Ariana Ptarcinski

24:12There were two knives in the room that were not collected, as well as the boyfriend's wallet. Now, the HCSO media relations manager, Denise Maloney, said, We feel certain that the scene was processed very thoroughly. We very thoroughly collected evidence and passed it on to the state attorney's office for a filing decision. I mean, apparently not, right? Why aren't we taking the knives from the scene where somebody's throat was cut? That seems like basic detective work 101. It seems like all they have to do is say, we did a great job. And then we're all supposed to go, oh, yeah, you must have without looking at any of the evidence to the contrary.

24:48So according to the Hernando Sun, forensic specialists collect evidence, package it and send it to the state attorney's office. It's the SAO's job to decide if charges should be filed. And according to a Facebook post published by the HCSO, this was on August 14th, 2023, Ed Tarsinski was driving. and rapidly approaching a deputy's patrol car, the deputy said he had to swerve to avoid being struck by Ed. There's another article that said Ed swerved to avoid hitting the patrol car. Now, the Hernando Sun got the video footage from the dash cam inside the patrol vehicle, and according to their own analysis, they said that footage depicts the pursuit in which Tarsinski passes a vehicle to get through the automatic gate to his development.

25:30After Tarsinski parks in the driveway of his house, he exits the sedan, and deputies shout, Hands up. What the F? Hands up. They had guns drawn while approaching him to make the arrest. Officials said Ed got out of his car in an aggressive manner. Sources also said Ed was irate and asked, why won't you arrest my daughter's murderer? Deputies searched the car and found a brown canvas backpack. Ed says in the video, officer, that's not my bag. I just dropped the guy off. I'm not a bad dude, man. Inside, deputies found over 14.9 grams of meth in the back seat and meth pipes in a small bag. Now there's a dash cam, obviously it recorded audio between Ed and Judy, who was also present in that conversation.

26:14Ed denied almost hitting the patrol vehicle and Judy asked Ed what the drugs were doing in the car if he was holding them for someone else. She repeated the question and he said, yeah, by luck, you know, she told him he needed to say who the drugs belong to. And he replied, doesn't matter who. So they perform a field sobriety test and they determine Ed is sober. So he is charged with trafficking in methamphetamine, fleeing or attempting to elude resisting arrest without violence and possession of paraphernalia. I mean, you know, I get it. It's obviously not a great situation for him to be in, but also any good professional wouldn't let that impact Ariana's case.

26:51Like if I go get arrested for, you know, let's say trafficking meth, right? Does that impact my sister's case? I don't think so. Well, and I get where he says it doesn't matter who, because at this point, you know, they've got him with something that he's not supposed to have. It doesn't matter. I mean, if he says a name, it doesn't help his situation at all. And obviously there's some dispute over how this all went down. Now, Judy believes it was not a coincidence. She thinks they're being retaliated against for criticizing the sheriff's office. The arrest sparked controversy on the HCSO Facebook page.

27:25Some alleged that the HCSO targeted Ed because he spoke out against the agency. Others alleged that the patrol deputies recognized Ed and planted the drugs in his car. Of course, the HCSO responded, rest assured, we do not plant evidence. We are confident all the evidence in this case is indisputable. So this is unfortunately a side story to this case. Something happened with Ed. There's a bag in his car and now he's being charged. It's August 16th, 2023 when the state attorney's office for Florida's 5th Judicial District officially decided not to file criminal charges. Now, there is a letter to Ariana's family that's sent by assistant state attorney Peter F.

28:05Magrino. He informed the family that after a review, formal criminal charges would not be filed. He said, this filing decision is not based on the lack of quality of the investigation of any lack of investigative effort by the Hernando County Sheriff's Office, the decision is a legal one dealing with criminal intent and the lack of evidence thereof with regard to your daughter's death. Right. So they weren't able to prove it. Yeah. According to the letter, there was no probable cause to believe a crime was committed by Ramon Durst. So although the medical examiner listed Ariana's death as a homicide, Florida courts have historically held that acts of negligence cannot be made criminal regardless of the loss of human life without mens rea.

28:45Now, I'm sure most of the audience knows what mens rea is essentially, but it's the intention or knowledge of wrongdoing that constitutes part of a crime. In this case, they're simply saying, sure, Ramon might have done something to Ariana, but we don't know if it was intentional or an accident. We don't know the full circumstances, so we can't say that this is an intentional homicide. How do you accidentally get so many defensive wounds? Did he commit this accident several times? That makes no sense to me. Yeah, I struggle with that too. I tried putting it together and it does not work for me.

29:20I understand what they're trying to say. It just doesn't fit this case. And I also find it interesting that when Eddie gets in trouble with these drugs, that they immediately go to his daughter's case. It's like this family and their daughter's case, Ariana's murder, is at the forefront of this sheriff's office mind. And there's no getting around it. there's something about this case that they just don't want to deal with. And it looks like they want to put everything behind him, even Eddie being caught with drugs. Yeah. I mean, going to the media makes a police department look bad. There's no way of getting around that, especially if you go and say, here's the clear evidence.

29:58We are not getting any type of response from the detectives. What's going on? That's a really hard thing for the public to argue, right? So it just ends up making the police department look bad. And some bad cops really take that as an opportunity to perhaps retaliate or make somebody's life a little bit harder just because they feel that that family or that person did the same thing to them. I mean, you know, I'm just guessing this is just my theory at this point, but it does seem like retaliation to me. Yeah. Whenever we hear stories from several different sources, we try to put it together.

30:31What does our gut tell us? And I think as we continue on with this letter, it'll show a little more, but in the letter, it also says, to date, Mr. Durst, through his lawyer, has exercised his constitutional right not to provide a statement concerning the incident. Thus, there is insufficient evidence to sustain any criminal charges as it relates to the death in this manner. It's basically like, well, he didn't come out and admit he did it. So it's a he said, she didn't say situation where they feel like they don't have enough to move here, which is quite surprising. Yeah, I mean, certainly we could just use science and the evidence to prove this case without a confession.

31:10So the frustration just is getting worse for Ed and Judy and the whole family. He sent a text to the Hernando Sun. They've covered this case extensively. And in the text, he said, it's all corrupt. Every day is a battle for my family and myself just to get through the day. And I can definitely say that I've heard him say that to me as well. There's a lot of frustration. And, you know, we've talked about this and he tells me, even if everything goes right from here on out and they get the guy and everything, he goes, it's not going to bring closure. But what it is going to bring is a sense of justice that my daughter's life mattered.

31:41That's what they want. You know, they want to feel like her life mattered. And when you have no investigation continuing, sounds like they just want to put it behind them. It hurts. Now, there is a response to the letter from Sheriff L. Neenhouse, who called Ariana's death a heart wrenching incident. Everyone, of course, wants justice if the event was a criminal act. If the event was a criminal act. And he added that in any case, law enforcement must try their best to get to the bottom of what actually happened. Putting emotions and outside pressures aside, handling it any other way, however, is not an option.

32:16So he said if prosecutors were to take a case to trial with insufficient evidence because of outside pressure, for example, meaning the family, it will be even more frustrating for everyone because when a case is brought to trial with insufficient evidence or the defense can present a plausible alternative, the jury will have no choice but to find the defendant not guilty. This is why prosecutors never want to take a case to trial with what they deem to be insufficient evidence or when there is a plausible alternative that can be presented by the defense. Now, right there, Sarah, he's saying that they have a plausible alternative.

32:49That is that somehow this was an accident or maybe, you know, let's just go out a bit here. Maybe Ariana did it to herself. So they're basically saying like, you can't prove what this actually was. Yeah, that caught my attention too. I don't see what reality they're living in, to be quite frank with you. This doesn't make any sense to be an accident. And you know me, like I'm not one to insert my opinion into most cases, but I think this is pretty clear cut here. What I can't figure out is the motive behind the police to be this. I mean, honestly, cruel. Yeah, I think it's clear that they decided early on that they weren't very interested.

33:27You know, some would say that when they went into Ariana's room and they saw the kind of artwork she did, which would probably fit in well with people who love the show Wednesday. We'll put it that way. And that's kind of artwork I like to myself. But to some sheriff's deputies, they might just walk in and go, oh, she's morbid. Maybe she wanted this. And that's the sad thing is people judging others based on just their own experiences and not being open-minded to other perspectives. Yeah, I could totally see that, unfortunately. And I hate it because I feel like I knew girls just like Ariana who were, you know, maybe a little bit emo, if you will.

34:02They wanted to be a mortician, but they were usually like the sweetest humans. So I can totally see that. And I just hate that for this case. Magrino's letter also said, Should the sheriff's office or any other person provide this office with additional and or new information, I will review the matter again. But at this time, there is insufficient evidence to proceed further in criminal court. It's case closed. Yeah, that's insane. I disagree. Perhaps the two knives they left at the scene could be the new evidence they could review, right? Had they not left them there. It just is incredibly frustrating for you and I, I know.

34:36But also, I mean, my goodness, I can't even imagine what her family's going through. Yeah, it's said that Ed and Judy were devastated. I mean, obviously, they're frustrated with the sheriff's department. Their next step was they rented a billboard on US-19 to raise awareness of their daughter's case. This is something a lot of people opt for. I've seen it many times. Actually, you know, the podcast, The Fall Line, they've helped families get billboards put up because that's, you know, you're driving along, you see this billboard, it gives you a name. It gives you a little bit of a story. And then maybe you go and look it up.

35:09Maybe you make a donation. Maybe you tell other people. Maybe you know someone who could help. And so you contact them. And so it's a brilliant idea. And so if you're listening and you have a case that's not getting the attention it deserves, look into getting a billboard because there are people that care out there. And they will respond once they find out about it. Now, the family, they eventually receive a 373-page report from the state attorney's office. and this was reviewed by local Tampa Bay 28. According to the report, also reviewed by former police officer and professor Dr. David Thomas, Ramon was not read his Miranda rights and was not actually questioned about what happened.

35:47The report also said that texts between Ariana Ramon showed an up and down relationship with arguing and fighting, including on Christmas Eve. Now, Tampa Bay 28's team obtained an hour-long video of Ramon in the back of a patrol car awaiting transport to the sheriff's office. That's the one I referenced a couple times earlier. In that video, Ramon said, my life's over right now. And of course, the deputy asked, what do you mean? And he responded, you know what I mean. You see the situation. You see what I'm covered in. And of course, he's covered in blood. He said, look at me. I deserve everything.

36:22The hatred of the world brought down upon me. I am so sorry for what I did. And that's exactly what I'm referencing when and say he confessed. Is that not a confession or at least doesn't it sound like one? Like that is 100 % a confession. Are you kidding me? Like break it down. Look at me. I deserve everything. The hatred of the world brought down upon me. I'm so sorry for what I did. That's a confession. Even if you want to play the this was an accident game, where's the manslaughter charge? I'm so sorry for what I did. So what did you do? Yeah, so much for fighting crime. Exactly. According to our news, Ramon also stated to a deputy inside the patrol car, what's the crime rate in the area and how many federal prisons in Florida?

37:04At one point, he told the deputy he was worried he was going to get assaulted in prison. And hours later at the station, a detective told Ramon he wasn't going to be charged. Not at that time anyway. So I think you have a guy that was ready to talk. I've seen so many cases where police, the detectives will really pressure a suspect and get them talking, sometimes with a really deft hand, you know, and other times it's kind of rough, but they get him talking and it seemed like this guy was ready to talk. But, you know, at some point he's being let go and he's being told there are no charges at this time.

37:38That's where you lose someone because he was talking regularly in this video and in the patrol car and no one took advantage of that. No one asked him any real questions. Do you think maybe they realized that he wasn't read his Miranda rights and that's why they kind of, oop, and just let him go. Maybe later, yeah. I think that might be possible. But the right detective would have said, I'm going to read you your Miranda rights. I'm going to ask you some questions. That didn't happen. And I think eventually either they realized that mistake or even more likely they just were like, eh, nothing to see here.

38:10I'm just trying to figure out why, right? Because it seems so clear cut. And to your point, he was so ready to talk. I mean, my goodness, he was basically offering so much up without even being asked questions. Had you had somebody in there with experience and the will to solve this case, I feel like they could have gotten a very detailed confession that night. Yeah. I mean, talking to Eddie, he made it sound like this should have been the easiest case for them ever. I mean, this kid was already talking. He was covered in his daughter's blood. I mean, on and on and on. And they just were like, and Ed Tarsinski told Tampa Bay 28, the police officers were saying that it was self-inflicted.

38:46So now it goes from, well, we don't really know how this went down to your daughter did this to herself. Yeah, in the back of the head. It just drives me insane. It doesn't make any sense. Well, inside Ariana's room, deputies found a notebook and it contained a drawing from the prior year, maybe 15 months before. And it showed a female with her throat cut and blood coming out of her mouth and neck area. Now, of course, Ariana is an artist. Her family would tell you this. She enjoyed horror movies and often drew graphic images, but she was not suicidal. And this is something that's maybe hard for people to grasp who don't get into horror films or horror books.

39:26If you went into my library, you would see most of my books are horror novels, but it's all about art. It's not actually like, oh, I'm telling you what I want to do to myself. And I think people have a hard time grasping that. Yeah. I mean, I think we have to weigh her life circumstances above a drawing she made 15 months prior to her death, right? Again, this was a young woman who was making plans for the future and executing on those plans. So this drawing doesn't really mean much to me. Yeah. And I think a lot of it comes down to when people are looking for evidence, sometimes they're looking for an excuse to get out.

39:59And that's what this feels like. Oh, do you see this? Now we're not going to look into it anymore. Now, according to the police report, detectives received a letter, calls, and multiple emails from Ramon's attorney saying he would not agree to make a statement. So they're shut down. They're not going to say anything. And as noted, Ed and Judy were going public. They were trying to get answers. They were trying to get people involved. And they faced pushback from investigators and prosecutors. This episode of Voices for Justice is sponsored by HERS. If you've been waiting for the right time to tackle your weight loss goals, this is it.

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41:38Now, out of the 373-page report, 173 pages consist of social media posts, emails sent by Ed, and copies of news accounts of the investigation. So according to Ed, if anybody said anything bad about the department, they just circled it and that was it. That's pretty much what their investigation is. Now, our news also reviewed the report and noted that prefacing every investigator and responding deputy's report is the following statement. Synopsis. For an unknown reason, Ramon Calderon Durst, slit Ariana Tersinski's throat while in Ariana's bedroom, and then took her into Edward and Judy Tersinski's master bedroom by her hair and stated to Edward and Judy, I did this.

42:19At this time, the investigation is ongoing. This is insane. The fact that you end that with this investigation is ongoing blows my mind. I don't know how to put my frustration into words for this family because how much more clear can it be? And why is this department just completely failing Ariana? Yeah, we're going to get into it very soon about how this typically goes. But yeah, you wonder, is this just amateur hour or do these people not care? I did ask Eddie, was there any prior contact with law enforcement before Ariana was attacked to maybe tell the officers like, don't deal with this family, maybe like, did they have it out for you?

42:58And he said, no. He said prior to what happened to Ariana, he was a big supporter of law enforcement. He trusted them. That's what they're there for. They're to help bring justice and to go for the bad guys and this and that. And he's like, this has shown them law enforcement a whole new light, you know, and I'm sure there's law enforcement listening right now and saying, I would have handled that way different. And thank you for thinking that because we need law enforcement to do their jobs. Unfortunately, it just takes one bad day and And the whole thing can be upended. You know, trust is earned.

43:31We don't just give it to you. And unfortunately, the public holds fast food restaurants, law enforcement. Everybody is held to a standard. And when you drop the ball, you get some time to make it up. And if you don't, you know, you've changed our perception of you. I mean, it's terrifying, too, when you're in your town and you think that you're safe and you trust the police. And then all of a sudden, they're making you out to be the bad guy. It's absolutely terrifying. And we know there are numerous cases where murder suspects are arrested and even prosecuted without a confession or a body. You use circumstantial evidence.

44:03You know, this is why the family is so confused by the prosecutor's refusal to charge Ramon Durst. And they suspect that investigators believe Ariana killed herself. But this is not mentioned in the report. In fact, there's no evidence to support that. And even in the report, it mentions that Ariana was attacked by Ramon. So it really makes you wonder with all of that said and with the medical examiner's evidence, why isn't there any movement on this case? Because you and I talked about this before we recorded and we talked about how sometimes you don't do the right thing. You know, maybe they had all the amateur deputies there and they didn't quite know what to do.

44:41They didn't know what to say or what to ask or how to handle the family or the suspect. We can understand all that. You know, we have bad days too, but you have the following day or the following week to do something. You know, how much would the Tarsinski family feel seen if the following week, the HCSO just came out and said, apologies, we're working on this. Don't give up on us. We've got all our attention on this. We're going to work on it. That did not happen. And so again, it's, you can't get away with something by denying it because the public will see everything. The family will see everything.

45:17And now you have people that help pay your salaries who are upset with you and they're going public with it. And now they're going on podcasts with it and they've got billboards about it. And now you can keep denying it, but everyone's gonna see you for what you are. And I would urge the department, like it's never too late. Take time now and do the right thing. Sure, you might feel like, well, we kind of lost the case. We let it get away from us because we let the guy go. That's on you, but you have to at least try. And if you don't try, You're sending the message that Ariana didn't matter. That's what the family hears.

45:49That's what we hear. And that people can get away with murder in your area, right? And I think there's an easy way for law enforcement to kind of get out of this as much as I want them to be held accountable for everything that they've done in this case, right? If I were a member of that department right now with authority, I would get a fresh set of eyes to take a look at this case, right? And then go, oh my goodness, we've decided that we can press charges. I think that's a pretty easy way to escape, I think, the accountability that they're afraid of right now. Oh, I agree 100 % with everything you just said.

46:20I mean, they could bring in another department. There's so many ways to do this where they can literally say, there might have been a mistake here, but now we're correcting it. And without that, again, we're just going to be looking and saying, wow, you're doubling down on this, really, with all of this evidence? So the sheriff's office reopened the case in 2024. And the reason they say it happened was because this way, no further statements or evidence could be released to the public. Because it was really closed. Now we can release information. But if it's an ongoing investigation, now we don't have to tell you anything.

46:54And many are believing this is a political decision by the sheriff, Neenhouse, as he was preparing for the 2024 election, which he won. Ed and Judy told Our News in January 2025 that since their daughter's death, Neenhouse never contacted them to share condolences or offer any assistance. He used to show up at homicide investigations to talk to the media, but he avoided Ariana's case. So, you know, with them reopening the case, the family asked officials, like, what's going on with this? Does this mean something's going to happen? Is there any new evidence that they're looking for? They were told that if Ramon talked to someone about the case, he could be charged.

47:31They're waiting for a confession, which is insane. We can't just sit around and wait for people to confess in crimes. We have to actually investigate and bring forth charges. I mean, if you listen to them, they make it sound like Ramon has to go to the sheriff's office and just put his hands up and say, I'm presenting myself as the murderer in the Arianna Tarcinski case. I mean, at this point, right, with the confession that they already have, I mean, I just don't know. I do not understand why this department is doing what they're doing other than just covering up, you know, their behavior at this point.

48:04Now, May 30th, 2025, Detective Chris Kraft won the 2025 First Responder of the Year Award. And this is a detective who had been under fire for allegedly botching investigations. He was the one who ultimately made the decision not to charge Ramon Durst. So we might go, oh, well, you're saying he's under fire for this, but give us an example. Okay, our news reported that in 2023, a woman contacted the HCSO to report that her son was sexually abused by his grandfather. Now, Kraft was assigned to the case, but ignored her for almost two years. This is according to the mom. During that time, the suspect harassed and stalked the victims until a new detective was assigned.

48:47The suspect was arrested a few months later after that and sentenced to 25 years in prison. I mean, it seems like you can just get away with anything in Florida at this point. Yeah. Well, and Kraft had an option there to do something about that case and he didn't. He chose not to. And it's funny, like he gets switched out for another detective and all of a sudden they arrest the grandfather. If you're stalking and harassing people, that can be documented. This should not be a difficult investigation. You know, everyone's always saying, where's the evidence? Well, if you have it, let's run with it.

49:19And this guy's basically saying, eh. and I don't know that we can even analyze why he chose not to move on that case, but I have found that law enforcement has difficulty with sexual abuse cases. I mean, we've seen it with even the universities. And so I think about that and I think, oh, are they just uncomfortable with that? And so they don't want to deal with it because you'd think, hey, we're tough on crime. We have all this evidence, we should move on it. I mean, heck, in a lot of these cases, these people aren't even intimidating. I mean, you have a grandfather or a very small gymnastics doctor, you know, whatever it is, these people are not intimidating.

49:53You're law enforcement. You have a gun. You have training, you know, and you're not willing to move on a case like that. So, of course, Ed said the award was a slap in the face. And this case is gaining some publicity because even Nancy Grace called for a federal investigation into Ariana's murder in an episode of Crime Stories. So, we know it's gaining a little momentum, but there just needs to be more eyes and ears on this. And just put yourself in the Tarcinski's family's shoes. It's like their daughter was murdered. The medical examiner said so. They've now gotten a blood expert who detailed exactly why they know that she didn't do it to herself because her injuries and stuff happened while she was lying down.

50:37So if she had been doing this to herself, there would be blood on the walls. But she was attacked while lying down by her boyfriend. It's very clear. And so all we're asking is for justice for the family. And yeah, it's always a risk. If you take someone to court, they might be found not guilty. We all know the story of OJ Simpson, but sometimes extenuating circumstances can bear on those. And in here, I don't see anything. This is literally an unknown kid, well, then kid from New Jersey who was living in Florida with his grandmother who attacked his girlfriend. It's really simple. This isn't like he's connected.

51:12So what's the holdup? And if this was your family, what would you do? I mean, I think this family is doing everything right going to the media. It seems like their best play at this point. And I do think that getting federal agents on this is going to be what solves it because there's something going on in Florida where they just don't have the will or want to solve this case and bring this family some closure and answers. Yeah, it's too bad. I definitely feel like there are detectives in Florida that could work this case and solve it yesterday. They're just not on this case. And like you, I don't know what's stopping them from doing anything, but it's definitely going to take some pressure and maybe federal pressure or from the public that can cause people to change their minds and say, you know what?

51:54I know we've kind of held off on this. We tried pushing it away, but we're going to have to deal with it. And so if you could please support this family, they could use it. Sarah, what do you typically tell people in situations like this that have gone to the public? You know, they're working to try and get something done about it, something done to bring justice to their family. What do you typically tell people listening who are feeling sympathy and want to do something? Yeah, I mean, like you said, support the family, right? And I think the easiest thing to do is share this case, share this episode, share a news article, share whatever you feel like sharing, because we know that media pressure does move mountains, especially in my opinion, in departments like this, where it seems like they're very concerned about what they look like.

52:38They're very concerned about the outward appearance of their department. So let's put some pressure out there and ask, why aren't they doing anything? I think, and I hate that we have to play this game in these crimes, right? Because they should just make this arrest and make it happen so that the family doesn't have to go through that. So if you're listening right now and you want to help, the easiest thing to do is share the case. The next thing is, you know, maybe get a little more involved, see what else you can do and whatever other public pressure you can apply to this police department.

53:09Yeah, I don't think they have anything happening right now, but I know some families that are in their Tarsinski situation, sometimes they are raising money to get attorneys. Maybe they bring a civil case or something. There's always another step that they can follow. It's just, I know from speaking with Eddie, I haven't spoken with Judy myself, but I've spoken with Eddie a few times. It's very difficult. They are never going to stop fighting for their daughter, but every day is different. And some days it's hard to get out of bed. So I think what you said about having sympathy for them, you know, maybe there's a page you can go visit and drop a comment.

53:41Maybe you can share the post. You can share an episode. Get more people aware of it because you never know. Someone might hear of it and have a connection and they can make something happen. Now, maybe someone even has a connection to the sheriff's office. Sometimes it just takes the right person. I've seen in other cases where the right person gets involved and all of a sudden someone who kept saying no year after year suddenly says, all right, and they help. You know, they finally do something. But I know that egos can get in the way. And unfortunately, a lot of people will hold on to their ego despite what the public sees.

54:12So again, bring that public pressure to bear, spread this story. We need everyone to know about Ariana Tarsinski, who she was. We need to get justice for her and her family. So reach out, spread the story. Absolutely. And, you know, get this, who I consider to be a murderer off the streets. I believe the medical examiner. It seems like we can have all kinds of cases that go right or wrong. The medical examiners are usually pretty good. And this is supported with evidence. I don't see how they haven't investigated him for a murder. Absolutely. Well, I'd like to thank you for joining me on this episode, Sarah.

54:48You, of course, have your own show, Voices for Justice. You have a whole story. We've covered your sister's story on our show. That's where we first got to know you a bit. And I'm just impressed with how much you're driven by justice, because that's important to me and seeing what you're doing and the changes you're helping to make. I think it's very important. Thank you. I mean, there are so many families out there just like this one waiting for justice. And that's why I do it. So thank you for, you know, educating me on this case and inviting me on. Lastly, if you would like to help out the family directly, you can go to Justice for Ariana on Facebook.

55:23So please give it a follow, like the stories and remind them there are people out there that care.

55:31Thank you.

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