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Voices for Justice - Episode Summary: Father Can You Hear Me?... Apparently Not.
Podcast Overview Voices for Justice is a true crime podcast hosted by Sarah Turney, the sister of missing teen Alissa Turney. Each episode concludes with a call to action, encouraging listeners to not just hear the stories but to advocate for justice.
Episode Details
- Title: Father Can You Hear Me?... Apparently Not.
- Description: This episode revisits the case of Alissa Turney, featuring a 2019 phone call between Sarah and their father, Michael Turney, who is the only person of interest in Alissa's case, complemented by reflections and updates.
Key Themes and Discussions
Introduction
- Sarah introduces the episode as a revisitation of her sister Alissa's case, providing context for the 2019 conversation with her father.
- The episode reflects on Sarah's journey to gain media coverage for Alissa's case, including her efforts to create a podcast after the police suggested doing so.
The 2019 Phone Call
- Context:
- The conversation initiated with Sarah asking Michael if he would participate in media coverage for ABC 2020 regarding Alissa’s case.
- During the call, Michael expresses concerns about media exposure impacting his relationship with his grandchildren.
- Michael’s Response:
- He dismisses Sarah’s urgings to advocate for Alissa, insisting he has his reasons for avoiding media.
Updates on the Case
- Sarah discusses changes since the 2019 call:
- Michael has been cut off from his grandchildren and only maintains contact with his oldest son.
- After his trial, he engaged in multiple media appearances, including on Dateline and ABC 2020.
- He has produced over a hundred videos where he discusses his perspective, often portraying himself as a victim of media bias.
Analysis of Michael’s Videos
- Sarah reflects on Michael’s content, noting:
- His narratives often omit Alissa and focus on his grievances against media portrayal.
- He makes unsubstantiated claims about conspiracies targeting him and paints himself as a misunderstood figure.
Reflections on the Past
- Sarah expresses regret over her past self during the initial call, describing herself as fearful and lacking confidence.
- She acknowledges the emotional burden of advocating for Alissa, illustrating the fear and hope she felt at the beginning of her journey.
Call to Action
- Sarah urges listeners to advocate for Alissa’s case, emphasizing the need for public awareness and support.
- The episode ends with a promise of more insights and developments in Alissa’s case, as Sarah continues her efforts to bring justice.
Key Takeaways
- Advocacy for Justice: Sarah's podcast serves as a platform to keep Alissa's story alive and push for justice.
- Family Dynamics: The relationship between Sarah and Michael is fraught with tension, underscored by differing perceptions of responsibility regarding Alissa’s disappearance.
- Media Influence: The episode highlights the role of media in shaping narratives around missing persons and suspects, as well as the personal impact on families involved.
Conclusion This episode revisits the complex dynamics of familial relationships within the context of a true crime narrative. It reinforces the importance of advocacy in seeking justice for those who are missing and underscores the emotional toll of unresolved cases on families. Sarah Turney continues to call for solidarity and support as she navigates her personal quest for justice for her sister, Alissa.
For more information on Alissa's case and how to support the podcast, visit [Voices for Justice Podcast](https://voicesforjusticepodcast.com).
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Chapters
Tap a time to open that second in VOThe Search for Alyssa
2:25 to 4:32
Sarah discusses the attempts to gain media coverage for Alyssa's case.
“So I went on every podcast and YouTube channel I could find to cover Alyssa's case.”
Journey to Create a Podcast
4:32 to 6:12
Sarah shares the story of creating her podcast after struggling for media attention.
“the Peacock documentary about Alyssa, and a handful of articles from the local media here in Arizona.”
Father's Media Presence
6:12 to 11:10
An exploration of Sarah's father's media activities and claims post-trial.
“he participated in a large protest in downtown Phoenix with other disgruntled parents of missing children who couldn't get phone records.”
Reflections on Early Podcasting
11:10 to 12:28
Sarah reflects on her early podcasting experience and her feelings at that time.
“But that's a story for another day and another podcast.”
Alyssa's Disappearance: The Background
15:44 to 16:58
Understand the context of Alyssa's case and the investigation timeline.
“But for those of you not familiar with the story, I want to give you a brief overview of why I'm here today even recording this thing.”
The Father's Background and Arrest
16:58 to 17:29
Learn about the father's criminal history and its relevance to the case.
“And that's where I'm at, in desperate need of my voice to be loud enough to get her justice.”
The Latest Conversation: A Call with Dad
17:29 to 18:15
Listen to Sarah's candid conversation with her father about Alyssa.
“and let you hear my most recent conversation with my and Alyssa's father.”
Confronting the Father: A Deep Dive into Their Relationship
18:15 to 28:01
Explore the emotional and complex exchanges between Sarah and her father.
“Alright, well I thought it was worth asking.”
Confronting Past Trauma and Substance Abuse
28:01 to 30:50
A discussion unfolds about past experiences with drugs and family dynamics.
“mean being out of control, other than that one time with that guy.”
Family Divisions and Unresolved Issues
33:09 to 42:00
An emotional conversation about family divisions, memories, and accountability surfaces.
“I mean, again, I'm not, like, we don't need to hash everything out.”
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Discussion on Trust and Communication
42:00 to 43:36
The conversation reveals deep-seated issues of trust and communication between family members.
“The fact that this ain't about a list of being tested and being ADD, Sarah, that is there.”
Confrontation Over Past Actions
44:36 to 56:00
A heated exchange where past actions and accountability are fiercely debated.
“He went back, whoever, I think it was a female, whatever it was.”
Conflict and Isolation
56:00 to 57:09
Exploration of the emotional strains and accusations in a family dynamic.
“And you stating that is not going to create some conflict inside of me.”
Storytelling and Advocacy
57:10 to 58:16
Discussion on the importance of advocating for a missing child and sharing personal narratives.
“Because that's going to get more views for Alyssa and that's the end game.”
Reflections on Trauma
58:17 to 59:38
A candid conversation about dark personal experiences and their impact.
“I think she probably took an end of the abuse so that you would never have to experience it.”
Manipulation and Realization
59:39 to 1:00:25
A realization of manipulation within family relationships and its effects.
“And you know, the fact that I, that you and I both didn't tell you about that.”
Transcript
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1:39Hello.
1:40Alissa Turney:This week I'm stepping away from the office to focus on something incredibly important. The first ever search for my sister Alyssa's remains. After nearly 25 years, it's finally happening. While I'd usually bring you an older episode from season 2, I thought it was only fitting to go back to the very beginning of all of this, to the very first episode of Voices for justice. I published that back in 2019, and I want to give you some context, updates, and hindsight about this episode. Of course, first is that when the police told me they didn't have enough evidence to arrest my father for Alyssa's murder in 2017, they suggested I get media coverage.
2:22Alissa Turney:The only problem was, the mainstream media was not interested at all. So I went on every podcast and YouTube channel I could find to cover Alyssa's case. And I literally mean every single one. I lost count of exactly how many, but it's definitely upwards of 50. I even went to a stranger's home late at night to interview for their YouTube channel with exactly three subscribers. I know, it's not smart and it's not safe, but luckily they did turn out to be lovely people. And after about two years of doing everything I could to get media coverage for Alyssa, many of the true crime content creators I met along the way suggested I make a podcast about her myself.
3:03Alissa Turney:So in 2019, that was the new plan. That summer, I'd just gotten back from my first crime con event in New Orleans. I was just a family member speaking on a panel about my sister, but there I met with a producer from ABC 2020. There's an old episode about Alyssa from 2009 that I was desperately asking them to revisit and update. So I was jumping for joy when they told me that they would. I was finally going to get some national media coverage. There was just one giant hurdle to jump through first. They'd only do it if my father would interview for the show too. So my very first episode of this podcast started in the present, with me asking my father to go back on 2020.
3:46Alissa Turney:But of course, that conversation, this conversation with him, ended up being so much more than that. This episode is basically our entire conversation bookended by me telling you about the plans for this season. So that's the context. Here are the updates. While you will hear my father voice concerns about seeing his grandkids if he does media in this episode, he was cut off from them shortly after. In fact, only his oldest son speaks to him now, and he has exactly zero access to his grandkids. Despite my literal begging on this call for him to advocate for Alyssa and do media as her detective suggested, he never did until after his trial, when he was basically free and clear.
4:31Alissa Turney:Then he did a lot of media, including an update episode with ABC 2020, an episode of Dateline, the Peacock documentary about Alyssa, and a handful of articles from the local media here in Arizona. Perhaps the most disturbing, however, are his own videos. He has created over a hundred now. He said he wanted to be an influencer, to raise money to rescue Alyssa and other, quote, American females, end quote, from across the southern border. He also said he wanted to create a podcast and write a book. And it seems like he was serious. Not long after, I got a message from a friend who used to work at Guitar Center, a familiar haunt from my childhood.
5:17Alissa Turney:I spent hours in that store while my father shopped for music equipment. But she told me that one of the employees told her that my father came in asking about the equipment he'd need to start a podcast, and he was speaking of the great injustices committed against him. Now, I don't know exactly what he bought, but I did see the studio foam on his walls in his videos after that. From the looks of it, it's a lot like the foam I have on my walls as I record this episode today. He even responded to a tweet about Casey Anthony discussing her wishes to help the wrongfully accused, asking if she helps wrongfully accused males.
5:54Alissa Turney:He seemed desperate to get his story out there any way he could, so like me, he began telling the story himself. The big difference is, only one of us is telling the truth. His videos talk about a lot of things, like his claim that after Alyssa was gone, he participated in a large protest in downtown Phoenix with other disgruntled parents of missing children who couldn't get phone records. And I'm certain that that never happened. He said he had records proving that the Phoenix PD killed a local journalist here named Don Bowles back in 1976, but that the police stole those records when they executed search warrants on her home.
6:38Alissa Turney:He actually almost never mentions Alyssa or her case, but he does talk a lot about me. He said that Alyssa dropped me on my head when I was a baby, And because of that, I never loved her. And everything I've ever done is purely for fame and money. He says that I helped the Phoenix police plant the pipe bombs in our house. Apparently, I was a teenage criminal mastermind. In fact, I'm apparently so powerful that according to him, I've had discussions with the CEOs of social media companies where I convinced them to suppress his content. When I first started watching his videos, the rants felt so familiar.
7:22Alissa Turney:The anger, talking through his teeth. It was a language I'm fluent in, but the target was very different now. Instead of the union, his parents, or his brother, it was me. And well, all of you who've stood behind me on this insane journey, at least all of the women. Here's just a small taste of what most of his videos sound like.
7:49Michael Turney:This video is not for Sarah's flock. She has warned you and told you to not speak to me or react because you are part of the flock. But keep in mind the warning comes with simply this. The witch hunters of America could get a petition signed having you arrested and all you need is a lying cop. It didn't help and stop the gender prejudice I continue to see. I just got denied some more VA benefits because of a radical female who saw this and rendered an opinion not based on science, not based on her expertise, but just hate. Because they convinced you through hateful superstitions that all stepfathers always muster stepdaughters.
8:41Michael Turney:They're using rumors in your windows and lights. Hell, that's 1692 Salem, Massachusetts. It's all over again. I can step out my door and be shot and killed by any person, convinced by this news media that I'm the most evil person on the planet. And I saw all this stuff. Hell, I can't even get the attention I used to get. There's a lot of fraud going on in reference, like automobile here in Apache Junction, Arizona. Can't get anybody. the FTC, Attorney General, of course, they don't do anything anyway. And that's usually, I'm certain she's considering who's the one I did. Even, what's it, 15 on your side or whatever hell it is, totally ignoring the fact that we've got older people just getting ripped off with auto repairs.
9:22Michael Turney:It gave them perfect examples to at least go look at, not even a word back, and there never will be, because we've already labeled me as a monster because of 24-7 media.
9:36Alissa Turney:So I just want to formally thank my flock for apparently doing some type of witchcraft over the justice system to get him arrested. Those were just some of the updates that I will definitely expand upon in the future. Now here's the hindsight. I take back what I said about being a brat in this episode. I wish I were brattier. When I listen to it now, I sound like a baby. I hear that fear in my voice and the lack of confidence. I remember shaking when I impulsively made this call to him and held my phone up to the microphone to record it. Such an audio pro. My voice is filled with a mix of that fear and hope for Alyssa's case that I cling to more desperately now.
10:22Alissa Turney:But I can see now that my inexperience, my fear, and my hope is really the magic of my first season about Alyssa. In this episode, I tell you that it's just an open and honest dialogue about her life and her case. And that's the truth. When I made this podcast, I didn't think anyone would listen. I had no idea what I was doing, but I could clearly see a future where my father was arrested for Alyssa's murder. It was like filling a piggy bank to buy something I really wanted. I just needed enough media to finally break her case. There was never a doubt in my mind that he would be arrested. Not once.
11:01Alissa Turney:And I wasn't wrong. But when the trial began, the clear image of justice I saw for Alyssa for so many years was noticeably absent. But that's a story for another day and another podcast. So much has changed since this episode came out, and I'm still working on Alyssa's new season to tell you everything that's happened since he was arrested. But good things take time, and it really feels like the developments in Alyssa's case just don't stop, like the search we're doing for her. So please bear with me, I promise it's coming. For now, here is the very first episode of Voices for Justice, featuring a very candid conversation with my father.
11:48Alissa Turney:And yes, I have remastered it to the best of my ability with the editing skills I've learned since that first episode came out nearly seven years ago now. Which truly feels more like a lifetime. If you're new to Alyssa's case, thank you for being here. you can find the rest of her story leading up to my father's 2020 arrest on season one of Voices for Justice. For all of you who've been with me for years now thank you for everything and I really hope that my next update is that this search resulted in bringing Alyssa home to rest in peace but as always thank you I love you and I'll talk to you next time.
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14:33Voices for Justice Host:Voices for Justice is a podcast that uses adult language and discusses sensitive and potentially triggering topics including violence, abuse, and murder. This podcast may not be appropriate for younger audiences. All parties are innocent until proven guilty in a court of law. Some names have been changed or omitted per their request or for safety purposes. Listener discretion is advised. My name is Sarah Turney, and this is Voices for Justice. I wanted to take some time and explain what I'm doing here and how all of this is going to work. This is a real-time podcast where I actively conduct interviews as I go.
15:12Voices for Justice Host:I'm going to do my best to try to keep the story in chronological order, but there may be some one-off episodes as opportunities come up and people feel more comfortable coming forward with information or to be interviewed. I'm going to start with my father's childhood and make my way to today. I will be featuring real stories from real people talking about what we saw, heard, and think happened in relation to Alyssa. Our conversations are casual, unscripted, and mostly off the cuff. This is an open dialogue about Alyssa and what happened to her. But for those of you not familiar with the story, I want to give you a brief overview of why I'm here today even recording this thing.
15:50Voices for Justice Host:My sister, Alyssa Turney, went missing from Phoenix, Arizona in 2001. It was the last day of her junior year in high school. She was 17 and I was 12. The case wasn't investigated until many years later when a convicted killer falsely confessed to killing Alyssa. After ruling out this confession, the police finally began to investigate Alyssa's case around 2008. Quickly, the police identified their only suspect, our father. Eventually, the police obtained a warrant to search my father's home for evidence of foul play in Alyssa's disappearance, but instead, they found 26 pipe bombs in addition to a large collection of guns and illegal silencers.
16:31Voices for Justice Host:They also found a document written by my father called The Diary of a Madman Martyr, where he outlined his plan to use these bombs and weapons to commit an act of domestic terrorism. He was sentenced to 10 years in prison. The police used this time to build their case and planned to prosecute my father for Alyssa's murder when he was released from his 10-year sentence. But then, they didn't prosecute at all, and they told me that my best chance was to get media exposure. And that's where I'm at, in desperate need of my voice to be loud enough to get her justice. I have been so fortunate to have the opportunity to tell Alyssa's story on so many platforms, and for it to have been analyzed by so many amazing people.
17:13Voices for Justice Host:But after hearing her story so many times from so many other people, I decided it was time to try it myself. So from start to finish, in excruciating detail, while I conduct my own version of an investigation, I will be telling Alyssa's story. But before I dig into the story, I'd like to stay in the present for just a moment, and let you hear my most recent conversation with my and Alyssa's father. Before you come for me, I want to be upfront and acknowledge that I know that I'm being manipulative and unkind to my father in this call. Unlike the first time we spoke, I was not prepared for this at all.
17:50Voices for Justice Host:I get very emotional, and I get very bratty. I also want to state that I do not take mental illness lightly, and I do not mean to offend anyone by what I say to my father. And I want to warn you that there is a lot of cursing and that the content is obviously of mature nature as we discuss death and sexual abuse. I've also removed some names. But without further delay, here's the most recent call with my father. Hey, it's Sarah. What's her? I said hey, it's Sarah. Sarah? Hey, how are you? I'm alright, how are you?
18:30Michael Turney:uh goodbye is everything alright?
18:35Voices for Justice Host:yeah um everything's fine um I went to a thing this weekend and um I said I went to a thing this weekend where I was talking about Alyssa and um the producer from 2020 came up to me and asked if we wanted to come back on
18:58Michael Turney:who's your good? 2020.
19:29Voices for Justice Host:Alright, well I thought it was worth asking. Alright. Alright. I wish you could keep in touch.
19:35Michael Turney:I just knew we'd do it on a plan. I don't know why.
19:38Voices for Justice Host:What?
19:39Michael Turney:I miss you. Love you.
19:42Voices for Justice Host:I mean, my whole life is Alyssa, Dad. Like, I have four jobs, and three of them are Alyssa.
19:51Michael Turney:Alright, maybe something will come. I hope it doesn't. Thank you for doing that. At least somebody in the family is keeping it up.
20:00Voices for Justice Host:While the other half, like, totally won't let me do anything, yeah. I mean, it's pretty messed up.
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20:07Michael Turney:Well, they won't let me do anything. They've already said this. I can't get any information. So, I mean, I guess from you, it's very important to me. I'm trying to unwind all the stuff that happened to me before.
20:23Voices for Justice Host:But it's not. I mean, if it was important to you, you would do it. I mean, you're choosing to stay out of the limelight, which I understand why. I mean, it's pretty obvious what happened, and nobody's going to be on your side, and I get it, but don't act like you care about it.
20:38Michael Turney:I don't need anybody on my side, Sarah. I know what I did, and I know what I didn't do. I know how much energy I spent on stuff. And I've heard all kinds of stuff all throughout the years and stuff. But nobody fully understood Alyssa, how she was, the problem she had. You weren't even born the first time we had to take Alyssa to Merck, too. You know, you got a direct, you know, no, CPS took Alyssa away from us. You got to go down and get her back.
21:06Voices for Justice Host:They also took me away from you guys, too. I mean, you had a few kids taken away from CPS. I mean, it's kind of indicative of behavior. I don't know what to say about that.
21:16Michael Turney:You know, like, how many are just a long, long list of stuff, you know, like that? I always feel sick. I think you remember some of the events, you know, the time the neighborhood was looking for Alyssa and all the other various things. I mean, just to see so that people can understand that, you know, when the police cop said that Alyssa didn't have any kind of a learning disability. She didn't. She didn't.
21:40Voices for Justice Host:She had a better memory than I did, and we know it.
21:44Michael Turney:No, honey, she did.
21:47Voices for Justice Host:In what capacity? She performed well at school? She performed well at work?
21:51Michael Turney:You know, that doesn't mean she couldn't function on some stuff, Sarah, but she couldn't count her, throw her out, all that stuff. It was her first job.
22:05Voices for Justice Host:Yeah, just because I was semi-advanced doesn't mean that she was stupid. She also just didn't like homework like every other teenager. But, I mean, that's not the point. I mean, I'm just, I just wanted to call and see because I know it's going to come up. And, I mean, I'm going to do the update of 2020. I'm going to do everything I can get my hands on, which I've had a lot of really good opportunities from this last weekend.
22:29Michael Turney:I mean, it's about to hit a new level.
22:34Michael Turney:Okay, hi. It is good to hear your voice, though.
22:41Voices for Justice Host:But why? I mean, I don't get why it's good to hear my voice. I mean, I've been destroyed by this.
22:47Michael Turney:Because I love you, Sarah. I'm sorry if you get yourself destroyed by it, Sarah. You don't love me.
22:51Voices for Justice Host:You would have called me once in the past two years had you loved me. You don't check on me. You don't even want to see your dog. Teddy's in the last stages of his life. Like, you don't care.
23:03Michael Turney:Sarah, we discussed that. She said you didn't want to talk to me unless I wanted to admit that I did something to Alyssa. That's what she told me at the last meeting we had.
23:11Voices for Justice Host:Okay, but what do normal parents do?
23:13Michael Turney:You don't think I want to call you, Sarah? The first thing, any time that Rhett calls or Mike calls, or even when I talked to John the last time, post-mortem or stuff like that, first question I asked you heard from Sarah I always do that Sarah but I'm not going to call you and upset you even worse because you think I did something to Alyssa I'm not going to do that Sarah that's provable you need to work this through yourself and eventually I hope that one day you'll come through and realize you know what I made Sarah was stepping into too big a thing with the union if I could get any form of evidence to prove we did something cool.
23:56Michael Turney:I said, believe me, I would be pushing you as hard as I can. I mean, most I can prove right now is the judge that heard my case was appointed by Klapp. And I got a letter from Bob Stump saying that he was tied to the union problem, and they apologized to me for all the trouble I had with the union. I mean, that's as far as I can get. As far as I'm not what you're doing, I think about Teddy all the time. I think about Barley. But, you know, do I have a right to come in and upset you? because you obviously got to touch every time you talked to me, Sarah. I don't want to hurt you. I love you. I want to see you be happy, but I don't know what else to do.
24:33Michael Turney:That's why I asked you those questions, Sarah. Would you be able to, all of your life, if I did this, and go up and get me a gas chamber or whatever the hell I do to people like that, would that get you back from track somewhere, Sarah? Because my life's already done, Sarah. If I've got a dozen years left.
24:49Voices for Justice Host:Then if it's done, just come out and say what happened. You know what I mean? Yes, yes, that would get my life back on track. My God, it would be the key to everything.
24:58Michael Turney:There's nothing to confess to. Nothing happened. That's what you're, you know, you're not getting it.
25:03Voices for Justice Host:Then why did a neighbor come out and say that you told them Alyssa was on vacation with our aunts in California? What? A neighbor just recently came out and said that you told them that Alyssa was on vacation and that she would be back. Other people came out and said that she left with a biker, that she was at the movies. There's a million different stories that came from you. So why you're running around telling people different stories after she left is pretty fucking suspicious. I mean, I don't need to go into everything. You are a very smart man. And you raised me to do what's good. And it's backfiring on you.
25:40Voices for Justice Host:And it is what it is.
25:45Voices for Justice Host:Who cares about the union? I'm not talking about the union. talking about your daughter who you can't say a kind fucking word about nobody talks about their missing kid like you do all you do is talk about how stupid she was and how sexual she was and all the trouble she got in nobody talks about their kid like that when they go missing she was not
26:05Michael Turney:stupid what do you say that for i've never said elisa was stupid dad there's a video of you
26:12Voices for Justice Host:calling her a stupid moron.
26:14Michael Turney:Your mother and I hired a tutor for her because she couldn't do any VCs. That doesn't... So what? We didn't hire that for people. You used to have receipts, but the stuff you sent me, it's not in there.
26:31Voices for Justice Host:Who cares if you hired a tutor? It doesn't matter if she was great in school or she wasn't great at school. That has nothing to do with anything.
26:42Michael Turney:It has a lot to do with everything, Sarah. Alyssa, as you and she used to fight, Sarah, that she thought I favored each one of you different. She thought I favored you because I let you do whatever you wanted to do because you made good decisions. And you thought that I was favoring her. I didn't favor her, Sarah. Alyssa had to do what? Because she made really, really bad decisions.
27:03Voices for Justice Host:Like smoking pot and drinking like I did at the age of, like, 12?
27:09Michael Turney:I don't remember all those things, Sarah. I guess you remember you were a good kid.
27:12Voices for Justice Host:Dad, you literally knocked on my door and said, towel under the door doesn't work. When I was, like, 16. Don't you remember, like, coming over and getting pissed that you were letting me smoke weed in the house?
27:24Michael Turney:It's absurd because I let your boyfriend come in there and act whatever it was and everything, but I was so afraid you were going along, I was scared to death. And I couldn't handle that. You know, I made a lot of bad decisions, a whole bunch of them later on. It was hoping that you could get your act together. Okay? So the reason why I got everybody together, including the cops, to go over and get you away from this guy, because you just were too young to be running off with somebody like this guy.
27:50Voices for Justice Host:No, I get it. I was totally wild and out of control, but you went on the podcast and told them that I was lying and that I wasn't out of control.
28:00Michael Turney:Well, I don't really mean being out of control, other than that one time with that guy.
28:04Voices for Justice Host:Other than running away to my boyfriend's house when I was 15 years old?
28:09Michael Turney:You just turned 16, I believe. you had a valid driver's license. Hey, cool. You're going to, you know, when he and I had the scuffle there because everyone came to get the car reduced, you know, you were talking about running away and all that stuff. I mean, you know, that's the only time that I remember anything that bad at all, Sarah. I don't remember the rest of the stuff you keep coming up with and doing drugs and everything like that. Now, why? Yeah. I ignored that.
28:36Voices for Justice Host:Or the time when me and Sarah walked in the house and you said, you guys really want to get fucked up? take these and you gave us Oxycontin and we threw up all night?
28:45Michael Turney:Excuse me a minute, the time what?
28:47Voices for Justice Host:Me and T-Walked in the house, and I'm sure we were drunk or high or something, and you said, do you guys really want to get fucked up? And you handed us each our first Oxycontin and we threw up all night. Oh, sorry.
29:00Michael Turney:I don't remember that one either, sir. I don't, you know, the one I remember that had the news drugs on and off, and that's the only one somebody would give them to her. I mean, the guy next door, when we still had no delivery to drive, he's the one that gave Alyssa the bottle, whatever the hell he is.
29:14Voices for Justice Host:Again, just pot. Nothing that isn't legal in half the states now. You know what I mean? And you said, like, I remember growing up and you said that you didn't like...
29:25Michael Turney:Why is it so important that you trying to convince people that you were a bad kid? You weren't a bad kid.
29:30Voices for Justice Host:It's not about me being a bad kid. It's about how differently we were treated. Alyssa was like demonized for drinking and smoking pot and it was absolutely nothing to you when I did it
29:42Michael Turney:she wasn't demonized for any of that stuff what happened is the fact that Alyssa would go off the deep end if you were doing drugs all the time and I just missed it you didn't act that normal I didn't have to go get you I didn't have to do all kinds of stuff
29:59Voices for Justice Host:me being up at 4am and presenting you a poster that me and my friends worked on all night of Elvis? That's not weird? You didn't think that we were on some type of drug that kept us up all night? Are you kidding?
30:10Michael Turney:I don't know, Sarah. I really don't. I remember the time when I had to take her boyfriend home because Alyssa got into my, what was it called, halcyon, the sleeping medication. You know, I just like, you know.
30:21Voices for Justice Host:You gave me your pills my whole life. Like, you gave me like triazolam starting in like fourth grade when I couldn't remember. It was like every time I started a new year at school, I took my little bath bomb and then you gave me a triazolam and it would help me sleep. Like, I mean, I don't see what the difference is between her getting into your pills and then you just literally giving them to me. Neither do I.
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33:12Voices for Justice Host:I mean, again, I'm not, like, we don't need to hash everything out. It's not worth it because we're never going to come to the same spot. I think we both know what it is, but I just had to call and ask because, I mean, if you really want to advocate for Alyssa, then you should do that. That would be really, really great because it's just me alone. And, yeah, I don't know what to answer when people say, why doesn't family help you? Because it's shitty and it's pretty obvious, and I can't protect everybody forever. Nobody protected me, so I don't really care anymore.
33:46Michael Turney:Well, you know, because of this session with this firm.
33:50Voices for Justice Host:Yeah, I mean, this destroyed our family, Dad. It destroyed all six of the children. All six of the children destroyed. I can't talk to any of them. I haven't talked to him in, what, like almost six months now? I wasn't invited to his kid's birthday party. Do you know how much I cried that day?
34:07Michael Turney:Neither, sir.
34:09Voices for Justice Host:That's kind of hard to believe, I'm sure. I'm sure you've seen them a lot more than I have lately.
34:13Michael Turney:No, sir, I can't do anything.
34:15Voices for Justice Host:I mean, what about...
34:16Michael Turney:Sure, I'm not going to run in here with the CNN and their wild-ass story and expect anyone to sit back and raise their hands up and say, I'm glad you're out now. They painted me to be the biggest monster on the planet, and they were wrong.
34:32Voices for Justice Host:Well, you plan to kill a bunch of people, so, I mean, what do you expect?
34:40Michael Turney:What do I expect? you wouldn't really want to believe it and they're not going to do anything about it anyway. So I'm just trying to straighten out the thing that the last one has to do with Alyssa and I've also wrote letters to the Trump administration and to other people because he seems to want to listen about a few things. See if there's any way in the world I can get somebody's ear to listen. We need to take care of some stuff and people look at what's said by the various other people about what was going on in the Stanford's life.
35:14Voices for Justice Host:What do you mean? Sure.
35:18Michael Turney:We knew there when we testified he told you he remembered the house he shot at.
35:23Voices for Justice Host:Yeah, and I talk about that. I talk about that. If you listen, I say my brothers verify that some of those things happened. I do not, like, omit facts that make me look better. I bring everything to the table and say that's why it's so confusing and that's why I was so confused as a child and that's why it took me so long to understand what really happened. I don't omit any of that. I talk about the good times. People ask about my relationship with you and I say I was a daddy's grill. We played music together. We sang together. We did movies. He gave me 7-Up and grilled cheese. He was the best dad I could have ever asked for.
35:57Voices for Justice Host:I had candy at midnight if I wanted. I could eat McDonald's for dinner every night. Went to school when I wanted to. You were my best friend. I thought you were the freaking coolest. And I don't go on there and say everything was horrible and you abused me because that's not the fucking truth.
36:14Voices for Justice Host:I'm not demonizing you. I'm presenting facts and people come to their own conclusion. I was the last of your six children to think you fucking did this.
36:25Voices for Justice Host:Like, literally when I came around, all my brothers were like, yeah, yeah, pretty much that's what happened. I was the last one and the one fighting the hardest. Yeah.
36:44Voices for Justice Host:but i mean you and can have your relationship and pretend like everything's fine that's that's you know your prerogative a blood means so much to you guys it's disgusting like honestly like the pact you guys have is really really gross it's the same pact you had with your brother and the same pact you have with your sister the reason aunt norma called me and alissa when we or kids and told us that we were fucking killing you. It's disgusting. Like, it just... Base people off merit, not their fucking blood. You know, that's a concept.
37:19Michael Turney:I just wish you could somehow get a whole of everything and not just totally go your whole life away.
37:28Voices for Justice Host:What do you mean, Dad? How are... How are... I am getting my information from Mike and from Rhett. Rhett went on 2020 and said what happened. I'm getting my information from... You think I'm gonna lie? I don't know if I've ever told a lie in her fucking life. Sure, I talked to Rhett on different occasions. He has never once shared what you said with me. It's on ABC 2020. He didn't share it with me either.
38:05Voices for Justice Host:I wonder why.
38:07Michael Turney:Because they cared too much.
38:16Voices for Justice Host:About what?
38:18Michael Turney:about the affidavit to get into the house i was cooperating they lied about it you weren't if you didn't give dna you weren't cooperating what parent in their right mind with a missing child refuses to give dna what's your motivation why why didn't you want to give dna what did you have to lose if you didn't do it gosh sheesh there are you and john were down there with me when i offered the DNA and the woman said you're not her biological father that woman detective said
38:48Voices for Justice Host:that right there so who cares so when they come back to you 10 years later why do you say no
38:53Michael Turney:I didn't say no that's another lie they told Sarah I didn't say no to DNA I told them anytime they want to do this it's not a problem and then when they were what does Vinnie Anderson say he bought a lie detector test I said fine you take it first because someone broke in my house came to my dog door. Was that you, Anderson, looking for something? Somebody went over my fence and court to the neighbors. You know, what are you doing?
39:19Voices for Justice Host:That was my boyfriend and you know it. We talked about that.
39:22Michael Turney:I don't have a clue what it was there, to be honest with you. You know, what I do know is the fact that you know, a lot of stuff, the police officers put it in to get the warmth of the lie.
39:32Voices for Justice Host:Well, I mean, you said you'd go on with a polygraph. I will polygraph if you want a polygraph. I will fucking go under any test you want me to if you're willing to talk to me.
39:42Michael Turney:it's not about you and me, you've always got a bunch of stuff stuck in your head.
39:49Voices for Justice Host:No, Dad, it's memories. I'm reconciling myself. In what fucking world did you need that camera in the vent? In what fucking world did any of that happen? That you needed to put all the rules on poster boards on the wall. Like, that's extreme, and it's fucking weird, and it's abusive. Like...
40:13Michael Turney:I'm gonna love you, that's all I can tell you.
40:16Voices for Justice Host:Well, you want me to reconcile it, but you won't help me. You're just telling me to fuck off and go figure it out on my own. You won't help me talk through it all.
40:26Michael Turney:We have, Sarah. When you come and told me what you thought of me, and you want to see me go to prison, and I'm thinking my daughter wants me to go to prison, for what?
40:38Voices for Justice Host:For taking away my only fucking mother and my sister.
40:42Michael Turney:Because my ambition with your sister so she wouldn't get kicked out of school or go to prison because of her learning disability. Because she had ADD that I didn't diagnose. Third grade teacher did that, along with Ken Newman, who was the principal.
40:57Voices for Justice Host:Well, PV High School thought that her grades were good enough that they gave her an honorary diploma and honored her at her graduation ceremony in May, in which I attended alone. So, wonderful family that's so supportive of Alyssa. really really sweet.
41:12Michael Turney:Melissa was going to get her to cover regardless Sarah.
41:15Voices for Justice Host:No you didn't think so.
41:17Michael Turney:Her graduating flatness right Sarah because they say she would have to pass the A test and I said you're not going to do that to her or any of these other kids who have learning disabilities. Have them go through four years of school and give them a different color diploma or no diploma because they can't pass an entrance level for a junior college class. You're not going to do that to my daughter. You understand? That's what I told them. That was part of the lawsuit, Sarah. And we went ahead and bagged down and said, no, this is class. It's not going to have to take this test in order to graduate from high school.
41:51Voices for Justice Host:You had a million different.
41:53Michael Turney:Nobody remembers that. But these are things that are on the docket, Sarah. This is in the courts.
41:59Voices for Justice Host:Yep.
42:00Michael Turney:All this stuff is there. The fact that this ain't about a list of being tested and being ADD, Sarah, that is there.
42:07Voices for Justice Host:It is there. Who tested her, Dr. Mattson? Because that's what I read What? That Dr. Mattson was involved in that
42:17Michael Turney:And what? He had nothing to do about that Melissa had some Growing up things That she wanted to talk to him about So I went and learned Just like I let you want to talk about it And he never discussed what you guys talked about
42:33Voices for Justice Host:I find that really hard to believe
42:36Michael Turney:I don't I know Mattson when it comes to that He said, I don't have a problem with your kids. You want me to talk to your children and John and the rest of the stuff? He said, but I'm not going to reveal anything to you unless it might involve that they might hurt themselves or someone else. That's exactly what he said. Word to word. You guys should have been on fire on one of those tape recordings. I tape everybody because I didn't trust anybody. I want to come to my kids.
43:04Voices for Justice Host:Well, I've definitely inherited that from you. I don't trust anybody and I tape everybody too.
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44:35Michael Turney:That's what the chief of police obviously saw whenever I wrote that six-page letter, Sarah. He went back, whoever, I think it was a female, whatever it was. They looked at this, they came back and said, you know what? Things ain't adding up. And I'll guarantee they gave those two police officers a lie detector test. And I know for a fact that Anderson couldn't pass the lie detector test. God was standing next to him because he's a lying little bastard. And that's true. He wanted in that house. He didn't care how he got in there. Why did he want in that house that Alyssa never lived in? bunch of crap all it did Sarah by 2003 the Phoenix PD who was reclining me about getting a list of DNA into the NCIC they didn't want her dental records I'm pushing all this stuff since 2003
45:25Voices for Justice Host:yeah because you reported her well I mean I would love to see that documentation because the way that you reported her was not the way that someone with legal law enforcement background would report their daughter to evoke any type of search. You were like, yeah, no, she went to her aunt's house. Like, I'm sure she'll be back.
45:43Michael Turney:She wanted a car. We're going to go to a full-dip discussion about my mental illness, Sarah.
45:47Voices for Justice Host:No, you can't blame it on your mental illness. I don't give a shit. If you were well enough to get up and do more pull-ups than I can do to this day in my being 30 years old, I don't care. I spend a lot of time trying to cater to your mental illness, And you cannot use that as a fucking crutch. Because you are smart. You have always been fucking smart. And you know exactly what you did. And you know exactly what you're doing. And you're not going to make me feel sorry for you. You destroyed my life.
46:18Michael Turney:I don't want your sympathy. Yes, you do.
46:21Voices for Justice Host:You want all your kids' sympathy. That's why you're like, oh, I won't be able to see my grandkids. I don't care.
46:26Michael Turney:The only thing I want from my children is the love that I hope to be here to retain. But because of CNN and...
46:32Voices for Justice Host:You think I have a capacity to fucking feel love or to fucking trust anybody?
46:37Michael Turney:Well, things tore apart, Sarah. Everything is tore apart, and it's because of me. Because those two cops came in and decided, no matter what goes on, I'm going to go ahead and work towards my own conclusions and assumptions that this man did this. And then when it all came down to roll the lookout, even the FBI was a little bit stand back about what was going on. Believe me, if there was anything close to something like that, Sarah, when the fed went ahead and sent me a 10th year I'll guarantee you that they would pursue even farther than that if it was Jenny E they're the ones that do know they're the ones that do know there was a problem with that union all of her nuclear power plant all that stuff they know that that's the reason why Congressman Bob Stump wrote that letter because he knew how deep I stepped into and endangered my family then why haven't they come after me
47:31Voices for Justice Host:I got a big old target on my head. I'm writing the news all the time.
47:36Michael Turney:Let me ask you something, Sarah. Did you ever really think why I called you and got you underholds to justify whether or not you saw any plastic pipe bombs or anything else in that house like that? Yeah, because you knew I didn't see it and because you needed someone to be a character witness for you,
47:55Voices for Justice Host:which is also why you asked me to ask every one of my friends ever to write you letters also. It's the same reason asked me to write a letter for CPS when her baby was born to drugs like because you need somebody to fucking back you up
48:07Michael Turney:Well, they were negotiating That smart ass one that made fun of Jeffrey Williams He said that's what you get for taking on a nutcase over a mountain He said in the meeting we had there with everybody else trying to negotiate this thing He bargained it out. Well plastic pipe bombs are found in a house. Somebody's got to go to prison.
48:32Voices for Justice Host:Yeah.
48:34Michael Turney:That's what he said?
48:34Voices for Justice Host:When you make a bunch of pipe bombs, you go to prison. That's the way it works. Yeah, well.
48:41Michael Turney:So I'm going to stand up and say, yeah, well, hell, it wasn't me.
48:46Voices for Justice Host:You understand that you take no responsibility for anything ever? I'm fucking not fair.
48:55Michael Turney:You don't.
48:59Michael Turney:Dad, it's all your kids.
49:01Voices for Justice Host:It's not just me. Just because Mike and John and Rhett don't, and James don't vocalize it like I do, I do. We all think the same thing. And again, I was the last one to come around. It took them telling me what they saw for me to come around.
49:15Michael Turney:You all think the same thing And what is that for?
49:20Voices for Justice Host:Dad, stop You fucking know I can't be tricked by your games Because I'm not enveloped I'm not around your finger like I'm not gonna fucking give I don't give a shit You didn't raise me Like I had no parents What loyalty do I have to you? Thank you for putting a roof over my head Thank you for spoiling me And giving me material possessions I really appreciate that However, I can't
49:43Michael Turney:I fucking can't You said I was a great dad Now you're saying that you didn't have a dad?
49:49Voices for Justice Host:I didn't. No, you were a friend. Did I have a dad who made me go to school or do my homework? No. That's not apparent. You were a friend. And not a very good one when I look back on it. That's why I say I didn't realize I was such a daddy's girl. Dad, when I'm eight, am I supposed to say, hey, maybe I shouldn't have McDonald's for dinner every night? In what fucking world does that happen? No, I say, oh my God, you're the coolest. You see, Sarah, when you talk this way, you sound like, you know, that you're a victim here and all this other stuff.
50:22Michael Turney:You've got a place to stay. You've got a chance to finish high school. You chose not to. You gave your word to me, and you kept it. And if I let you quit high school, okay, that you would go on to get your degree. Now, did you do that?
50:36Voices for Justice Host:No fucking thanks to anyone but myself. I sure fucking did.
50:40Michael Turney:There you go, honey. There's nothing wrong with being a self-made person, Sarah. Nothing wrong with that at all. okay that's i'm just saying that i'm not going to be wrapped around your finger like your other
50:51Voices for Justice Host:kids but all your other kids even if they don't have the balls to say to your face they believed it before i did dad
51:01Voices for Justice Host:james is on 2020 talking about it you think aren't fucking tight-knit as shit they are and they believe the same fucking things it's just too much of a daddy's boy to tell you And I get it. I get why he loves you and wants to have you in his life, and I'm trying not to fault him for that, but don't take that as him not believing you did it, because he does.
51:23Michael Turney:I'm not believing that you did it, though.
51:25Voices for Justice Host:That's, if you weren't, if you really weren't at that birthday party, that would be the reason why. There's a reason that he's not just inviting you back into his life.
51:46Voices for Justice Host:dad if it was just a divorce you would be there everybody gets divorced that wasn't the reason you know that and i'm too smart to believe your shit and you should know that too
52:03Voices for Justice Host:no it's not you don't love me don't act like you fucking do
52:17Voices for Justice Host:so why at the age of like 15 did alissa worry about me and her being separated because she was going to go to cps in what normal world does that come up if she wasn't being abused
52:28Michael Turney:What are you talking about?
52:29Voices for Justice Host:I'm talking about a dozen letters that I've read from her friends where she's crying her eyes out saying, Home life is bad, I want to tell you, but my dad says that me and my little sister are going to be separated. That's not an idea that a kid just thinks of. That's an idea that's planted in somebody's head by somebody who wants her to shut the fuck up.
52:56Michael Turney:I mean, I don't know what I can do for you. I mean, you've just put yourself into a hell of a mess. And, you know, you're trying to somehow...
53:03Voices for Justice Host:I didn't put myself in a hell of a mess.
53:06Michael Turney:For the sake of it, sir, don't you think... Nobody in the family, when we were all together, Sarah, would have just talked anywhere near all of it. Now, let's see anything they were doing, for one reason only. to her because Alyssa never kept the secret on anything. She told the whole neighborhood what was going on. Yes, she did. Are you going to tell me that she went through all this stuff and at least didn't share it with her old sister?
53:32Voices for Justice Host:No, because I was her younger fucking sister and I was wrapped around your goddamn thumb. She knew I would have ran right to you and told you and I definitely fucking would have. There's a reason you showed me the camera in the vent because you knew I wouldn't tell her because I was on your side.
53:51What? Jesus, Sarah.
54:05Michael Turney:About what, Sarah?
54:12Michael Turney:It's from two different perspectives that we have.
54:14Voices for Justice Host:No, it's not. Okay. Well, okay. So the thing is, like, if you want to advocate for Alyssa, you should do it but don't sit there and say that you want to because you're not so you pick one or the other you know what I mean like if you really want to advocate like you going on anything would get so much exposure for her case it would be unreal that could really be the key to getting somebody to come forward if they did see something if I am wrong which I hope I fucking am I really hope I am I don't think I'm wrong and most people don't think I'm wrong, but if I'm so wrong and you want to advocate and you want to find answers, then put your fucking face out there so that somebody comes forward.
54:54Voices for Justice Host:You doing an interview is going to get more fucking publicity than me doing a thousand interviews combined.
55:01Michael Turney:Well, sir, when you play this tape back, I want you to listen to yourself very consistent and all the other stuff. Okay? I mean, only I can tell you is the fact that I love you. But honey, you're beating on the wrong drum somewhere. I mean, you got it all wrong.
55:16Voices for Justice Host:No, so why won't you advocate for her? If you really want somebody to come forward and find out what happened to your kid, and you don't care.
55:22Michael Turney:I already have, Sarah. I spent 10 years in prison, they say, because of Alyssa. Okay? Because I had moms and I was going to blow up the whole world.
55:31Voices for Justice Host:You didn't serve one day because of Alyssa. Mm-mm. That was your shit.
55:36Michael Turney:Well, you're wrong on that part.
55:38Voices for Justice Host:So don't say you want to advocate and then not do it. Just be honest. That's all I'm doing.
55:43Michael Turney:I'm not going to do another interview, Sarah. You're going to play this on the podcast. You're going to try and do all kinds of other stuff, sir. But trust me, it is not. It's not going to do any good whatsoever other than the fact it's going to keep burying you to a point, sir, as soon as or later. Because right now you've even got a conflict in your own mind, sir, about whether I did something or not because you never saw anything.
56:05Voices for Justice Host:I have no fucking conflict. Please know that I have no conflict. And you stating that is not going to create some conflict inside of me. I am not I cannot be manipulated by you I have a fucking force field around me
56:21Michael Turney:I'm not going to be using you Sarah I've left you alone hoping you'll burn this thing out or work this thing out
56:27Voices for Justice Host:No, you left me alone and isolated me from my fucking family hoping that I would be so sad and desperate that I'd come back
56:33Michael Turney:Honey, you're not going to blame that on me You've isolated yourself from the family
56:38Voices for Justice Host:Because of you
56:40Michael Turney:Because of me
56:54Voices for Justice Host:Well, if you love Alyssa, please advocate for her like a normal parent with a missing child would do because that would look a lot less suspicious. I didn't ask for... I know you will never confess. I know you'll never confess. I'm just asking you to advocate. then you tell your story. Then tell your story. Because that's going to get more views for Alyssa and that's the end game.
57:29So, what do you think?
57:31Voices for Justice Host:He sounds kind of convincing at times, doesn't he? Maybe you were expecting me to use this.
57:36Michael Turney:Be there at the deathbed, sir, and I'll give you all the understandings you want to hear.
57:42Voices for Justice Host:Or this.
57:43Michael Turney:Hit the red button. Dad!
57:45Voices for Justice Host:On the cookie! Dad! Dad! Dad's a pervert. Or maybe even that I would release his other offer to confess. I will release all of that in due time, but I want to give this story a chance to unfold naturally and really give you a never-before-seen look into this case without dramatizing it like crazy. Again, this is about creating an open, honest dialogue about Alyssa and compiling stories by those who knew her. However, I will give you a sneak peek of what's coming up on this season of Voices for Justice. I think she probably took an end of the abuse so that you would never have to experience it.
58:28Voices for Justice Host:That was her ultimate goal, I feel like, was to make sure that you, she took it all from him so that you didn't have to. So what she suspects now, at this point, was that he maybe dropped one of his antics in her drink.
58:44Michael Turney:Her words were that he raised her. I mean, if we break that down and I'm not a teenager, your father took me to lunch to ask me if I would help him hire a prostitute to hit on your boyfriend to get you guys to break up.
59:03Voices for Justice Host:What do you remember from the time after? because that's like a time period that was really really dark for me like i don't think i've had a
59:08Michael Turney:worst period of my life yeah yet like you were there for that like that was the darkest time i've ever gone through was when my dad went to prison yeah that was well i mean and rightfully so that was when you believed him 100 to be innocent no you were daddy's girl which rightfully
59:26Voices for Justice Host:so anybody would be you know and then yeah yeah i don't get offended by it yeah i know but uh it was
59:31Michael Turney:just, I don't know, you definitely got, it was very, like you said, it was a very dark time for you. There's a few scary moments that happened, you know what I mean? Um, yeah. It was crazy. Yeah.
59:47Voices for Justice Host:You're, like, tearing up a little bit. Yeah, no, it was bad. Mike Turney killed your sister. Yeah. Without a doubt. And you know, the fact that I, that you and I both didn't tell you about that. To this day, to literally right now. It's been over 15 years. It's a manipulation. Yeah, like, so it's just very interesting how he was able to convince us to both keep that a secret. Dude, he's so believable. Mm-hmm. He's really smart. He's a really smart person. He's a master manipulator. I will say that.
1:00:28Alissa Turney:voices for justice is hosted produced and edited by me sarah turney if you want to learn more about
1:00:34Voices for Justice Host:alissa's story and how you can help with the case visit justice for alissa.com and if you love the show it would really help if you gave me a rating and review in your podcast player thank you so much and i'll talk to you next time
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In this replay, I’m revisiting the case of my missing sister, Alissa Turney, beginning with a 2019 phone call between me and our father, Michael Turney the only person of interest in her case with added context, updates, and a bit of reflection.
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