Margaret Ellen Fox

16 May 2025 · 43 min

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Voices for Justice: Episode Summary - Margaret Ellen Fox

Podcast Overview Title: Voices for Justice Host: Sarah Turney Description: A true crime podcast focused on missing persons and unsolved cases, emphasizing the importance of public involvement in seeking justice.

Episode Details Episode Title: Margaret Ellen Fox Release Date: [Date of Release] Description: This episode discusses the 1974 disappearance of 14-year-old Margaret Ellen Fox from Burlington, New Jersey, as she headed to a babysitting job.

Key Events and Timeline

  • June 24, 1974: Margaret Ellen Fox, a 14-year-old girl, boards a bus to Mount Holly, NJ for a babysitting job. She is described as having blue eyes, brown hair, and wearing distinctive clothing.
  • Initial Disappearance: Margaret's parents never receive a call confirming her arrival, leading to a frantic search and eventual police report of her missing.
  • Police Investigation:
  • Detective Leonard Burr investigates the case, confirming that Margaret boarded the bus.
  • Margaret's family conducts their own search but finds no leads.
  • Ransom Demand:
  • Just days after her disappearance, the family receives a ransom call from an unknown male demanding $10,000 for Margaret's return.
  • Follow-up notes are received, but the ransom plan falls through, leaving investigators puzzled as to whether this was genuine or a hoax.

Key Individuals

  • Margaret Ellen Fox: The missing teenager at the center of the case.
  • David Fox: Margaret's father, deeply affected by her disappearance and actively participating in the search efforts.
  • Detective Leonard Burr: The primary investigator, who later reflects on the case's haunting nature.

Theories and Leads

  • John Marshall: The man who initially contacted Margaret for the babysitting job. Although he was questioned and cleared, his involvement remains a topic of discussion.
  • Witness Accounts: A witness claims to have seen Margaret speaking to a man in a red sports car on the day she went missing.
  • Charles M. Clowbridge: A man who falsely confessed to killing Margaret in 1975 but later recanted his statement. He was sentenced for misleading authorities.

Subsequent Developments

  • Similar Cases: The episode draws parallels to other cases of missing girls from the same era, particularly the case of Patricia Coltau in 1977.
  • DNA Evidence: In 2005, DNA from a hairbrush belonging to Margaret was tested against remains found in New Jersey; however, the match was negative.
  • Recent Efforts: In 2019, on the 45th anniversary of her disappearance, the FBI released a recording of the ransom demand in hopes of generating new leads.

Calls to Action

  • Public Involvement: Listeners are urged to share information about the case, emphasizing that the person responsible may still be alive and could be recognized from the recording.
  • Contact Information: Anyone with information is encouraged to contact the FBI Newark Field Office or submit tips anonymously online.

Conclusion The episode closes with an emotional reminder of the ongoing impact of Margaret's disappearance on her family and community, highlighting the importance of keeping her case alive and the potential for new leads.

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Key Takeaways

  • Community Impact: Margaret's case has left a lasting mark on her family and the Burlington community.
  • Police Determination: Despite decades passing, there remains a strong desire among law enforcement and the family to seek justice for Margaret.
  • Public Engagement: The podcast stresses the role of public awareness and active participation in solving cold cases like Margaret's.

Additional Notes

  • Social Media: Listeners can follow the podcast and host on various platforms for updates and community engagement.
  • Future Episodes: The episode hints at more discussions on related cases, encouraging listeners to stay tuned.

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2:00have been changed or omitted per their request or for safety purposes. Listener discretion is advised. My name is Sarah Turney and this is Voices for Justice.

2:15Today, I'm discussing the case of Margaret Ellen Fox. In 1974, 14-year-old Margaret left her home in Burlington, New Jersey, full of hope and anticipation. She was on her way to what she believed would be a promising babysitting job, a chance to earn a little money and take one more step towards independence. But she never came home. What followed was a mystery that would haunt her family and the community for decades. A chilling phone call, a cruel hoax, and a trail that seemed to vanish almost as quickly as it began. This is the case of Margaret Ellen Fox. It's the summer of 1974 in Burlington, New Jersey, and 14-year-old Margaret Ellen Fox is determined to make this her summer.

3:07She just graduated from the 8th grade at St. Paul's and was headed to high school next year. Now, I'm assuming that everyone listening right now is over the age of 18, or at least in high school, so I think a lot of us can relate to this particular summer, and how crucial it feels at this age. That moment of graduating from middle school and going on to the big leagues, high school. That urge to transform yourself over summer into someone new, someone better, and maybe a little cooler. According to statements from Margaret's brother Joseph, this is really how she felt. Margaret was one of six kids and the only girl.

3:48They all ranged in age from 11 to 22. She hadn't started to date yet and was described as a homebody who never got in trouble. She was looking for more independence. She wanted to find herself. And like a lot of kids her age, she was trying to express herself in part by experimenting with different clothes and makeup. But those things cost money, so Margaret comes up with an idea. With permission from her parents, she decides to place an ad in her local Burlington County Times newspaper to promote her babysitting services. And she's not alone. Her cousin, 11-year-old Lynn Parks, joins her on this.

4:25On Wednesday, June 19th, they place a joint ad that says, quote, experienced teen girls love kids, work at your house, end quote. They also provided both of their phone numbers. Now, this may feel a little jarring by today's standards, but this was by no means uncommon for the 1970s. Outside of just word of mouth, the newspaper really was the best place to attract new clients for services like this. So they place the ad, cross their fingers, and hope they get some work over the summer. And that same day, Lynn gets a call. Her number was listed first. It's a man named John Marshall from Mount Holly, just a few miles from Burlington.

5:08He says he has a 5-year-old son who requires supervision 5 days a week for 4 hours each morning. Basically from 9.30am to 1.30pm, Lynn would be back home by 2.30pm at the latest. and it really sounds like an amazing gig. He says he and his wife have a swimming pool and a swing set, that their son is really good and just needs someone to basically play with for those few hours. He's also offering good money,$40 a week and bus fare. Adjusted for inflation, that's over$250 a week for 20 hours of work, so over$1 ,000 a month. That's a lot of money for a kid. So Lynn runs to her parents and begs them to let her take this job.

5:53But they say no, they think it's too far from home. Lynn is obviously very disappointed, but she tells John Marshall that she cannot take the job. So he goes to the second number on the listing, Margaret's. He offers her the same deal and wants her to start on Friday. Like Lynn, she's excited and begs her parents to take the job. And they say yes. While Margaret does have to take the bus, John Marshall says that his home in Mount Holly is only seven miles away, so it's not like she's going really far. It seems like a good opportunity for her to get the independence she's craving and make some money close to home.

6:34Margaret is stoked, but the next day, John Marshall calls back. This time, Margaret's father, David Fox, answers. Marshall explains that his mother-in-law passed away, and he and his family were going to attend the funeral, so they wouldn't need Margaret's babysitting services until Monday. This was the plan. Margaret would take the 8.40 a.m. bus to Mount Holly and meet either John Marshall or his wife at the corner of Mill and High Street. Reporting does differ as to who she was supposed to meet with, but one of them would be waiting there for her in a red Volkswagen to take her to their home.

7:13According to reporting by Ron Avery for The Courier-Post, Margaret writes down the man's name and phone number on a piece of paper, and her father gives her strict instructions to call back home when she gets to John Marshall's home. So on the morning of Monday, June 24, 1974, Margaret and her 11-year-old brother Joseph walk to the bus stop at 8.30 a.m. At 8.40, Margaret boards the bus and leaves for Mount Holly, and Joseph walks home. Again, this is only about a seven-mile trip, so Margaret's parents are expecting a call not long after she leaves. But that call never comes. So they call the number given to them by John Marshall.

7:55They call and they call until finally someone answers, but they tell them that Margaret's not there. They've called a payphone outside of a grocery store in Lumberton, New Jersey.

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9:48At first, Margaret's parents assumed that there must have been some mistake. Maybe Margaret had written down the wrong phone number. So they go to the phone book and start calling people with the last name Marshall. They also drive to Mount Holly to look for Margaret. But once they realize that something is obviously very wrong, they report her missing to the Burlington police. The first detective to work Margaret's case was Leonard Burr. He says that they were able to confirm with the bus driver and a passenger on the bus that Margaret did board the bus and get off at her intended stop. So it didn't seem that Margaret had any other intentions beyond completing this job, and she didn't somehow miss her stop.

10:30Detective Burr immediately suspects foul play of some kind, and luckily it's an all-hands-on-deck situation. They don't think that she's a runaway, and they get right to work, as does Margaret's family. Her father and brother specifically look all around the county for Margaret or a red Volkswagen, which was unfortunately extremely popular in the 1970s. Try as they might, they don't find anything related to Margaret or her disappearance. But when Mount Holly Police Lieutenant Benjamin English hears about Margaret's case, and specifically hears the name John Marshall, his ears perk up. He tells his supervisor that he has an old friend named Jack Marshall, and he just so happened to be the assistant manager of the A &P grocery store in Lumberton where that payphone was located.

11:21Jack Marshall was promptly questioned by the FBI. He provided an alibi and passed a polygraph test. He later told the Courier Post, quote, I have no idea what is happening. I didn't even know the phone number outside had been used until this morning. I have no ideas, no theories. It's just causing me a lot of trouble, end quote. In that same article, Detective English added, quote, I've known him for 25 years. He's the father of five grown children. I'm sure he's not involved. End quote. Margaret's sister-in-law Ramona Fox also knew Jack Marshall and expressed a similar sentiment. She didn't believe that he was involved either.

12:05Jack Marshall was officially cleared, though his involvement is still debated to this day. Some people say it seems clear that he was the person who lured Margaret away, while others say that it would be pretty unwise for him to use such a similar name and give a phone number that directly led authorities to him and his place of employment. Then, just four days after Margaret went missing, her parents get a call that has left investigators baffled to this day. By June 28th, the FBI had already become involved in the investigation. They were, quote, probing to see if this was an appropriate case for them to take, so they get her files, as much information as they can, and help set up a recording system connected to Margaret's home phone.

12:49And these efforts pay off big time because a man calls demanding a$10 ,000 ransom for Margaret. This call has never been released in full, but authorities release a small portion of what the man said, quote, $10 ,000 might be a lot of bread, but your daughter's life is the buttered topping, end quote. The next day, a note arrives at Margaret's home with further instructions for dropping off the money. The note explains that the money should be put into a box with blue wrapping, same as Margaret's blouse. They added, quote, Margaret is all right. We only tore her blouse and broke her glasses. Follow the instructions.

13:30End quote. It's terrifying, but Margaret's parents are ready to pay the ransom. Adjusted for inflation, it would be just over$65 ,000 today. But something goes wrong. They get another note saying that they, quote, goofed the arrangements for getting her back and that the deal was off. Now, as far as we know, this person was using publicly available information about Margaret. The color of her blouse, blue, wearing glasses, that was all known to the public at this time. So to this day, authorities aren't sure if this was real or just a cruel hoax. But it's not long before investigators make another move in her case.

14:14During their investigation, they questioned employees at shops in the area where the bus dropped off Margaret. And they find a witness who says they saw her speaking to a man in a red sports car on the day she went missing. In August, the FBI released a sketch of the man, saying he was wanted for questioning. He's described as a white male about 35 to 40 years old, 5 foot 10, and about 200 to 230 pounds. They believe he had, quote, very blue eyes, end quote, light blonde or reddish hair that was graying and styled into a crew cut, as well as very noticeable white and even teeth. They also say they believe he was driving a red-orange Volkswagen.

14:57And they add something really chilling. They say that this man had tried to pick a girl up in Mount Holly about a month before Margaret went missing. It seems like a very promising lead with a lot of information, but like everything else in the case thus far, it doesn't go anywhere. By November, Margaret's father David told the Philadelphia Inquirer, quote, I haven't found out a thing. Not one thing whatsoever. Some people feel it's hopeless. Sometimes I just accept that. I think that it's over and done. But then sometimes I get this feeling that she's alive, that she's out there, end quote. He adds that the hardest times of day for him are early in the morning after waking up and right before bed.

15:45He says that's when it's quiet, and there's nothing to occupy his mind other than Margaret. Every morning before going to work as a plumber, he attended mass, and each night before coming home, he stopped at the church again to say a rosary. It's honestly heartbreaking. In the same article, he says a friend of his had a dream about Margaret, that he saw her standing near a riverbank, holding a dove and surrounded by dead lambs. David thought that maybe God was trying to talk to him and tell him where Margaret could be. But Detective Burr adds to the harsh reality of how little progress the case has seen, adding, quote, It's one of the most frustrating cases I've ever been involved in.

16:27The case is still open. We check everything out, but we just don't have anything. End quote. And there's really not much movement in Margaret's case until the following November. On November 23rd, 1975, a man in his 50s named Charles M. Clowbridge is sitting in the Montgomery County Jail in Norristown, Pennsylvania, when he tells the officers he has a confession to make. He says he killed Margaret Ellen Fox. He explains that he kidnapped her off Penn Street on June 24, 1974 Then he murdered her and dumped her body off a cliff in the Catskill Mountains in New York Authorities jump on this They launch a massive search of the area spanning three months The New York State Police, FBI, and authorities from the Burlington County Prosecutor's Office All join in the search and the investigation But they don't find anything There's no sign of Margaret or really any crime they can tie back to Charles M.

17:31Clowbridge. In April 1976, he admits that his confession was a giant hoax, and he is promptly charged for misleading authorities. At his sentencing, the judge asked him why he'd do something like this, and he said, quote, Honestly, judge, I can't answer that, end quote. The judge reiterated how cruel his actions were. especially for Margaret's family. His public defender argued that he was a lost soul and asked for him to be admitted to a psychiatric hospital. But the judge refused, and he was sentenced to two to three years in state prison. It was another huge letdown in Margaret's case.

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19:46Her body was quickly found, though, and 20 hours later, 31-year-old John Owen Houseman was arrested for her murder. He had two prior convictions of sexual assault and lived about 10 minutes from Patricia's home. It looks like they tracked him down due to numerous obscene phone calls he'd made, including one to Patricia's home after speaking with her about the fake job. He was eventually sentenced to life in prison plus 11 to 13 years for the murder of Patricia Koltow. However, no connection to Margaret's case has ever been made. The following year, in 1978, authorities chase another lead. They discover a sex offender in Mount Holly who didn't live far from the bus stop Margaret was last seen at.

20:33So they investigate, talk to him, and he provides an alibi that some have considered to be pretty weak. It seems that this guy was an avid ham radio operator and kept a detailed log of all of his conversations over the span of many years. When they ask him about Margaret and where he was at the time that she went missing, he shows them this logbook. He says it proves that he was using the radio at the time Margaret would have gotten off the bus. And law enforcement basically drops it. Or at least that's how the media reported it. Once again, Margaret's case sits. This time for 10 years. In 1988, volunteers were helping clear an area near Sandy Hook Bay in the borough of Atlantic Highlands, New Jersey.

21:21This is about 70 miles or an hour and 15 minutes from Burlington. According to reporting by Kevin McElroy for the Courier Post, they were there to help move debris near the beach so they could build a new bike trail. And as they're removing this debris, one of the volunteers comes across what they believed could be a human skull, though they also thought it may have been a plastic ball of some kind. They call it in to police, and it is confirmed to be a human skull. So law enforcement brings in dogs, and it takes them four minutes to find more bones. These remains were covered by two tires from some type of automobile, and only buried about a foot and a half deep, so they are very close to the surface.

22:06Investigators say that they believe that it's likely that these remains, that this person, was originally buried a lot deeper, but due to erosion over the years, they were much closer to the surface now. Local police set up a 24-hour watch at this site and just keep digging. In the end, they find what they believe is about 85-90 % of this person's skeletal remains. And here is what they initially determine. They were female, 15 to 19 years old, 5 '1 to 5 '4, and they had a high forehead. They believe she likely died in the early or mid-1970s and was the victim of a homicide. They also find at least one size 6.5 platform sandal and scraps of clothing.

22:53These scraps have been described as a light-colored, long-sleeved top or top to a dress, a sock, and part of a lace bra. Though reporting on which clothing was found does differ between sources. And really, from what I found in my research, this just seems to sit for a few years until 1992. This is when the FBI's Special Projects Unit is brought in to create a clay reconstruction of the skull. When they do, investigators believe the reconstruction bears a striking resemblance to Margaret, especially given everything else that could be a match. Many investigators believe that Margaret was likely killed not long after she went missing, so the timeline would fit.

23:38She was about 14 and a half, 5 foot 2, last seen wearing sandals, and she did have a high forehead. At this point, everyone, especially Margaret's family, is excited that this could be her. But there's an issue. While they were able to recover a full set of teeth from the decedent, it seems that Margaret's dental records may have been misplaced. According to statements made by Margaret's original detective, Detective Burr, the records were given to the FBI very early on, during that probe when they were trying to determine if her case was appropriate for them to take on. He says they misplaced them.

24:18And this is a few years before things were entered into computer networks, so paper is all we have at this point. Now unfortunately, Margaret's dentist had passed away by the time this development happened but his widow says that she clearly remembers giving the records to a member of law enforcement. She just can't remember which agency but she knows they were handed over. But there's some argument over this. Tim Duncan from the Atlantic Highlands Police says that the FBI handed over all their files to him and he says that there was no indication in that file that the FBI was ever in possession of the dental records.

24:56So we have a lot of people pointing fingers at each other. I obviously don't know what the truth is, but I can tell you that Detective Burr did another interview many years later after this, in 2017. By this time, he was 80 years old. He says that Margaret's case is the only case he's never solved, and it haunted him. He added that there was a distinct lack of cooperation between the local police departments and the FBI, saying, quote, The goal now is to solve a case, not get credit, end quote. It's a short quote, but I think it's very telling. Without the dental records and with forensic testing really just coming of age around this time, this lead again just sits for over a decade until 2005.

25:45This is when the National Center for Missing and Exploited Children reached out to retired Burlington City Lieutenant Bob Elbertson. They basically say, hey, we still have these remains that could be a match to Margaret. So he works with the local police department to obtain a DNA sample from a hairbrush of Margaret's that her family had previously provided to authorities. And after 17 years, they're finally able to use this hair to make a good, usable DNA sample for Margaret. They take the sample and compare it to DNA from the doe, but it's not a match to Margaret. It's another huge letdown. But, as a side note, this woman was later identified in 2022 as 16-year-old Nancy Carol Fitzgerald.

26:35She was last seen having Easter dinner with her family in Bloomfield in 1972. Unfortunately, her case does remain unsolved, and authorities are asking anyone with information to contact the Atlantic Highlands Police Department at 732-291-1212.

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28:24They want her case solved. We also learned some new information about Margaret's case, specifically about one of the ransom notes. It had apparently mentioned the Symbionese Liberation Army, the same group that infamously kidnapped Patty Hearst just four months before Margaret went missing. They also shared that they had diaries of Margaret's, and she discussed being bullied in school, and possibly starting a new life in California or Florida. They do discuss the possibility that maybe Margaret is out there alive somewhere, living a new life. D 'Alessio says, quote, we need to close the case. There has to be an ending or a conclusion.

29:03Even if she just moved away, this brings hope to people to know that they won't be forgotten. End quote. Just two years later, we see more movement, more passion in Margaret's case. On the 45th anniversary of her disappearance in 2019, the FBI announced a$25 ,000 reward for information leading to Margaret. They also released something huge, a six-second clip from the original 1974 phone call demanding the ransom. While they had released this quote way back in 1974, they say that thanks to new technology used to enhance the audio, they decided to release the man's voice in hopes that someone may come forward with information that could finally solve Margaret's case.

29:48As a reminder, the clip says,$10 ,000 might be a lot of bread, but your daughter's life is the buttered topping. Now, because this clip is only six seconds long, I'm going to play it for you a few times. Ten thousand dollars might be a lot of bread, but your daughter's life is the buttered Who was it? Ten thousand dollars might be a lot of bread, but your daughter's life is the buttered topic. Who was it? Ten thousand dollars might be a lot of bread, but your daughter's life is the buttered topic. Who was it? This is huge. We have a voice that may lead us to Margaret. But that clip was released six years ago.

30:32And unfortunately, Margaret's case remains unsolved. Which brings me right to our call to action. As of recording this episode, Margaret went missing 50 years ago. 51 years next month. But she's long from forgotten. And her case is far from being impossible to solve. The man speaking with Margaret on the day that she went missing was estimated to be 35 to 40 years old, meaning he could be in his 90s today. He could still be alive. He could still have friends or relatives that know something but haven't said something. Even if he has passed away, or whoever abducted her passed away, someone could still recognize the voice on that recording.

31:15So if you share anything, please share that. They also have Margaret's DNA. Even at the age of 80, Detective Burr was determined to solve this case, and it's clear that her loved ones never gave up on that possibility either. So please share. There is hope.

31:41As a reminder, 14-year-old Margaret Ellen Fox was last seen getting onto a bus on June 24, 1974, in Burlington, New Jersey. She has blue eyes and brown hair. At the time of her disappearance, she was 5 '2 and weighed approximately 105 pounds. Two of her top right teeth were missing, and she wore eyeglasses. She was last seen wearing jeans with a yellow patch on the knee, a blue blouse, a white and black checkered jacket, and brown sandals with a heel strap. She was also wearing a gold necklace with flowers and a blue stone, and a gold charm bracelet with a blue stone. Margaret was also carrying an eyeglass case with a Huckleberry Hound design on it.

32:25Anyone with information is urged to contact the FBI Newark Field Office at 973-792-3000. You can also submit tips online anonymously at tips.fbi.gov. But as always, thank you, I love you, and I'll talk to you next time.

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33:57welcome to the secret after show the studio door is open and our emotional support puppies heber and popcorn are in the room i do have an update to share in terms of my sister alissa her case and this doe that is being tested or was being tested. I, as always, am trying to be very careful with my words. I don't want to give too much away, but I also want to keep you guys informed and really keep Alyssa's name in the media in hopes of, I guess, ensuring that she is still a priority. so this week i got word um that let me back up i didn't tell you that um alissa was being compared to this doe using dental records so they were using alissa's dental records and comparing them to the teeth found in this doe or on this doe um and that testing came back inconclusive meaning they don't know if it's Alyssa or not.

35:03When I got that email from Alyssa's detective, I was very surprised at the ending of that email. Sorry, I'm being really slow. I'm trying to be very careful about the words that I use. That email ended by him basically saying, you know, I'm sorry, this isn't the news you wanted to hear. It's not good news. you know, I hope that new leads come in soon, which was really surprising to me, because I would have expected for the plan to be to move forward with DNA, and that didn't appear to be the case. I did ask for them to proceed with DNA testing, and I'm not sure right now if that's going to happen.

35:51So that's basically where it stands. This, if you guys listen to season one of this show, you will know that if this DNA testing is not done and we can't rule it, you know, in or out as Alyssa, this will be the second set of remains that are a question mark that could be her out there. I really don't know if I'm going to be able to give you more updates in the future. that's going to depend on what happens next um but i will say right now i am going to fight to get that dna testing done even if it's not alissa those remains are someone and they deserve to be brought home but let's move on to margaret's case i will say in terms of media discrepancies um there were a few i addressed them really most of them in this episode um and most of the coverage is older, so it is a bit more consistent, I will say, than we tend to see when, I mean, honestly, when these like newer dramatized TV specials come into place.

36:57So overall, not a ton of media discrepancies. The reporting was pretty straightforward. There were just a few things, like I said, you know, was it the man or the wife who was supposed to meet her there? There was a little discrepancy about which clothing was found, stuff like that. The next thing I have on my list is talking about what's normal now versus the 1970s. You know, I've seen a lot of criticism towards the parents in this case. You know, how could you let your kids place this ad? How could you let her, you know, take the bus? How could you let her go to this man's house? And, you know, while I'm not saying, like, let your kid do this now, you know, it was pretty common back then.

37:43And I think that showed in the episode. You know, we have three girls in just this one episode that placed ads in their local paper, you know, for babysitting services. This is just how things were done back then. I also think that this really was like more of an age of innocence, as naive as that might sound. You know, things might not have been safer, but it certainly felt safer. You know, you didn't have this massive online social media, you know, breaking news right now for you guys type of news cycle out there. It was a little bit different, and I think people felt safer. I don't know. I just felt like that was worth acknowledging.

38:27I know that I do have some younger listeners that may not understand that this kind of stuff was really normal for back then. My next item on the list is ham radio man. I don't know, maybe I'm just a skeptic and I really hope and honestly believe that they probably had more information to rule that guy out. But when I read these articles that was like, yeah, you know, he showed this log from his ham radio hobby or whatever. No offense to the ham radio enthusiasts out there. You know, he showed this log and he was on the ham radio. We cleared him. That just stunned me. And I just wanted to bring that up.

39:12I feel like, I don't know, I feel like maybe it was just the way that the media reported it or maybe what law enforcement was telling the media. It was just like really weird. And I was not satisfied with that conclusion for whatever that's worth. The next thing on my list is DNA. I think that there's a lot of hope in this case. You guys know me. I'm always going to say that there's hope in these cases, but they have DNA, which I think is incredible considering this case is from 1974. The fact that they went back, got that DNA sample from hair, which is not easy to do. I'm thinking about the year, right?

39:532019. No, no, no. I'm sorry. it was 2005 that they developed the sample. That wasn't easy to do. Yeah, so I just think it's really cool that they have DNA, and that does bring me right to the hero of this episode. I do want to give a shout out to like the many detectives that work this case that seemed incredibly passionate. The volunteer detectives, the detectives who were paid to work this case. I love to see it I love to see detectives who just want to help who are very very passionate it makes it clear that they were in the right line of work but specifically my hero of this episode is detective burr coming back at age 80 you guys the tears the tears I cried um that is amazing I think that is so freaking sweet he came back and was like you know this this case was never solved.

40:52It's the only case I never solved and I want to solve it. This man could be, you know, on an island in Bermuda, in Hawaii, on the beach, the beaches of New Jersey, whatever. But instead, he was there helping work this case. That is fantastic. I love it. I love it. I love it. I also want to say that I also really, really appreciate his honesty when he admitted that there was this rivalry between local police and the FBI that could have hindered the case, I thought that was really brave, to be honest. You don't see many officers who are willing to be so open about missteps like this to say, hey, I think that we kind of messed up there and that could have hurt the case.

41:39You just don't see it a lot. It's not totally unheard of, but it's not very common. So shout out to Detective Burr for being dedicated and being honest. You rock. Now it's time for our segment of hope. This is from Newsweek.com, and our author is Mandy Tahiri. The headline reads, Missing teen girl found alive after nearly three weeks, over 600 miles from home. This is rather new. This is from May 12, 2025, just a few days before this episode airs. And they are not naming the girl, which good for her. And it says, quote,

42:32It goes on to say, On April 20th at 1.30 a.m., the teen was reported missing from Roseville, Michigan after running away. She was described as a missing, endangered child with thoughts of suicide. So obviously a very, very scary case. I can't even imagine what her family was going through, but she was found after 17 days. It looks like she was found in North Carolina after law enforcement surrounded a motel where she was staying with a 26-year-old man. He has been taken into custody, thank goodness. It looks like what led up to this were there were a bunch of sightings of this girl, people called it in, they saw something, and they said something, you guys, and it led to her coming home safe and away from this 26-year-old man.

43:20This makes our segment of hope for obvious reasons, and also, you know, I know that she was listed as endangered with a possible threat to herself, but it's really great to see when law enforcement does follow tips and engage in investigations of runaway children. You guys know how I feel about that. Runaway kids are still missing. They are all in danger until they are found. So I just love to see it. And again, it makes our segment of hope because she was brought home safe. But as always, thank you. I love you. And I'll talk to you next time.

From the publisher

In 1974, 14-year-old Margaret Ellen Fox left her family home in Burlington, New Jersey, full of hope and anticipation. She was on her way to what she believed would be a promising babysitting job — a chance to earn a little money and take one more step toward independence, but Margaret never came home.

Fourteen-year-old Margaret Ellen Fox was last seen boarding a bus on June 24, 1974, in Burlington, NJ. She has blue eyes and brown hair. At the time of her disappearance, she was 5’2” and weighed approximately 105 lbs. Two of her top right teeth were missing, and she wore eyeglasses. She was last seen wearing jeans with a yellow patch on the knee, a blue blouse, a white and black checkered jacket, and brown sandals with a heel strap. She was also wearing a gold necklace with flowers and a blue stone, and a gold charm bracelet with a blue stone. Margaret was carrying an eyeglass case with a Huckleberry Hound design on it.

Anyone with information is urged to contact the FBI Newark Field office at 973-792-3000. You can also submit tips online anonymously at Tips.FBI.GOV.

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