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Voices for Justice Podcast Episode Summary
Episode Title
April Dawn Lacy Host: Sarah Turney Original Air Date: [Insert Date]
Episode Overview In this episode, Sarah Turney discusses the complex and tragic story of 14-year-old April Dawn Lacy, a girl whose life was marked by hardship and ultimately ended in mystery. Found dead in a remote area of Wise County, Texas, her identity was unknown for over two years, leading her to be referred to as "Brush Girl". This episode emphasizes systemic failures in child welfare and highlights the importance of community awareness in solving cases of missing children.
Key Themes
- Childhood Trauma and Abuse: April's upbringing was plagued by her parents' substance abuse, resulting in a childhood devoid of stability and support.
- Systematic Failures: The episode critiques how the police and social services often overlook cases involving vulnerable children, particularly those deemed "runaways".
- Community Involvement: A call to action is made for listeners to raise awareness of April’s case, emphasizing the need for community engagement in cold cases.
Background on April Dawn Lacy
- Birth Date: July 2, 1982, in Oklahoma City.
- Family Circumstances: Born to parents with severe substance abuse issues; her father introduced drugs to her mother.
- Life Challenges: Faced poverty early on, learned to shoplift to help her family, and often stayed with friends to escape her home life.
Significant Events
- Disappearance:
- April was reported missing twice by her mother in October 1996, with little to no effort made by authorities to search for her.
- After returning home following a short absence, she vanished again, leading to her mother's delayed reports to the police.
- Discovery of Remains:
- April's body was discovered on October 8, 1996, in a wooded area, leading to suspicions of foul play.
- Initial investigations lacked urgency, with her case classified as a runaway, resulting in minimal media coverage.
- Identification:
- After years of investigation, she was identified in 1999 through dental records and forensic sketches.
- Her parents were under suspicion during the investigation but were later arrested for unrelated drug charges.
Investigation and Theories
- Cause of Death: Believed to be strangulation, though the autopsy was complicated by decomposition.
- Mother's Involvement: Evidence suggests that April’s mother may have trafficked her to clients, casting doubt on her account of events surrounding April's disappearance.
- Serial Killer Theory: The episode discusses a potential connection to a series of unsolved murders of women along the I-35 corridor, indicating a wider pattern of violence against vulnerable women.
Community Call to Action
- Sarah urges listeners to share April's story to raise awareness and create pressure for justice. She emphasizes that every child deserves recognition and a voice when they go missing.
Heroes of the Episode
- David Walker: Wise County Sheriff's Captain who played a crucial role in April's identification and the investigation.
- Ashley and Kathy Marion: Friends of April who provided a loving environment and vital information about her life and struggles.
Closing Thoughts Sarah Turney concludes the episode with a powerful message about the systemic failures that allow cases like April's to go unsolved. She reiterates the importance of community advocacy and the need for vigilance in protecting vulnerable children.
Call to Action Anyone with information regarding April Dawn Lacy’s case is urged to contact the Wise County Sheriff’s Office at 940-627-5971.
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Transcript
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0:44This podcast may not be appropriate for younger audiences. All parties are innocent until proven guilty in a court of law. Some names have been changed or omitted per their request or for safety purposes. Listener discretion is advised. My name is Sarah Turney and this is Voices for Justice.
1:07Today, I'm discussing the case of April Dawn Lacey. In the United States, there are thousands, tens of thousands of school-aged children living in motels. Entire families packed into a single room because that's all they can afford, or because they can't get approved for traditional housing. It's become such a common occurrence that they're often referred to as the invisible homeless. While it's certainly not an ideal situation, many of these parents are still incredibly loving caregivers who ensure that their children are fed, clothed, and keep going to school so they can have some type of normalcy until they can get back into traditional housing.
1:49Then, there are parents like April's mother who place the responsibility of making ends meet on their children, who don't make them go to school, who teach them to lie, cheat, steal, and really do anything to survive. This is the case of April Dawn Lacey. April's life was never easy. Kathy Marion, the mother of April's friend Ashley, told the Fort Worth Star-Telegram, quote, April was a throwaway kid. With her parents, she never had a chance. But if you knew her, you had to love her. End quote. Even Wise County Sheriff's Captain David Walker said, quote, this young girl had very grim chances of succeeding in life, end quote.
2:38April Dawn Lacey was born on July 2nd, 1982 in Oklahoma City to Dale Lacey and Jacqueline Lacey, who both suffered from substance use disorder. Specifically, her father often drank and used cocaine. He later introduced April's mother to the drug, who eventually began using crack cocaine. Her father did teach April how to play baseball, and for a very short moment in her life, she was truly happy playing t-ball for the city's Optimist League. But unfortunately, that was very short-lived. Ashley recounts that April spent much of her childhood struggling with poverty. April knew early in life which agencies handed out food and which handed out clothing.
3:21She also began collecting and cashing in cans to help her parents with bills and to pay for drugs. and she spent a good amount of time dumpster diving to feed her family, including her three brothers, two older and one younger. Her mother Jacqueline also taught April how to steal. She told April that if she were caught, she'd likely be let off with a warning because she was a juvenile. And while April often escaped unscathed while shoplifting, she was once caught stealing a chicken from her local Walmart store. When she was brought to her mother by the store employees, Jacqueline acted angry and slapped April across the face hard several times in an effort to hide her involvement and feign disappointment in her daughter.
4:06Ashley remembers April coming to her after, crying, saying that being slapped was never a part of the deal. But this was April's reality. Soon, shoplifting became basically transactional. In order to spend the night at her friend's house, she'd have to shoplift something for her mother, often nail polish, cigarettes, or anything else her mom requested. April often took refuge at her friend Ashley's house. They met when April was 12 and Ashley was about 16. In that same article for the Fort Worth Star-Telegram, Ashley said, quote, She didn't look like somebody I'd want to know. She was ragged and dirty.
4:45She was 12 and I was four years older than she was, but somehow we just hit it off. Pretty soon I was like her big sister and we just took her in. End quote. Ashley and her mom treated April like family and taught her fundamental life skills like how to bathe herself. She would stay at their home for as long as she could until her mom came knocking so April could help her collect cans or find food. Ashley admits that at the time when she would occasionally join April and her mom, she thought it was kind of exciting, especially because April almost never got caught. Quote, And she never worried about it.
5:23She was sort of innocent. April lived in the moment. I don't remember us ever talking about anything beyond what was right in front of us, not college or getting married and being a mom. She couldn't see that far into the future. But her life wasn't good. She wanted a family. And I wanted her to be a part of my world. So we put her there. End quote. By 1995, April had her own bed at Ashley's house and spent Christmas with them as well. Ashley told Dawn Chance with the Fort Worth Star-Telegram, quote, She stayed with us most of the time. She was always with us. She was never with her mother. She was a good person.
6:04When she was with my mother and I, and she lived with us quite a bit, she didn't want to go back. She wanted her last name changed to my mother's, end quote. Kathy Marion has a master's degree in child studies, and she asked April to draw a family portrait to get a better idea of what she really wanted. She says April drew a crude sketch with crayons showing a large house with three stick figures who were frowning. On the back, April wrote, quote, This is my family. The reason I am not in this picture is because I'm never around, and they don't care whether I'm with them or at my best friend's house.
6:40End quote. After that, Kathy petitioned the court to become April's legal guardian. But unfortunately, that never happened. The petition failed. And that same day, Jacqueline Lucy came to her home with the police to remove April from Kathy's home. Kathy says that was the last time she ever saw April. In January 1996, Jacqueline moved them into room 102 at the Drovers Inn Motel off the I-35, where rent was$19 a week. By this time, it was just April and her mother. April's father was out of the house, and her younger brother had been taken from their parents' care after social workers found them in an unclean home with an empty refrigerator.
7:24April knew she was likely next, and stopped attending school after one of the counselors threatened to place her in a group home. It was just 13-year-old April and her mom, who was now engaging in sex work out of the motel room that they shared. A few months after April's 14th birthday, in September 1996, her mother reported her missing, stating she may have run away. There was no search for April. There were no news reports about a missing child from Drover's Inn off the I-35. But a few days later, April did return on her own. And just a few weeks later, Jacqueline would report her daughter missing again.
8:05According to Jacqueline, on October 2, 1996, she and April went to Walmart to get April some press-on nails, since she was known to chew hers down. She says that after that, they stayed up late watching TV on the bed that they shared. The next morning, on October 3, at about 10.45 a.m., April found her mother outside, leaning on the passenger side door of a stranger's car, while someone waited in the driver's seat. From the doorway of their room, April told her mom she needed to speak with her. Jacqueline told her they'd talk when she got back. But April insisted. She said, no, I need to talk to you now.
8:45Jacqueline refused and got into the car. Then, April said, quote, If you leave, you'll never see me again. She then flipped her mother off as the car drove away. And if Jacqueline is telling the truth about this exchange, April was right. Her mother, no one ever saw her again.
9:10Jacqueline Lacey said that she was only gone for 45 minutes before returning to their room at 11.30 a.m. to find that April was gone. She said April left behind her makeup, new purse, and a pack of Marlboro cigarettes that they'd shared. She reported her missing that same day, October 3rd. Now, I want you to keep in mind these times and dates as you learn more about April's story, because they will become critical in trying to piece together what happened to her. As far as I could find, like the first time April was reported missing, there were no news articles highlighting her disappearance, and none of the articles I sourced for this episode mention any type of search for her, not about the community coming together to look, search teams, dogs tracking her scent, or helicopters.
10:00Her father, Dale, didn't even know that she was missing until about a week later. He admits it was due to his drinking at the time, and once he realized, he called the police to report her missing himself. According to Dale, he and Jacqueline were considered suspects in April's case immediately, and investigators questioned them for 14 hours. However, the Oklahoma City Sheriff's Office has pushed back on this, saying it was just normal protocol for a missing child. They start with the inner circle and work their way out. But while all of this is happening, what they didn't know, what the sheriff's office didn't know, was that April had already been found deceased.
10:40She was found on October 8, 1996 by a rancher on his property near Slidell in an unincorporated community in Wise County, Texas. It's about an hour from the Oklahoma border, and about two and a half hours from April's home in Oklahoma City, just 15 minutes off the I-35. She was found face down, completely nude, in a pile of brush and scrap lumber with her right arm extended. Investigators theorize that she was dragged by her arm to her final location. Her face was purple and her eyes were tightly clenched. No wounds were found on her body. When Wise County Sheriff's Captain David Walker responded to the call, it was his first homicide case, but he immediately suspected that she'd been strangled.
11:37Near April's body, there were tire tracks and spent shotgun shells. It was a popular area for dove hunters at the time, so while it seemed unlikely that the shells were related in any way, he still bagged them for evidence just in case. He also created casts of the tire tracks. Now, this was a pretty congested crime scene. The rancher had actually leased this particular pasture to an oil company, who had cleared the elm trees and shoved them into the pile where April was found. Near this area were about a hundred pieces of cloth that the oilmen used to clean their hands. They also found an empty beer can under a rusted tractor that they later determined was just dropped by a hunter.
12:21April didn't have any tattoos and she wasn't found with any jewelry. Without any way to identify her, she was listed as Brush Girl as Walker wrote the report detailing his findings. From there, she was sent to the Tarrant County Morgue where they did an autopsy and perform dental x-rays. They estimated that she was anywhere from 20 to 40 years old and listed her cause of death as a homicide, possibly from strangulation, though it was hard to tell due to the state of April's remains. Walker told the Houston Chronicle, quote, the condition of the body indicates that she'd been on that pile a lot longer than five or even eight days, end quote.
13:05The shotgun shells were tested, the casts were examined, but nothing was found. Walker says he believes that the tracks were likely from dove hunters, but he wanted to be overly cautious in case something panned out. He continued checking disappearances of young women in the area, but none were a match to April. He ran down thousands of leads through the NCIC, but just nothing was panning out. According to reporting by Larry Bingham for The Columbian, when Walker put April's details into the database, there were about a thousand matches. So he opened a file for her in every single state in the country, trying to make a match.
13:48Now, he'd come across April's case before, but because they estimated that Brush Girl was closer to 20 years old and had likely been killed prior to April being reported missing, he didn't consider the case to be a match. He also went back to the Tarrant County Medical Examiner's Office to try to narrow down April's age, using a variety of methods, including those dental x-rays, they were able to go back in and estimate that she was as young as 14 years old, right on the money. And this is what ultimately helped identify her, along with a forensic sketch created from April's remains. In April 1999, Lieutenant Tim Lumman with the Oklahoma County Sheriff's Office saw this new age estimate for brush girl in the database, and pretty quickly he connected it to April's disappearance.
14:38Investigators went to Dale and Jacqueline Lacey with the news. Jacqueline nearly collapsed, and Dale asked for a drink. They said they believe they found their daughter. She had blondish brown hair, was about 5 feet 4 inches tall, and weighed approximately 110 pounds. She chewed her fingernails and had an overbite. They showed them the picture of a forensic sketch created for April, and according to that same article from Larry Bingham, the conversation went like this. Did your daughter bite her nails? Yes. Did she have an overbite? Yes. Could this be her? No. They said the chin was too round, hair too long, and nose too big.
15:22It wasn't their daughter. At this point, investigators separated Jacqueline and Dale for questioning. They asked Jacqueline if she could have been wrong about the date April went missing, and they asked Dale if he thought Jacqueline could have used drugs and killed April, which he denied. They were sent home with a copy of the sketch. April's grandmother and aunt were also given copies. And eventually, one of them, unfortunately the reporting doesn't specify who, remembered something. April fell off her bike when she was 12 and had to have x-rays taken and eventually three stitches above her eye.
15:59So investigators requested the x-rays from April's doctor. It was a perfect match to April. Her overbite, most of her teeth, even her sinus cavities were a perfect match. When investigators went back to the Lacy's with the news, they still weren't convinced and asked for DNA testing to confirm. So they did the testing and they confirmed without a doubt that Brush Girl was April Dawn Lacy. But not long after, both Dale and Jacqueline were arrested on drug charges before they could claim April's remains. So April sat in the morgue for about another four years until her parents were released from prison in the spring of 2003.
16:45April was finally laid to rest on June 28, 2003 in what's been described as a simple graveside ceremony in the Mount Olivet Cemetery in Paul's Valley, Oklahoma. There were about 20 people in attendance. While original reporting on this states that there was no gravestone for April, when you look up her grave now, it appears that someone has since placed a small marker for her. But after this, April's parents say that they created a path to recovery and attended Narcotics Anonymous meetings regularly after April's funeral. Dale Lacey blamed himself for April's murder. He told the Fort Worth Star-Telegram, quote, I was not available then.
17:30I was not around. I didn't even know she was missing until most of the week had been lost. At that time, I was a severe alcoholic. There could have been a lot of things I could have done different. Not drink was one of them. Maybe she'd still be alive if I wasn't drinking, end quote. In August 2003, he told the Fort Worth Star-Telegram that he was diagnosed with asbestos-induced mesothelioma after a lifetime of working on old houses. He passed away on November 15, 2004, at the age of 51, and was buried at the same cemetery as April. Jacqueline has taken less responsibility for what happened to her daughter.
18:15After April was identified, like the sheriff's office stated, they began speaking to those closest to April and work their way out, and what they found was extremely disturbing. Many people reported that not only had Jacqueline forced April to shoplift to help her family, she also trafficked her to her own clients. Now, just to be clear, Jacqueline admitted to police and the media that she was actively using drugs and engaging in sex work herself, but says April did not. She denies all claims that she allowed April to use drugs or that she trafficked her out of the motel. By March 2004, Jacqueline was back in prison, serving a five-year sentence for possession of forged identification documents.
19:02At that time, she told the Houston Chronicle, quote, I admit I did it, but I never had her there when I was doing it, and I never had her doing it. That's a lie. End quote. But there's also the matter of timing. Remember, I told you earlier in this episode to take note of all the dates in this case. April was reported missing on October 3rd, and found five days later on October 8th. But according to the medical examiner, April's body was decomposed far beyond that five-day time frame. Walker says even beyond eight days. His full statement to the Houston Chronicle reads, The time element in the mother's story doesn't match up.
19:47The condition of the body indicates that she'd been on that pile a lot longer than five or even eight days. We think the mother knows more than she told us. We also have good information that she was pimping the girl. End quote. It seemed clear to investigators that Jacqueline Lacey knew a lot more than she was sharing with police, and likely reported April missing days after she was already gone. That entire story of April telling her mom that she needed to speak with her right then, and flipping her off as she drove away, could have very possibly been fabricated. Now, just to be even more clear, it doesn't seem that investigators believe Jacqueline was the person who strangled April, but more likely that it was someone Jacqueline may have trafficked April to, possibly one of her own clients.
20:39And they really need Jacqueline to speak with them at this point, because they believe April may have just been the first of at least seven victims found murdered along the same highway corridor.
20:5547-year-old Margaret Holmes Gardner was last seen on July 9, 2003, at a truck stop in West Memphis, Arkansas. She was found on July 11, 2003, along the I-40 entrance ramp near West Memphis. Her cause of death was eight blows to the head and possible asphyxiation. 24-year-old Suzanne Hyman was last seen on August 11, 2003, at a truck stop on the I-35. She was found on August 20, 2003, along Highway 7 near Oxford, Mississippi. Her cause of death was strangulation. 43-year-old Sandra Janelle Beard was last seen on September 12, 2003, at a truck stop on the I-40 in Oklahoma City. Her body was found on September 18, 2003, along an I-40 entrance ramp near Chakota, Oklahoma.
21:53Her cause of death was asphyxiation and possible strangulation. A woman who was listed as unidentified in 2004 reporting by the Houston Chronicle was approximately 35 to 45 years old when she was found deceased on October 16, 2003, near an I-40 entrance ramp near McLean, Oklahoma. Her cause of death was blunt force trauma to the head. 39-year-old Sandra Leanna Richardson was last seen on November 16, 2003 in Oklahoma City, and was found deceased on November 22, 2003, near the intersection of Highway 62 and Highway 48, just north of the I-40. Her cause of death was blunt force trauma to the head and face, with two punctures to her throat.
22:46And 19-year-old Casey Jo Pipestem was last seen on January 28, 2004 at a truck stop near the I-35 in Oklahoma City. She was found deceased on January 31, 2004 at Big Bear Creek Bridge in Grapevine, Texas near the I-35 East. Her cause of death was strangulation. Lieutenant Bob Murphy of the Grapevine Police told the Houston Chronicle, quote, we don't know a whole lot. There's no positive proof these killings are related, but they all come from Oklahoma. They were all prostitutes who frequented truck stops. They've all been found completely nude. They're near interstates, and they've been thrown away like trash, just tossed along the road.
23:31End quote. As far as I could find, there is very little reporting on basically all of these women. The only case that's been solved thus far is Casey Jo Pipestems. In that same article, Casey's uncle said, quote, my niece, these other women, they weren't just drug addicts, just prostitutes. They were somebody's daughters and nieces. They were victims. And the person who did this to Casey is going to do it again to somebody else. End quote. Investigators quickly leaned towards the theory that a trucker was likely to blame for this string of murders. And Casey's story ran on America's Most Wanted that there was possibly some type of big rig killer on the loose.
24:16The story generated 84 tips, leading them to a truck driver named John Robert Williams. His relative actually called into the program saying they remembered Williams bragging about killing Casey. But by this time, Williams was already serving a life sentence plus 20 years in Mississippi for kidnapping and murdering 28-year-old Nikki Hill, who was later found near Highway 16 West in Philadelphia. He was arrested on August 17, 2004. His girlfriend slash accomplice, Rachel Cumberland, was also sentenced to 20 years in prison for her involvement. According to 2005 reporting by WLBT3 News, investigators believe they may be responsible for upwards of 40 murders along the highway systems of the Midwest up to Pennsylvania.
25:06And in 2009, Williams was indicted in Texas for the death of a woman named Vicki Helen Anderson, who was last seen at a truck stop in Oklahoma and found off the I-40 in Texas in 2003. So there was a long, all-too-familiar track record that investigators had to work with by the time they got this lead about Williams. When they went to visit him in 2012, he quickly identified Casey and told investigators details about her murder that had never been released to the public. According to that reporting, he was charged with her murder, but the article also reads, quote, an official with the Tarrant County District Attorney's Office says a trial for Williams in Texas will only take place if he is released from prison in Mississippi, end quote.
25:54And as far as I could find, that day never came. He was never tried for Casey's murder. And Cumberland was released after serving just eight years of her 20-year sentence. Casey's sister expressed her frustration in a 2013 interview with Nine News. The family of a teenager allegedly killed by a suspected serial killer wants justice. Their loved one was murdered nearly a decade ago, along with more than a dozen other victims at truck stops along I-40. But tonight, as News 9's Michael Konoposik reports, the suspect has yet to be put on trial. Well, Carl and Amanda police believe Casey Joe Pipestem was murdered nine years ago after being abducted in Oklahoma City.
26:35Tonight, family members say it's been long enough. They want a conviction, but most of all, they say they need closure. She was beaten, raped, and strangled and thrown off a 37-foot bridge naked. Daphne Harjo says no more than 24 hours after her sister was kidnapped from the Southwest Side Drug Stop, her body was found 200 miles south in Grapevine, Texas. This is something that, you know, happens on TV. This doesn't happen in real life, but it does. And it happened to us, not only to us, but to 13 other families. For years, police had been baffled by the big rig killer and his girlfriend accomplice, leaving a trail along the I-40 corridor as far east as Tennessee.
27:20It was shortly after a story aired on America's Most Wanted when police finally caught up to the suspect, John Robert Williams. Even though it was nine years ago, it's an everyday process that I have to fight every morning. so I can go on with my day. Authorities believe Williams could be responsible for as many as 14 murders in at least six different states, creating a prosecution nightmare. We can't go on another year, you know, waiting and hoping we want something done. Harjo says justice for Casey Jo Pipestem has been put off and delayed by Texas prosecutors time and again. Her case started getting pushed to the side.
28:03Harjo suspects large caseloads, but has never been given a sensible reason for the delay. She hopes speaking out now will remind people that this man is still waiting to be judged, and many families are still looking for closure. Like I said, as far as I could find, they never got that day in court. They were never able to look Williams in the face to give a victim impact statement. And while Williams has confessed to killing many women, investigators haven't been able to verify those confessions to bring any further charges. He's also never confessed to or officially been linked to the murder of April Dawn Lacey, or any of the other women investigators believe may be linked to her case.
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28:49So what happened to 14-year-old April Dawn Lacey? Well, outside of her mother and John Robert Williams, it doesn't seem that investigators have many other leads. I also fear that they won't be able to narrow down that timeline correctly if her mother isn't telling the truth about when she actually went missing. The motel April was last seen at, if Jacqueline is telling the truth, is right off the freeway, and if April was being trafficked as many people reported to police, almost anyone could have taken her. The possibilities are endless in a very terrifying way. April also really almost has every statistic against her.
29:32She grew up in poverty, lived in a high-risk area, was often put in high-risk situations while breaking the law, and was likely being trafficked by her own mother. According to reporting by George Knapp for 8 News Now, new data from this year, 2025, indicates that there could be hundreds of truck driver serial killers in the U.S. that are still at large. And April is exactly the type of child who often doesn't get looked for when reported missing. She was reported as a runaway previously. She didn't attend school, so there was no one pushing for authorities there to search for her. She was living below the poverty line, which countless studies have linked to less police resources.
30:16In short, April was exactly the type of child that these predators look for. It's heartbreaking. It's possible April did run again and was met with foul play. Maybe she went to one of the many truck stops off the freeway and someone preyed upon her. Or maybe her mother set up the whole thing. I think we could theorize all day, but I want to share with you what David Walker says believed happened. It's not much in terms of answers, but I think it's important to include. He told Larry Bingham for the Columbian that her killer may have been driving along the I-35 looking for somewhere to dispose of April's body when he found a dirt road, parked by the metal gate on the property, which was unlocked by the rancher so his friends could come and go as they pleased to hunt doves.
31:06Then they snuck around to the back of the brush pile where April was found later. He also says that if it happened at night, there were likely zero witnesses, as the nearest house was a mile away. Like I said, it's not much, but there is so little reporting on April's case that I'm truly trying to give you guys any and everything, which actually brings me right to our call to action. Please share April's case. There's not a child who walks this earth that is a throwaway kid. Not a child on this earth who deserves the fate that April suffered, and not a child who doesn't deserve to have the world screaming about their unsolved murder.
31:49I think it's devastatingly clear that April didn't have a lot of people looking out for her while she was alive, but there are hundreds of thousands of people who listen to this podcast. We have seen how media pressure moves mountains. If you felt anything for April throughout this episode, if you care about the thousands of children who are without a doubt in a similar situation right this moment. Please share April's case so that law enforcement and predators who look for children like this know that there are people out there who will kick and scream until their cases are solved.
32:31As a reminder, April Dawn Lacey was 14 years old when she was found deceased on October 8, 1996 in Wise County, Texas. She was white, about 5 '4", and weighed approximately 110 pounds. Anyone with information is asked to call the Wise County Sheriff's Office at 940-627-5971. But as always, thank you, I love you, and I'll talk to you next time.
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33:32Thank you.
34:12Welcome to the Secret After Show. The studio door is open and our emotional support puppies, Popcorn and Heber, are in the room. Popcorn is literally on my lap right now as my leg is falling asleep. I do have a personal announcement. If you guys didn't see it on social media, it's a big one. I have so many reasons to be emotional this after show, this whole episode and this, but I'm going to try not to cry. The, undoubtedly, the biggest media opportunity for Alyssa is happening. She is going to be featured in a Netflix documentary. I don't even know how to say it. They're making a documentary about Alyssa, not just featured.
35:03It's insane. It's being done by Cinemart, who did the recent Gabby Petito documentary. They come highly recommended from Gabby's family. And yeah, it's big. It's big. And there are limits on what I can say. I am being interviewed for the project. And I just, I keep saying to people that between these last few projects about Alyssa, you know, a book, I'm doing a book, the last so hard to say last the new season about Alyssa where I talk about court and now probably the Netflix documentary and that entire experience this, the search for Alyssa in early 2026 I don't know what else I can do for her I really don't and it's really hard to talk about this kind of ending in a way.
36:11And like, it's never going to end. I am going to be the police contact for my family for Alyssa's case until the day I perish or she is found.
36:23But at a certain point, like I said, I don't know what else to do. I will always tell Alyssa's story to anyone who is willing to listen. I will always share Alyssa's story in hopes of generating leads until we bring her home. But at this point, you guys, this feels big. It feels like the biggest thing that has ever happened in her case, media-wise, and possibly will ever happen. It's a lot, so bear with me. Going through this process, which is happening right now with Netflix, is a lot. It was a lot the first time with the other documentary, but it's all for a good cause. that was very rambly as I tend to do but something scripted here just didn't feel right so the announcement is there is a Netflix documentary coming out I do not have a date that is like the number one question I've been getting I don't have a date you guys I'm suspecting later next year but that is happening and I just want to thank you guys again because without you, there would not be that interest.
37:31There just wouldn't be. It's a numbers game. They want to pick up cases that are compelling, cases that they know people will tune into, and you guys have proven to be such an amazing, dedicated audience for Alyssa, and I have no doubt that you guys played a huge hand in making this happen. So thank you for that, and thank you for everything. now let's talk about april's case which i i thought i was pissed off last week you guys um i just can't let's just go through my list first children reported as potentially running away and not searching for them i will always bring this up until the system is fixed i don't know what the perfect solution is, but what does it take to get the police to look for a child who is reported as a runaway?
38:26I've even talked to journalists about this, right? Like, what do you do when stats say that most of these kids come back, but there's still this 1 % or whatever that does not come back? How do we serve that population? Because I will keep saying it, if we have the resources to send officers out to arrest people shoplifting from, you know, food from the Dollar Tree, right? If we have resources to send officers out for neighbor disputes and rowdy kids, why can't they circle a few blocks for these missing children who are reported as runaways? I just had to say it.
39:08Next, this is kind of split into two. I have the Florida Project on here, which is a movie. It is one of my favorite movies because I feel like it is so real. I love movies that are realistic, that show, you know, a different side to life that not everyone is seeing in a very realistic way. If you guys don't know, that is a movie that follows basically a mother and her young child who are living in a motel. You know, hard times. There's a lot, you know, it's a complicated movie. It's also really popular with kids right now, specifically teenagers. So if you have teens, they probably watch this movie.
39:48But I do encourage you, if you guys want to get just the smallest peek into what these lives of these children look like, watch The Florida Project. I will say, you know, it's showing the more dysfunctional side, of course. Like I said at the top of this episode, I fully believe that there are children living in these situations with very loving parents who just can't make it work economically, or maybe, you know, they just can't get approved for a rental type of situation due to credit, due to, you know, work history, whatever. It happens. So I just wanted to highlight that movie if you're interested.
40:26I also have this thing written out because, ooh, those quotes, and I think the quotes about April were coming from a good place, but I just wanted to put this message out there in case there's anyone listening, any, I don't know why kids would be listening, you know, please stay away from true crime. I implore you, you know, you have your whole life to worry about that. But if there are children listening in that situation, there are people, I guess, listening in that situation. If you're out there and you feel like someone might say to you that you have slim chances of succeeding in life, I want you to know that you do have a better chance for a chance for a better life.
41:08That you are more than the circumstances you were born into or placed into by your parents or guardians. I just wanted to make that extremely clear.
41:22Now, media discrepancies. There weren't many. This is actually, I left this blank because there were so few. I ripped and tore every detail out of every news article I could, and there weren't really that many media discrepancies. I mean, almost none, to be honest. I think that's why I didn't list any here. I just remember some slight conflicting details about, you know, how she was found, where she was found, that type of thing, just like the smallest details. But in general, between Oklahoma and Texas, I think they did a pretty good job reporting on this case. And I mean, my gosh, we haven't even gotten to the heroes of the episode, but thank you to the reporters who did cover this case.
42:09Because like I said, not many people are, and I think we know why. April is not a child, not the type of child, I should say, that typically gets media exposure. and you guys please don't blame me I'm not trying to make it about me or always about Alyssa but it just feels so similar to Alyssa a young beautiful girl goes missing and there's no media there's just no media you know maybe she ran away she was last seen you know flipping her mom off and pissed off like it just I'm just sick of it I'm sick of reporting on these cases and like I said, please share, please share. You know, above all, let's tell these fucking sick predators, sorry for cursing, I know that people don't like it, but let's tell these sick predators that those types of kids that they target will be looked for, that obnoxious people like me are going to yell into a microphone about it and tell as many people as possible.
43:15I just, I think, and I hate to say it, I think we almost have a better chance trying to scare away the predators than get the police to care more. And of course, I always put the caveat, it's not all police. I think, you know, getting a good detective is like playing the lottery. Sometimes you do, sometimes you don't. But again, I just think the better strategy is for predators to know that no matter what kid they pick up, no matter what person they pick up. I don't care if they're a sex worker. I don't care if they're struggling with addiction. I don't care what it is. I want them to know that people are going to talk about it.
44:00I don't know. We talk a lot about predators and what makes them tick, but I like to talk about prevention, and I do think that that's one way to hopefully make the smallest impact. on to our heroes of the episode again we have multiple first is wise county sheriff's captain david walker i mean he was the driving force behind identifying april and when i was reading those articles you know him you know entering this information into the ncic and getting a thousand names. I mean, my goodness. And then him going and opening up a case or a file in every single state for her. You know, he was having a secretary's call and try to identify her.
44:49Just absolutely amazing. So much dedication. And that's why he has to be one of our heroes. Next, obviously, is Ashley and her mom, Kathy. You know, not only for being so loving and wonderful to April, right? I mean, that sense of family that she had with them, I have to imagine giving, you know, what we know about her life has to be, you know, one of the biggest highlights, unfortunately, but also fortunately, if that makes sense. Also, because they really are where we get so much information about April's life. I mean, my goodness, if they didn't do those interviews, we would know so much less about her.
45:34Between them and David Walker, I don't know that any of those articles would really exist because they wouldn't have half the information, half the statements that I brought you guys. They really do seem to be, you know, some of the biggest driving forces behind getting that media coverage. So that is why they make our heroes of the episode. And I do have an honorable mention. I wanted to say that whoever called America's Most Wanted and gave information about Walker, props to you, props to you. It's not easy to turn in your own family. There's often a lot of pressure, I will say, to stay quiet, to not do those things.
46:22but that person, that brave individual, whoever it was, props to you for standing up and doing the right thing, even though, you know, I hope this isn't the case, but even though it possibly could have brought you a lot of grief. Now let's go on to our segment of hope, and we have another segment of hope slash update this week. This is in the case of Jennifer Kessie, who went missing from Orlando, Florida in 2006. I did cover her case back in episode 29 in 2021. Gosh, forever ago now. But there has been an update. I am reading from an article from ABC 7 News from Thad Rendanzo and Karen Kim. The title reads, Jennifer Kessie Case Update, Interview, DNA Evidence, Documentary in the Works.
47:13It says, Father says investigators have narrowed persons of interest to just a few people as 20th anniversary approaches. So essentially in this article it talks about how her father, who is extremely dedicated, I'm always getting updates on the GoFundMe, he's like always in there updating it, but essentially that they've made significant progress in the case and they, like it said, narrowed the list down to just a few people. But I think what's really been making headlines is the DNA. The article reads, Drew Kessie spoke about new developments in his daughter's case, including DNA evidence that had never been tested, and the use of AI.
47:54Drew Kessie said investigators told family Jennifer's case is no longer considered cold. All DNA evidence in the case has been sent back for re-examination using newer technology. Drew Kessie said DNA testing has expanded from 19 markers to 26 markers since the original investigation. And he adds here that they also found a couple pieces of DNA that had not been tested at all. I think it's also important to note here that the family was recently contacted about false social media posts claiming a construction worker had been tracked down by DNA and would be extradited. Drew Kessie called those claims completely and utterly untrue statements.
48:37Investigators are now working with an artificial intelligence company to analyze the case files. Drew Kessie said that he had been asking investigators to use or to try to use AI technology for two years. The technology is being used to analyze all available information about Jennifer's disappearance. This includes the grainy surveillance footage. They captured an unidentified person parking Jennifer's car. The article goes on to say three production companies approached the Kessie family about creating a documentary. They selected one group and are currently in production. Drew Kessie said, to be upfront and honest, I want Netflix.
49:14I think it's just the biggest audience. Now, I don't see the production company in this article. I'm sure it's out there somewhere. And it looks like it's coming out pretty soon. The documentary is targeting a January air date to coincide with the 20th anniversary of Jennifer's disappearance. Drew Kessie hopes the increased attention will generate new leads. It also talks about the emotional toll that the case has taken on his family over two decades. You guys, it's so sad. They're both 68, Drew and his wife Joyce. They've had health issues, two bouts of cancer. Drew says he hasn't slept a full night in 20 years and typically gets about four hours of sleep.
49:59The family has dealt with death threats and extortion attempts over the years. Drew says, quote, It's in my DNA that I'm going to find my daughter, period, before I die. End quote. So this makes our segment of hope for obvious reasons. There appears to be some good movement in Jennifer's case. Obviously, like it said, it's not cold anymore. They're actively working it. This documentary is coming out. And like Drew said in the article, you know, let's just hope it comes down to generating some new leads in the case. but as always, thank you, I love you, and I'll talk to you next time.
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This week, we delve into the tragic and complex story of 14-year-old April Dawn Lacy, a victim whose identity remained a mystery for over two years. Found discarded on a pile of brush and scrap lumber in a Wise County cow pasture in 1996, she was initially known only as "Brush Girl".
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