In short
How China’s rare-earth export controls (and magnet-related restrictions) created a global manufacturing crisis, and how the US/EU and allies are trying to reduce dependence via stockpiles, alternative mine-to-magnet supply chains, and innovation (recycling/using less).
Guest backgrounds
Abigail Hunter, executive director of Safe Center for Critical Mineral Strategy (Washington, DC); Camilla Hodson, FT reporter covering Project Vault; Gracelyn Baskaran, director of the Critical Minerals Security Program at CSIS; Corey Coombs, head of critical mineral and supply chain research at Trivium China.
Key claims
Private firms won’t stockpile enough due to lean operations and shareholder pressure; Project Vault is a government-backed strategic reserve still in design; new supply chains are slow and partly constrained by US geology (heavy rare earths); China is countering with licensing data-gathering, export controls, and aggressive mine acquisitions.
Notable examples
Ford CEO Jim Farley warning after 2025 export controls; Project Vault signed up by GM, Lockheed Martin, Alphabet; US mine Mountain Pass (MP Materials) sending ore for processing previously to China; Malaysia separation facility for heavy rare earths; USA Rare Earth buying Cerro Verde; China restricting exports of equipment/technology and requiring end-use information.
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Exploring how China uses rare earths as an economic weapon.
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Beijing's Trade Strategy
0:43 to 1:12
Exploring how China uses rare earths as an economic weapon.
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Beijing's Trade Strategy
2:09 to 3:16
Exploring how China uses rare earths as an economic weapon.
“And in this show, Sumaya looks into Beijing's ultimate trade trump card, rare earth metals.”
The Race to Reduce Dependence
3:16 to 4:09
Discussing efforts by the US and allies to decrease reliance on China.
“We're educating the Chinese leadership about how important these jobs are.”
Stockpiling Rare Earths
4:09 to 6:04
Examining the strategy of stockpiling rare earths to mitigate risks.
“China spent more than 30 years becoming their dominant supplier.”
Project Vault Initiative
6:04 to 7:42
Analyzing the Project Vault initiative to secure critical minerals.
“Here's President Donald Trump announcing just that in February 2026.”
Building New Supply Chains
7:42 to 10:08
Understanding the complexities of creating alternative supply chains for rare earths.
“My FT colleague Camilla Hodson has been following this story of Project Vault.”
The Role of MP Materials
10:08 to 13:20
MP Materials' impact on the US rare earth supply chain and domestic production.
“Constructing a full mine-to-magnet supply chain is hard.”
Challenges Ahead
13:20 to 14:00
Exploring the uncertainties and challenges in scaling US rare earth production.
“And the amount that it's producing is also growing.”
Navigating the Rare Earth Supply Chain
14:00 to 16:30
Learn about the complexities and uncertainties in establishing a rare earth supply chain.
“to create that mine to magnet supply chain.”
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Global Cooperation Against China's Dominance
16:30 to 19:20
Explore how global cooperation is being spurred by China's rare earth export restrictions.
“Let's just say that America's relationships with many of its allies have become complicated.”
China's Strategic Maneuvers in Rare Earths
19:20 to 21:50
Understand China's proactive strategies to maintain its dominance in rare earths.
“People don't always realize that China is acquiring rare-earth mines all around the world at rapid speed.”
Economic Challenges and Alternatives
21:50 to 24:40
Examine the economic challenges of establishing new supply chains and potential alternatives.
“Yes, companies are not getting everything they need, but it's not so impossible to get the stuff that it's triggered a global crisis and meltdown of supply chains.”
Innovations in Rare Earths Recycling
24:40 to 28:00
Discover how recycling and alternative sourcing can reduce reliance on Chinese rare earths.
“And even if some of the bets don't pay off, I'm sure some of them will.”
Innovations in Rare Earth Supply
28:00 to 31:29
Explore innovative strategies to reduce reliance on Chinese rare earths.
“Stockpile and build alternative supply chains.”
Challenges in Reducing Dependence on China
31:30 to 34:58
Understand the long-term efforts needed to diminish reliance on Chinese minerals.
“in some of the more important military uses possibly ever.”
Transcript
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2:09And in this show, Sumaya looks into Beijing's ultimate trade trump card, rare earth metals. The crucial metals that we're learning go into everything from fighter jets and cruise missiles to computers and electric vehicles. Beijing is by far the biggest global producer. As we've discussed on Trumponomics before as well, the US and its allies are desperate to break their reliance on China for those crucial inputs. But are they succeeding? So search for The Economic Show wherever you listen to podcasts and enjoy this episode on us. The Chinese have honed a fearsome economic weapon. At the stroke of a pen, they can shut down manufacturing around the world, which is exactly what happened last year.
2:55These high-powering magnets, they're all processed in China, and they go in your speakers and your auto system. They go in your motors for your wipers and your seats. That's Ford CEO Jim Farley sounding the alarm in June of 2025 after China imposed export controls on seven rare earth metals and the magnets that contain them. We're educating the administration. We're educating the Chinese leadership about how important these jobs are. We have had to shut down factories. It's hand to mouth right now. Farley wasn't the only one panicking. The Chinese were squeezing manufacturers around the world, withholding the materials they needed in response to trade aggression from the Trump administration.
3:39Ultimately, the weapon proved so potent that the Americans climbed down, and enough trade resumed that the carmaker's production lines restarted. But that wasn't the end of it. Today, China's trading partners are racing to make sure that a crisis like that doesn't happen again.
4:00This is The Economics Show with Samaya Keynes. In this special episode, I am looking at rare earth metals. China spent more than 30 years becoming their dominant supplier. Now, the US, Europe and their allies are in a race to reduce their dependence on Chinese supplies. Over a year after the starting gun was fired, how much progress have they made? There are three main ways to reduce China's chokehold over rare earth supply chains. Number one, build stockpiles. Number two, build alternative supply chains. And number three, innovate your way out of needing Chinese supplies. I'll get to each of those, but let's start with the quickest, buying up existing supplies and hoarding them for when the Chinese use their trade weapon and cut you off.
4:52Now, given the complaints you just heard from Jim Farley, you might think it would make sense for the private sector to be building stockpiles of their own. Then they wouldn't have to educate policymakers on what they need to make their supply chains work. We're dealing with a capitalist society where ultimately the quarterly earnings calls for these companies need to show kind of the best possible outlook. So keeping a ton of raw materials, magnets, more so than you actually need for your manufacturing system does not make economic sense for you. That's Abigail Hunter. She's executive director of a nonprofit advocacy group, the Safe Center for Critical Mineral Strategy, based in Washington, D.C.
5:34As she explains, the private sector isn't going to stockpile enough on its own. Companies tend to run lean operations that don't build in a lot of redundancy. If not, they risk being undercut by their competitors and pressured by their shareholders. And there's another factor. You know, these are highly complex supply chains. Not everybody has total visibility in what they need and where they're sourcing from. The private sector isn't going to fix this, which is why the government has had to step in. Here's President Donald Trump announcing just that in February 2026. For years, American businesses have risked running out of critical minerals during market disruptions.
6:14Today we're launching what will be known as Project Vault to ensure that American businesses and workers are never harmed by any shortage. We don't want to ever go through what we went through a year ago. Project Vault is a strategic critical minerals reserve, including all but one of the rare earth elements. It sounds like a good idea, but a complicated one. Building a rare earth stockpile isn't quite as straightforward as hoarding bags of powdered food for when the apocalypse comes. Manufacturers need very specific materials in very specific forms at very specific purity levels. Building a stockpile means matching exactly what industry needs.
6:57And so the way that it's supposed to function is it is supposed to be designed for the private sector, with the private sector, and governed by the private sector. So manufacturers say, I need this thing in this amount, at this quality, at this cost, and then work with the trading agencies to go out and get it, and then house it until they need it. And so you're leveraging the in-house expertise and the logistics infrastructure knowledge, connections that trading agencies have, trading houses, and then you're making sure that you're actually getting things that our manufacturers truly need, right?
7:29Several big companies have already signed up to Project Vault, including General Motors, Lockheed Martin, and Alphabet. It all sounds very promising, though we shouldn't get too excited.
7:41Abigail Hunter:It's very much still in the design phase, I think. They haven't made any purchases. My FT colleague Camilla Hodson has been following this story of Project Vault. So still in the design phase, do you get the sense that they're making progress? Is the buying part of this imminent? I think so. We spoke to Ex-Im Bank quite recently and it sounded like they're gearing up for first purchases maybe this year. Also, some of the trading houses that are involved have been getting their act together, talking to potential suppliers and I think trying to figure out what they might be able to buy and from who.
8:15Okay, so now tell me what's happening in other countries. So what's the EU doing? The EU is slower on this. Surprise.
8:25Abigail Hunter:Surprise. They are definitely talking about stockpiling. It's a conversation. I think they're still at the point of some quite complex logistics. Like, if the EU is stockpiling, is that a central EU pot of metal? Or is that member states stockpiling? and if it's all in Germany, what happens if France has a crisis? So, like, this is a messy thing to sort out. I think the big picture is similar, that they want reserve stocks and they recognise that that's important. But in terms of the mechanics, I don't think that's been thrashed out. Some buyers are worried that when the stockpiling does start, given supply is already constrained, it will just push up prices.
9:05And there's an awkward detail. Much of the material that is supposed to go into the stockpiles comes from China. And funnily enough, China isn't rushing to help out. As part of its export restrictions, the Chinese are watching out for unusually large orders and demanding information on what any exports of rare earths will be used for. Stockpiling isn't allowed. This came up when I was researching my book, How to Win a Trade War, and I have some advice. Don't write, build stockpile to reduce dependence on China on the form. And once you do build a stockpile, don't shout about it. Otherwise, the Chinese might ask why they should keep selling you more.
9:47The stockpiling strategy clearly has a long way to go. But even when completed, it won't be enough to eliminate dependence on China. It's a backstop in case of an emergency. But stockpiles run out. If countries really want to reduce China's dominance, they need to do something much harder. Build new supply chains all together. Constructing a full mine-to-magnet supply chain is hard. Stage one involves finding a mine. If you're the EU, bad news. You don't have any active rare earth mines. The UK has never had one. But the US does. A big one called Mountain Pass. It's one of the most travelled stretches of freeway in the entire country, Interstate 15 from LA to Las Vegas.
10:36To get there, drivers head through Mountain Pass. But what most drivers probably don't notice is the mining operation just off the freeway. Mountain Pass produces somewhere between 10 and 15 % of the world's rare earths. Neodymium and praseodymium, key components of the strongest industrial magnets, are used in consumer electronics, cars, and wind turbines. The massive 500-foot-deep pit at the site, one of the largest rare earth mines in the world. Mountain Pass is owned and operated by the US company MP Materials. All this sounds very promising. The US has a massive mine, that's stage one. Now we can move to the next stages, or mining the rare earths and turning them into homemade magnets without risk of Chinese coercion.
11:23Unfortunately, rare earths don't come out of the ground ready to use. The rocks containing them have to be crushed. The ore is separated from waste rock, broken down, dissolved. The oxides are isolated, converted into pure metals, formed into alloys, pressed into shapes, fused into blocks, shaped, coated, and finally put into a strong magnetic field until they become magnets themselves. That's a lot. Which is why, right up until 2024, MP Materials was digging up rare earths in California, putting them on a ship, and sending them for processing to China. It's the processing stage where the Chinese are really dominant, with over 90 % of the world's capacity.
12:17Creating new processing capacity in the US is difficult. And the private sector hasn't exactly been champing at the bit to do it. Margins are thin, buyers are wary of committing to pay for new supplies of unknown quality and capacity to scale. And there's always the risk that China floods the market, sends prices crashing and wipes out your investment. The US government has been trying hard to stimulate that new capacity anyway. with deals including price flaws and guaranteed demand, or offtake agreements, as they're known in the industry. These deals offer certainty to companies that their large upfront investments will pay off.
12:57Now, these deals are very unusual, but they're a sign of just how much of a strategic priority rare earths have become. They also raise the obvious question, are they working? Camilla Hodgson again.
13:11Abigail Hunter:So MP Materials, for example, used to send everything that it mined to China to be processed. That doesn't happen anymore. It now produces much of what it mines domestically. It's not going to China. Its production is domestic. And the amount that it's producing is also growing. The kind of weird quirk there is that now what it produces largely goes to other Asian countries, Korea and Japan, because that's where magnet manufacturing, for example, is. So the whole supply chain is not in the US, and that is going to take a while. it's not quick to build a magnet factory. But I think that our material changes happening is just slow.
13:50What about companies other than MP Materials, though? I mean, my inbox seems to be a mix of press releases announcing some new funding deal or breakthrough that would revolutionize US capacity to create that mine to magnet supply chain. I think they want me to be excited. Should I be?
14:09Abigail Hunter:Yeah, it's a bit of a soup at the moment, an announcement soup. You have to be careful. A lot of these announcements are very conditional. So we might give you a million dollars if you do these things at some vague point in time, and maybe it will never happen. Equally, there are some companies that do seem to be getting real money, but they're in the very early stages. And mining is difficult at the best of times. And even companies with great plans and great people fail to make the mine that they said they were going to make. So I think there are a lot of risks. There's a lot of uncertainty around what will actually happen.
14:44Even if that uncertainty is resolved in a good way, US production can only deliver so much. If the American government really wants to reduce dependence on China, it's going to have to look further afield. That's mostly because of basic geology. The US only has proven supplies of some kinds of rare earths, the light ones. For heavy rare earths, which are just as important for high-end manufacturing, it's almost certainly got to go elsewhere. Rare earths are often not located at scale in the countries where refineries are being built. That's Gracelyn Baskarin, director of the Critical Minerals Security Program at the Center for Strategic and International Studies in Washington, D.C.
15:26So rare earths we financed in Brazil, while the refining facility might be in the United States, or the rare earths might be in Angola, but the closest processing facility might be in Saudi Arabia. Governments and companies around the world have recognized that building new supply chains not centered on China is a good idea. Global cooperation was motivated by the fact that every corner of the globe was impacted by China's rare earth export restriction. We know that Ford stopped manufacturing in Chicago. Suzuki stopped manufacturing the Swift model in Japan. The European Vehicle Manufacturers Association raised the alarm in Europe.
16:03So what happened was the rare earth restrictions and permanent magnet restrictions were not targeted at the United States. They were very global in nature. So for all of these countries that relied, whether it was on the midstream or the manufactured end good, they were impacted. So all of a sudden, at a time when countries were deciding how to engage with the U.S. after President Trump's election, it mobilized that coordination and cooperation at a scale. Let's just say that America's relationships with many of its allies have become complicated. Though when it comes to cooperating on rare earths, that's not necessarily a deal breaker.
16:42So there's a reduction in trust, but there's also an increase in the acknowledgement that we are in an era of transactional foreign policy. And the benefit of transactional foreign policy is that you know what you're going to get out of this deal, and I know what I'm going to get out of this deal. So we have deployed financing aligned to our critical mineral security goals. And in exchange, countries are getting investments in infrastructure and energy and other benefits. That said, America's allies aren't all running at the same speed. Some countries are investing more into rare earths than others.
17:19We've seen Japanese investment in rare earths, whether you go to the Lofdal Mine in Namibia, the separation facility in Malaysia, so on and so forth. But you have other countries. I mean, the United Kingdom in total has allocated$50 million to critical minerals, not rare earths, but critical minerals at large. And that is a woefully inadequate amount for a country that has sectors like automotive manufacturing that still rely on those rarers. So countries are certainly not carrying their weight in equal amounts, but we are starting to see more and more capital allocated to the sector globally.
17:56The U.S. is plowing ahead. As well as working to stimulate new supply chains in the U.S., work is happening to form and strengthen them elsewhere. In April, USA Rare Earth, a company in which the US government has a 10 % stake, spent almost$3 billion buying Brazilian mining company Cerro Verde. In doing so, it effectively bought the world's most important heavy rare earth mine outside of China. Heavy rare earths that the US mine mountain pass can't help with. The range of policies being deployed to expand rare earth supply chains is extraordinary. with U.S. government departments taking equity stakes in mining companies, offering financing, and also those off-take agreements to guarantee demand.
18:43It may have to go even further. When we're talking about developing rare earth projects in places like Africa, which are actually four of the top ten jurisdictions for rare earth exploration last year were in Africa, we're not just talking about building a mine. We're talking about building ports, rail, water, energy. You're talking about building permanent magnet facilities in the global north. So it's not enough. It's a start, but we have to acknowledge that China has been putting billions every year into this strategic goal for 35 years. As the U.S. and allies tried to create new mine-to-magnet supply chains, they still face the challenge that the Chinese don't really want that to happen.
19:24People don't always realize that China is acquiring rare-earth mines all around the world at rapid speed. So they're not going to give up this fight very easily. China also just established a single entity to manage its mine acquisitions globally. So while the U.S. largely operates reactively, you know, we find out there's an acquisition and then we try to intervene often too late. China's making a very aggressive play in a coordinated manner to use diplomatic pressure, strategic financing, etc. to secure these assets. So when you take it in whole, they're ahead of us. China is ahead on technology, human capital with its many mining engineers, and even infrastructure, having been honing its critical mineral operations for a long time.
20:11And today it's trying hard to sustain its lead. So people don't realize that, you know, some of these mines, while it's Western financed and Western owned, the only railroad going into that mine is Chinese, right? And I'm particularly thinking about Cerro Verde in Brazil, where the railroad is Chinese. And so you don't want a single point of failure where these refining capabilities have one mine feeding into that, that if that's disrupted owing to government problems or infrastructure problems, it stops. For years, China has restricted exports of the equipment and technology required to set up alternative supply chains.
20:49I asked my colleague Camilla whether there were any other examples of strategic behaviour.
20:55Abigail Hunter:Yeah, completely. I think this is very well thought through and planned. I don't think this is reactionary. And I think there are a few different things going on. The licensing system enables China to gather an enormous amount of data on who wants what metals and what for. So it enables China to sort of map out the rest of the world's supply chains, which is obviously interesting information. In terms of thwarting the West, talking to people in recent months, what it has sounded like is that it's been easier to get finished things, finished products like magnets exported from China, as opposed to the rare earths, the component materials.
21:36Abigail Hunter:And so the goal there, obviously, is to keep the rest of the world buying from China and to minimize the generation of an industry that uses the rare earths themselves. I think also China is being clever in how the licensing system works in the sense that, yes, it's a headache. Yes, companies are not getting everything they need, but it's not so impossible to get the stuff that it's triggered a global crisis and meltdown of supply chains. China has an interest in keeping supplies of rare earths and permanent magnets just high enough that it doesn't seem worth it to build alternatives. The principal challenge that we have is economics.
22:15So it's about how do you make these supply chains economic? And what the U.S. and our allies have done over the last year is primarily supply side efforts, more rare earths from more places. However, if we don't find a way to get the demand for these minerals up, what's going to happen is the market is going to continue in disequilibrium. However, what people don't realize is there's no consensus globally on who's going to pay for that price floor. Is it coming off of the fiscal balance sheet of a country? Is it the end user who goes to buy the car, but then that disincentivized is buying the car?
22:50At the end of the day, we have to find a way to get the demand for these rare earths up, or we're not going to keep these assets open. By now you've spotted the pattern. Escaping China's rare earth chokehold is very difficult. Trump's detractors have been super cynical about whether the U.S. government is going to do it. But I've heard that there will be more progress than those critics say. I asked Gracelyn what she thought. When China imposed the rare earth and permanent magnet export restrictions, there are no facilities outside of China. And if you look at where we are now, Linus's facility in Malaysia can now separate heavy rare earths.
23:31It became the first facility to do that outside of China. You see that MP Materials has commissioned its 10x permanent magnet facilities. You see that Novion Magnetics has started making those permanent magnets. So while we remain highly, highly reliant on China, those facilities are now in production and ramping up. These are massive steps that can't be understated. However, going from 100 % reliance to 25 in two years is also unrealistic. So we have to acknowledge that we made a lot of progress in terms of getting these facilities online, but that ramp up sourcing new sources of feedstock will take some time.
24:10There seems to have been a shift in the industry's mood. Camilla again.
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24:15Abigail Hunter:I think there is progress. I think the speed at which financing decisions are being made is different. And executives are saying it's much easier to get meetings with lawmakers. Because it's not the case that suddenly the US is mining way more than it used to. And partly that's just because it takes a decade or more to open a mine and to scale stuff up. But I think that the sentiment is different. People feel encouraged. And even if some of the bets don't pay off, I'm sure some of them will. I think it's just very hard to know which will work and which won't. Some progress, but nothing fast. All while China is doing its best to fight back.
24:55After the break, what if the answer to Western dependence on Chinese rare earths is to use less of them?
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27:54I've looked at two ways of reducing China's ability to weaponize its dominance in rare earths. Stockpile and build alternative supply chains. A third option is to innovate and either find new ways of accessing supplies or simply using less of them. So what about, instead of using Chinese rare earths, reusing the ones embedded in used motors, consumer electronics, wind turbines and medical equipment? That allows firms to recoup crucial materials without the need to rely on China. And so you see some tech companies who started recycling programs for rare earths, etc. And that's a way to really cut to the source of the problem and find a new source of supply.
28:36That's Corey Coombs, head of critical mineral and supply chain research at the policy advisory group Trivium China. Now, this recycling business sounds great, but... It's also very, very expensive, and most companies just can't pay for it, even if they wanted to. Shareholders certainly wouldn't tolerate it in the West as well, which is another issue. There are other options. It is also possible to get rare earths from the byproducts of industrial processes. There are various projects happening right now at various stages of development. The US government is throwing money at promising ventures.
29:12But in general, recycling and recovery are still early-stage technologies. Getting high enough volumes at high enough purity so that a project is commercially viable is just very challenging. So rather than innovating to find new ways of extracting rare earths, what about innovating to use less of them? One of the challenges with the technological supply diversification side is that a lot of the close-at-hand technologies are pioneered in China by Chinese labs when it comes to rare earths. So I think the major case in point is something called grain boundary diffusion. It reduces the content of heavy rare earths required to get a similarly performing high-end magnet, which is great because heavy rare earths are the critical choke point in terms of processing.
29:57So the less you need of it, the better, generally speaking. So that's an example of a technological innovation, and it's been described in many policy discussions I've had where it's like, great, this is our way out. It's like, that would be true if China hadn't already done that a decade ago, the best in the world working on it. And we're already using green boundary diffusion in a lot of the magnets that we're getting that are now being export controlled in one way or another. So it is important, but it is not a solution per se. What about instead of using less, stripping out the rare earths altogether?
30:32A number of entities are looking at magnets that don't contain reverse at all. And it makes sense on paper. It's been very difficult engineering-wise to actually get the same performance. There are different requirements for different applications, right? You're not going to use the same magnet in, you know, a hard disk drive if anyone still uses those compared to, you know, your missile guidance system, obviously. But it gets a little bit tricky when you're talking about high-end electric vehicles, right? You could use a less, you know, sophisticated magnet. You're not going to get the same performance out of it.
30:59So part of it's a choice. Do you want to sacrifice quality for a slightly worse magnet that has a lower supply risk. And that's not something that most companies are doing right now. It's not the trade-off they've chosen. A number of rare earths are used in a lot of applications that they're simply not replaceable. We will absolutely need some supply of especially the heavy rare earths beyond magnets that we just can't replace. On the military side, there's no choice. No military is going to sacrifice the best performance for a little bit of cost-cutting. They will just build a new supply chain if they have to.
31:26And that's what we're seeing. So I don't think you'll see magnets that don't have any rare earths in them in some of the more important military uses possibly ever. It's worth remembering that while some manufacturers might be able to engineer their way out of using so much of these rare earths, demand for robotics and semiconductors that use them is projected to rise a lot over the next few years. So Western governments are going to need to do a bit of everything. They're going to need to stockpile, build new supply chains, and foster innovation. Reducing dependence on China's supply chains will take time.
32:02But how much exactly? It's easy to find people to explain how hard it all is, and harder to find concrete answers to that question. Gori managed my expectations. There are decouplers who want to see the US using basically no rare earths from China. That timeline is, I don't even have an assessment for that timeline. On the other hand, if you want to get any supply to start reducing China's complete dominance over this space, it definitely is uncertain. But there are various reasons we thought technically and bureaucratically and technologically that it would take at least five years. And it looks to be about that.
32:40The timelines depend on how much independence from China you are aiming for. Here's Gracelyn. The likelihood that we go from being nearly 100 % reliant to zero in the next five to 10 years is unrealistic. However, to go to a point where we are, say, 50 % reliant on China can certainly be done within the next decade. So realistically, it's probably somewhere between 2030 and 2035 that we get to a point where we're not being economically coerced into doing things just so we don't lose access to these minerals and these magnets. This clearly isn't the first time Abby has heard the question, are we there yet?
33:24Here's her take. Everyone always asks, like, how long is this going to last? The honest answer is that mineral supply chains do not move on geopolitical timelines. They move on industrial timelines. It took decades for us to de-industrialize. It is going to take decades to re-industrialize. Developing a new mine can take 10 to 15 years in the United States, with some studies saying, You know, there's an average of 29 years. Even with permitting reform done, projects need feasibility studies, financing, surrounding infrastructure construction, processing design, commissioning. And then the refining and processing facilities are also multi-year undertakings.
34:04And then in order to kind of take these minerals and put them into advanced batteries, aircraft engines, semiconductors, weapon systems, they have very, very strict performance and safety reliability standards. So qualification can take years. Geopolitical tensions are moving very rapidly, and simultaneously we are needing to replenish our advanced weapons systems because we have ongoing conflicts that we are feeding into with our munitions. We will hopefully have put somewhat of a dent in this issue by the end of President Trump's second term, but ultimately the benefits of these investments that this administration is making are probably going to be felt in the next administration, or probably one after that.
34:48Whether five years, ten years or more, this race is going to last for a long time and through several US administrations. It's a dynamic situation, with the US and its allies making moves and the Chinese making countermoves. Winning is going to require a long, sustained effort. China has shown that it can do that. Others still have something to prove. They can and should celebrate pockets of progress. But if this is a race, the US and Europe are still pretty near the starting line.
35:34That is all for this week. You have been listening to The Economics Show with Samaya Keynes. and as you've noticed this hasn't been a normal episode but a special one building on some of the research I did when writing my book How to Win a Trade War with Chad Bowne If you enjoyed the show then do check it out and of course please do rate and review us wherever you get your podcasts This episode was produced by Misha Frankel Duval with original music and sound design from Breen Turner Manuela Saragossa and Topher Forges with the executive producers Flo Phillips is the FT's Head of Audio. Special thanks to Abigail Hunter, Grace Lynn Baskaran, Corey Coombs, and Camilla Hodson.
36:16I'm Samaya Keynes. Thanks for listening.
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In the US-China trade conflict, rare earth metals are Beijing's ultimate trump card. Last year, China ramped up restrictions on these key industrial elements, spooking industry, and forcing the US to
climb down. Since that wake-up call, the US has worked hard to reduce its dependence on China. It has spent huge sums backing mining companies, penned eye-catching deals and moved to collaborate with allies. But after a little more than a year, how much progress has it made in breaking China’s hold on the rare earths supply chain?
Featuring: Abigail Hunter of the SAFE Center for Critical Minerals Strategy; Gracelin Baskaran of the Critical Minerals Security Program at the Center for Strategic and International Studies; Cory Combs of Trivium China; and FT commodities correspondent Camilla Hodgson.
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