an area anywhere in the country now and the government or one of these agencies or whatever it is buys a house, a terrorist house on your street, slaps another three or four bedrooms in it, turns it into basically a glorified mini-migrant hotel with absolutely no security whatsoever, and there's like a lunatic in there with a kitchen knife, which is all they need, and they go out. What is stopping them from doing this? And I mean, I've been to Serco to ask what some of their procedures are, and they gave me a very, very, very wishy-washy thing back, which actually, the tone of it for me was more about trying to make sure that the migrants themselves were safe as opposed to the people around them.

55:39You know, the British public are being asked to put up with a hell of a lot here. We're being asked, we are being asked to take on a huge personal safety risk. And, you know, people might watch this and go, oh, he's making out that every single person who crosses the channel is a dangerous limit. Well, I'm not saying that, but like one's enough. And, you know, the fact is that the rate that we're going at the moment, and we've got a record year on top of a number of record years, well, it only takes a few of them, and you have got a serious problem on your hands. And again, it comes down to that, oh, if you want to try and cover the odd thing up by saying, oh, it would cause riots, well, that's not dealing with the actual problem, is it?

56:14Trying to silence it or something. Because at some point, I hate to say this, but at some point, something really, something is going to happen. As keeps happening. You mentioned Abdulazidi and others.

56:22Francis Foster:It's happening all the time. Yeah, and you can see it, can't you, happening in a big way. I don't want to give anyone ideas for anything, but go to a really public space and do something, kill a lot of people. I'm not condoning riots or setting fires really, but again, how do you think people are going to react to that? Well, this is why I was going to challenge something you said, which is when you said the British people are being asked to put up with... I don't think anyone's been asked. I don't remember being asked about this. I don't remember any political party. And look, you know, we've talked about Blair...

56:51Francis Foster:Not Blair, Starmer. Yeah. Starmer and Reeves. But this was just as bad under the Conservatives, right? But I don't remember in any of those manifestos anybody saying we're going to let tens of thousands of illegal immigrants in every year on small boats and lorries from Calais. I don't remember being asked about that. No. Because I imagine if we had been asked about that, I think we'd all be against it. Yeah. Yeah, we would, wouldn't we? We absolutely would. And I think you've hit the nail on the head there, which is the level of betrayal and gaslighting, which is exactly what this is, on top of numerous different other levels of betrayal and gaslighting, has now, I think, brought the British public to the brink.

57:30and I think by nature we are a relatively placid bunch I mean when you see like there seems to be riots in Paris every single week you know actual very aggressive strike action all the time I mean there's clips that you see in Germany and maybe parts of Holland as well where people are you know pretty pumped up about some of the things that are going on over there okay the Spanish as well are really kind of getting on board with it now the Italians grief I mean you know you could go on right whereas here in Britain I think by nature we are a bit more placid But I think that's kind of ending now, isn't it?

58:02I think there's a sense that we're being pushed to the brink. And if you feel as though nothing that you say or do is being listened to by the people who are in power and then the people behind that layer of power as well, so whether it's immigration judges or whatever, it's that sense of betrayal but also helplessness and desperation that can make people feel incredibly angry and can lead to a volatile powder keg situation. And that, I think, is where we are.

58:33Francis Foster:And what's your assessment? Because Starmer, obviously, he came in, he scrapped the Rwanda scheme that never really got going under the Tories anyway. And his idea was that the way you deal with this problem is the illegal immigrants are not the problem. The problem is the gangs. And what you do is you smash the gangs. How are we doing on smashing the gangs? Well, not smashing any gangs. So that's good. And actually, Claire Fox, I believe you know well, gave a really interesting intervention in the House of Lords yesterday where she called for it to be part of legislation for the government to tell us how many gangs they've smashed.

59:08Because that was the cornerstone, as you rightly point out, of their anti-illegal immigration policy. It wasn't deportations. It wasn't a third location like a Rwanda. It was smash the gangs. That was the cornerstone of their illegal migration policy. Now, I don't think they've really smashed any. They might have smashed one or two, but then they just pop up. And as evidenced by the work that we've been doing at GB News and we're going to continue to do, it is unbelievably easy to find a human trafficker, get into contact with them, get a location, get across the channel, get a job on the other side.

59:38There's no smashing taking place. So that's not happening. But again, with Turkey's time, I question whether or not that was all just a lie to the whole thing. I mean, you have to look at the political view that this man has had over the years, and I am including in that his work as a human rights lawyer, I do not buy the cab rank rule. So this is what him and Lord Hermer regularly dine out on, and their defenders will say the only reason they continually took cases from people who, say, helped to mastermind the 9-11 terrorist attacks, or Shamima Begum, or, you know, some of the nastiest, most horrific people that you can ever see, or Hizbett's career when they were being prescribed as a terrorist organisation in Germany.

1:00:26The only reason why they kept taking these cases was because as a straightforward matter of coincidence those cases kept costing their desk and they had to do it. The cab rank rule being whoever is up takes the case. Takes the case. Right. Absolutely. I don't buy that. Because? Because I think if you're any good at being a lawyer then you will be able to get off something so you can say, oh sorry I'm not in this way. There's also a reason. There's also surely got to be a reason why all of these nasty, horrible people somehow know how to get in touch with you. Why? Of any law firm in the world, of any barristers chambers in the world, of anyone at all, why do they keep contacting you?

1:01:04And if you were really distressed day in, day out, gosh, I've got another terrorist here. Oh, gosh, I've got another foreign child rapist here. You'd get out of it, wouldn't you? You'd go, right, look, I've had enough of this now. I want to go into a different branch of the law or something, or you go to a different chambers or whatever else. I'm not saying there's any kind of evil intent. I'm not saying that. But what I am saying is that I think there's a pattern there of like zero deportation, borderline open borders, pretty representing consistently people who are enemies of the state and an anti-authoritarian twang to that, that Keir Starmer upheld, both personally and professionally as well, for years, for decades.

1:01:55And that ultimately is a big part of why he ended up in Downing Street, because that was part of his career. That career led to him being DPP. That led to him getting into politics. And I seriously question about whether or not he ever wanted to smash the gangs or stop the migrant crisis or reduce illegal immigration at all. I have questions over that. Patrick, we've spoken for around an hour now about this whole tragic, terrible, awful situation. What do you think it actually says about us as a country? Well, it says that we're a soft touch. I think the bigger point is that we don't value our country enough.

1:02:39So Britain is not just a plot of land where any Tom, Dick and Harry can come and live. This is a proud country with a proud history, with a proud people, and by the way, a brilliant people as well. We have done things as a nation that beg a belief when you think about the size of us over the years. I mean, whether or not it is things like going out into the world and, you know, kind of, I'm not trying to get into the rights and wrongs of the empire here. I'm just saying just what we managed to achieve as a nation that was remarkable given our size, et cetera. But also things like producing some of the greatest minds that the world has ever seen in culture, music, in the shape of Alan Turing, for example, cracking the Enigma code.

1:03:18I mean, there is something very, very special on this island of ours here. There really is something very special about the British way of life and the British mind and something about it. And we have decided that none of that matters anymore. It doesn't matter. And that we are allowing various different people to come in, not just come in, but also take the piss. So whether it's make us less safe, whether it's ponds off the state, whether it's take up housing and whether it's take up various public services as well, that's a ridiculous thing. I mean, I regret that it sends out a message around the world now that Britain is there for the taking and that Britain is becoming a joke country.

1:03:56And I hate that. And I think we have to think that maybe that stems from an inherent aspect of self-loathing amongst a certain class of people in Britain. Whether or not us people who feel inherently privileged by being here can't quite cope with it and therefore feel as though they need to make the whole place sh** in order to try to come serves with that about themselves. Possibly whether it's that people have drunk the Kool-Aid on the old, you know, kind of critical race theory stuff, on the bad things about the British Empire and all of that. I don't know, but to me, there is a very small but very powerful cohort of people in Britain that feel almost ashamed of it and embarrassed of it and are doing their best to try to ruin the country.

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1:05:56Francis Foster:And one of the other things about it, I think that may be worth adding to your analysis is, I wonder, this is an interesting question. I don't know what the answer is, genuinely. Is there, in your opinion, some strategy to the way that illegal immigrants are being distributed across the country? Yes. Because, like I live in a nice leafy part of Kent, for example. I don't see any migrant hotels in my area which happens to vote Lib Dem most of the time do you know what I mean? I'd imagine there'd be quite a lot there'd be a lot of constituencies that currently vote in a particular way that would vote very differently if they were faced with the brunt if they were the cold face of the position wasn't that experiment played out in real time in America with Martha's Vineyard who was it that flew them all in?

1:06:44Francis Foster:I think it was Ron DeSantis decided to clap back a bit didn't they? And he said, all right, well, let's fly them all in. And they didn't want them out, did they? So they took them out again. I agree with you, or I not to agree with you because you didn't really say you agreed with it, but I take... I'm just wondering. I'm of the view, I am of the view that there is a deliberate thing here. I think that there was an initial attempt to just bury them in big cities. So, you know, cover it, mask it, place like London and Birmingham. Yeah, because no one really knows. You don't know, you don't know, do you?

1:07:13And again, you know, you could be a tourist, could be whatever. So I think there was that. And then obviously the problems then grown and they're still, OK, where do we put them? So then the north of England became a large dumping ground. And again, why was that? Places like Bury, Bradford, Blackburn, Bolton, Oldham, all those places had already had the most unbelievable demographic change in the last 30 or 40 years. I mean, the most unbelievable demographic change. I mean, there are parts there where they are, it's basically Pakistan. and that they've just in one place in Bury, I think it is, have just elected a 19-year-old female medical student at the local council election.

1:07:54She stood on a ticket of essentially Sharia law, male and female segregation. And she was elected there. So that's where we're at there. So if you then decide to lob a load of blokes in from the Middle East who have come here illegally, again, that might blend in a little bit. You might not see that so much. So there was big, big parts of the Northwest, especially there in the Midlands, were used. There was also, they jumped on the SNP's idiocy with tremendous effect. So they wanted to become a sanctuary country. They wanted Glasgow to become a sanctuary city. So then they decided, well, if you say it now, then we'll love a load of them your way.

1:08:34And then there was a urgent plea from the head of Glasgow Council to say, please stop sending us asylum seekers because we can't cope. There's social housing is full, hotels are full, there's tent cities here, we can't have that. There's also massive crime issues. So there was that. Wales did a very similar thing as well. Wales, again, Labour, wanted to be a nation of sanctuary. So they leapt on that a little bit and turned some of those houses in. But I think there's a lot of these very leafy areas, which you were alluding to, in the kind of south-east of England, are well-to-do areas that seem to be resolutely untouched by the migrant crisis.

1:09:11And I would do something that people might think is a bit extreme or whatever. If you vote in your constituency, votes for an MP that is pro-open borders, pro-demigrant crisis, anti-deportation, then you get them. So that's it. So you get them. and areas that vote to not have that don't get any. And then we'll see what happens, won't we? I would do that. And I actually would almost say that's actually fair enough because that's what those people have voted for. So why is it that they can vote for something and walk around, you know, all peace and love? It's like the Glastonbury crowd, isn't it?

1:09:50You know, that whatever he was called, Bob Villanot or whatever, something there. And then the camera pans round and that audience is a load of thick, white middle-class lovies cheering their own demise. And you think, well, OK, why don't we maybe give them a little bit more of that then? Why don't we maybe in their areas, we give them a bit more of the migrant crisis or we give them a bit more of the social accommodation or the private rental accommodation? You know, when Tabitha and Tilly go to leave mummy and daddy's country cottage at some point and decide that they're going to pay rent somewhere and then they are doing battle with the Home Office for rent prices, maybe they might start to think, oh, hang on a minute, there's something a bit wrong here.

1:10:37Why don't we do more of that? Rub people's face. We were told, I can't believe it, was it, I don't want to defame it, was it Nas Shah or something like this or something like that, we need to rub their noses in the faces of diversity?

1:10:47Francis Foster:No, no, that was a memo from a Labour advisor called Andrew Nether. Right, good. Not Nas Shah. Sorry Nas. Sorry Nas. Anyway. So we need to rub...

1:11:24really want that in their area or next door to them. And have you had politicians on your show to talk about this? Yeah, I mean... And what do they say? Well, Labour don't really want to come out and talk about it. What a surprise. I can't imagine why.

1:11:36Francis Foster:Well, I can't imagine why the Tories would want to come and want to talk about it either, because they're the ones that did this first. I agree. I mean, certainly in the case of Robert Jovenrink, for example, what he says is he resigned over it. There were one or two people within the Conservative Party who tried. Yeah. But they did as a party fail, let's be honest. 100 % I am of the view That ultimately This is all really The Tory's fault Because They opened the flood Attorney Blair did a lot Right fine But then they did have A prolonged period of time Blair was deporting Way more illegal immigrants Than the Tories Way more Yeah and did so On a fairly rational basis Like you're a paedophile Off you go Like things Things that you and I Might be like Oh did you Did you Did you stab a man At a bus stop Okay back to Morocco You know Whereas now it's like, well, should we put an arm around this chap and see if he can be rehabilitated?

1:12:27But the Tories are, for me, ultimately to blame for this, whether it's to do with the record levels of legal immigration that have got their own consequences, but also the illegal side of it, and allowing themselves and allowing Britain to basically be cuckolded by this human rights brigade that has now filtered its way right to the very top of the British legal system to all of this. they have got a huge amount of time to support and that actually ties into something that I think is quite important which has been, which is something that really just pissed me off which has been a lot of white middle class complacency over the years, so a lot of people I think maybe of my parents generation and slightly above decided not to bother running for like parish council anymore or town council or county council and, yeah, I don't really want to be an MP there or whatever.

1:13:22And then they were too scared to speak out when they saw things happening like demographic change that they didn't particularly like or they're speaking about safety and all of that. And they just kind of let it happen because they thought, it's not too bad now. You know, it's OK now. And now here we are, and I think that we are at an existential moment in British history where we probably have one more chance, I think, to save the country. And I do have a bit of resentment, as much as I like my Paris generation generally. I do wish they'd have maybe seen this coming a bit and prevented it. And I certainly have a lot of resentment towards the ruling elites that were in charge for the last 14, 15, 16 years because ultimately they have allowed us to sleepwalk into a situation now that I believe, as I've said, is utterly existential for the future of Britain.

1:14:10I mean, what it actually shows is the political class simply not fit for purpose. Which is shocking because when you've got 16 years, what we've actually seen is the country being destroyed. If a country doesn't have borders, then it's not a country. Or identity, though. Or a shared identity and a shared kind of like purpose and ideals. You know, for as long as I can really remember, when I was going through school, my school wasn't too bad with this stuff, but I can remember seeing it around me whilst I was growing up, that there was this start of that sneer, or what even is British culture? Yeah, yeah, yeah.

1:14:50What even is it? Is it going to the Costa del Sol and having a roast dinner on a Sunday and all that? And I'm like, OK, yeah, all right. Well, maybe some of the Brits don't travel particularly well, but let's just have it right, all right? There is a huge amount of British culture, and in fact there's so much British culture that it's been the envy of the world for a very long time and that we should be very, very proud of it and we shouldn't be seen as racist or little Englanders or whatever for wanting to preserve and protect British culture and for also being more forceful about integration.

1:15:19So we should never have allowed enclaves, which we now have. In fact, some of those enclaves are now almost cities. Like when I was in Birmingham looking at the Binance Strike crisis, I saw every single flag of any single country in the Middle East and, of course, didn't see any British flags anyway. So that's one thing. People would go, well, there's only flags, all right, but it sets a tone, doesn't it? And then you're out there, you know, you're walking down entire streets where, like, not only is there no English people, but there's no English being spoken. I mean, I tried to vox pop people on the streets and there were people there that just, like, literally couldn't speak English for a start.

1:15:54I mean, you've got, you know, it just doesn't, it's just, how have we allowed this situation to happen? And that's been replicated up and down the country. And for a lot of these people, like, you're Emily Maitlis's of this world and you're Lewis Goodall's of this world and all of that, like, they don't want to go to those places. No.

1:16:12Francis Foster:They don't live in Bradford. So why would they care? Yeah. This is how they think. Yeah. And what I'm convinced that they would do is if they decided to go and vox pop basically white people in those areas, they'd end up clipping them up and it'd be like gamony white van man that you've stopped in the street, who with the best will in the world to him has probably not got a double first from Cambridge. And you've cut him up and made him sound like a bit of a knob. And then you've gone, oh yeah, look at that. That's the thick white reform voter that you've got there. Well, it's actually, that bloke was born there.

1:16:44His dad was probably born there. He lives on a street now where no one speaks English, where there's massive levels of crime, where, like, there's the, you know, the Pakistani flag is on one side of his house. You've got the Palestinian flag on the other. He's woken up one day and he's a bit like, I don't really know what's going on here. And, like, he's allowed to feel a bit squiffy about that, I think. He's allowed to feel a bit squiffy about that. Of course. And let's be honest about what it is. It's classism. Yeah. It's classism because... You're on this hobby horse now. Here we go. Here we go.

1:17:14Fucking working class is being oppressed, mate.

1:17:16Francis Foster:We've got 20 minutes tuning. Get yourself a program. You know what this problem is about? Me. Yeah, exactly. It's about people like me. Exactly. Now, shut up, everybody, because I'm going to go and have a monologue. No. But genuinely, this is classism of the highest order because what it is is middle class people sneering at working class people's problems. And if they say or they make a point, which is completely legitimate, as you said, they're not going to engage with the argument because they realise they know they can't, because they realise that they will lose the argument. So all they can do is hurl epithets, invoke their race, the fact that they're white working class, they speak with an accent, which means they're stupid and racist, and therefore you can smear them and then walk away knowing that your halo is intact.

1:18:04Yes, and the consequences of that will be that that gets clipped up and might even go around their local community a little bit. And then Gary at number 42 is a frothing racist and no one should engage with him. And maybe his employer will sack him as well for it. There are consequences to the actions that some of these people do. Seriously, there was a lady who came on my show once, who was a member of an audience, she was a member of the public, who came on and made a point, not dissimilar to what we're just talking about here, how in her, it's literally just her lived experience of where she, like, oh, you know, This girl is just talking about, well, I live here.

1:18:39This is how the area has changed. This is stuff that's happened to me and is literally happening right now. And she made the point that there was anything controversial about it whatsoever. And then some, like, lefties with a big number of followers on Twitter get a hold of it, clip it up. And bless her, she's emailing me the next day being like, is there any chance we can take this down from social media? Because, like, I'm getting, like, parents coming up to me at the school gates calling me, calling me like Hitler for having these views. and this is the consequences of what these people do when they clip people up, when they try and mug them off and they try and demonise them.

1:19:12I don't know about how you guys feel, but I am now... There are still things that get to me the odd time, depending on what side of the bed I've worked up to, but I'm basically immune to being called a racist now. I'm basically immune to being called an Islamophobic, because I know I'm not, and I want to be able to make the points that we make here and have these discussions here. And also, we're surrounded by it now, aren't we, in the media? We talk about this stuff a lot. So that stuff brushes off me. But if you are just like a normal guy called Paul who works in a garden centre, and, like, 50 people online start calling you an Islamophob, and five pillars get hold of it, and then they start calling you an Islamophob as well.

1:19:44That's quite heavy sh** for Paul. And that does tend to silence people and shut them up. And that's why they've got away with it for so long in this country, by allowing us to get into this position, because there's basically been a culture of fear and cancellation for people who wanted to just speak out. But, yeah, and it's created silence. Before Patrick answers a final question, at the end of the interview, make sure to head over to our sub stack. The link is in the description where you'll be able to see this.

1:20:13Francis Foster:Does Patrick think Ofcom is fit for purpose? A bit of a leading question. And if not, what would he change in terms of their remit and powers? Do you think the government, the media and even parts of the police are too scared to talk honestly about the strain illegal migration is putting on the UK? And more so, who's really benefiting from keeping the public in the dark with all the cover-ups. What are the best arguments you've heard defending illegal and economic migration to the UK? Defending illegal? Yeah. Migrations to the UK? Yeah. Does anyone even defend it? Well, Patrick, look, it's good to have you on the show.

1:20:46Francis Foster:And I think it's really important that you're doing the investigative journalism that you're doing. And I say, you know, a lot of people like to slag GB News for being right-wing this. And, you know, for us, we try to have people on from across the spectrum. But ultimately, there are some issues, whether you're left, center, right, that just shouldn't be happening. There shouldn't be grooming gangs and rape gangs in our country. We should have a border. These aren't right or left wing positions. They're the positions of everybody in the country who's got a brain, basically. So I think actually, whatever criticism people might have about GB News or whatever, I think it's really important that they're giving an opportunity to people like you to come up with this stuff, to talk about things.

1:21:26Francis Foster:just looking at the reality of what it is and giving a voice to a lot of people. Yeah. I think it's really important. Can I just say one thing quickly? Because thank you for the opportunity today because I've been a massively fan of you guys for such a long time. It's just tremendous to be here. But what I would say on that is the times that people come up to me in the street, like 99.9 % of the time, it's like, oh, great, I watched GB News. And that, by the way, is from right across the racial spectrum. So there's a big Iranian community near me, there's a big Jewish community. He's not racist.

1:21:53No, no, no. No, but seriously. I know, I'm kidding. But the odd time that people come up and they go, they say the kind of things that you said, you know, you're bigger, or the latest one is you were a genocide supporter, which is, I mean, last time I checked, I never wasn't particularly pro-genocide. I always say to them, OK, well, sorry, do you ever watch it? And they go, no. They don't actually watch it. So if you are out there and you are a bit on the fence about it or you're only going off what you've heard other people maybe slagging GB news off, just watch it. Because we do cover a huge amount of stuff.

1:22:21We've spoken about the illegal immigration side of it, the grooming gang thing has been on. Fine, yeah, there is that. There is all that. But there's also loads of other stuff out there as well that we discuss, whether it's with pensioners, whether it's with the farmers, whether it's with anything to do with welfare, all sorts of things. Like, it's not all tub-thumpy, you know, illegal immigration stuff. But these issues do need

1:22:41Francis Foster:to be covered. This is my point, right? And it shouldn't be considered a right-wing thing to think a country needs a border, because I'm old enough to remember where no one questioned that statement, whatever side of the political spectrum they were on. And actually, that mentality is what the country needs to get back to. And whatever the laws are that need to change and whatever the political consensus is that they just need to change back to sanity. Otherwise, you really are stoking a backlash that will be right wing in the way that you really don't want to happen. So it's good that you're doing the work you're doing, Patrick.

1:23:13Francis Foster:Thanks for coming on. We're going to go to Substack and ask you questions from our supporters. But before we do, last question was the same. What's the one thing we're not talking about? OK, well, in light of what you just said, right, this might sound a bit controversial, but I would like to see a little bit more investigation about what goes on in some mosques. Because I would like to know a bit more about where some of the imams are appointed from. For example, there is the Islamic Centre for England, who I am at pace to say now deny any wrongdoing or all any wrongdoing. And I know, of course, there is no record of them doing any wrongdoing.

1:23:52But their leader of that mosque is appointed by the Ayatollah of Iran. OK, so that's the thing that maybe more people should know about. And where else is there in the country where there might be some characters like that who are freely able to give sermons to large congregations and gatherings of people? I think there should be a little bit more of a look into, or the ability at least, to have a discussion about what kind of literature is on offer in some of the mosques in Britain. Who are some of these community leaders? Who are they? How have they become community leaders? and what is being said in the sermons and in the things that have been there.

1:24:36Because when October the 7th happened, there was a bit of a report that was done to this, actually by the Daily Mail, where they did attend certain things or receive leaked footage from certain ones in various different parts of the country. And there was some really, really, really fruity stuff being said in those things. And, you know, I think that's an issue. I think that's an issue. And I counter that by saying, or add to it by saying, I would be saying exactly the same if I thought that was happening in churches. I think it should be exactly the same if it was happening in synagogues or wherever else.

1:25:09And so I just think that that's something that maybe people should feel a bit more comfortable to have a discussion about. There you go.

1:25:16Francis Foster:Head on over to Substack where Patrick's going to answer your questions. What are the best arguments you've heard defending illegal and economic migration to the UK? Defending illegal. Yeah. Migrations to the UK. Yeah. Does anyone even defend it?

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