Amy Wroe Bechtel

29:20So right now it feels like some of Steve's story matches up and some of it doesn't. And while all of this is happening, there's also a huge media storm over Steve's refusal to take the polygraph test. Mark Class, father of polyclass, even weighs in saying that Steve should take one. But Steve says that they're basically trash and it will only be used against him despite his innocence. He also makes a point that I haven't really seen before in another case. He tells the Casper Starr Tribune, Whether I take that test or not should have no bearing on the ability to find Amy. If the law enforcement people are so incapable that they can't find a woman without figuring out whether or not I sweat when I talk, I think we're dealing with a really pathetic organization.

30:10End quote. Steve also fights back about what I think is a pretty hot topic in true crime. He says him hiring a lawyer isn't an indication of guilt. And he adds that it's generally a good idea for anyone to get a lawyer when the FBI accuses you of something you didn't do. So Steve's making his case in the media. And on the other side, Amy's parents and brother are doing the same thing. They are publicly pleading for Steve to just take the polygraph test so he can be cleared. They say that they want him to be cleared, and investigators share a similar sentiment. Basically, they can't and won't move on from Steve until he takes this polygraph, which he ultimately never does.

30:55Steve maintains his innocence. So at this point, Steve and his friends just keep searching for Amy, sending out flyers, and holding fundraisers, while investigators focus on him as the primary suspect. Now, what I really do love is that despite how everyone felt, they still came together for Amy. In late September, Steve and his friends organized a 10k walk slash run for her, with all proceeds going to help find Amy. Steve led the crowd. He said, We are all in this together. Amy is alive and we're going to find her. and Amy's mom, sisters, and nieces joined. They ended at Fry Lake, exactly where Amy planned to end her 10k.

31:43Unfortunately, it does seem that this unity was pretty short-lived. Amy's mom says that shortly after this, Steve just stopped talking to her family. And by the one-year mark of Amy being missing, the case hadn't really progressed at all. Nels is really outspoken about how hard-hitting the one-year mark was for him, and the frustration with the intrusion of reporters surrounding the date. Investigator King says that he's still speaking to someone new every week, but he still wants to talk to Steve and ask why he wrote about killing people. He flat-out says that Steve is hindering the investigation by not taking the polygraph.

32:25At this point, King and Steve's lawyer Kent Spence kind of duke it out in the media. While King is basically putting all the blame on Steve for Amy's case not moving forward, Spence counters this by saying that Steve has answered every question he can, and at this point he's being harassed and abused by the sheriff's office. He further adds that King's focus on prosecuting Steve is only to further his political campaign to be elected sheriff. It gets spicy Pent argues that King botched this case from the beginning Primarily by not securing the area as a crime scene Which he says is standard protocol But King claps back He says that they can't even confirm that Amy was in that area at all And it was Steve and his friends who messed up the crime scene And Amy's car before authorities ever got there And while I'm not sure I want to weigh in or what I even think about this media fight, I do agree with Spence that there were missteps.

33:28And the sheriff's office admits it too, albeit it was about a decade later. Sergeant John Serga, who inherited Amy's case in 2010, told Runner's World, quote, We didn't close off any routes out of here. We didn't close off any vehicles. All we had was a bunch of people up here looking for a missing runner. We actually ruined it with a vehicle, because we allowed the Skinners to drive it home. The investigation was not good for at least the first three days. There was a lot of stuff that was lost. End quote. It does seem that Zerga is correct, that not closing this off as a crime scene did impact quite a bit of at least potential evidence.

34:13Initially, they found a footprint near Amy's car that they thought was hers, but because the scene was trampled, they couldn't definitively link it to her. The same goes for another footprint found deeper in the forest. They thought it was Amy's, but were unable to find it later on, and believed it was covered by tracks from the searchers. And the missteps in this case are not limited to them just failing to secure the scene. At the end of August 1997, there was a reported sighting of Amy at a Salt Lake City convenience store, and there was supposedly surveillance video to back this up. Amy's family was super excited.

34:53Investigators tell them they're on it, they're going to go down there, get and review the tape. But Amy's parents later found out that the tape was never picked up, and by the time they went to follow up, it had been taped over. Now, you might be thinking, okay, but there are so many sightings in cases like this. That could have been anyone. And you're right, there have been countless reported sightings of Amy all over the country. But I have to imagine that for her family, for her loved ones, that question of what if? Was that Amy in Salt Lake City? Is just unbearable. It's a huge miss that could have at least eliminated that possibility that now remains open potentially forever There was also a very scary and kind of random witness statements that authorities never seem to get to the bottom of On the night Amy went missing, there was a report of gunfire 8 miles from Burk Gulch Not only that, someone was apparently screaming, quote Come on, you sissy.

35:59Do it. Do it. End quote. Again, another one of those things that I imagine Amy's family just thinks, what if? And unfortunately, there was another pretty big slip-up early on, too. Just the next month in September, the sheriff's office was made aware that over 100 ,000 flyers that they printed and mailed across the country listed a phone number for anyone to call if they had tips that only worked within the state of Wyoming. So anyone who got this flyer and tried to call from another state didn't have a working phone number to call. And it's not only that. Like, mistakes happen. No one and no investigation is perfect.

36:44But for some reason, somehow, it took them eight days to stop sending out this flyer across the country after they were told about this mistake. They also failed to follow up on a potential sighting of Amy. A sheep herder in the area told his boss that he saw two men and a woman driving in a pickup, and later saw the same truck without the woman. This wasn't followed up on for weeks, so Steve's friend and an interpreter went and did it instead. And this is something that King fought back against in the media, when talking about these missteps he says that this assessment is harsh and when speaking about this incident specifically he says this may be important Amy may be alive but likely isn't he says the investigation overall is more important than this potential sighting which I think I take as it all goes back to Steve it really does seem like if it wasn't a tip about Steve they weren't open to hearing it which I think is why they had this huge emphasis on begging him to take the polygraph.

37:55Even Amy's family, it was very clear that this investigation was not moving forward without Steve taking that test. And despite him being very outspoken about not taking it, they just kind of left it there. I can tell you from personal experience that these are the things that families keep in the back of their minds forever. All of these what-ifs. But, to play devil's advocate, I can't overstate the overall efforts that were made to find Amy. Investigators reached out to NASA to get satellite images from that day. They also reached out to Russian officials asking for the satellite photos from their MER space station, but no useful images were produced from either effort.

38:45They searched lakes and rivers, sometimes years later with new dive teams. They followed up on countless tips and sightings, from possible hit-and-run scenarios to following up on a rancid smell that ended up being a dead deer. And the media campaign for Amy was insane. YellowstonePark.com dedicated a subpage to Amy's disappearance. Her picture and the words, Have You Seen This Runner? took up the entire cover of an edition of Runner's World magazine. She also had huge spreads in the New York Times and People magazine. Her photo and information were shown on the Jumbotron during football games at the University of Wyoming.

39:26Steve also made his own website, whereisamy.com, and he and his friends manned a 24-7 hotline. The Casper Star Tribune, where I got a lot of this information from, ran a link on their homepage that said help find Amy for over two years straight. Her case was featured on Unsolved Mysteries, the Geraldo Rivera show, where Geraldo himself pled with Steve to take the polygraph test. And like I mentioned, she was even featured on the show Disappeared in 2013, over 15 years since she went missing. There was even a$100 ,000 reward. There are sightings of Amy in Salt Lake City, Florida, New Mexico, Colorado, and more.

40:10And of course, unfortunately, like we see in a lot of these bigger cases, Amy's loved ones had to suffer through a cruel hoax. A message in a bottle was found floating in the middle of a river, with a note that said, quote, Help! I'm being held captive in Sinks Canyon, Amy. End quote. but when her family saw the note, they quickly determined that it was not Amy's handwriting. Authorities also looked into a man named Kelly McLeod, who they thought may have been stalking Amy. Her brother Nels even called him a bigger concern than Steve, but he was later ruled out, as were Amy's brother and father for good measure.

40:53By the early 2000s, Amy's father Duane had passed away, and the investigation was basically in the same spot it was in 1997. They're focused on Steve and the polygraph test as the key to solving this case. But then, around 2003, investigators shift their attention to the recent conviction of a possible serial killer. A few months after Amy went missing, a man named Dale Wayne Eaton is convicted of kidnapping and trying to kill a couple and their 5-month-old baby in the Red Desert in southern Wyoming. Now, I'll be honest, some reports say attacked, but the mother of this child says that he tried to kill them, so take that for what you will.

41:37Either way, luckily, they all survive. But somehow, Eaton only serves 99 days in jail for this. But soon after, in July 1998, he is arrested again near Dubois after violating his parole, and during this stint in jail, he kills his sailmate in a fit of rage, then faces manslaughter charges. But through his criminal activities, DNA was taken from Eton, and he was linked to the 1988 rape and murder of 18-year-old Lisa Marie Kimmel. His property is searched, and they find her car buried on his land. They also find women's clothing and purses, along with newspaper articles about other missing and murdered women.

42:21Eaton is eventually found guilty of raping and killing Lisa Marie Kimmel in March 2004, and he was sentenced to death. Though after a lifetime of appeals, his sentence was later changed to life in prison without the possibility of parole in 2022, much to the dismay of Lisa's family. Some authorities believe that Eaton is linked to the murders of at least nine women in Colorado, Wyoming, and Nevada between 1983 and 1997, and maybe who they call the Great Basin serial killer. So what's the connection to Amy? Well, in what I would say is perhaps their biggest misstep of all, Eaton's brother Richard actually reached out to authorities shortly after Amy went missing.

43:10He said, hey, my brother is a bad guy and I think he may be involved. Richard tells them that he'd gone hunting and fishing with his brother in Burnt Gulch near where Amy's car was found many times. Not only that, he says that his brother had plans to camp in that exact area that summer, but this tip is basically ignored. They thought Richard wanted the reward money and decided to keep their focus on Steve. Again, I don't know Steve or Amy, and I aim to be as respectful as possible to everyone's feelings in this case. I understand why Amy's family feels the way that they do about Steve, from her brother being extremely adamant that he may have been involved to her sister being less certain of that.

44:00I'm not here to sway you one way or the other. I'm here to present the facts as I found them in my research. While most of the early detectives on Amy's case were pretty laser-focused on Steve, when Sergeant John Zerga enters the picture around 2010, that changes. He's the one who later admitted that the team screwed up by not securing the scene. And as it relates to Eaton's possible involvement, he told the Casper Star Tribune, quote, I think our detectives who were working the case were so adamant that it was Steve that they weren't looking in other directions, end quote. So Zerka does the only thing he can do at this point.

44:41He works the lead. He goes to Eaton in prison in 2010, but he refuses to talk to authorities. In 2012, Zerka goes back to Richard and he confirms the same story he told in 1997. He then goes back to Eaton in 2013, who again refuses to speak. Which is basically where the case is today. So, what happened to Amy Rowe Bechtel? Investigators seem pretty certain that Amy wasn't in some type of accident or attacked by a wildlife. They also don't think that she left her life to start another. Almost everyone involved believes that she was the victim of some type of foul play. Dale Wayne Eaton has never been charged with Amy's murder, but they certainly lost some time and potential evidence after failing to follow up on the tip his brother called in way back in 1997.

45:44There doesn't appear to be any solid evidence pointing to her ex-boyfriends or potential stalkers. Of course, there is always the possibility of a random stranger abduction. As far as I could find, while some items from Amy's home and Steve's truck were sent to their state lab for testing, nothing of evidentiary value was found. Early investigators seem adamant that Steve may have information about Amy that would lead to them cracking the case, while Sergeant Zerga believes too much time was spent focusing on Steve, and that Dale Wayne Eaton seems likely to blame. Now, I do think it's worth mentioning here that in my research, I found that Steve had a fallout with his friend Sam Lightner, the friend he says he was with on the day that Amy went missing.

46:33Sam did eventually say that he did like Amy more than Steve, but he never changed his story about what happened that day. The last I could find from Amy's family is that they are still a bit divided on the issue, but that may have changed over the years. According to Jake Nichols' reporting for Cowboy State Daily, as of 2016, Steve said he hadn't spoken to Amy's family in over 15 years, and hadn't consulted with a lawyer about the case in over a decade. He stayed in the same area, and in the rock climbing scene. He eventually got remarried and has a few kids now. From a purely logistical standpoint, it seems that either of these men could have harmed Amy.

47:20If Eaton was in that area, he could have easily killed Amy and left without being seen due to the delay in securing the scene and putting up roadblocks. He would have had days to see that someone was searching and get out of there. Steve would have had less time. But between getting home, the phone call made at 4.43pm, and seeing the Skinners for dinner around three hours later, that window of time does lend for that possibility. Ultimately, we don't know what happened to Amy. Just that countless people miss her dearly and mourn the life that she was working so hard to create for herself. The week this episode airs marks 27 years that she's been gone.

48:07Nearly three decades. And the 2024 Olympics are right around the corner. I can't speak for her loved ones, but after just researching Amy's case, I can't help but think about how she may have been there, likely coaching a younger, long-distance runner now. But, like I said a few times in this episode, I think that's the thing with missing persons cases. The not knowing. the constant what-ifs and wondering what could have been that lingers. Which brings me right to our call to action. Please share Amy's case. She has gotten a good amount of media attention over the years, but like in a lot of older cases, it certainly has slowed down.

48:56Maybe we can get the story of an Olympic hopeful who went missing back in the news cycle, and if we are very, very lucky, help all of Amy's loved ones get the answers that they've been waiting so long for so they no longer have to linger on the what-ifs.

49:22As a reminder, Amy Rowe Bechtel was 24 years old when she went missing from the Lander, Wyoming area on July 24, 1997. She is 5 '6", white with blonde hair and blue eyes. At the time of her disappearance, she weighed approximately 115 pounds. She was last seen wearing black running shorts, a yellow shirt, and running shoes. Anyone with information is asked to call the Fremont County Sheriff's Office at 307-332-5611. But as always, thank you, I love you, and I'll talk to you next time.

50:11Voices for Justice is hosted and produced by me, Sarah Turney, and is a Voices for Justice Media Original. If you love what we do here, please don't forget to follow, rate, and review the show in your podcast player. It's an easy and free way to help us and help more people find these cases in need of justice.

50:47Thank you.

51:28welcome to the secret after show let's talk about amy's case it was a hard one um again i say that i gotta stop saying that you guys um i think for me it's always hard when a family is divided or when law enforcement says something that may not align with the family. And of course, I always present all those facts to you. It's hard for me because I never want to hurt any of the loved ones of the people I feature on this podcast. But I couldn't cover this story without talking about this tug of war, this fight really between Nels and much of Amy's family being openly suspicious of Steve versus law enforcement later saying that that focus was a mistake.

52:23Of course, like I said, I don't know what happened to Amy. I hope somebody out there does and calls in a tip. But that being said, I can only present the facts and those are the facts. Early investigators really thought that Steve did it. This new guy comes in, a long time later in 2010, and says he thinks the focus was too much on Steve and that blinded them to these other factors. And I see both sides. I just hope that something leads to finding Amy. Now, there were a few other things I wanted to talk about in this case. Some lighthearted, a little less lighthearted. You guys know how it goes.

53:06Um, one thing was, I found this article from 1997 where it says psychics found Amy's case because her picture was posted on the internet. Just the internet. It doesn't talk about a website, no social media, just the internet. And I just thought it was a unique reflection of how things have changed, especially in sharing missing persons cases. I mean, we saw the efforts to share Amy's case, and it worked, right? I mean, people were coming from all over to come help search for her. And again, her case kind of went viral in a time before internet virality, which I know is a thing, right? There are plenty of true crime cases that have gotten super big in the media without the help of the internet.

53:54I don't know. It was just interesting to me. And there's a lot to be said about the efforts to find Amy. and I am still upset over those 100 ,000 flyers being sent without a proper phone number on them, but I will move on to the next topic, which is 911 call analysis. I think I've talked about this before. You guys know, I think, how I feel because I do think I've talked about this before. I don't think it's fair to analyze 911 calls. You know, I heard a snippet of Steve's call on disappeared and it didn't feel like much of anything to me. Of course, I am no one. I do not know Steve. Her family, Amy's family, I should say, may feel differently and I respect that 100%.

54:42I just think it's irresponsible for cops to go or, I'm sorry, the sheriff's office, I always mix those up, law enforcement, to talk to the media and cast suspicion based on a 911 call. I don't think it's a fair fight. I think everybody in emergency situations acts differently. And I think people are often surprised by how they act in emergency situations. You see it all the time with survivors, right? You know, fight or flight, fawn, you know, all those things. You don't really know what your reaction is going to be. On the other hand, I think about my sister and my dad, which I, I don't know, you guys tell me if you like hate me bringing this up.

55:26I just I feel like it's my best frame of reference, because I feel some type of way about the way that my dad reported Alyssa missing. He was extremely calm, the same way that they say Steve was calm, but then panicked other people, just like they say Steve was. So I don't know, that one kind of got me, because I found myself in this position of like, hey, I don't believe in, you know, analyzing these 911 calls, yet I have done the same thing in my dad's case. I don't know. I would love for you guys to weigh in on that. Let me know what you think. Of course, I think that there are some like glaring factors, right?

56:04I think, you know, maybe a difference with my dad's call versus Steve's is from what I heard from Steve, you know, it seemed pretty average, if you will. He was calling, he has a missing person, not a huge deal, right? Versus my dad adding all these details. My teenage daughter's on drugs, went to a known destination, she'll probably be back. So I guess I do feel like they're a little bit different. But in terms of analyzing how people are acting on 911 calls, are they frantic enough? Are they calm? What do you guys think about that? I don't think it's a fair fight. But again, I do feel a little hypocritical based on what I've said in the past.

56:43so you tell me going right into uh talking about analyzing other you know suspicions i of course wanted to talk about the hiring a lawyer suspicion which i think by now it's pretty standard um most people in true crime are like yes when somebody accuses you of murder you get a lawyer innocent guilty whatever you're accused of these things go get a lawyer um i think it was really just a sign of the times and what I always call old school true crime for law enforcement to be fighting this fight in the media with these talking points. He didn't sound concerned on his 911 call. He hired a lawyer. That's suspicious.

57:27It's just it's interesting to see in these older cases. And again, it just kind of all goes back to that old school true crime way of thinking. and I have to wonder how many cases that's impacted and if this really did impact Amy's case. You know, again, we don't know. We don't know if Steve is innocent or if he's guilty. We don't know what happened, but certainly if someone else is found liable for Amy's disappearance, it's worth taking another look at. The last thing I wanted to talk about was this serial killer, Dale Wayne Eaton. I did cut out of the script. I called him a trash person. And I was like, okay, I can't.

58:09Okay, I won't do that. So I saved it for the after show. I think I said, he's your average trash person. And then I started telling you about him. And I was like, okay, Sarah, pull it back just a little. But what I wanted to talk about here was like his luck. I don't like that. How he got 99 days for kidnapping this like entire family. And again, most reports do say attacked. The mother of this five-month-old said tried to kill. So I did side with her because it was a five-month-old baby. And I was clear about that in the episode. I will admit when I am taking a side and I took that side hard.

58:50But 99 days for parents of a five-month-old who thought that they were going to lose their lives. That doesn't feel like enough. I don't know. I don't know what the mandates are in that or the sentencing guidelines for that are. Doesn't feel like enough to me. And then he kills his cellmate and gets manslaughter charges when as far as I could find he killed him in a fit of rage which I guess, I guess actually you do see that in some manslaughter but still doesn't feel like enough. And then while I will say that I am not someone who is pro-death penalty, for him to file appeal after appeal after appeal to then get that overturned to be life in prison without parole, it's just like a crazy series of events where he feels, oh he feels, I feel like he's just kind of, I mean he's getting off kind of easy.

59:48I don't know, maybe I do have a bias towards people who kill a lot of people, and I am happy to say that right here and right now. If you kill people, I do not like you, and I do not think you're a good person. And while I do believe in reform, when you repeatedly kill people for, you know, many, many years without remorse, and don't want to help in other people's cases, I have a hard time believing that you are, one, reformed, two, focused on reform, or three, even care about reform. So if you're a bad person who does not want to be a good person, I'm going to say right here and right now and make a stance and say that you suck.

1:00:26You suck. I know that's very controversial as I normally do in this after show, but I stand by it. Moving on to what's going on with me, because I am obviously feeling some type of way. Um, obviously last week I took off. Um, it was the one year anniversary of my father being acquitted, which is still very hard to deal with. Um, it's just hard. I don't know what else to say about it. And I think seeing him on the internet doing what he's doing, trying to become an influencer, talking trash about me, saying that I planted the bombs in the house. it just makes it harder um so coming off the true crime podcast festival which was great i loved meeting you guys um i did my keynote speech which i was so worried about and people were so nice to me and gave me the best feedback so all that was fine it was just exhausting i came out of the festival that i had been prepping for for weeks i was so nervous about my speech right after that bam was the anniversary right after that was some not pleasant things with a project going on with Alyssa that maybe someday I'll be able to tell you about.

1:01:40I don't know. It was a really, really hard week. And while I was, I had this episode pretty much ready to go, I needed time off. I needed time off. And I decided to instead take this moment, this anniversary to highlight what I'm doing going forward in Alyssa's case, because that's what makes me feel better when bad things happen or I feel sad about Alyssa's case like the anniversary. I like to work towards things that I think will help make it better or at least a creative form of expression for me. So that's why you got that teaser last week of Alyssa's new season. I'm also just bursting to tell you guys everything that's happened which I've been like this for four years and I'm no longer able to contain it.

1:02:29So I'm so happy that the teaser is getting going. The season is progressing. So if you haven't listened to that, definitely listen. There's like seven minutes or something insane of just audio of what's been going on, which you guys know is my favorite thing, especially when it comes to Alyssa's case, because I understand as her sister, as the prime suspect's daughter. I'm biased. Of course I am. Of course, every family is biased. Every person is biased, I would argue. But of course, I'm biased. And I will say that all day, every day. So I like using the actual audio. I like using actual examples.

1:03:10I think that it's more powerful than me going up to my dad and being like, how I feel about the other gentleman whose name I don't care to remember because he killed a bunch of people being like, dad, you suck. You suck. And I think you did this. I think you're a bad person. Like that doesn't that doesn't move people the same way as me going up to him and saying, OK, well, on this date, you wrote this letter that said these exact words. So are you saying something different now? And getting his real reaction, because my God, does my dad make this story for me. I mean, I could probably make a podcast of just my father talking if I wanted to cater to his ego that bad.

1:03:55He tells on himself all day, every day. And that's what you're going to hear in the new season. It is, to be honest, at True Crime Podcast Festival, my speech was kind of like a test of what I wanted the new season to be like. And that's from my point of view. I've never done that before. I've never just been like, this is what happened from my point of view. Of course, not just emotional. I will have examples, as I always do. You guys know, I come correct with receipts every time, and I always will. Or I'll tell you if I don't have receipts. I will say that I do now have proof that they did tell me to get media, so that is a very exciting revelation for me, because that was one thing that I had to tell you guys.

1:04:38I have no proof of this. I promise they told me to get media, and I now have proof. But again, you're going to hear from my side of the story. You're going to hear all that. The fight to legitimize what the police told me to do, going through the court system, being, oh, the process between the county attorney and the police and the runaround I got there. I was told it was two weeks, or it would be two weeks before I was told if my dad would be arrested, that it was two months and it was, ugh, so much has happened. And I am so excited to start fresh, start from the beginning and just tell you the story, how I always wanted to tell it without being afraid of it, you know, not holding up in court or, you know, hurting Alyssa's case.

1:05:29It's at the point where we either find Alyssa's remains or not and there's not much that can hurt her or this case or me now so I'm doing it the last final season of Alyssa which is so hot it's so hard to say it's like because it's still ongoing um of course if there are updates I'm sure I'll add to it but um I'm ready to tell this story and finish it to the best of my ability. All right, I'm not going to cry. The last thing I wanted to talk about in this segment here was why Alyssa's new season is not going to be on Voices for Justice, but on my new show, Media Pressure. That's for a few reasons, right?

1:06:22Because Voices for Justice was never supposed to be what it is now. That was never the plan. It was always, I'm going to tell Alyssa's story, Hopefully people listen. Please listen. That was the entire plan. And thankfully you guys did. And of course I stopped episodes because of the arrest. And I started covering other cases. I could not leave families out here in true crime after what I went through. And I just wanted to help tell their stories, help get justice for people. And that's what Voices for Justice turned into. A weekly show featuring a new case in need of justice each week. And I love that.

1:06:56I love what I do here. It is truly my baby and my passion project, but it's not what it was when I started it. And I don't want to take away from what I've built here in terms of these new cases and the feed and confuse people with another long series or long form season. and it's twofold right for what so one I don't think it makes sense on this feed anymore which is hard to say because it all started with Alyssa and you know she'll always be so rooted here but you know it's twofold because the other reason is I want media pressure to be built up so big that every family every person connected to a story that comes after me has a massive platform to tell that story.

1:07:52You know, and Julie knows this. Julie Murray, who hosted season one about her sister Maura, you know, I was very open with her and I said, listen, I want Maura, I want you to be this first season because I know this case is bigger than life, right? It's larger than life. It's a huge case that's going to draw in a lot of listeners. Like one, of course, I want Julie to tell her story. You guys know, I don't need to justify all that. But we started with Maura because we knew that would build the feed. Because if I started with a smaller case, people wouldn't listen. It just is what it is. I wish it wasn't that way.

1:08:30But again, so going back to my point, starting with Maura, we're doing Alyssa on media pressure. That way, it's a mix of big cases that do draw people in so that those with smaller cases, which are in progress. I have, I cannot wait to bring you this season of this case that I'd never heard about. I feel like no one has covered. I want cases like that to be elevated by all the other seasons of the feed. So that's why Alyssa is going to media pressure. Also because media pressure was created because of Alyssa. That's why it's called media pressure. The police told me to get media pressure. The whole idea of that feed is featuring cases that have either been greatly impacted by media pressure, like Maura Murray, or cases greatly in need of media pressure, like many cases that we're working on seasons on for right now.

1:09:29I am running out of words to speak, but I hope that made sense. It was very rambly, as I normally am sometimes, which is why you get scripted in the regular show and unhinged in the after show because I am truly one to go off on tangents like I am right now. So I hope that all made sense. I hope you listened to the preview for Alyssa's new season and I hope you're excited. I am. But on to our segment of hope. this one is going to be short but sweet um it comes from abc news from july 23rd 2024 this was written by annabelle muñoz the title is missing 15 year old monterey park girl found safe outside of abc 7 which i thought was unique so um let me read you the article we are in glendale california for this one a 15 year old girl who went missing in monterey park last week was found safe Tuesday morning outside of ABC7's office in Glendale.

1:10:36Apparently, a security guard saw that she was walking and had been followed by someone in a car who recognized her as a missing minor and called police. Now, this girl had apparently left home on a bike about a week prior. She said that she was headed to her aunt's house in San Gabriel but never arrived. now it does seem like there's a little bit more to this story they do say that due to confidentiality laws they can't discuss whether the minor has been in contact with her family but essentially she leaves on her bike and then shows up at this news office which is just so random and so crazy and again so wonderful because she is found safe she is okay and that's what we care about that's why it makes our segment of hope one because people come home in the most unpredictable ways, and she beat all those statistics by coming home.

1:11:31So I wish her nothing but the best. I hope everything is okay with her family. I will not say her name, but that is our segment of hope. And as always, thank you, I love you, and I'll talk to you next time. Rinse takes your laundry and hand delivers it to your door, expertly cleaned and folded, So you could take the time once spent folding and sorting and waiting to finally pursue a whole new version of you. Like tea time you. Or this tea time you. Or even this tea time you. So did you hear about Dave? Or even tea time, tea time, tea time you. So update on Dave. It's up to you. We'll take the laundry.

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