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Voices for Justice - Episode Summary: Joseph Augustus Zarelli
Podcast Overview Podcast Title: Voices for Justice Host: Sarah Turney Description: A true crime podcast focusing on the stories of victims, encouraging listeners to be voices for justice.
Episode Details Episode Title: Joseph Augustus Zarelli Air Date: October 2023 Episode Synopsis: This episode discusses the tragic case of Joseph Augustus Zarelli, a four-year-old boy whose remains were found in 1957. His identity remained unknown for over 60 years, sparking a nationwide search and becoming one of Philadelphia's most notorious cases. Recent technological advancements led to his identification, and the pursuit of his killer continues.
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Key Points
Introduction to Joseph's Case
- Background: Joseph Augustus Zarelli was born on January 13, 1953, in Philadelphia. He was the son of Mary Elizabeth Abel and Augustus J. Zarelli.
- Discovery of Remains: Joseph's body was discovered in a cardboard box on February 26, 1957, in Northeast Philadelphia. His remains showed signs of abuse and neglect.
The Investigation
- Initial Discovery: His remains were found by a hunter and a college student, neither of whom reported the find immediately.
- Medical Examination: Dr. Joseph Spellman noted multiple bruises and malnutrition. Joseph's death was classified as homicide.
- Forensics from the 1950s: Investigators faced challenges due to limited forensic technologies. Joseph's fingerprints were taken and compared to numerous records without success.
Clues and Leads
- Physical Evidence: Items found near Joseph included a blue corduroy hat, a multi-colored blanket, and a cardboard box with specific shipping information.
- Community Outreach: The police distributed hundreds of thousands of flyers and sought public assistance, but tips were scarce.
- Funeral and Burial: A funeral was held for Joseph in July 1957, with detectives serving as pallbearers. He was buried as an unidentified child.
The Role of Advances in Technology
- 1990s Developments: The case experienced a revival with new DNA technology, but leads remained unfruitful until the late 2010s.
- Identification of Joseph: In December 2022, genetic genealogists successfully identified Joseph using advanced DNA analysis. His headstone was subsequently updated to reflect his name.
Current Status of the Investigation
- Ongoing Investigation: Despite Joseph's identification, his murder remains unsolved. Law enforcement has stated they have potential suspects but will not disclose further information.
- Community Support: Joseph’s grave receives regular visitors, and there are ongoing efforts to raise awareness about his case.
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Call to Action
- Sarah invites listeners to share Joseph's story and encourage anyone with information to come forward. She emphasizes the importance of keeping the discussion alive to support ongoing investigations and honor the memory of Joseph.
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Conclusion The case of Joseph Augustus Zarelli highlights the tragic reality of child abuse and the complexities of long-standing unsolved murders. It emphasizes the need for community involvement in seeking justice and recognizing the humanity of victims who have been forgotten.
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Notes
- This episode serves as a reminder of the power of technological advancements in solving cold cases and the enduring impact of community support in the pursuit of justice.
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Transcript
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2:15Today, I'm discussing the case of Joseph Augustus Zarelli. When Joseph's remains were discovered in 1957, the city of Philadelphia was horrified. He was only four years old, and his identity was unknown at that time. Hundreds of thousands of flyers with his photos were sent all across the country, and his case became one, if not the most notorious in the city's history. But now, investigators have his name and are still working hard to find his killer. This is the case of Joseph Augustus Zarelli. Joseph was born on January 13, 1953, likely in the Philadelphia, Pennsylvania area. His mother was Mary Elizabeth Abel, but went by Betsy, and his father was Augustus J.
3:06Zarelli, and he went by Gus. Betsy was 21 years old and working in theater when Joseph came along, and she'd previously had a daughter three years prior, who was placed for adoption. It's not clear if Gus ever knew that Betsy was pregnant or that Joseph was born It's also unclear who took care of Joseph or if Betsy had maybe also placed him for adoption But we do know that both Betsy and Gus lived and stayed in the Philadelphia area until they passed away But they didn't appear to have a relationship Unfortunately, not much is known about Joseph or his short life But we do know that he had blue eyes and brown hair He lived near the intersection of 61st and Market Streets in West Philadelphia, and he had several half-siblings, some from Gus and some from Betsy.
3:58In a press conference about Joseph's case, Danielle Outlaw, the commissioner for the Philadelphia Police Department, or PPD, said, quote, In his very short life, it was apparent that this child experienced horrors that no one, no one should ever be subjected to, end quote. We also know that when he was killed, or even just appeared to be missing from whatever family and neighborhood he was being raised in, it was never reported to the police, despite him only being four years old. When Joseph's body was found, this also wasn't reported to the police at first. Not just once, but twice. The first person that we know of to find Joseph was a hunter who was checking his illegal animal traps.
4:45This was in a neighborhood in northeast Philadelphia called Fox Chase, specifically on Susquehanna Road. At the time, it was a wooded area with a lot of weeds and shrubs that was often used for hunting and as a dumping ground. This hunter sees what appears to be a deceased child partially concealed in a box, but he doesn't report it at this time out of fear for being caught for his illegal traps. The second person who found Joseph in this area was a 26-year-old LaSalle College student. According to reporting by several reporters at the Philadelphia Inquirer, he wouldn't report what he found until two days later, on February 26, 1957.
5:27This was prompted by a news report that he'd seen about a 4-year-old girl named Mary Jane Baker. She'd gone missing from a nearby town and was presumed to have been kidnapped. He thought that maybe the child he saw in the box was her, so he finally called it in. Now, he told investigators that he initially stopped in the area after seeing a rabbit run into the woods. He said he was concerned for the rabbit, and then he saw what he thought may have been a doll in a box. While I do want to say upfront that investigators did investigate, polygraph, and seemingly clear this man, he initially wasn't completely forthcoming about why he'd really been in this area.
6:07He'd apparently been known to spy on a local home for girls, so he was basically a peeping Tom. Just like the hunter, he didn't want to get in trouble, but apparently after talking to his priest, he changed his mind. Either way, it does eventually get reported to the PPD, and they go out to investigate. At 10.40 a.m. on February 26th, Officer Elmer Palmer was the first to arrive at the scene. According to an interview he gave with the New York Times in 2006, at first, he also thought that he just saw a discarded doll in a box. But of course, as he gets closer, the grim reality sets in. It was a small child, a small boy, clearly not Mary Jane Barker.
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9:02Officer Palmer finds Joseph nude, but wrapped in a multicolored blanket inside the cardboard box. And he was covered in bruises. At this point, he calls for backup, and eventually, medical examiner Dr. Joseph Spellman gets to the scene to evaluate, and later performs an autopsy. His findings indicated that Joseph was between 4 and 6 years old, but was very malnourished, weighing only 30 pounds at a height of 3 foot 6. He had multiple abrasions, contusions, essentially he'd been beaten to death. It's obviously just horrific But Dr. Spellman and the investigators are able to gather some information and begin working Joseph's case Now because Joseph was found in winter in Philadelphia It was obviously pretty cold outside and this did help slow down the decomposition of his body This was good and bad for their investigation It was good because his face was still intact They could and would later use photos to try to identify him but the downside is they weren't exactly sure when he was killed.
10:13They also discovered scarring on his body that indicated he'd likely had some medical treatment in the past. It was also clear that his hair had recently been cut, possibly after his death. It's been described as crudely cut very close to the scalp, and they actually found chunks of hair stuck to his chest. That's how fresh it was. His nails had also recently been trimmed, and they found partially digested baked beans in his stomach, indicating that he'd likely eaten a few hours before his death. But they also found brown residue in his esophagus, likely from him throwing those up. So Joseph was cared for in some way.
10:56Obviously not well, but he was at least fed. Again, Joseph was four when he was killed, so I guess he could have found a can of beans, got them open and eaten them, or even cut his own nails or his own hair, but it feels more likely that these things were provided to him or done to him. In addition to trying to learn everything they could about Joseph, investigators of course also scour the location he was found for any clues they can find. And close to Joseph's body, they find a men's blue corduroy hat. And in this case, I think that there are some advantages and disadvantages to this happening in the 1950s.
11:35Because investigators were able to trace this hat to a local store, and the owner of the store remembered not only selling this hat, but attaching a strap to it that the man had specifically requested. She remembered him, she remembered the hat, the whole ordeal. But the police could never track him down or get a DNA sample from the hat. It was a dead end. They also looked into the box Joseph was found in and the blanket he'd been wrapped in. It had been cut in half, but after taking it to the Philadelphia Textile Institute to have it analyzed, they found out that unlike the custom hat, the blanket was mass-produced and essentially impossible to trace.
12:16They had better luck with the box, though. The shipping label indicated that it was shipped from Indiana to a J.C. Penney store in a municipality in Pennsylvania called Upper Darby, really right on the edge of Philadelphia. And after contacting the store, they discovered that the box had originally held a white bassinet, and only 12 had been sold from that particular store. So it was really easy to trace. But the downside of this time period was that JCPenney had a cash-only policy at this time, so they couldn't just use credit card data or even checks to track down the buyers. However, after the FBI stepped in and put out a call for buyers to step forward, 11 people came forward and were all ruled out.
13:03The 12th and final buyer was never found. Of course, another downside is that at this time, forensic science just wasn't nearly as evolved as it is today. So investigators really focused on prints. They take Joseph's fingerprints and prints of his feet. This part of the investigation really falls on a man named Bill Kelly. He was a fingerprinting expert and the head of the PPD's identification unit. He pours himself into Joseph's case. And he meticulously compares his footprints to, I mean, countless birth certificates from local hospitals. And he's doing all of this just by visual comparison.
13:44Day after day, he analyzes birth certificate after birth certificate. but he never finds a match. He also goes through over 11 ,000 pictures of refugee children, but never finds Joseph. Investigators also check with local hospitals to compare what they believe are medical scars across Joseph's body, but again, there's just no match. The same goes for local foster and group homes in the area. No one seemed to remember Joseph. And it seems really likely that whoever killed him or even just knew him was very aware that they were looking to identify Joseph and his killer because authorities propelled his case into the community and national media really aggressively.
14:31They actually used photos of him post-mortem and distributed hundreds of thousands of flyers across Philadelphia and the entire country. They had flyers at every local business that would take them. They were also put into Philadelphia gas works bills, and Joseph made front-page news for years, but no one came forward to identify him or his killer. He was only known as the boy in the box. While it doesn't seem that Joseph was shown much love during his life, he was cared for dearly after his death. A funeral was held for him on July 24, 1957, with detectives on his case as pallbearers. He was buried in a Philadelphia Sophia Pottersfield, and a headstone that was donated read, Heavenly Father, bless this unknown boy.
15:24In the years following Joseph's murder, investigators chased countless leads. They believed he may have been a boy who'd been kidnapped from New York, the discarded child of a couple who worked at a carnival, possibly a refugee who'd come to the U.S. during the 1956 Hungarian Revolution. These investigators were banging their heads against the wall for years, trying to track down any lead they could that would lead them to identifying Joseph and solving his case. In 1961, an investigator named Remington Bristow even turned to a psychic for help. This psychic says that she had a vision of a cabin, with apparently a very specific type of porch.
16:06Bristow takes a chance on this lead, and actually finds a foster home matching the description about a mile away from where Joseph's body was found. Now, this foster home was initially investigated years ago, and the couple who owned the home, Arthur and Catherine Nicoletti, were looked into and cleared. It's definitely a letdown for Bristow. But he decides to just kind of take another look at this lead, and he finds something that just feels a little off to him. Catherine has a daughter named Anna Marie from another relationship, so she's Arthur's stepdaughter. She's in like her mid-twenties, and she had four children.
16:44but three of them died shortly after birth. Her fourth child died at three years old after what seemed to just be a freak accident. They were apparently electrocuted on one of those small rides you pay with in coins at a department store. Obviously, it's all just really, really tragic, but Bristow just can't stop thinking about what the odds are that all four of her children died, and he begins to wonder if maybe Joseph, who again is still unidentified at this time, was maybe Anna Marie's child. Now, to be fair, there's no concrete tie to Joseph, but he pursues the lead, and later that year he sees that the Nicolettis are holding an estate sale at the foster home, and he decides to just take a look.
17:29It couldn't hurt, and then he sees it. Well, two things. He sees a white bassinet for sale, and when he's poking around the yard, He sees a clothesline full of blankets that have been cut in half. He fully believes that this is it. He tries to interview the Nicolettis, but at this point, they refuse. Bristow is truly committed to Joseph's case. He carried around photos of Joseph for years, and he wants to pursue this lead, but just can't. He does eventually convince other investigators to interview the family, but it doesn't go anywhere. And ultimately, he passes away without ever knowing that the boy in the box was Joseph Augustus Zarelli or what really happened to him.
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20:07So he turns to the VDoc Society. Now, if you don't know what they do, they are absolutely incredible and are made up of professionals like prosecutors, criminologists, medical examiners, many, many professionals that are in law enforcement or adjacent. like forensic scientists that can help analyze things like DNA. The VDoc Society also just so happens to be based in Philadelphia and already has some interesting ties to the case. One is Bill Kelly, the fingerprinting expert I discussed earlier. He's since retired from the PPD and is now a member. But something that just really pulled at my heartstrings was that one of its co-founders, Bill Fleischer, grew up with Joseph's case, and it motivated him to get into law enforcement.
20:55So the VDoc Society votes and takes the case. They help obtain a court order to exhume Joseph's body and collect new DNA samples. He was then reburied at the Ivy Hill Cemetery. Now, of course, Joseph's body has been buried for decades. And obviously, this DNA is not exactly well preserved. But they are able to get a partial sample from one of his teeth. It's mitochondrial DNA, so their hope is to be able to find some relative on his mother's side, maybe one of the Nicolettis. But at this time, they aren't able to get a court order for anyone in the Nicoletti family to give a DNA sample. So that lead really just sits.
21:39But not too long after, in the year 2000, investigators get a brand new lead from what appears to be a pretty credible source. A psychiatrist in Cincinnati, Ohio calls the PPD and says, I have a patient you might want to know about. It appears that she has information about a case. Now, investigators and the psychiatrist exchanged some letters about the patient for a while, and eventually, in 2002, Tom Augustine and Bill Kelly traveled to Cincinnati to interview the patient. We don't know her real name, but she's often referred to as M, Martha, or Mary. So I'll just call her Mary. Mary says that she grew up in a very abusive household in Philadelphia in the 1950s.
22:23There was apparently a lot of sexual abuse. And she remembers that around the year 1954 when she was about 12, she went on a drive with her mom to a house in Philadelphia. Her mom gets out of the vehicle, hands someone an envelope filled with cash, and she comes back with a baby boy named Jonathan. But this baby wasn't raised like she was. He was kept in their basement. He never spoke and never left the home. Mary was also strictly instructed to keep his existence a secret. And she says that one day, in February 1957, her mom was giving Jonathan a bath and he wouldn't stop crying. Her mother asked her to cut Jonathan's nails, so she did, but he was crying so hard that he threw up the baked beans that they had for dinner, and this upset her mom so much that she beat him to death.
23:17Mary runs and hides in her room, but she distinctly remembers hearing the sound of scissors cutting someone's hair, and she says that the next morning she and her mom went to dispose of Jonathan's body in a wooded area. That was a lot, and this is a tough situation, because as Mary is telling them this story in 2002, all of this information is public knowledge. Joseph's case is by far one of the most notorious in Philadelphia history, so while this information about him eating and throwing up baked beans and having his nails and haircut recently does all match. It's all information that's been told to the public.
24:00But here's where it gets really tricky. According to the psychiatrist who'd been treating Mary, she'd been telling the same story with the same details since 1989, and the information about Joseph eating baked beans shortly before he was killed wasn't made public until 1999, a whole decade after Mary first mentioned that detail. Now, Bill Kelly believes Mary. He's ready to take this all the way. But Tom Augustine doesn't believe that they have enough to verify that Mary is telling the truth. And ultimately, this doesn't go anywhere. So they go back to the Nicolettis, and in 2007, they finally get a court order for Anna Marie's DNA.
24:44But it's not a match. After 50 years of investigating this case, of trying to identify Joseph, they are right back at square one. But Joseph isn't forgotten about. His case continued to be reviewed. His DNA was entered into CODIS and it's run again and again, but there were no hits. Then, in April 2019, the PPD gets another court order to exhume Joseph's body again. They take more DNA, they work with the FBI, and a very high-tech lab in Europe, and for the first time ever, they get a full sample of his DNA. He's then reburied again, but this time with a new headstone that read, America's Unknown Child.
25:34But of course, basically the entire world, and especially DNA technology, has changed so much since they got that partial sample over 20 years ago. There are more databases, the testing is much more sensitive, and it's just overall a lot easier to identify someone using DNA. And the VDoc Society is still helping, including Dr. Colleen Fitzpatrick. She's not only a member, but a genetic genealogist and the founder of Identifiers International. Another genetic genealogist named Misty Gillis also joins the team to help identify Joseph. Misty is actually Identifier's senior forensic genealogist. They have the best and brightest working on this case, and it almost takes three years, but they get a match.
26:23It starts with some distant cousins, but as investigators follow up with these cousins and hunt down any record they can find, they find who they believe to be Joseph's mother, Betsy Abel. They get more court records to identify all her children. It turns out that she had six children in total, but only one boy is born before 1957, so they focus on him. They get his birth certificate and track down the father that's listed, Gus Zarelli. By this time, both Betsy and Gus have passed away, but they are able to obtain a DNA sample from another living relative. According to most sources, this was one of Joseph's half-siblings, and over 60 years since Joseph was found, they had their definitive match.
27:11The boy in the box, America's unknown child, was Joseph Augustus Zarelli. They announced this in December 2022, and Joseph's headstone was replaced once again, but this time with his name. This was not only just a huge moment in Joseph's case, a huge moment for genetic genealogy, but also for this community who had mourned Joseph for decades. This was another part that got me so choked up, but in my research I found some statements from an employee at the cemetery. His name is Dave Drysdale. He says that Joseph has always had visitors at his grave who stop by with flowers or just a short prayer for him.
27:54And at least twice a year, investigators and members of the VDoc Society would bring him flowers too. There's also been a marker in the area where he was first found for decades, where again, countless people have gathered to commemorate his life and show their love. Joseph has never been forgotten about, and I just think it's a really beautiful thing in the face of something so unspeakable. But while Joseph has now been identified, and this is a huge win, His case is still unsolved. So, what happened to Joseph Augustus Zarelli? Well, there are still a lot of unanswered questions in this case.
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28:37Joseph had a birth certificate, but never had a social security number issued to him. While law enforcement is keeping a lot of information out of the public eye, the last I could find, they say that they aren't sure if Augustus Zarelli even knew his son existed. We just know that he was listed on Joseph's birth certificate as his father, so I assume that he didn't sign it, but of course, I can't say for sure. And while the identities of Joseph's siblings are mostly unknown, they have made statements through a lawyer to say they, quote, have never been shown anything that links their father or any member of their family to this, end quote.
29:18A relative of Betsy's also took to the media to say, quote, there was no cruelty, no meanness or cruelty that swelled within her heart and soul, end quote. When it comes to what your family eats and drinks, you know your choices matter. You're the expert because you know what fits your life. And getting it right starts with good information. That's why America's beverage companies are sharing more information about our ingredients at GoodToKnowFacts.org. No spin, no judgments, just the facts straight from the experts for more than 140 beverage ingredients. Visit GoodToKnowFacts.org.
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30:44Or if they did, they aren't making that publicly known. But Gussarelli's children have expressed that they are horrified by this discovery, and feel greatly for Joseph. What I keep coming back to in this case as I contemplate what may have happened to Joseph, and specifically who he was in the care of before his murder, is how widespread this case was. At the beginning of this episode, I told you that both of his parents lived in the Philadelphia area until they passed. I think it's incredibly unlikely that neither of them knew about this case, that neither of them saw his photo. He's made the front page of local newspapers for decades, which was, of course, followed by segments on the news, America's Most Wanted, true crime programs on TV, podcast, and YouTube.
31:36His case has been everywhere. I think it all goes back to the question of whether or not Betsy put him up for adoption or kept him. And I think investigators might know. Again, earlier in this episode, when I was telling you the very little we know about Joseph's life before he was murdered, I told you that he lived near the intersection of 61st and Market Streets in West Philadelphia. In January 2023, 10 Philadelphia News reported a slightly different location. They said that Joseph had been born to a couple who lived at 64th in Callow Hill, but apparently didn't live there long, because they added that it was unclear if he'd lived in that location long enough for people to notice him.
32:19But just using common sense, surely if they knew where he lived and Joseph at 4 years old clearly wasn't the owner of this home, they know who was. And they also specifically used the term couple, meaning that Betsy possibly had a partner that was aware Joseph existed. So again, I don't know, this is just speculation, but I do believe that law enforcement knows a lot more than they're sharing with the public. During the press conference announcing Joseph's identification, Captain Jason Smith of the PPD Homicide Unit said, quote, we have our suspicions as to who may be responsible, but it would be irresponsible of me to share these suspicions as this remains an active and ongoing criminal investigation.
33:04We're hoping to receive an avalanche of tips from this press conference, someone in their mid to late 70s or 80s who remembers that child, end quote. And as much as I really hate to tell you this, according to reporting by David Bjork ran for Delco today, as of March 2023, PPD inspector Ernest Ransom says that they've only received one tip since Joseph's name was revealed to the public. It's honestly devastating.
33:40But this case is still open and active, and even though Joseph is no longer America's unknown child, he is still deeply loved. In January of this year, dozens of people gathered at the Ivy Hill Cemetery to commemorate what should have been his 71st birthday. The love for Joseph is so apparent, but where the investigation stands today unfortunately isn't. I do want to say that I think it's important to remember that investigators are clearly playing the long game here with this case. It took over 60 years to identify Joseph. They waited about another two years before releasing the names of his biological parents to the public.
34:26For all we know, they could be testing the box, the blanket, maybe an item that's completely unknown to us. They could be interviewing his killer right now. And I know what you're thinking. It feels unlikely. and to be honest, investigators say just as much, that they feel it's unlikely that they'll be able to make an arrest in Joseph's case. But I'd like to challenge you to consider that there are other forms of justice beyond an arrest and conviction. I can't speak for Joseph or his loved ones, but I can speak as a family member who never got formal legal justice for their loved one's homicide.
35:07I think that when the public knows who the most likely perpetrator of such a horrendous crime, especially one against a child, when there are some semblance of answers, there is a form of justice in that. A form of closure. In a perfect world, these crimes wouldn't happen at all. The next best scenario is that the perpetrator is caught and given an appropriate punishment. But we don't live in a perfect world, and the justice system is certainly far from perfect. Oftentimes, the closest thing to justice these victims will ever get is that the world never gave up on fighting for them, never stopped loving them, and that the investigators in charge of the case never stopped looking for answers.
35:58And that's where Joseph Augustus Zarelli's case is today. Which brings me right to our call to action. Please share Joseph's case. Talk about his case, especially if you have older people in your life that may have been around during this time. And maybe don't consume true crime content like you do. Media pressure may not be what solves Joseph's case, but after everything I've told you today, I don't think it's crazy to think that love and compassion just might. Stranger things have happened in true crime. And as long as someone is working his case, as long as we keep talking about Joseph, I have to believe that there is always hope.
36:49As a reminder, Joseph Augustus Sorelli was likely four years old when he was murdered and later discovered in February 1957 in the Fox Chase neighborhood of northeast Philadelphia, Pennsylvania. He was white, with blue eyes and brown hair. When he was killed, he was 3 '6 and weighed approximately 30 pounds. Anyone with information is asked to call the Philadelphia Police Department at 215-686-8686. But as always, thank you, I love you, and I'll talk to you next time. Voices for Justice is hosted and produced by me, Sarah Turney, and is a Voices for Justice media original. If you love what we do here, please don't forget to follow, rate, and review the show on your podcast player.
37:40It's an easy and completely free way to help us and help more people find these cases in need of justice.
37:55Thank you.
38:39welcome to the secret after show the studio door is open and our emotional support puppies are in the room there has not been anything going on with me i am still sick i think unfortunately you could probably hear a bit of that in this episode. And I will say, this is like the brink of voice quality that I'm willing to give you guys. I don't want anybody to turn off an episode because my voice sounds hoarse, which it certainly does. Like I said, I think this was pretty much borderline. But if it does get worse, I have my scripts ready to go. It's just about recording them now and I keep waiting for my voice to get better and it's just not.
39:21So if by next week it gets pushed even further, there may not be an episode. I hope that there is. I hope that my voice gets better. But again, I'm not willing to put out an episode that I think people might turn off. That's not fair to the person that I am highlighting. But let's go right on to the case. I do have why I wanted to pick it listed here, why I picked it. I, especially being a board member on Season of Justice and seeing a lot of case solves, you know, a lot of times through DNA specifically, you know, and even it goes back to, you know, when I spoke with Laura Norton about her book, Lay Them to Rest, you know, there's all this anticipation building up to identifying someone, you know, usually a homicide victim, of course.
40:14And after that happens, it's like the steam kind of goes away. And I don't think people do it maliciously. I think that media pop of attention just fizzles out. And, you know, people are so excited about the solve, you know, or the identification, I should say, you know, even I'm calling it a solve when really it's not, right? It's an identification. And when that happens, I feel like a lot of people just kind of forget and don't go back to it and think, hey, man, like this case is still unsolved. It still needs help. So that's what I was actually just like randomly checking up on the case. I had done a crossover many years ago, but I've never formally covered it.
41:02So I was just kind of checking up on it. And when I saw that only one lead came in, one, try not to get emotional, one lead after he was identified. And that was one source, to be totally honest with you guys. And I said that in the episode. I was devastated. And I was like, I got to cover this case. I know that it's a big case. Most of you guys know it. But I wanted to cover it. And I also wanted to cover it in a way that I don't feel it's really been covered very often before. Of course, I haven't, you know, I don't really consume other people's content about cases. I actively try to stay away from it.
41:43So I'm not like influenced. Sometimes if, you know, they're able to obtain an interview that, you know, I can't find anywhere else, of course, I'm going to go there. But I like to try to not be influenced by other people's styles of doing true crime. I try to, you know, make this as unique as I can in an oversaturated market. But I wanted to tell his story in a way that respected, and I'm not saying that other people aren't respecting his identity. I'm not saying that. But in a way that was like, like I cover every other story. We know who he is up front. And that's true. That's real. We know that this is Joseph Augustus Zarelli.
42:23He is not the boy in the box, and I tried everything I could to avoid that term while also acknowledging, you know, the real case history here and what he was known as. But I just wanted to cover it like I cover every other case of a missing child and put his name up front, put the information we knew about him up front, even though it came decades later. and just really try to honor him in a way that I don't think is often done in true crime. You know, with this case in particular, I think the hook is always, we have this unidentified child. It's been so many decades and bam, he's identified.
43:01Here's the hook. Sorry, I had to pause to cough. I didn't want to do that. So I hope that that came across and I hope that you guys, for lack of a better word, enjoyed that style. I just, I don't know, it felt more right to me. So that's why I did it. I also have, I have this with like a bunch of question marks after, like, how do they know the cross streets, but don't know who he lived with? Why they're keeping this close to the vest? And I guess I just wanted to bring that up again. You know, I do think that there's a lot of hope in this. You guys know me. I think that there's hope in every case and I'll always be that way.
43:37But I think, you know, a lot of that hope comes from, you know, they, appear to know where he lived. So I think that there's a lot more that they know that they aren't saying that I hope really, really gets a true solve for this case, you know, hopefully sooner rather than later. Now, I also thought an interesting part of this case was like the passage of time, right? And the advantages and disadvantages of really each time period, right? You know, to to find a hat and be able to track down the maker and the owner of the shop is like, I mean, I'm, you know, I'm in Arizona, right? So I know that this happens with like some cowboy hats and stuff.
44:18But, you know, if somebody finds like a Nike baseball cap, like you're done. Like, how are you going to trace that, right? Unless it's like some limited edition. And I know that, yes, they can trace. I worked in retail. I know that there are Easter eggs and, you know, in these products and you can't trace when they are manufactured and like at what plant, right? But when they have, you know, 10 ,000 Nike hats, it's a little bit different. So I just thought it was really interesting to see how they really could trace things in some ways a little bit better, that they could find that there are only 12 bassinets sold or whatever.
44:54But because we're in 1957 and JCPenney only accepts cash, we can't find the buyers, or at least, which is another crazy thing, 11 out of the 12 buyers coming forward. I don't know. I guess I don't have much to add here. I just thought it was a really interesting aspect of this case that I don't really seem come up. And I know that I don't cover a lot of older cases like this. But I don't know. Again, just kind of as I grow and develop in true crime and learn more about cases and, you know, investigation techniques. I just thought it was particularly interesting that the lack of technology really helped them in the beginning, and then the development of technology obviously greatly helped them, you know, get to where the case is today.
45:43It's just like an interesting evolution. Now, I do want to say, and I didn't want to put this in the episode, I always try not to come across preachy, but you guys opt into the after show, so, you know you can take what you get here um you know i have literally been in you know a similar place to these siblings where you know in the sense that they just found out that their father has another child um that they didn't know about you know the police sat me down and said that i had a sister that my dad never told me about that he never claimed and i just want to remind everybody that that's really hard.
46:22And I say that because the siblings have gotten a lot of, you know, for lack of a better word, crap online, as if they were supposed to know all their family secrets or, you know, come out with their immediate thoughts and feelings about the situation right when it happened. And yeah, I just want to say that they're in a really difficult situation. We don't know what they know or don't know. So I'm just asking you to remain kind, Keep your mind open and at the very, very least, do not harass them, which apparently has been happening. It doesn't help. When I went on ABC 2020 in 2008, aired in 2009, I defended my dad and countless people harassed me.
47:11They were like, you're an idiot. Like, why can't you see what I see? Like, what the whole world sees? Which, that information is valid. Why, you know, it was so clear what happened. But my point is that didn't help me change my mind. That's not what got me to the point of being able to better receive that information. I read those comments and shut down. I thought, everybody's being mean, I don't like this true crime media experience, and I didn't do true crime media for almost a decade after. So when you want, and I've said this before, when you want answers from families in true crime, harassing them typically does the opposite.
47:56And again, I'm just challenging you to possibly think that way. Just open your mind. now let's go on to media discrepancies um there was a lot this is a really old case and there's like countless articles about everything but some of the big ones that stuck with me um one was the blanket people have said it's a flannel blanket it's a plaid blanket it's a multicolored blanket and it may possibly be all those things um but that's why i just kind of simplified it to a multicolored blanket. Also, the reporting about how Joseph was found, the first few people who found him kind of varied, and not really that the stories changed too much, but just in some articles they would report that it was the college students, some other ones would just say it was the hunter.
48:45It was just kind of spotty, you know, and I kind of had to piece it together from quite a few different articles. As far as the hero of this episode, it was really hard to pick one. To be honest, there were so many dedicated, you can hear the dogs, there were so many dedicated investigators in this case, on this case, over the years, that I don't want to pick just one. I really just want to say that, you know, everybody who dedicated so many years of their life, so much Time, the VDoc Society, all these investigators, you know, people at Identifiers International, I think that they're all the heroes of this episode.
49:26I'm sorry, that might be a cop-out. I just, I really wanted to acknowledge everybody, and I couldn't pick, I couldn't pick just one. But let's go on to our segment of Hope. This is out of Reidsville, North Carolina, and I am reading an article from WFMY News 2 by Megan Allman. The title reads, Man sentenced to 50 years in 1994 cold case murder of uncle. This happened way back in 1994 and the victim's name is Edward Ware. The article reads, on May 7th, 1994, Edward Ware, 68, was found dead in his home in Reidsville. Investigators reported signs of a violent struggle, evidence of a robbery, and no forced entry.
50:16Despite an extensive investigation by the Reidsville Police Department and the North Carolina State Bureau of Investigation, the case grew cold as Leeds dwindled. And I thought that this was particularly relevant to this case, to Joseph's case, because it says in 2023 a breakthrough came when new DNA evidence linked Johnny Ware to the crime, which is his nephew. And this seems to have gone pretty smoothly. He pleaded guilty to second degree murder. And after nearly 30 years, this family has answers. This segment of hope was really short and straight to the point, but again, I always like to give you guys some type of hope that even after 30 years, after 60 years, after 80 years, whatever it might be, these cases can still be solved.
51:07I also thought that this was particularly relevant since, you know, there's so much suspicion on Joseph's family as well. And I really do think that there's hope that within these families, within these dynamics, more information can come to light, even if it takes someone passing away, if it takes decades to pass. I just, you guys know, it's our segment of hope, and there is always hope in my mind. But as always, thank you, I love you, and I'll talk to you next time.
From the publisher
When Joseph Augustus Zarelli’s remains were discovered in 1957, the city of Philadelphia was horrified. He was only four years old, and his identity was unknown then. Hundreds of thousands of flyers with his photo were distributed across the country, and his case became one of if not the most notorious in the city’s history. It took over 60 years and new technology to finally identify him, and now that investigators have his name, and are still working hard to find his killer.
Joseph Augustus Zarelli was white, with blue eyes and brown hair. When he was killed, he was 3’6” and weighed approximately 30lbs. Anyone with information is asked to call the Philadelphia Police Department at 215-686-8686.
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