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Podcast Episode Notes: Betsy Aardsma
Podcast Overview Podcast Title: Voices for Justice Host: Sarah Turney Description: A true crime podcast that sheds light on unsolved cases, encouraging listeners to become advocates for justice.
Episode Details Episode Title: Betsy Aardsma Episode Date: November 1969 Summary: The episode investigates the unexplained murder of Betsy Aardsma, a 22-year-old graduate student who died under mysterious circumstances in the Pattee Library at Penn State University. Despite numerous investigations over the decades, her case remains unsolved.
Key Points
Background Information
- Victim: Betsy Aardsma, a bright graduate student who was studying for her English 501 class.
- Setting: Penn State's Pattee Library, November 28, 1969, the day after Thanksgiving.
- Personal Life: Betsy had recently graduated from the University of Michigan and was pursuing her studies at Penn State. She chose to stay on campus instead of returning home for the holiday weekend.
Timeline of Events
- 4:00 PM: Betsy and her roommate, Sharon Brandt, head to the library to study.
- 4:10 PM: Betsy begins her session and visits Dr. Harrison Messerol for academic assistance.
- 4:30 PM - 5:00 PM: Students hear a commotion in the library; Betsy is later found collapsed between bookcases.
- Emergency Response: Betsy is initially thought to have had a medical emergency. Upon inspection, a stab wound is discovered.
- Outcome: Betsy is declared dead shortly after arrival at the student health center.
Investigation Overview
- Initial Response: Local police and the Pennsylvania State Police are involved, but the investigation faces challenges from a compromised crime scene.
- Autopsy Findings:
- Betsy had a single stab wound to her chest, which resulted in her death from blood pooling in her lungs.
- There were no signs of sexual assault, and no defensive wounds indicated she fought her attacker.
Theories and Suspects
- David Wright (Boyfriend): Initially a prime suspect due to his medical knowledge and relationship with Betsy, but he was cleared after multiple interviews and alibis.
- Serial Killers and Other Theories:
- The episode discusses various theories linking Betsy’s murder to known serial killers like Ted Bundy and John Norman Collins, though there is no concrete evidence connecting them to her case.
- Speculation also arises regarding a possible sexual encounter in the library, supported by the discovery of semen in the area.
- Richard Hafner: A PhD student with a history of troubling behavior and a known association with Betsy. He has been considered a suspect but lacks direct evidence linking him to the murder.
Impact and Call to Action
- Legacy of the Investigation: Betsy's case led to the establishment of the Penn State Police Department and highlighted the need for continued investigation into unsolved cases.
- Call for Information: The episode ends with a plea for anyone with information about Betsy's murder to come forward, emphasizing that even decades later, the case is solvable with new leads or evidence.
Conclusion
- Ongoing Mystery: Betsy Aardsma's murder remains unsolved, and her family has largely retreated from the public eye. The episode highlights the emotional toll such cases have on loved ones and the importance of community involvement in seeking justice.
Additional Resources
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- Pennsylvania State Police tip line: 1-888-292-1919
- Email: tips@pa.gov
- Podcast Website: [Voices for Justice Podcast](http://VoicesforJusticePodcast.com)
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Closing Thoughts This episode not only serves as a detailed recounting of Betsy's tragic story but also as a poignant reminder of the ongoing need for justice in unsolved cases. The call to action encourages listeners to be vigilant and proactive in sharing information that could lead to resolution.
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Transcript
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2:16Today, I'm discussing the case of Betsy Ardsma. On a quiet afternoon in November 1969, 22-year-old graduate student Betsy Ardsma was studying in the stacks of Penn State's Petit Library when she suddenly collapsed. Despite decades of investigation, her case remains one of Pennsylvania's most haunting unsolved mysteries. This is the case of Betsy Artsma. It's the day after Thanksgiving at the main campus of Penn State in 1969. The campus is far from empty, but as you can imagine, a good number of students have gone home to see their families for the holiday weekend, but not 22-year-old graduate student Betsy Ardsma.
3:00Instead of traveling the about 500 miles home to Holland, Michigan, she chose to stay close to campus to squeeze in a little more studying before the end of the semester. She'd spent Thanksgiving Day with her boyfriend David Wright in Hershey, Pennsylvania, and planned to go back home for Christmas break to see her family after classes ended. She'd just graduated at the top of her class from the University of Michigan in the spring, and she's determined to succeed at Penn State. So she chooses her studies over a weekend at her boyfriend's house or a trip home. And like I said, she's not alone.
3:33In fact, her roommate Sharon Brandt is on campus too. They both live in the dormitory in Atherton Hall, and at about 4 p.m. they decide to head to Petit Library to get some work done. They make a quick stop in Burroughs Hall to speak with Professor Nicholas Joukowsky. He was one of Betsy's English 501 instructors, along with a man named Dr. Harrison Messerol. According to reporting by Bob Corderoni for the Center Daily Times, as they're walking, as they arrive at the library, they just talk about what they want to do later that night. They talk about maybe seeing a movie. Easy Rider and Take the Money were both showing at different theaters around town.
4:12But they aren't exactly sure what they want to do, So they just decide that they'll meet back up at 7 for dinner and go from there. Sharon goes one way and Betsy goes another. By 4.10pm, Betsy found herself a desk to study at. She puts down her coat, scarf, and notebook. Then she decides to visit Dr. Harrison Messerol. His office was in the basement of the library. She's one of several students who saw him that day. According to Dr. Messerol, Betsy asks him a few questions about an assignment for his class. Like I said, it's English 501. Introduction to Research. They mostly discussed where she could find sources for her paper, and since this is 1969, she heads to the card catalog area.
4:53After this, she goes to a lower level of the library where they kept the English and history books. And as she's looking for her books, Betsy runs into Merrilee Erdely, another graduate student and classmate from her English 434 and 501 classes. They chat for a bit and go their separate ways. The exact timeline of what happens next is unclear. And as is a theme in this case, reporting does differ. But sometime between 4.30 and just before 5 p.m., students hear a commotion. They aren't exactly sure what it is. Some reporting just uses the word commotion, while other reporting says that students heard books falling on the ground.
5:34And in some cases, students reported hearing screams or gasps. Merrily Erdely hears something too. She gets up from her desk, walks around the corner, and sees two men, one of whom says, quote, somebody better help that girl, end quote. Then they lead her back to Betsy and vanish. In conflicting reporting, one man is seen, again says something to the effect of somebody better help that girl, and then runs away without leading anyone to Betsy. It's possible that this man was holding and hiding his right hand while doing so. But what we know for sure is that Betsy is found collapsed between a set of narrow bookcases.
6:16She's on her side, with one leg propped up on the shelves, and there are books everywhere. At this point, students and staff have no idea what happened to her. Elsa Lyle is working the library desk and calls the Rittenour Student Health Center for help. When two ambulance drivers arrive, they find a library employee giving Betsy mouth-to-mouth. They check for a pulse, and she's still alive. Her face is flushed, there's urine on the floor, and there's a small amount of blood on her white turtleneck blouse. So they assume that she had some type of seizure and likely bit her tongue. From here, she's brought to the student health center where she's seen by Dr.
6:55Elmer Reed. But he can't quite figure out what's wrong at first, so he decides to inspect her body. Like I said, Betsy's wearing a white turtleneck, but over that she's also wearing a sleeveless red dress. And as Dr. Reed begins to pull back the dress, he finds a single stab wound to her chest. She is officially declared dead not long after. Betsy's family was having dinner back home in Holland when their reverend knocked on their door to tell them the news. They would later fly to Penn State to bring Betsy back home. According to reporting by David DeCook for Patriot News, at this time, local police had an agreement with the Pennsylvania State Police to respond to crimes on campus.
7:39So they're the ones who respond to the call about Betsy. The barracks serving Penn State was about 15 minutes away at Rockview State Prison, and because it was the Thanksgiving weekend, most troopers weren't working, including the head of the Criminal Investigation Unit, Sergeant George Keebler. He was gone hunting and wasn't due back until Monday. So unfortunately, they just don't have the most skilled members of law enforcement available to answer the call. Trooper Mike Simmers ends up being the responding officer. He's on the younger side, and usually works in drug crimes and crowd control during the anti-Vietnam War protests on campus.
8:16He was also taking classes at Penn State as a part of his work going undercover. When Simmers gets the call, he's told that there's been a medical emergency. But really, even if their head of the criminal investigation unit were the first to arrive, it may not have made that much of a difference, because the crime scene was completely trashed. At this point, it's been over an hour since Betsy was found in the library, and since then the floor has been mopped. A lot of the books found around her body have been returned to the shelves, and all the potential witnesses to her murder didn't really stick around, let alone her murderer.
8:52It was really just business as usual in the library. Betsy was stabbed just one time through her left breast and heart. The wound was one inch wide and three inches deep, and the knife hit her pulmonary artery. Basically, blood pooled mostly in her lungs and stayed inside her body. So no one really knew that someone had just been murdered in the library at this point. Other than the medical staff and Simmers, most people thought that Betsy just had a medical emergency of some kind. Simmers told Dateline that he knew immediately that this was just way over his head. And at this point, he calls for backup, stating that a young woman had just been murdered at Penn State.
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11:53Terms apply. Visit Disneyplus.com slash Hulu for details. Betsy's autopsy was conducted at the Center Community Hospital between 11 p.m. and 4 a.m. But before it was even finished, investigators were at the door of David Wright, Betsy's boyfriend, at around midnight. Like I told you earlier, David lives in Hershey, Pennsylvania, about 100 miles away from Betsy. He was enrolled at what's now known as the Penn State College of Medicine, on track to become a doctor. He and Betsy had been dating for about a year, and there were talks of them possibly getting engaged by Christmas. But that wasn't always the plan.
12:32After her undergraduate studies, Betsy was accepted into the Peace Corps and planned to travel to Africa that fall. But after David told her that he couldn't promise he'd wait for her if he met someone while she traveled abroad, she enrolled at Penn State to stay close to him and keep the relationship going. So between David Wright just being Betsy's boyfriend and his medical knowledge, investigators put him at the top of the list of people they wanted to speak with. And they basically grill him before finally telling him that Betsy had been murdered. David says he was studying all day. According to statements from Dr.
13:08Stephen Margle, who lived in the house with David, the detectives separated all the students in the house for questioning. And they all said the same thing. David was with them studying. There was no way he traveled 200 miles round trip to kill Betsy. And remember, Betsy was there just the day before. Everyone reported that Betsy had a great time and she and David didn't fight. Despite these statements, investigators still aren't convinced that David didn't kill Betsy. But there's not much they can do at this point. They take the statements, pack it up and leave. David says that after the investigators left, the first call he made was to his father, who then called Betsy's parents.
13:49Not long after, Betsy's autopsy was complete, and some helpful pieces of information were revealed for the investigation. Betsy was not sexually assaulted. Due to her lungs filling with blood, it was extremely unlikely, if not impossible, that she would have been able to scream. There were also no defense wounds on Betsy's hands. No evidence at all was found to indicate that she tried to fight off her attacker in any way. While the weapon used to kill Betsy has never been recovered, they believe it was a hunting-style knife with a single-edge blade three and a half to four inches long. And since her killer stabbed her through her breastbone, it would have taken a lot of force to make that happen.
14:30It's also worth mentioning here that the bookcases Betsy was found between were extremely narrow, to the point that if someone needed to pass by, both people would have to turn sideways to make that happen. So this was a very intimate and close encounter. Center County pathologist Dr. Thomas Magnani wrote in his report, quote, the findings also suggest that the wound was inflicted with considerable force at the time of a face-to-face confrontation of the victim and the assailant, and that this weapon was held in the right hand of the assailant, end quote, which would match the description of the man possibly running away hiding his right hand.
15:09But investigators still do debate about whether Betsy was killed while facing her killer or grabbed from behind. In the end, they determine that Betsy was stabbed, and as she began to fall to the floor, she grabbed at the shelves and books and likely died in close to five minutes. When Sergeant George Keebler, the head of the criminal investigation unit I told you about earlier, hears that a student has been murdered at Penn State, he cancels his vacation and is back to work the next day on November 29th. Unfortunately, the investigation wasn't off to a great start. The crime scene was completely compromised.
15:48It had been mopped, items had been moved and touched, and there's no telling how many students walk through the scene. But they still want to analyze whatever they can. They bring in an expert who uses a blacklight in the area to check for bodily fluids. And despite the lack of blood, the scene lights up. We know that urine was found, which is believed to have come from Betsy. But they find something else. There's semen everywhere. It's on the shelves, on the books, and on the floor. But before we get ahead of ourselves here, Betsy was not sexually assaulted before she was killed. And there actually is a pretty reasonable explanation for this semen being everywhere.
16:31According to reporting by David DeCook in his book Murder in the Stacks, Petit Library had a bit of an issue with people having sexual relations in between the bookshelves or stacks, specifically gay men. There'd been several reports of this leading up to Betsy's murder. While there was great activism and efforts for reform, at this time, homosexuality was still a criminal offense in Pennsylvania. So it wasn't uncommon for men, students, and the public alike to use the dark aisles of the Petit Library to have sex. This was well documented, and according to DeCook's research, the library staff even requested that the college assign a member of their campus patrol, basically an internal, mostly student-run security of sorts, to the library full-time.
17:17But they were denied, saying they didn't have the resources to do so. Now, in addition to the semen, investigators also found about 20 to 30 paperback pornography books hidden in the shelves near where Betsy was killed. So what's been happening in the stacks is pretty clear. But this discovery led to a theory that Betsy may have stumbled upon a sexual encounter that the participants didn't want anyone to know about, so one of them stabbed her. But there are issues with this theory. None of the semen found appeared to be fresh. And Betsy was extremely progressive. Basically, if she saw somebody having sex in the stacks, she wouldn't have cared, let alone report it to anybody.
18:00But to be fair, if that were the case, we can assume that the participants and possible killer may have known that about her. So while it could be possible, and many people still believe it's a viable theory, Law enforcement chalks all this up finding all this semen to known sexual activity happening in the stacks, and they don't believe that there's a connection to Betsy's case. While analyzing this scene, they also notice a very tiny spray of blood droplets. It looks like someone had flicked blood off their hand, and while they didn't have the technology at this time to say that it was Betsy's blood, it did match her blood type.
18:38The theory is Betsy's killer stabbed her, pulled out the knife, and shook the blood off their hand before leaving the area. This correlates with the statements about the right hand, about the autopsy conclusion that the killer used their right hand, and it also kind of gives them an idea of what direction this killer may have headed in, but it's not definitive proof. Obviously, news that a student had been murdered in the library at Penn State spread like wildfire throughout the university, and her story was covered by the local media. It's actually how Betsy's best friend Andrea found out that she'd been killed.
19:14They were roommates at the University of Michigan. She says they did what most girls their age did at the time. They went to the movies, smoked cigarettes, and talked a lot about boys. She says Betsy had it all. She was beautiful, smart, a great cook, and she was never shy to express her opinions about social or political matters. Andrea says college boys tended to fall head over heels in love with Betsy pretty quickly. Another friend, Linda, likened Betsy to a young Catherine Hepburn, telling PennLive, quote, you know, with those kind of angular features, and this curly, reddish hair that she pinned up, lean and lanky with that same kind of sarcastic, funny, witty attitude, end quote.
19:56Andrea was home for the Thanksgiving holiday when she heard the news over the radio. Betsy Ardsma had been murdered at Penn State. She was in shock. She even called the radio station to confirm that she'd heard it correctly. After trying her best to compose herself, she went out to grab some food, but after the server took her order, she lost her composure. She broke down sobbing, saying that her best friend had just been killed. At this point in the investigation, they were trying to track down any witnesses who were in the library that day. According to early reporting by the Center Daily Times, 3 ,219 people visited Petit Library on the day that Betsy was killed.
20:39But I've seen that number drop down to about 600 in other reporting, and down to 90 in another set of reporting. So take that for what you will. And it gets complicated. Because the library was open to the public, everyone who was there that day weren't all students. So of course they can start looking through everyone enrolled in classes, but there was no way to account for the identities of each and every person who visited the library that day. So really early on, they just go back to Betsy's boyfriend David, and by all accounts, he's beyond cooperative. He meets with them multiple times a week to answer their questions, and David said it didn't really bother him.
21:20He kept talking because he was devastated and wanted to learn all he could about her murder. Dr. Stephen Margles, the one I told you about earlier, the roommate of David said, quote, Dave was a big suspect because whoever it was stabbed her in the vein of kava and because he was a medical student, he would have known where to plunge the knife. I mean, I couldn't have hit that if I tried, knowing the anatomy pretty well, end quote. David Wright is interviewed again and again and again until eventually the dean of his college stepped in and told police that they need to leave campus. While David was clearly a suspect early on in Betsy's case, investigators have never been able to link him to her murder, and most people don't believe he's the person who killed her.
22:06He's always cooperated with police, the media, and he attended Betsy's funeral along with the rest of her loved ones. One of the roses he brought was placed in Betsy's hand and buried with her. He says that's all he can remember about that day now. He's never shied away from her case, and he's been very open that he regrets putting any pressure on Betsy to not join the Peace Corps. He also regrets not pushing for her to stay with him over the Thanksgiving weekend. As investigators are working her case, they're digging into as much of her past and life as they can, both at Penn State and back home in Michigan.
22:44But they find nothing. Trooper Ron Tiger told David DeCook for Patriot News, quote, there was absolutely no motive at all to this situation. She was so damn squeaky clean, it was pathetic. End quote. At the peak of Betsy's case, there were about 45 investigators working it, and they interview thousands of people. They utilized hypnosis, polygraph tests, and there was a$25 ,000 reward which would be about$200 ,000 today. But none of this led them to Betsy's killer. Theories about what may have happened to Betsy were and really are all over the place. Some speculated that she may have witnessed a drug deal and was killed for it.
23:27Some believe that her killing may have been politically motivated. Betsy was very progressive and very outspoken about issues like equality. She even led a campus discussion group against the Vietnam War. These are more theories that have never been proven but continue to float around. Now, I do think it's important to understand what was happening in the U.S. around the time Betsy was killed. This is the time of unprecedented violent crime, and specifically brutal murders. It's the era of the Tate-LaBianca murders, and the infamously ugly serial killer Ted Bundy, who's also a pretty popular pick when it comes to theories in Betsy's case.
24:06Ted Bundy did spend a part of his youth in Pennsylvania, and attended Temple University in Philadelphia in 1969. This is a few hours away from Penn State where Betsy was. But many people have pointed to the fact that he did drive along the I-80 freeway, which goes from Philadelphia past north of Penn State and beyond. However, investigators believe Bundy made a trip down this freeway weeks before Betsy was killed, and can't place him in the area on the day of the murder. Also, while Bundy was known for targeting college-age women, he's far from the only perpetrator who did that. He also typically bludgeoned, strangled, and raped his victims, which would not align with Betsy's murder.
24:49Investigators are still divided on this theory. But in the end, like everything else, there is no definitive link between Bundy and Betsy's murder. Another serial killer named John Norman Collins has also been long suspected of killing Betsy. Between 1967 and 1969, a slew of women were killed in the Ann Arbor area. These killings were known as the Michigan murders or co-ed killings. In fact, when Betsy decided to move to Penn State, her family was relieved, feeling that she'd be safer there in light of all the killings. While many suspect that Collins killed upwards of seven women, and his crimes expanded as far as California, he was only charged with the murder of one woman named Karen Sue Bieneman.
25:33He's currently serving a life sentence, and no definitive connection to Betsy's case has ever been made. While it's important to consider all angles and that serial killers may have been in the area at that time, due to the intimacy of the crime and Betsy not fighting off her attacker, most people believe that she was killed by someone she knew and trusted.
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26:23As investigators are conducting thousands of interviews related to the murder of Betsy Ardsma, the obvious question was, who was the man or possible men seen near her in the library that day? I told you earlier that reporting about this case varies wildly. I can't tell you which set of reporting is correct. I can just tell you what's publicly available. But let's dig into some possibilities. David DeCook, along with others, have reported that Marilee Erdely wasn't alone in finding Betsy, but was joined by a fellow student named Joao Wafinda. This is important, because he allegedly followed the man who said somebody better help that girl.
27:01Again, a statement that also varies slightly depending on who's reporting on the case. But the story goes that as Marilee Erdely was checking Betsy's pulse and calling for help, Joao followed this man upstairs and out of the library, but couldn't keep up and he ultimately got away. There were composite sketches made of this man. He was said to have been white, with short brown hair, wearing khaki slacks, a tie, and a sports jacket. He was about 6 feet tall, around 190 pounds, and may have been wearing eyeglasses. He's never officially been identified, but his description does match someone who was on campus that day, a student named Richard Hafner.
27:40He was a PhD student in geology that fall, and he's the top pick for Betsy's killer by the authors of two books written about Betsy, Murder in the Stacks by David DeCook and Who Killed Betsy by Derek Sherwood. He had short brown hair, was known to carry a knife, wear khakis and a sports coat, and he had a history with Betsy. He often referred to her as his ex-girlfriend, but Betsy's family told investigators that they were aware of Hafner's advances towards her, and she called him a creep. In some reporting, they say that Betsy's roommate, Sharon Brandt, was the one who prompted investigators to look into him in the first place.
28:19He was an odd man, to say the least He was known for his temper and shocking outbursts He was also suspected of stealing from the university But he says he wasn't in the library that day They've never been able to connect Hafner to Betsy's case But in 1975, he faced two separate accusations of sexually assaulting young boys It went to trial and ended in a hung jury From there, Hafner filed a number of lawsuits against his accusers and ultimately had the charges removed from his record altogether. Seven years after Betsy's murder, a faculty member came forward to report that he saw Hafner shortly after Betsy was murdered.
29:02He was agitated and asked if there was any news about the woman killed in the library. This statement is important because it conflicted with what he'd told investigators originally about his whereabouts that day, that he'd been eating dinner in another location on campus. In 1998, Hafner was caught in a Delaware liquor store parking lot violently assaulting a woman by slamming her face into her car. He was convicted for his crimes, but afterward he sued the woman for damages. Hafner died just four years later in 2002, after suffering a tear to his aorta, causing him to bleed out into his lungs, similar to how Betsy died.
29:44In 2009, one of his nephews reached out to author Derek Sherwood and said he overheard Hafner telling his mother that he killed Betsy. He also heard his mother respond, you killed that girl and now you're killing me. While Hafner is widely considered to be the top suspect in Betsy's case, like everyone else, investigators were never able to make that definitive link between him and the murder. While Betsy's murder remains unsolved, the impact it's had is everlasting. It led to the creation of the Penn State Police Department. And even as recently as 2008, there were still officers at the Pennsylvania State Police advocating for resources to solve her case.
30:29That same year, Betsy's dress was sent off for another round of forensic testing, but nothing appears to have come of this. Betsy's family stopped giving interviews regarding her case a long time ago. She was one of four children, and in the early interviews with her family, you can tell that she was very, very loved, and her murder left a huge hole in their lives. Which brings me right to her call to action. As of recording this episode, Betsy was killed 55 years ago, but she still has loved ones alive today. And as far as I can tell, it's been over 15 years since any of the forensic evidence has been tested.
31:08In addition to her dress, they also have a soda can with some partial fingerprints. You guys, we see it every day. This case can be solved. So please share. Maybe keeping the pressure on will finally lead to some answers in Betsy's case.
31:30As a reminder, 22-year-old Betsy Ardsma was killed at the Petit Library at Penn State on November 28, 1969. She was white, 5 '8 with a slim build, long reddish-brown hair, and hazel eyes. Anyone with information is asked to call the Pennsylvania State Police tip line at 1-888-292-1919. You can also email tips to tips at pa.gov. But as always, thank you, I love you, and I'll talk to you next time.
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33:12Welcome to the Secret After Show. The door of the studio is open, and our emotional support puppies Heber and Popcorn are in the room. As far as what's going on with me, I think the only thing I have to report here is that there's no new updates when it comes to this Jane Doe possibly being a match to Alyssa. But I do want to give a shout out to the Alyssa Turney subreddit community. I actually left that subreddit a long time ago, and I recently came back to it. It was just too overwhelming at the time. It was right before trial, and I was upset I had to walk away, and I've since tried to re-embrace this community.
33:52There are so many people on there that truly care about Alyssa. And right now they are speculating, they are analyzing in a very respectful way that I also find helpful. I really do appreciate when people take the time to look into my sister's case, to present factual information, to present theories that make sense. I think that they are just doing a really good job over there. And I'm interacting. If you guys want to ask me questions about the case, I'm on there. I try to answer all I can. Please be respectful, of course. But again, I just wanted to like shout that out. If you guys are listening, I wanted to shout you guys out.
34:31I just, I guess especially right now, as I'm waiting to learn if this doe is Alyssa or not, I can't help but run back literally everything in her case. And it just helps to talk it out with someone else. I said this on the subreddit, but I feel like being so close to the case is a double-edged sword. I know so much. I know all the ins and outs. I know all the, you know, major players and minor players and, you know, everything. Obviously not everything, but it's hard because I think being that close to it makes it hard to see things, which is obviously why it took me so long to see the truth about my dad, right?
35:14So again, it's just really helpful. I really appreciate it, and I wanted to give you guys a shout out. But as I feel like I'm losing my voice again due to stress, let's move right on to the case. First and foremost, I just want to talk about the media discrepancies, which I talked about so much in this episode. This has to be one of the hardest cases I've ever covered because of these discrepancies, you guys. Literally, every report is different. Like, I swear, every report has different numbers. It has different times. The date or the time that she was declared dead differs. I mean, the entire timeline.
35:54Sometimes the players. Who was there with her in the library? Was that person identified? Were they not identified. It was extremely difficult to follow. And while I think that there are two authors that I mentioned in this episode that have done extensive work following this case, researching this case, I also don't know how to discern between which one is better. It was really, really hard. And I think especially because her family has stepped out of the spotlight, which I totally understand, 100%, I am not trying to bash them in any way, it makes it harder for me. I usually look to the families to at least give me some type of guidance, like who they're interviewing with.
36:40I usually try to trust as a source if they are, you know, like a credible news organization or some type of journalist. I usually look to those people as credible sources because the family has worked with them. I just, you guys know me, I think that families usually know more than most people do, and so I try to follow that path without relying on it 100%. This is just one of those cases where it's hard. It's been a really long time since Betsy was murdered, and there is so much reporting over such a great length of time that it's kind of like a game of telephone. Over the years, things change, and it's hard to follow how or why that happened.
37:18I don't know. I'm just not the type to, I guess, pick one narrative and move forward with it as if it's fact. I like to be completely honest with you guys and let you know that the reporting is all over the place, and I can't tell you for sure which one is accurate unless it comes directly from somebody involved in the case. Next on my list, I touched on it briefly just a second ago. I wanted to talk about her family not giving interviews anymore. And, um, I guess, hold on, warning, I'm getting on my soapbox. um, just take a moment to, like, respect that. I think that when families don't want to speak with the media, people often get upset.
37:57Um, they, you know, say things like, that's suspicious that they don't want to talk. Why don't they care? And I just want people to know that, um, this process, interviewing about your loved one again and again and again over many, many years, I mean, my goodness, I don't know what 55 years feels like, but I can tell you that it's exhausting. It's mentally taxing, and it hurts. Even in a best-case scenario, every interview in true crime for a family member is trauma, at least in my experience. For most people, I can't speak for every family member in true crime, but for me and many of the families that I know, it's all trauma, and it's all pain, and we do it because we love our loved one, right?
38:47But I also think it's okay to say, I've given my statements, I don't have anything else to say, please refer to what I said before. I think that establishing that boundary, you know, hopefully finding peace and stepping away is perfectly okay and needs to be more normalized in true crime. Now on to our hero of the episode. Um, this one was hard, and to be honest, I don't know that I have a hero of this episode because of all the conflicting information. It's really hard to know exactly what happened, but I do have an honorable mention, I guess. And that's David Wright, Betsy's boyfriend, for being so forthcoming with police.
39:28And this might be like a hot take. I know that some people still think he did it. and I try not to give my opinions you guys but the 200 mile round trip many people vouching that he was there that day and them all seeing Betsy the day before I mean just the odds that all those people that lived in that house would keep that secret for him feels extremely unlikely so I will move forward with my honorable mention because I think that he was so forthcoming with police I mean, doing interviews with them, answering their questions multiple times a week is insane. That is insane. And like I said, throughout all these years, he kept cooperating with police, he keeps talking to the media, and now he is like the successful kidney doctor, and he still takes the time to give statements about her case.
40:20so he's our honorable mention for this episode. I just think it's really neat to see when people I don't know just keep going like he has. Now let's move on to our segment of hope. This is from Randall. Thank you and I will warn you in advance that I am going to get emotional because we are talking about a dog again. This comes from I'm so proud to say I don't always get to be proud of Arizona, but this comes from Arizona and I am proud. This is directly from the Arizona Republic written by Caitlin McLeod on April 17th, 2025. And you guys, the title says, thank you. I think it's Buford. Hero dog finds missing toddler who was located seven miles from Arizona home.
41:07The article reads, on April 14th, about 40 search and rescuers and officers from several law enforcement agencies searched the rugged rural terrain of northern Arizona to find missing two-year-old Bowden Allen. The boy had wandered off in his pajamas from his home in Seligman, which, side note, if you didn't know, is the inspiration behind the fictional town in Kars. The article goes on to say, they looked through the night and spotted two mountain lions along the way, according to a news release from the Avapai County Sheriff's Office. It was a rancher's dog named Buford that found him, the sheriff's office confirmed.
41:50After the 16th hour, the rancher reported Alan had walked onto his property seven miles from the boy's home. He said Buford found the boy while patrolling his land and likely shepherded him to safety. The boy told the rancher he slept under a tree. It is unclear how a two-year-old could have traveled seven miles on foot. According to the American Academy of Pediatrics, two-year-olds are still learning coordination when they walk, and they have a very short attention span. Most children do not have enough motor skills to participate in sports until they are at least six. The Sheriff's Office thanked the Arizona Department of Safety, the Coconino County Sheriff's Office, the Mojave County Sheriff's Office search and rescue teams, and the public for sharing Allen's missing person flyer.
42:39Quote, and of course, Buford the dog who stayed with the boy and brought him to safety, end quote, the Sheriff's Office said. So, that is our segment of hope for obvious reasons. Um, it's just really great to see. I think obviously, I mean, I can't even imagine the panic of your two-year-old wandering away or being lost. And just, you guys, thank the heavens for dogs. But as always, thank you, I love you, and I'll talk to you next time. Josie, it's your new nanny, Polly. The hand that rocks the cradle, a Hulu original. What do you know about her? Now streaming. You think if you try hard enough, you can stop bad things from happening, but you can't.
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On a quiet afternoon in November 1969, 22-year-old graduate student Betsy Aardsma was studying in the stacks of Penn State's Pattee Library when she suddenly collapsed. Despite decades of investigation, her case remains one of Pennsylvania's most haunting unsolved mysteries.
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