Daniel Robinson 2023 Update

28:38For instance, two days before he went missing, had our normal two-hour conversations. There was nothing outside our conversation that would warrant that he was having some mental depression. One thing for sure, He has never, for instance, said the word love about Caitlin. He never told me he was in love with a woman. He only told me he met the woman. So it's things like that. It's things like that. I know my son's mannerism. I know certain little small things that would say, hey, for instance, he would not just get in some accident unless he was out of his mind. just walk off and then don't alert his family, friends of what's going on or decide to leave life as it is without saying something.

29:25That is not Daniel. Absolutely. Well, and you know, there are, you know, unfortunately so many cases that involve a car crash and someone going missing. And, you know, I think the possibilities are kind of endless, right? It's hard to say what's happened without that definitive proof, which is my argument for keeping that hope alive, for continuing to search, for actually searching, for actually investigating. And yeah, I will never understand or be able to justify in any way the response from the Buckeye Police Department. I've just never seen it in Arizona before. And again, I think that's why it sticks with me.

30:06And, of course, after meeting you so many times and, you know, just it's different when you meet these families and you talk in person and you just, you know, you want to help. But before we get on to, you know, all the ways people can help, I did want to take just a tiny step back. And, you know, I feel like I kind of have to ask you about, you know, the new information in this report. they're saying this witness Bill, you know, is changing his story. And before I go into any of it, I just wanted to ask your opinion on all that. This episode of Voices for Justice is sponsored by Greenlight. I think one of the best gifts you can give your kids is the gift of financial literacy.

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32:06Oh my gosh, they're so fast. And breathe. Oh, sorry. I almost couldn't breathe when I saw the discount they gave me on my first order. Oh, sorry. Namaste. Visit 1-800-CONTACTS.com today to save on your first order. 1-800-CONTACTS. Yeah, I'm very, I did hear, of course, I get questioned about that. I'm very disappointed, again, as always with Buckeye, because I brought Mr. Well, I want to put his last name out, but Bill, I call him Bill or Billy. he came to my searches that was in 2021 and he presented himself as a federal law enforcement officer after he came to us after he tried according to him he tried to talk with the Buckeye Police Department but they ignored him so he came to the search to to meet me of course I sent him over to my investigator because his appearance did not look like a federal law enforcement officer to me, even though he showed me a badge and said that's who he were.

33:14Some reason, something didn't feel right. So I sent him to my investigator who happened to be there at the searches. I let him, told him, hey, look, you need to hear his story and tell me what you think. Sometime later, I'll say about in less than a month's time, my investigators say he vetted his story and that he's exactly who he said he is, a federal law enforcement officer, and that he was the last person that may have seen Daniel. Of course, I was really, I put that out in the public, telling everybody, hey, there's a second person that's seen Daniel. Later, those things started becoming questionable to me because the more I got to know Billy, he was telling me the story.

33:56A couple of things he said at the beginning. He saw my son the first time through the scope of his rifle. He seen the vehicle at a distance. He was near the Hossa Upper River. And then from that point, he saw him a second time. And the second time he saw him was around 1 o 'clock that evening. And he said he approached my son around 1 o 'clock on the side of the banks of the Wagoner Wash. And to make a long story, a couple of things that stuck out with that, he said that Daniel talked to him and his children, and he asked Daniel if there's a proper place for him to target practice. And Daniel told him that he shouldn't do it here because I work in this area.

34:41But you're supposed to go, you know, told him where he should go because that's where they go target practice. Daniel told him that's where the target normally do it at. You need to go in this other area. And so he said he was really grateful that Daniel had put him in the right direction to where he's supposed to target practice. Now, later on, once my investigator came out with the information about the vehicle, that report came back from California. We found out the first accident happened around one o 'clock. It's probably like 1258, somewhere around there. But one o 'clock that evening, Bill changed his story.

35:16He said he saw Daniel at one, but he changed to say, hey, I saw him at 10 o 'clock that morning. And so that was a red flag for me. The other part came is when I realized through a person asking a question to me on the live, she said, asked me, well, how can Daniel give Bill directions to this location where he can go target practice? When does this first time ever been out there in that desert area? It does first time being out there in that desert. He would know where to direct him to. And I said, you know what? That makes a lot of sense. And so that was another red flag. But the ultimate thing was once I found out that Bill wasn't a law enforcement officer, in fact, he had a criminal history in the past had been impersonating law enforcement.

36:02So put all those things together. I looked at him as a suspect. I then went to the Buckeye Police Department about it. Talked to Detective Biffin. He told me I'm going to back up a little bit. I sent Bill back to the Buckeye Police Department, and they agreed this time, about the time, to speak with him. I think that was probably around November, December of 2021. And I stayed on the phone with Bill until he got to the police department. And he said he's going in with this meeting, we're going to talk to them, tell them what he know. And I told him, well, call me back when you're done. I didn't hear from him for almost three days.

36:41I thought that maybe he got arrested or something happened, I don't know. and he called me back and said, oh, he had to go straight back to work. That's why he didn't call back. But what I found out is when I talked to the Buckeye Police Department, they said they vetted his story and they believe him. I said, well, what about his rap sheet? What about this? What about this? And what about that? They said, well, that don't mean nothing. We believe his story. Okay, but I told him I don't. Three months ago here in 2022, Detective Biffin called me again and he asked me what I thought. about he brought Billy back up again and asked me what I thought.

37:17I told him the same thing I thought from the last time. And then also I gave him the information that I had about Billy. So when I see this in the report now in 2023, that is something that should have been taken care of in 2021, is what I'm saying. And it's become a problem to me the way the actions of Buckeye is more reactional based on the things I say in public, the public support of people hitting the office with these, for instance, these protest letters and asking certain questions, that's when they're reactionary. And then they actually do some of the things they should have done in 2021.

37:57I mean, obviously, it seems extremely overdue. And from what I could find, it seems like, you know, the Buckeye PD is being very neutral about it. They're not saying, you know, that he wasn't involved, which I think is something, right? You have to read between those lines, but they're not saying that he was either. I read a statement that was like, there's no evidence in his devices or phone that would corroborate or disprove his story, which I think is very telling if you read between those lines. But still, I mean, so frustrating because yeah, to your point, Why not do that right away? It's not as if there were dozens of witnesses that day, right?

38:40You only had a few. So why aren't we pursuing them with everything we have? and we're out to we're out to um you know one of the biggest things i say a lot is that uh the last person that's seen someone should their story should definitely be uh vetted very well um as you guys know i have out the searches um out there in the desert i stay out in the desert sometimes some people didn't my team definitely didn't like that but i would stay out in the desert do my own investigation stuff and one of those things were to uh just do He traced those steps that was given to us, the whole narrative of Dane's disappearance from one person, Ken.

39:21And actually walked those steps and those bare words that were said and things and put it all together. And when I did, when I'd done so, it was definitely a lot of questions. Everything that he says just didn't add up. Some things that should be in a report from that instance, you know, if they want to say phone data, Ken said that Daniel, for instance, they made it to the well site at 9 o 'clock that morning. Daniel left at 9.15. But then, you know, you don't hear anything else about that outside the fact that I'm out in the public pointing out that, you know, with Daniel's phone records, he made a phone call to Ken at 9.28.

40:01So if Daniel left at 9.15, why is he making a call at 9.28? and also if you back it up, Daniel, Ken's first message to Daniel was to a voicemail, left a voicemail, asked to Daniel not to come up there because of some fueling issues. Daniel tried to call back. Ken did not answer. And I think, if I'm mistaken, he may or may not have. I think after that he tried to call back and Daniel didn't answer. But I'm not sure that part may not be accurate. I'm just going by memory. But I can tell you that Daniel tried to call him again. he did not answer so since he didn't answer daniel sent a text message say hey how do you get to this location he's asking how to get there and that was almost closer to nine o 'clock it was like more like 8 8 40 or somewhere around that time he sent a text message out to ken asking for location how to get there and and so ken did not respond like i said in the next call that daniel given was at 928, and I'm assuming, to ask for directions.

41:04So something's going on with the phone. And so I really don't understand those things are not being explored by law enforcement. Those things are being explored by me, going into the depths of those ideas or those words that were said by Ken. He stayed left of the trash, so he didn't disturb him. Now, he pre-said this stuff. This stuff is not in the report as well. I have witnesses and I have notes. He said that he stayed left with Trex so he didn't disturb them that morning. He got to go look for Daniel almost immediately after he left. He said that he stayed left with Trex and he went disturbed because he knew that law enforcement would come looking and Daniel's case would go national.

41:44That's exactly how he put it. So that was one of the things. He also went on to say his little Trex or how he went looking for Daniel out there in the desert, got on a high area looking. But he also spoke about how he took red paint, spray paint, spray paint, rocks, red paint, to give out law enforcement, let them know where these threats leads to. And if you follow those steps, everything that Ken said verbatim, it will lead you to the area where the vehicle eventually will be found. So, you know, that type deal. So I'm trying to understand why law enforcement is not vetting his story. Is it just taking his word because he said it?

42:27And that is it. Despite of the fact that things that I told law enforcement with the witnesses, my daughter's one. And, you know, and they're not taking on to those things. They're being selective of what they want to put in report. They're not taking the rancher story, saying the vehicle, for instance, wasn't there two days prior. You don't see that in the report because it don't fit the narrative that they want to give out to the public. So anything that fits the narrative that the vehicle is there for 30 days or that he has some type of depression or what the case may be, those are the things that make it into the report.

43:02But everything else that's evidence and information has not been put in the report. And those things are problematic for me and my investigation. And that's another reason why I need Daniel's case moved to a different jurisdiction. My name is Percy Jackson. Getting in trouble is like breathing for me. The hit series returns to Disney Plus and Hulu. The danger the camp is under is greater than you can possibly imagine. For the key to our survival, three of you must quest to the sea of monsters. Let's go do the impossible. I'm not going to let some stupid monsters stand in my way. Percy Jackson and the Olympians.

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44:17Yeah, absolutely. And I have to imagine that this report feels kind of like a double-edged sword because, you know, on one hand, it is getting his name back in the press, which is always good. But on the other hand, you know, and again, maybe it's just my life experience with authorities, but it does feel kind of like a preemptive comment, if you will, from the police department. Like, hey, before the anniversary even comes up, here's everything we've been doing. We've been working. Here's our narrative. Kind of like, don't come for us. We're doing what we can. Is that just me or is that kind of similar to how you feel as well?

44:56Yeah, definitely. I definitely know that's one of the facts of everything. You know, thank God to all the people that join in on the mail-in protests, sending out these letters, making these phone calls. And like you said, I see the reaction. I call it reaction from law enforcement. They're on defense mode right now. And like you said, they took the report. Well written. The way I look at it is I was written from out of their attorney or someone who writes very well. But it's well-written to a point to, like you said, give an appearance of a lot of work has been done. And we're continuing to work hard in Daniel's case.

45:41And so, yes, definitely coming up to that two-year mark. I have been publicly saying that, you know, after this kind of light visual, I will be doing some more efforts to get my son's case removed over because of the slow ash on the Buckeye. But, you know, I can see that as a defensive mechanism. And as well, like I said, don't come after me doing the best I can. Yeah. And, you know, I think you pretty much summed up where the case is today. They're doing what they're doing. And you are still investigating as hard as you were from the very beginning, which is just incredible. Your resilience and strength is, you know, definitely commendable.

46:24but of course I want to get to what you've been talking about with the vigil and the mail-in protest how can people help you I want my audience to participate that's the whole goal of this podcast is not just to listen to how sad all this is and and how terrible it is how can we help you yes um go to go to ask everybody to go to please help please help find daniel.com Please help find Daniel.com. There's information there on how you can help. One of the biggest things that's happening right now is the mail-in protest. That's something that has been going on for weeks now, for about almost two months now.

47:04That effort is helping me with what I'm doing in the background. I'm securing meetings with other officials that I cannot put out publicly just yet. But there's some other officials that is working along with me to get those movements that I'm looking for, getting this case moved over to the Maricopa County Sheriff's Office. And also it keeps law enforcement active into Daniel's case. So if anybody would want to help, go to pleasehelpfinddaniel.com. Download those PDFs. There are letters. There are picket signs, those same picket signs that will be part of the physical protest. But we're doing it in letter form.

47:45um get download those things if you want to donate i call that a donation you buy some stamps buy some envelope envelopes uh stuff those those envelopes with those letters and those uh uh pickets picket signs and send it off to the addresses that's in on the address on the letters and also the address on the website please help find daniel.com and send them out to these locations because I need them to come in by the hundreds to the thousands every day as possible to this location because what it does, it puts a lot of attention on Daniel's case into those departments. And so if you want to help in that way, that's definitely going to help.

48:24Also, the upcoming event that I have on, a lot of people call it the anniversary of Daniel being missing. I don't like to use the word anniversary because every day for my family and I and myself. It's a day, an extra day that Daniel has been missing. It's very painful. But it is definitely two years, Mark, on the 23rd of this month that Daniel has been missing to make up two years. And that's last year on the Candlelight Visual. Last year, I want to do something that's giving back to the community. That's something Daniel would do. A lot of people don't know, but Daniel is also an advocate himself.

49:03You know, he'd been in major protests against police brutality, et cetera. If Daniel was here right now, he would be side by side with me to help other families. That is the way he is. So I'm asking everybody to join in on the Unity Candlelight Visual that we'll be having on the 23rd. Excuse my voice. I'm still having an issue with my voice. But on the 23rd of this month will be that Candlelight Visual, Unity Candlelight Visual. and I'm asking you guys to join in. All you have to do is light a candle at sunset, no matter where you are. And just remember my son's case, share his case. If you guys want to share your pictures and videos of the candlelight or what you're doing at home, utilize the hashtag UnityCandlelightVisual when you do so.

49:58And that way I can put it on my platform as well. as support. Another thing I want to make sure I pointed out about this candlelight visual, it's called Unity Candlelight Visual because it's bringing families together. And I'm not just talking about the families of the missing. It's bringing everyday families who's listening, who's been supporting my efforts to locate Daniel. That's the families I'm speaking of that will be coming and joining in on this candlelight visual to hear because I'm planning to have other families on my live that I would be doing on that day. I've been doing two lives on that day.

50:34One for the East Coast, and I'll be doing one for the West Coast. And I would have families. For instance, Mr. Petito will be on one of the lives that we'll be supporting. I want to make sure that families will be able to come in and listen to these stories from other families who have missing loved ones. And so those families have opportunity for you to be able to share those stories. Because like I said, the hardest thing it is for a family member when the loved one goes missing is keeping that story out there, keeping it on the platforms, keeping it out on the news media. And so whenever you guys share that story is very crucial and very important for these families.

51:18And so I want to give the families a platform where they can come in and they can share their stories. and you guys are supporting the Unity Candlelight Visual and you can hear those stories and you can share those stories on your platforms and get these stories out there. So that's what the Candlelight Visual is all about this year is to help keep light on today's case as well as helping other families get their stories out there. So again, that'll be on June the 23rd, Unity Candlelight Visual. I love it. Yeah, I mean, media pressure moves mountains and there's no other way about it. Now, where can people watch these streams?

51:59Yes. Well, the live stream will be, I want to make sure I got this right, but it's 8 o 'clock p.m. on the East Coast. And also there'll be 8.30 p.m. out West on the West Coast. That'll be Arizona time, for instance, California time. And that'll be on YouTube channel, Please Help Find Daniel. That's Please Help Find Daniel. YouTube channel, Please Help Find Daniel, where you can join in. If you have a missing loved one and you want to be part of the Kind of Light visual, you can hit me up on Please Help Find Daniel at Yahoo.com and put in requests. I would love to have you on the live. If you just want to give it the information, you can do that as well.

52:45And I will share the information on the platform for those who are listening to share. Perfect. And before we close out, I always like to ask, I know that your voice is escaping you, but is there anything else you'd like to add before we say goodbye? Yes, I will tell you, thank you so much for being such an advocate. You have been doing that since I met you. You know, like you said, it's different when you meet people in forums like this and you do an interview. But when you actually meet a person in person and they're exactly the same way they are when you meet them on a platform like this, it's incredible.

53:23And I know the things that you had to go through with your own family. And, you know, my prayers are always there with you. and you're just such a wonderful person. I wanted to tell you that and I'll tell you thank you so much for constantly trying to help me in my efforts with my son as well. Of course, of course. You're so kind. I did want to say, of course, thank you for coming on. I know that this isn't easy. It's also during a very busy time for you. So I appreciate you taking the time and I know that my listeners care a lot and I'm just really happy to be able to get, you know, hopefully help in a small way get this message out there for you.

54:00Thank you, Sarah. I appreciate it. Of course. As a reminder, Daniel Robinson went missing from Buckeye, Arizona on June 23rd, 2021. Anyone with information is asked to call 623-349-6411. But as always, thank you, I love you, and I'll talk to you next time. Voices for Justice is hosted and produced by me, Sarah Turney, and is a Voices for Justice media original. If you love what we do here, please take a moment to follow, rate, and review the show in your podcast player. It's an easy and free way to help us and help more people find these cases in need of justice.

54:55Thank you.

55:34Welcome to the Secret After Show. Now, I realize that last week I talked a lot about update episodes and not doing update episodes, and then followed that right up with an update episode. But, you know, this is a format that I hope to start incorporating, this format of bringing families that we speak with back on to keep these cases top of mind. Now, I know when I was interviewing for Alyssa sometimes, it felt like, and it wasn't the creator's fault, I just want to say that like right up front, but it can leave this really empty feeling that you did this interview and like that's it, it's over and you know, on to the next case.

56:12And again, I just want to say that I know that that's just the nature of content creation. So I really try my best to make sure that the families I work with know that for me, it's not just like a single episode. You know, I do it and then I say goodbye forever. I really do try to be there for them when I can. So again, thank you for listening to this update with David. He works so hard to keep Daniel's name in the press, and I really, really hope that you will take time to participate in the vigil and the mail-in protest. And speaking of hope, let's talk about our unnamed hope story of the week.

56:47This is local to Arizona, but I hope it's already in place in other states and if not, will be put into place. Alright, I'm going to reference an article from 12 News here in Arizona by Kevin Reagan. Basically, Arizona passed major legislation that I think is going to save a lot of lives. According to the article, quote, A piece of legislation that would revise how the Arizona Department of Child Safety, that's basically CPS, reports missing foster children has been signed into law. House Bill 2651 will obligate DCS to notify local media outlets within 48 hours of receiving a report of a missing or runaway child.

57:30Information about the missing juvenile must also be posted on social media platforms. End quote. And the article goes on to say, quote, State Representative Barbara Parker, R. District 10, introduced the bill after two teenage girls were found dead in a Mesa water basin on January 21st. The teens had allegedly run away from a group home two weeks prior. The causes of death for Sidlali, Avalar, 17, and Cameron Myers, 15, were listed as accidental by the medical examiner. Parker said she took issue with how the community wasn't aware of these missing girls until after they were deceased. There would have been an army of people willing to find them had the public known, Parker said.

58:15End quote. Sorry, my voice is really going out there. Now, I definitely need to look further into these cases because I hadn't seen them before, but I thought that this was a really good fit for our little hope segment here. And I know I talk about this all the time, especially I have been covering a lot of cases, about precedents that have been set, and it's an absolute tragedy that any kids have to die for bills like this to be introduced. That being said, I do think that this bill will save many lives in the future. Every agency that cares for kids in foster care is different. Every social worker is different.

58:53But I think it's universal that every child who goes missing, every person who goes missing deserves to be searched for. And I think that this bill will help a lot. So I hope that that gave you a little bit of hope. Oh my gosh, I use the word hope so much. I aspire that this segment gave you hope. That's also like a really terrible way to phrase things. Anyway, thank you for tolerating me. I love you and I'll talk to you next time.