In short
This episode of Voices for Justice focuses on the 1992 disappearance of 13-year-old Lee Marine Ochi from her home on Honey Locust Drive in Tupelo, Mississippi. On Aug. 27, 1992, Lee’s mother Vicky left for work; when Lee didn’t answer phone calls, Vicky returned to find blood in the hallway and on a kitchen doorframe with embedded hair, plus blood trails inside the house. Police searched nearby land and a ditch, but Lee was not found. Key later developments include a false sighting in Boonville and, eight days after the disappearance, a package sent to Lee’s stepfather containing only Lee’s reading glasses. The episode discusses competing theories and ongoing investigation, including DNA re-testing, searches in 2015 and 2025, and Lee being legally declared dead in 2024.
Guests mentioned
Bart Aguirre (former Tupelo detective/police chief), Ronnie Thomas (former lead detective), William Moore (AP journalist), Emma Kent (Open podcast host), plus interviewees from Open/CNN/AP (Vicky, Donald, neighbor Ellen, classmate Bart Phelps, father Donald Ochi, church-related sources, and others).
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Chapters
Tap a time to open that second in VOThe Disappearance of Lee Ochi
0:30 to 1:16
Exploring the unsettling case of 13-year-old Lee Ochi's disappearance.
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The Disappearance of Lee Ochi
1:56 to 2:49
Exploring the unsettling case of 13-year-old Lee Ochi's disappearance.
“My name is Sarah Turney and this is Voices for Justice.”
Building Up to Lee's Disappearance
2:49 to 4:00
A detailed account of the day leading up to Lee's disappearance.
“Thursday, August 27th, 1992, was supposed to be a big day for 13-year-old Lee Marine Ochi.”
The Discovery of the Crime Scene
4:00 to 6:33
Vicky discovers the horrifying scene of her daughter's disappearance.
“But according to Vicky, when she got to work at the manufacturing company Leggett & Platt, she just had this uneasy feeling about leaving Lee alone during the storms.”
Investigating Lee's Disappearance
6:53 to 7:56
The investigation unfolds as police search for Lee after her disappearance.
“I had braces when I was younger, wasn't great at wearing my retainer, and my teeth have shifted.”
Investigating Lee's Disappearance
8:09 to 10:41
The investigation unfolds as police search for Lee after her disappearance.
“After 13-year-old Lee Ochi is reported missing from a horrific crime scene, the Tupelo Police Department gets there so quickly that the blood is still wet.”
Community Reactions and Family Responses
10:41 to 14:00
How the community and family reacted to Lee's disappearance.
“But Vicki did tell investigators that some items were missing from the house.”
The Search for Lee: Initial Reactions and Clues
14:00 to 19:24
Discover the frantic search efforts and the strange clues surrounding Lee's disappearance.
“absolutely shocked when she learned that Lee was missing.”
The Search for Lee: Initial Reactions and Clues
20:49 to 21:52
Discover the frantic search efforts and the strange clues surrounding Lee's disappearance.
“I had braces when I was younger, wasn't great at wearing my retainer, and my teeth have shifted.”
Investigating Lee's Family Dynamics
22:12 to 27:25
Examine the troubling dynamics within Lee's family and community suspicions.
“seemingly yielded no leads, the residents of Tupelo were confused and pretty upset.”
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Investigating Lee's Family Dynamics
27:30 to 28:33
Examine the troubling dynamics within Lee's family and community suspicions.
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Investigating Lee's Family Dynamics
28:57 to 30:04
Examine the troubling dynamics within Lee's family and community suspicions.
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The Case of Lee Ochi: Background
30:04 to 33:38
Learn about Mike Kearns and his concerning behavior after Lee's disappearance.
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Investigations and Misidentifications
33:38 to 37:52
Explore the investigations into Lee's disappearance and the misidentification of remains.
“Kearns may have died without providing the answers investigators hoped for, but Lee's case was never forgotten.”
Ongoing Search for Justice
37:52 to 40:35
Understand the ongoing efforts to find Lee and the call for public help.
“In October of 2024, Lee was legally declared dead after Vicki and Donald filed a petition to have done in accordance with state law.”
The Secret After Show: Reflections
40:51 to 42:00
Hear Sarah's thoughts on the case and the evidence found.
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Case Overview and Evidence
42:00 to 43:14
Discussing the initial stages of the case and the significance of key evidence.
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Concerns About Sentencing
43:14 to 44:44
Reflecting on the infuriating leniency of sentencing for sexual offenders.
“I mean, honestly, it feels like this whole case is so infuriating, and it really does pull you in a lot of different directions as to what could have happened.”
Analyzing Media Discrepancies
44:44 to 45:26
Exploring inconsistencies in media reporting and its impact on the case.
“Now, on to media discrepancies, which, like, there were some, right?”
Heroes of the Episode
45:26 to 47:01
Highlighting community support and key journalists in the case.
“They really did rally around this family.”
Segment of Hope: Cold Case Resolution
47:01 to 50:23
Discussing a recent cold case resolution that offers hope for similar cases.
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Segment of Hope: Cold Case Resolution
51:03 to 51:15
Discussing a recent cold case resolution that offers hope for similar cases.
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Transcript
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1:48Some names have been changed or omitted per their request or for safety purposes. Listener discretion is advised. My name is Sarah Turney and this is Voices for Justice.
2:04Today I'm discussing the case of Lee Ochi. When we think about a child disappearing, our minds usually go to the places parents warn their kids about. A lonely street, a dark parking lot, somewhere outside of the safety of home. But Lee Ochi's case challenges that assumption in a deeply unsettling way. Because on the morning of August 27, 1992, 13-year-old Lee disappeared from her own home. What investigators found inside was evidence that something had gone terribly wrong. More than 30 years later, there are still no definitive answers, only a trail of evidence, conflicting theories, and many haunting questions.
2:48This is the case of Lee Ochi. Thursday, August 27th, 1992, was supposed to be a big day for 13-year-old Lee Marine Ochi. That afternoon, she was going to an open house at a new middle school where she'd be starting 8th grade in just a few days. Then her family was going to be treating her to a special dinner at Taco Bell. And there was something really important that would make the day even bigger. This would be the first time Lee would be left home all by herself while her mom, Vicky, went to work. But there was something standing in the way of making this an exciting milestone for Leigh. Unfortunately, Hurricane Andrew was making its way toward where she lived in Tupelo, Mississippi.
3:30At this point, it was really the remnants of Hurricane Andrew. It had struck South Florida as a Category 5 and Louisiana as a Category 3. And Leigh was just terrified of storms. So much so that according to Dave and Lore's reporting for the Huffington Post, she'd slept in her mom's bed the night before because she was so scared. But again, by the next morning, it seemed to have calmed down a bit. Lee and Vicky ate breakfast together while chatting about the upcoming day. Then, at around 7.35am, Vicky left the house to head to work. But according to Vicky, when she got to work at the manufacturing company Leggett & Platt, she just had this uneasy feeling about leaving Lee alone during the storms.
4:10So, at around 8.30am, she called the house to check on her. Now, Vicky and Lee had developed this sort of code when calling. Vicky would let the phone ring twice, then hang up and call back. This was pretty much her way of telling Lee that it was okay to pick up the phone. So she uses their system, but Lee doesn't pick up the phone. She calls again. Nothing. She hangs up and tries again for a third time. Still nothing. So she tries just one more time, and Lee still doesn't pick up the phone. At this point, Vicky's uneasy feeling about leaving Lee home alone turns into panic. She works about a mile and a half away, so she leaves immediately to make sure that Lee's okay.
4:56As she turns onto their street, Honey Locust Drive, her heart just sinks. She sees that the garage door is wide open, and the motor light for it is on, as if someone may have just been in there. So according to Vicky, she runs to the door which is unlocked. She opens it and begins yelling for Lee, but aside from the sounds of the storm outside, the house is silent. She begins making her way through the house looking everywhere she can for Lee, but then she sees it. There's blood. A pool of it is on the carpet in the hallway, and more is spattered on the walls. Just before 9 a.m., Vicky calls the Tupelo police to report Lee missing, and what also appears to be a serious assault.
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8:15After 13-year-old Lee Ochi is reported missing from a horrific crime scene, the Tupelo Police Department gets there so quickly that the blood is still wet. Now, I don't say that for shock value. I say that because I want to emphasize how quickly all of this happened. Vicky left for work at about 7.35am. She calls home to check on her daughter just about an hour later. And when Lee doesn't pick up, she races home within minutes and finds this unimaginable scene where it's clear that Lee has been seriously injured. Tupelo police detective, later turned police chief, Bart Aguirre, has spoken a lot to the media over the years.
8:55In 2017, he did a long-form interview with the podcast Open, The Case of Liocchi. It's hosted by Emma Kent and produced by the local news outlet, the Northeast Mississippi Daily Journal. He also spoke extensively with William Moore for AP News. But here's what he said. There was a pool of blood in the hallway adjacent to the kitchen. And on the kitchen doorframe, there was blood with hair embedded in it. This spatter on the doorframe was consistent with head trauma to someone who was about 5 feet tall. Lee's height. And blood was found in other places around the home. In the primary bathroom, a pink substance was smeared across the counter.
9:38Aguirre believes that this is evidence someone may have tried to clean up the blood, though no rags or towels with blood on them were ever found inside the home. Lee's nightgown was also crumpled up and thrown in the hamper. When it was pulled out, blood was found on it. Aguirre told Moore, quote, Because it looked like the blood had dripped down onto her nightgown, you would think the injury had to be above the neck possibly. End quote. So this, along with the blood placement higher on the doorframe, made detectives worry that Lee may have suffered a serious head injury. There was also a trail of blood that went from the hallway to the living room and towards the back door.
10:20Now, aside from the blood, nothing else really appeared to be out of order inside the house. Aguirre said that the house wasn't in disarray at all, and there was no sign of forced entry. But Vicki was adamant that Lee would never open the door for someone she didn't know. If all the blood hadn't been there, it would have looked like Lee simply walked out of her home. But Vicki did tell investigators that some items were missing from the house. An older sleeping bag, a pair of shoes, a new pair of underwear that Lee had just gotten for her birthday, a pair of blue jeans, a t-shirt, and Lee's reading glasses, which she wore almost every day.
10:58So that's what the scene looked like inside of the house. But of course, while investigators are processing the scene, there are patrol officers just outside of the home looking for any clues. They search a 10-foot-wide ditch that ran east to west right next to the house. They also combed through about 80 acres of nearby open land on foot and on horseback. And bloodhounds were also brought in to aid in the search, but weren't able to pick up on a scent. Aguirre later told Emma Kent that the dog handlers told him that while it could have meant that Lee hadn't been there, the heavy rain and strong winds from Hurricane Andrew may have altered their ability to properly sniff out anything.
11:39Detectives and officers also canvassed the neighborhood, but no one reported seeing anything odd that day. It seems like whatever happened inside of that home happened incredibly fast. As daylight faded into the dark of night, despite an exhaustive search, there was just no sign of Lee. In the days that followed, investigators expanded their efforts while those who loved her faced the growing uncertainty of not knowing where she was or what happened to her. And that included Donald Ochi, Lee's biological father. He and Vicki met in the late 1970s in California, while the two of them were both in the U.S.
12:20Army. They got married and got stationed in Honolulu, Hawaii. While there, Vicki gave birth to Lee on August 21st, 1979. But just two years later, they filed for divorce. Donald was eventually stationed in Germany, while Vicky took Lee back to Tupelo, Mississippi, where her parents lived. Eventually, Vicky met and married her second husband, Barney Yarborough. And while growing up in Tupelo, it seems that Lee may not have had the easiest time. A former classmate and friend, Bart Phelps, was also interviewed for the Open podcast, and he told reporter Emma Kent that while Lee was very sweet, she didn't have a lot of friends, and she was really treated more like an outcast.
13:06But even so, it seems that Lee was very loving and just wanted to make friends with everyone. One of her neighbors, a woman named Ellen, told the Open podcast that Lee would come over to her house to chat and play with her dog. Which didn't seem out of the ordinary at all. Lee absolutely loved animals, especially horses and her cat named Smokey. Ellen told Kent about when Lee was dropped up at home after attending a day camp activity and Vicki wasn't there. Lee didn't want to be home alone, so she went over to Ellen's where she told her all about the new middle school that she would start attending in just a few days.
13:42She also asked if she could come by the following weekend to give her dog a bath, which Ellen agreed to. Then Lee went back home to see if her mom was there. And based on our research for this episode, this seems to have been the last sighting of Lee by anyone besides Vicki. During her interview with Emma Kent, Ellen also said that she was absolutely shocked when she learned that Lee was missing. She didn't recall seeing anything strange or out of place, but she does admit that she was distracted while busy heading to work that morning. While those closest to Lee were just trying to make sense of her sudden disappearance, her father Donald was now states away stationed in Virginia, and at first, he had no idea just how serious the situation was.
14:27He too sat down with Emma Kent for the open podcast, and during his interview, he painted a very concerning picture of what things were like from his perspective. He remembers getting a call from Vicky about a day or two after the disappearance. He said that when she told him what happened, she said Lee had run away and didn't make any mention of the blood on the scene. By all accounts, he seemed very concerned. He kept calling Vicky to see if there were any updates, and eventually, on one of those calls, Vicky mentioned the blood that was found at the scene. After this, he was immediately granted a special leave from the army and came to Tupelo.
15:07Not long after, Don, along with his new wife, got to work trying to find answers. They started where I think most parents of missing children do. They organized searches. And the citizens of Tupelo came out in droves to help. But what I do find really amazing in this case is that they were really supported by law enforcement as well. They even gave him locations to search based on tips they got. And in their more official searches, the Tupelo Police Department deployed helicopters to look by air. And while all of this is happening, the Mississippi State Crime Lab tested the blood that was found at the scene.
15:47At the time, they determined the blood was type O, the same as Lee, though later DNA testing did definitively confirm that the blood was Lee's. But despite all of this effort, investigators were hitting dead ends and couldn't figure out what happened to Lee and who may have caused it. Very quickly, frustrations were growing. Just a week after her disappearance, the Northeast Mississippi Daily Journal ran the headline, quote, Ochi Case at Standstill. But then, just when it seemed like the investigation was beginning to stall, two major clues came through that gave some renewed hope. Eight days after Lee's disappearance, a college student working at McDonald's in Boonville, Mississippi, called to report a potential sighting.
16:33He saw a girl matching Lee's description with a man in a blue truck in the drive-thru. However, detectives were able to track down the girl and discover that it was not her. But what's so weird about this is that the second major lead also had a tie to Boonville, which this is about 30 miles north of Tupelo. And unlike the first lead, there was no question that this was connected to Lee's disappearance. On September 9th, 1992, Becky received a deeply unsettling package. It was addressed to Bea Yarborough, her husband and Lee's stepfather who she'd recently separated from. And the address for the home was misspelled.
17:17The street name was Honey Locust Drive, but instead of spelling honey the traditional way, H-O-N-E-Y, they spelt it H-O-N-Y. It was also listed as the return address, and on it were six stamps that had hearts with the word love on them. Inside of the package was just one item. Lee's reading glasses. There was no ransom note, no demands, no other clues. Just those reading glasses that were missing from the house. Now at this point, the FBI was assisting in the case, and the envelope was sent to their crime lab for testing. But whoever sent it seems to have taken steps to conceal their identity.
18:01Water was used to stick the stamps and to seal the envelope. In the end, it appears that they weren't able to find any DNA on it at all. Or like I always say, if they have, they aren't telling the public that. But authorities were able to track down where it was sent from. You guys guessed it, it was Boonville, where that false sighting had happened just a few days before. Now, people have questioned if the glasses were meant to distract or throw off law enforcement. Bartigiri told William Moore for the Washington Times, quote, There was no ransom letter or anything like that that came with those glasses.
18:39It was just those glasses. You would think if it was an actual kidnapping, you would have expected a little more to come along with that. End quote. This left investigators and really all of us with a lot of questions. Were the glasses meant to get detectives to believe that Lee was still alive somewhere? Or was it done to create a wild goose chase? And why was it addressed to her stepfather who wasn't living there anymore? Well, all of those questions people had about Lee's disappearance started to be directed towards those that were closest to her. And before long, rumors began to swirl about the very people who seemingly wanted to find her the most.
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22:11After the package containing only Lee's reading glasses seemingly yielded no leads, the residents of Tupelo were confused and pretty upset. And this is really when people began to question if her mom, Vicky, or stepfather Barney had anything to do with what happened to Lee. Now, both Vicky and Barney were extensively questioned by investigators. In 2017, the original lead detective on the case, Ronnie Thomas, spoke with William Moore for the Associated Press. During that, he said that Barney was cooperative, passed a polygraph test, and most importantly, had an alibi. He added that he also helped search for Lee in the days after she disappeared.
22:54And on top of all of that, the former police chief, Bart Aguirre, told Emma Kent with The Open podcast that Barney was ruled out pretty early on. But unfortunately, I can't say the same for Lee's mom, Vicki. In our research, we weren't able to find a public statement from law enforcement clearing her in this case. In that same reporting by William Moore for the Associated Press, former detective Ronnie Thomas said that Vicki was given three polygraph tests, one with the Tupelo Police Department and two through the FBI. On all three tests, she showed signs of deception. Now, we all know that polygraph tests are notoriously unreliable, but Vicki did give a statement to Alexis Weed with CNN about her failing those polygraph tests.
23:41Quote, I couldn't tell you why. They measure changes in your body, and when your daughter has gone missing, and they strap you up to things, I can't imagine anyone's body not reacting. End quote. Now, Aguirre says that Vicki has been cooperative with investigators and was not a suspect, but that she is still considered a person of interest. He told William Moore, quote, You still can't eliminate her. There are still too many unanswered questions for Vicki, And I don't know if that is unusual for somebody to go off to work and say, well, I just left Lee, but I'm going to call and check on her. Why check on her that soon after she just left her?
24:20End quote. Over the years, people who knew Lee have also shared some concerning stories about her home life. Her former third grade teacher, Jan Key, also spoke with The Open podcast. During her interview, she recalled Lee would sometimes come to school moody or sad, but whenever she was asked about it, Lee would just brush it off by saying things like she was having a bad morning. She also said that she remembers Vicky being a very strict disciplinarian. There were even times Jan wouldn't even tell Vicky if Lee got in trouble at school because she didn't want her to be disciplined too harshly.
24:56However, it is worth stating here that Jan said that while she heard Vicky would give Lee spankings, she didn't see any outward signs of abuse. But people who knew Lee during her childhood had some other concerning things they remembered. That old friend and classmate, Bart Phelps, also said that at one point, he posted on Facebook asking people to share any memories they had of Lee, and multiple people commented that they remembered her showing up to school with bruises on her legs or a black eye. More than one classmate remembers her telling people that she got a black eye after being kicked in the face by a horse.
25:33Now, when specifically asked about those rumors, Vicki sent in a written statement to The Open podcast, stating, quote, as I've stated before, her medical records were pretty clear where those came from, and I don't want to get into that again. She was hit in the nose with horse apples. It happened where a guy kept horses about a block away, end quote. But Vicki wasn't the only person close to Lee that people were suspicious of. Even though law enforcement considered Barney cleared, others continued to revisit the stories and memories that surrounded his relationship with Lee. Lee's middle school boyfriend, Jordan Morse, said that Lee once told him that she was locked out of the house because she made Barney mad.
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26:15Jordan never met Barney, but he remembers that Lee said that she was afraid of him because he would scream and yell at her. And another former childhood friend told The Open podcast that she remembers Lee telling her that Barney would whip her and hit her all the time. Many people have spoken out about their feelings and suspicions towards Vicki and Barney, including Dawn, who has made it known that he questions them. When the host of the podcast 13, Jason Lee Ussery, asked him directly what he thinks happened to his daughter, Dawn stated, quote, I believe she was murdered, accidentally or intentionally, inside her house.
26:54Maybe somebody got real mad at her and knocked her against the doorframe into the kitchen, and she died from it. End quote. Now, Barney passed away in 1996, and therefore can no longer speak for himself. Vicky, on the other hand, has always been adamant that she didn't harm her daughter in any way. In fact, she's been very vocal about who she believes may have harmed Lee, and this person's criminal history has made people wonder if she might be onto something. This episode of Voices for Justice is sponsored by Smile Set. Is there something in your smile that you just keep thinking about fixing?
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30:17Oscar McKinley Kearns, who most people knew by the name Mike, was a Sunday school teacher and Vacation Bible School staff member at Holy Trinity Lutheran Church in Tupelo, where Lee would attend with her family. And that wasn't the only proximity he had to Lee. He and Lee also rode horses at the same stable off North Thomas Street in Tupelo. And he didn't live too far away, just more than a mile from the Honey Locust home. But what makes people look at Kearns isn't just that he was around Lee, it's his very concerning behavior and criminal activity after she went missing. A former church leader spoke to the 13 podcast and recalled something pretty strange.
31:00They said that after Lee went missing, Kearns began telling people that her body had been placed in a barn belonging to a doctor in town. Now this barn was searched by law enforcement and nothing was found. But after that, Kearns began saying that Lee was buried in the basement of the church. The church was going through some renovations to build out a new basement, and this church leader remembers Kern said to him that Lee was buried and covered in a hole down there before the concrete was covered. I get it, this is a lot of speculation and a lot of stories, but here is where Kern's behavior becomes undeniable.
31:41About nine months after Lee went missing, Kern strove to Memphis and kidnapped a young girl. He showed up at her house and alert her out under the guise that he'd be bringing her to school. Then he sexually assaulted her and dropped her off at school, where she promptly reported him. Thank goodness he was swiftly found and arrested. He pleaded guilty to rape and was sentenced to 24 years in prison, but with 16 years suspended, meaning he really only had to serve 8. However, according to reporting by William Moore for AP, he was released in October 1997, after serving less than four years, which is honestly so upsetting.
32:25But many people have pointed out the similarities this crime had to Lee's disappearance. Not only was she also a young girl home alone, but Kearns had met her at the Holy Trinity Lutheran Church, the same church he knew Lee from. And once Kearns was out of prison, his violence continued. In 1999, about a year and a half after his release, he kidnapped a couple and sexually assaulted the wife in front of her husband. He was caught again and sentenced to 20 years this time. While incarcerated, law enforcement attempted to talk to him multiple times about Lee's disappearance, but he was never cooperative.
33:05And Aguirre said that at one point, it seemed like Kearns was almost toying with investigators. He agreed to talk to them and take a polygraph, but only if his lawyer approved of it, which of course they did not. So detectives were never able to get any sort of information from him, and eventually, Current was released in 2019, and passed away in May of 2021. After his death, Vicki told William Moore with the Daily Journal, quote, I only hope that maybe he talked to someone in his family before he died, or maybe talked to somebody in jail. You always hear about jail confessions. End quote. Kearns may have died without providing the answers investigators hoped for, but Lee's case was never forgotten.
33:50And at one point, investigators believed they'd even found her. Just over a year after her disappearance, in November 1993, the Monroe County Coroner's Office announced that the remains belonging to Lee Ochi had been discovered by a farmer beside a soybean field about 15 miles away from Tupelo. Apparently, the coroner's office compared a recovered school to Lee's dental records and found it to be a match. But then, just two days later, they retracted that announcement. Which seems like such a huge screw-up. But after further testing on more bones, they concluded that the remains actually belonged to 27-year-old Pollyanna Sue Keith.
34:32She had been reported missing from Shannon, Mississippi in March of 1993. How this happens, you guys, I do not know. But in regards to Pollyanna, unfortunately, there's not a lot of information out there about her disappearance or cause of death. While I have to hope that that discovery gave one family some closure, it was obviously very painful for those who loved Lee. Really, as of recording this episode, it seems like the biggest development in this case was the package with Lee's glasses. but that doesn't mean that they've given up on ever finding answers. Over the years, law enforcement has continued to conduct searches, including one in 2015, where they re-examined the same ditch they looked at the day she disappeared.
35:17This ditch was really just a spot of a man-made creek to help with flood control. Back in August of 1992, when Lee went missing, it was drained for cleaning and construction. Detectives have wondered if Lee was possibly placed there in a shallow grave before the water was brought back in. So in 2015, the FBI cleared it out and brought search dogs in. Now, as far as we know, nothing was found. But this is still an area of interest. A recent search was done in January of 2025. Local news WLBT3 reported agents wearing official FBI and Mississippi Bureau of Investigation shirts digging near a drainage ditch that runs near Honey Locust Drive.
35:59And this time, they actually released a statement. In part, it read, quote, On January 29, 2025, the Mississippi Bureau of Investigation's Cold Case Unit, in collaboration with the Tupelo Police Department and the Federal Bureau of Investigation, conducted a search near Honey Locust Drive in Tupelo, Mississippi, as a part of the ongoing investigation into the 1992 disappearance of Lee Ochi. While findings from the search cannot be disclosed at this time, investigators remain committed to following all leads and gathering information related to the case. No further comments will be made at this time.
36:37End quote. However, in May 2025, Wayne Herford with WTVA 9 News reported that Mississippi State Forensic Anthropologist Jesse Goliath, who was there participating in that search, said investigators still believe that Lee's remains were on the property. So, like I always say, take that for what you will. And it really seems like they are trying so hard in this case, you guys. In recent years, the Tupelo Police Department has turned to advancements in DNA technology to possibly get answers. Tupelo Police Sergeant Cassidy Jumper told, again, Mr. William Moore with now the Daily Journal, that original pieces of evidence were resubmitted to various labs in hopes of collecting genetic material that had previously been missed.
37:27The Tupelo Police Department has also said that they were able to build out a DNA profile for Lee using blood found on her nightgown, as well as her baby teeth. This profile has been uploaded to CODIS, but at the time of this recording, if there has been a match, that information has not been released to the public. More than three decades after Lee vanished, the search for answers has never truly ended. In October of 2024, Lee was legally declared dead after Vicki and Donald filed a petition to have done in accordance with state law. And on October 14, 2024, a Lee County Chancellor signed an order officially declaring Lee Marine Ochi deceased.
38:10That day, Vicki spoke with William Moore and said, quote, I just decided that I wanted to do it. I felt it was time to do it. It has been 32 years, end quote. But the fight for justice for Lee is far from over. Which brings me right to a call to action. Please share Lee's story. More than three decades have passed since she disappeared from her home in Tupelo, Mississippi. Time has gone on, memories have faded, and some people linked to this case are no longer here. But of course, Lee still deserves justice. Someone, somewhere remembers something that they thought was too small to matter. A conversation, a strange comment, a detail that didn't seem important in 1992, but could mean everything today.
39:01We know that cold cases are often solved because someone finally speaks up, and maybe sharing Lee's case will push someone to do so. Lee was so much more than just a missing child. She was a little girl who loved animals, looked forward to starting a new school, and had her whole life ahead of her. Lee deserved the chance to grow up, and she still deserves justice just as much as she did on the day she disappeared. So please share her story. Even after all these years, there are investigators who continue to search, there are detectives who will follow these leads, and there are so many people who continue to hope.
39:51As a reminder, 13-year-old Lee Marine Ochi was last seen on August 27, 1992 at her home on Honey Locust Drive in Tupelo, Mississippi. Lee is a white female who at the time of her disappearance was approximately 4 '10 and 95 pounds. with blonde hair and hazel eyes. She also has a strawberry birthmark at the base of her school, small scars on her right leg, and bumps on the skin of both of her knees. Anyone with information is asked to contact the Tupelo Police Department at 662-841-6491 or Crime Stoppers of Northeast Mississippi at 1-800-773-8477. but as always, thank you, I love you, and I'll talk to you next time.
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41:59Leigh Occhi:Welcome to the Secret After Show. The studio door is open and our emotional support puppies, Popcorn and Heber, are in the room. Let's go right into this case. I think one of the craziest things for me was how quickly this all happened. How investigators got there and the blood was still wet. I really don't know what to think, I'm not going to lie to you guys. But it does seem that investigators work this case thoroughly from the beginning. And despite everything, that is a blessing. Now, I think one of the biggest places of hope in this case is really that package or glasses. I just have to believe that even with, like, the most precautions in the world, something can come of that.
42:52It feels like the biggest clue in this case that we also have, like, the least amount of information about. I mean, obviously, whoever had those glasses did something horrible to Lee. So I just hope that they are using every resource possible. MVAC, like, what can we do to get these items retested if they haven't already? Now, the last thing I had on my list here was Oscar McKinley Kearns only serving four years for raping a child, you guys. Four years. these things drive me insane because like of course of course he got out after basically a slap on the wrist only four years and went out and harmed somebody else it just infuriates me because I feel like we don't take harming children or sexual assault in general very seriously in this country until they do it multiple times so that was just one thing that really, really stuck with me.
43:54I mean, honestly, it feels like this whole case is so infuriating, and it really does pull you in a lot of different directions as to what could have happened. Now, I also have to say, I just thought of this, you guys, this was not on my list, the quote from Gary, where he's talking about, like, why would Vicky call home so soon after leaving Lee. I put it in there because it's important to understand what law enforcement thinks of this case. But personally, if I'm leaving a kid home alone and I have a feeling that something could be wrong, I don't see any harm in just calling home. I don't know.
44:35I'm not a professional. I think that quote just kind of stuck out to me because I don't think that's odd behavior. But let me know what you guys think. Do you think it's odd? Let me know on social media. Now, on to media discrepancies, which, like, there were some, right? You run into the normal, like, what time did this actually happen? Was it 8.30? Was it 9am? It seems like it was shortly before 9am. All those regular things. But I think the harder thing to keep track of was, like, who told which podcast and which reporter what. Because there were a ton of people talking in this case. And sometimes they would say slightly different things to different outlets or different people.
45:19So that was one of the biggest barriers in this case was just like keeping track of all those statements. Now on to our heroes of the episode. Number one is the people of Tupelo. They really did rally around this family. And Lee's father Don did speak about like how highly he thought of these people because of how much they supported him. I didn't mention this in the episode, it just like didn't fit anywhere naturally, but he said that Lee's church even raised money to cover the cost of his hotel while he stayed in town. Those little things just like mean so much to families. It just takes one worry off their back while they're going through the unimaginable.
46:02And you guys, I have to give it up to William Moore, who I know I said his name so much, but I just wanted to like give credit where credit was due. He has been reporting on this case, you guys, for decades across so many different outlets. Unless there's two different William Moores, it appears that this same gentleman has been really sticking with Lee's case for so long and doing some of the best reporting we could find. So William Moore, if you're out there, which it sounds like you are, you make one of our heroes of this episode. for doing excellent reporting across numerous outlets across decades.
46:42Shout out to you. Now, I also have to say, like the many podcasts that we mentioned, we're also heroes of this episode. Like I said, it seemed like through all these different outlets, we were piecing together these statements that they were giving. So shout out to everyone, all the podcasts, William Moore, everybody who got those interviews, because they were extremely helpful in building this episode. Now, on to our segment of hope. This comes from people. I feel like I'm getting a lot of articles from people lately. They've just, they've been on top of these segments of hope for us. This was from August of this year and was written by Madison E.
47:23Goldberg. The title reads, Man charged in connection with the murder of his pregnant wife in 1988 cold case. It appears that Joel Bremer has been charged with second-degree murder of his pregnant wife, Ronna Bremer, who died in 1988. The article reads, Joel reported Ronna missing when she disappeared in 1988, and was granted a divorce from her in 1990. A year later, in 1991, the Greene County Sheriff's Office received a skull from an anonymous sender, which was then handed to the University of Colorado for testing. Six years later, in 1997, investigators declared Ronna dead. And then several years later, in 2001, they determined that the school belonged to her.
48:14Now, it looks like the case has been opened and closed a few times throughout the years. But in November 2024, detectives with the CCSO once again reopened the case, this time collaborating with a documentary team. The investigation led them to Iowa and Nebraska, ultimately circling back to a DNA sample collected in 1989 that now generated a DNA profile with the help of modern technology, tying Joel to the crime. Joel was indicted on July 4th and was arrested in Kansas City by the U.S. Marshals Service on July 31st, per NewsNation. He was then extradited to Christian County. His first court appearance was on Monday, August 3rd, and he's being held on a$200 ,000 bond.
49:05I thought this made a great segment of hope for Lee's case, because I think this is exactly how we're seeing these older cases get solved. It's a renewed interest, usually mixed with some older DNA that they have well preserved, and then boom, they have a solve. Now, of course, this man has not been found guilty. I will say that. But it does appear that this family at least has some more answers. As always, thank you, I love you, and I'll talk to you next time. Middy knows that just when you thought you had your body all figured out, bam, perimenopause. Suddenly, your hormones are raging like it's puberty round two.
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On the morning of August 27, 1992, 13-year-old Leigh Occhi woke up expecting a day filled with excitement. She was preparing to start eighth grade, looking forward to visiting her new school, and planning a special dinner with her family.
But before the day was over, Leigh would disappear from her home
in Tupelo, Mississippi.
Anyone with information about Leigh’s disappearance is asked to contact the Tupelo Police Department at 662-841-6491 or Crime Stoppers of
Northeast Mississippi at 1-800-773-TIPS (8477).
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