In short
Episode “Mini-Stories: Volume 21” (99% Invisible) is a holiday recap of three short, loosely connected stories. Topic 1: the Luxor Pyramid in Las Vegas. Guest/producer Chris Berube (99PI producer) revisits the Great American Pyramid comparison: Memphis’s pyramid became a Bass Pro Shop, while Luxor remains the Luxor Casino. Key claims/examples: Luxor has no elevators; it uses 39-degree inclinator rails. A nightly “sky beam” is powered by xenon-gas spotlights with a sun-tracker; at full power it’s compared to 42 billion candles and is visible from California. Notable example: 2019’s grasshopper swarm (about 45 million on the Strip) was drawn to urban lights, with insects and predators (bats/owls) clustering around the beam. Topic 2: Gale.com typo traffic. Guest/producer Vivian Leigh shares Gale.com, a nearly empty “G-A-I-L dot com” page that gets ~5.95M hits in 2020 due to misspelling Gmail.com; she notes the domain was gifted in 1996 and rejects ~1.2M misaddressed emails weekly. Topic 3: Catholic medical miracles. Guest/producer Jason DeLeon discusses Pope Leo declaring a Rhode Island miracle (Pawtucket, Jan 14 2007) after a prayer restored a baby’s heartbeat.
Key claims
miracles require (1) healing following prayer, (2) unexplained by scientific knowledge, and (3) lasting; cases are investigated locally, then reviewed at the Vatican Dicastery for the Causes of Saints, with medical experts acting as modern “devil’s advocate,” and final approval involves bishops/the Pope.
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Chapters
Tap a time to open that second in VOThe Origin of Mini-Stories
1:06 to 1:44
Roman explains the concept and evolution of mini-stories on the show.
“Nearly a decade ago, I had this thought that at the end of the year, it would be nice to tell a few little stories.”
The Great American Pyramid Story
1:44 to 2:14
Chris Berube shares insights about the Great American Pyramid in Memphis.
“And suddenly, many stories were not so many.”
Comparing Pyramids: Memphis vs. Las Vegas
2:14 to 2:52
Discussion on the rivalry between the Great American Pyramid and the Luxor Pyramid.
“So, Roman, I want to call back to a story we did a little bit earlier this year.”
Unique Features of the Luxor Pyramid
2:52 to 3:44
Exploration of unique features of the Luxor Pyramid, including its inclinators.
“So, Roman, we did this story about the Great American Pyramid in Memphis, Tennessee.”
The Luxor Sky Beam
3:44 to 4:52
Discussing the incredible Luxor sky beam and its impact on the Las Vegas skyline.
“That reminds me of the sort of skyscraper wars in the early 20th century, just like just slightly taller.”
The Ecological Impact of the Sky Beam
4:52 to 6:16
Examining how the Luxor beam attracts insects and affects local wildlife.
“That was something that came up in the Great Pyramid episode.”
Grasshopper Invasion in Las Vegas
6:16 to 10:08
Discussing the 2019 grasshopper invasion in Las Vegas and its causes.
“I was coming over this hill and then suddenly you just see the beam.”
The Fate of the Grasshopper Swarm
10:08 to 10:54
Exploring the aftermath of the grasshopper swarm and its impact on Las Vegas.
“So these grasshoppers don't live super long.”
The Mystery of Gale.com
10:54 to 14:01
Vivian Leigh shares the fascinating story of the website Gale.com and its accidental traffic.
“Up next, waiting patiently in our Zoom room.”
Gail.com and Typo Squatting
14:01 to 16:46
Learn about the fascinating case of Gail.com and the concept of typo squatting.
“So according to Gail's fact page, too, her email provider rejects around 1.2 million misaddressed emails to Gail.com a week.”
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The Rhode Island Miracle and Vatican Process
18:56 to 28:05
Explore the story of a miracle declared by the Pope and the complex investigation process.
“And one of the highlights for me, at least, was the conclave.”
The Process of Determining Sainthood
28:05 to 29:17
Explore how the Church verifies potential saints and the significance of miracles.
“Are we positive that they are worthy of sainthood?”
The Joy of a New Pope
29:17 to 30:37
Hear a humorous take on the excitement surrounding the election of a new pope.
“And for me, at least, that's what I find interesting about this process.”
Transcript
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1:25Maybe it's something completely new. Many stories were a way to have some fun at the end of the year and for the staff to take a proper vacation. That was how it all started. But over the years, many stories have become a monster. Everyone started preparing really heavily for them. They started reporting them as full stories. And suddenly, many stories were not so many. So this year, I decided unilaterally to stop mini inflation and go back to the fundamentals. All the producers are going to join me in a Zoom room together and tell me stories that I have not heard before. I am not prepared. I don't know anything about what's going to be told to me.
2:01So let's just jump in. And first up is producer Chris Berube. Chris, how are you doing? Roman, it is the most wonderful time of the year. Many stories. Let's do this. I like the attitude. What do you have for us? So, Roman, I want to call back to a story we did a little bit earlier this year. It's a story that I reported about the Great American Pyramid. A new pyramid is being built not to glorify death, but as a monument that will celebrate life and man's indomitable spirit to create. Feel the power of the Great American Pyramid.
2:44So did you just want an excuse to play that clip again? Yeah, pretty much. That's the whole story. That's all I got. No, I have more pyramid stuff. So, Roman, we did this story about the Great American Pyramid in Memphis, Tennessee. Of course, today, the Great American Pyramid is a Bass Pro Shop. That's right. And when it opened in 1991, it was supposed to be the tallest pyramid in the United States. But, Roman, did you know shortly after the construction of the Great American Pyramid, there was an even bigger American pyramid? How much bigger are we talking? So the Great American Pyramid was 32 stories high.
3:22I was there for the story. I was inside the building. It really feels cavernous when you're in there. Like, it's really big. And then in 1993, two years after the pyramid opened, another pyramid opened in Las Vegas, Nevada, and it was 350 feet tall. So that was a whopping 29 feet taller than the Great American Pyramid. Oh, that's so mean. That reminds me of the sort of skyscraper wars in the early 20th century, just like just slightly taller. Yeah, it feels petty, right? It feels extremely deliberate. And I assume it was on purpose. I asked around. I talked to people. Nobody could confirm that for me.
4:00But you have to assume, right? Yeah, yeah. So in your story, if I remember correctly, the city of Memphis had a problem finding a use for the pyramid after it sort of failed as a venue. It's now this woodsy mall that has a Bass Pro shop in it. So what are they doing with this Las Vegas pyramid? So the Vegas pyramid, it has had one use the whole time. It is home to the Luxor Casino. Oh, that's right. Much like the Memphis pyramid, it also has a hotel inside and it has lots of attractions for tourists. There's this big room with lots of old Titanic stuff in it. It's a really interesting building.
4:34And actually, it has one very unique pyramid feature that I'd like to draw your attention to. There are no elevators inside. We actually have inclinators that go up the side of the building at 39 degrees. So this is Billy Padovis. He's the facilities director at the Luxor Pyramid. It's almost like a roller coaster as you're going up the steep incline before the drop. Rides on a rail and wheels. It pulls you up the side. That is so cool. I love going up an incline plane. I love an inclinator. That was something that came up in the Great Pyramid episode. I love the idea of it. That's right. They actually never built theirs.
5:11They just built an elevator right in the center. So this one actually has inclinators on the side. But Roman, there is one other feature of this pyramid that is very famous. It is very striking. So at the top of the Luxor pyramid, there is this very powerful light that beams up into the sky every night. I have shared a photo with you if you want to take a look at it. This is the beam. That is amazing looking. That is like a little scary, like an ominous black pyramid with light coming out of it. It's kind of like Stargate, that movie Stargate. Does that predate you, Stargate? No, no, I've seen Stargate.
5:45I mean, to me, it reminds me of the opening credits of Ancient Aliens. Like, it's just kind of this ridiculous looking – like, yeah, it is a black pyramid with a beam shooting straight up to like a mothership or something. Like, that's what it looks like. And the Luxor sky beam, it has become this fixture of the Vegas skyline because it's really hard to miss, obviously. So at full power, the beam is said to have the same luminosity as 42 billion candles being lit at the same time. and it is so powerful. Apparently, airline pilots can see the Luxor beam from California. And actually, a couple of years ago, I drove into Las Vegas for a story.
6:19I was coming over this hill and then suddenly you just see the beam. That's like the first thing you see that indicates like, oh yeah, like Vegas is over there. We're getting really close to Vegas. It's like this incredible tool for navigation. So how does a beam like that work? Like, is it just one big light bulb? Is there lots of light bulbs? I can't sort of fathom how you get something so bright and so clear. Right. So you're correct. It is a series of very bright light bulbs that are all using xenon gas. It started out as spotlights that uses a super bright light bulb. It's a sun tracker. You know, when it gets dark outside, the light comes on.
6:54When it gets bright, it turns off. It's certainly very Las Vegas to have like a bright light that turns on every single night, whether you want it or not. You know what I mean? But it's so bright that you can see it from California, you said. And is that distracting? Is it dangerous if you're like flying a plane or something like that? I mean, that's a great question. And as best I can tell, there have been no incidents with airline pilots, helicopters, anything like that. But there is an issue that comes with operating a light of this size. It attracts the natural world. Just like when you turn on your light at home, that moth always goes towards the light.
7:31When we turn the beam on, And there's moths up there. And then, you know, with moths, they bring predators. Bats come in and they eat. And there is an ecosystem up there. So you get insects, you get bats, you get owls, you get all kinds of birds that are drawn in by this thing. And Billy says that normally it's fine. Like they circle around the lights. Then the birds and the insects disperse when the light goes off. And it's interesting because I first became aware of the Luxor beam because of a news story in 2019 about a very serious bug problem that came to the Las Vegas Strip. Oh, no. So, Roman, I'm actually going to ask you to watch the video for a second and just give a reaction to what you're saying on screen.
8:12In Sin City, it's the insect invasion putting on a show no one can escape. A 24-7 onslaught of grasshoppers. For many, the first impression felt downright biblical. A migrating horde of bugs so big you could even see them from space. Oh, my God. Yeah, it just covered like every surface of the Vegas Strip for a couple of weeks. And this was 2019. So in 2019, Nevada had this very rainy winter and then it had this very mild spring. And that is the exact cocktail for a productive breeding season for the pallid winged grasshopper. And it is notable that these grasshoppers are drawn to artificial lights.
8:49What we saw was that the urban lights in Las Vegas sort of act as an attractant on the landscape, drawing these insects in to what is otherwise very poor habitat, right? Parking lots in the strip of Vegas is not an interesting or attractive place for a grasshopper to be, but this light is drawing them in. So this is Dr. Elske Tylens. She's an insect biologist who studied this giant swarm of grasshoppers. And using radar data, she says it's clear the grasshoppers were moving towards Vegas at night when all these artificial lights were on, right? So at its peak, according to Dr. Tylens, there were about 45 million grasshoppers on the Vegas Strip.
9:28I can't even imagine that number. It is a tremendous number. It's more grasshoppers than that Las Vegas gets human visitors over the course of a year. So Vegas was this magnet for grasshoppers. And in all this news coverage, there is footage of these grasshoppers swirling around in the sky beam. And Billy says, OK, yes, there were a ton of bugs. There were so many bugs. Nobody could walk around without being swarmed by bugs. But this was not specifically the beam's fault. Right. Las Vegas has lots of artificial lights. And Dr. Tylance, she says, yes, we cannot single out the sky beam here. So is this still a problem?
10:03Was it just that season? No, Las Vegas is not still overwhelmed by grasshoppers. This was a fairly short phenomenon. So these grasshoppers don't live super long. Most of them died off pretty fast. So the workers in Las Vegas had to clean up these giant piles of dead grasshoppers. But after seeing all this footage, like, it is hard for me not to think about the giant swarms of grasshoppers when I think about the sky beam and the Luxor pyramid. Right. It was not their fault, but it is hard to get that image out of my head. yeah it is a haunting image um well thank you so much chris this is fantastic so are you gonna give us like pyramid stories like all the time now you're the pyramid correspondent i guess i could do the trans america pyramid next absolutely that's what's next that's what i want i guess so i should note that is actually the tallest pyramid in america i i think it's the luxor is by volume the biggest pyramid trans america's tallest i don't know you can send me to egypt maybe that's the next step in all of this we'll work on it thank you chris thanks roman Up next, waiting patiently in our Zoom room.
11:03Actually, probably not waiting all that patiently. Honestly, she was the one complaining the most about having to sit on the rest of the Zoom. The rest of us is Vivian Leigh. Vivian, what do you have for us? Roman, you asked us to keep it simple. So I am leaning out this year and I am just going to share a website that I've been fascinated with for years now, I think. So Roman, can you do me a favor? Go to your browser and type in G-A-I-L dot com. G-A-I-L dot com. Okay. And then what do you see? It says, hello and welcome to Gale.com fact. This is a very simple text-based website. It's a gray background, black type, and it has a few questions and answers.
11:44Yes. And so the whole website is maybe a page long. Yeah. There's like nine questions and answers. And the first question reads, question, why isn't there any content here? Can't you at least throw up a picture of your cat for the internet to check out? And the answer is, sorry, I have a cat, but she's pretty unexciting by internet standards. As for why there is very little content here, we wanted to keep the server's attack surface as small as possible to keep it safe. Intriguing. So what are we looking at here? So although there is very little content on Gale.com, this webpage actually gets a ton of traffic.
12:22And that's because Gale.com is a really common typo for Gmail.com. Oh, that's so funny. That totally checks out. That totally seems like an internet thing. Yeah, exactly. So according to the Gale.com fact page, in the year 2020, it received a total of 5 ,950 ,012 hits, which was an average of about 16 ,257 hits per day. So it's a pretty steady flow of people, you know, missing the M in Gmail. And I was curious. So I checked the stats for our website, 99pi.org, which you plug at the end of every single episode. And Gale.com gets about three times as much traffic as us. And much of that by accident, too.
13:12Okay. So who actually owns Gale.com? I mean, Gale does. It's as simple as that. So who's Gale? I honestly don't know much about her from what I could tell. Gail is a pretty private person. I haven't been able to find any interviews with her and I've actually been trying to get in touch with her for about four years now. So I feel like I could safely say she's not interested in speaking with me. But according to the fact page, Gail received the domain name as a birthday present from her husband back in 1996, which was actually about eight years before Gmail even existed. And fun fact, her husband who gifted her the domain, his name is Kevin and he is the owner of Kevin.org, which which redirects you to his LinkedIn profile.
13:57He was a man ahead of his time. Oh, yeah. Kevin was living in the year 2004. for. So according to Gail's fact page, too, her email provider rejects around 1.2 million misaddressed emails to Gail.com a week. Whoa. So that's a whole nother level of server load. In addition to the six million visits, they get all this email that is not meant for them. That is crazy. I mean, you would think that with all these accidental visits every year to Gail.com, it would be kind of a valuable property. Like you could put up more than just a fact page, you know, like, or even that Google itself would want to buy it just to avoid any of this confusion.
14:35Yeah, yeah. I don't know if Google has ever attempted to buy Gale.com, but it does already own a bunch of misspelled versions of Google.com. That makes sense. Like G-O-Google, like G-O. That's exactly correct. Yes, they do own Google.com. They also own GooGel.com, Google with three O's. And then my personal favorite is gulge.com. So if you type any of those into your web browser, it'll actually take you to Google. A lot of companies, like larger companies, will buy the common misspellings of their websites to prevent people from doing this thing called typo squatting. Have you ever heard of that, Roman?
15:11I haven't heard of it, but I can kind of get it through context. Could you describe it a little bit more? Yeah, yeah. So it's like when a bad actor purposefully registers a similar, like a misspelling of a domain name to either like trick people into visiting their site. They use it for phishing schemes too, or they'll try to sell it back to the company for a profit. Yeah. Which is clearly not what Gail was doing. She predates all of this stuff. Gail seems just perfectly content, chilling on the domain name. She says pretty adamantly in the fact page, if you read it, you know, she's like, yes, I know that I can monetize this, but no, I am not interested.
15:43So thank you very much. That's awesome. Long live Gail.com. I'm a big fan of Gail without knowing who she is personally. This is a great story, Viv, and you kept to the many parameters very, very nicely. So thank you so much. I did as little work as possible, yes. But before I go, I did want to leave you with my second favorite example of a mistyped website. So, Roman, you know the site github.com, right? Yes, yes. It's sort of this website for checking in and storing coding projects and stuff like that, right? Yeah, yeah. Nobody really knows what it is. But so it's spelled G-I-T-H-U-B dot com.
16:23But can you do me another favor? Go back to your browser and type in G-U-T-H-I-B dot com. So just invert the U and the I in GitHub. Guthib. Oh, this is a big four words that says you spelled it wrong, period. Yes. Awesome. That's so great. Well, thank you so much for this story, Vivian. I really had fun. Thank you, Roman.
16:53Okay, we're going to take a quick break here and we'll be right back with another mini story.
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19:05Hey, Jason. Hey there, Roman Mars. So we are wrapping up 2025 here. And one of the highlights for me, at least, was the conclave. Do you remember the conclave? Not like the movie conclave, but you mean like the real conclave. I mean the spectacle of the conclave. I mean the Catholic Church conclave. Where we got the Chicago Pope. Yes. Yes. The Chicago Pope. Did that rock your world, Roman? I know you're a Chicago guy. Well, I thought it was delightful that he was a Chicago Pope because like when you know who the Pope's favorite baseball team is, like I think you're entering a more different world.
19:38It's so true. Like for me, I'm a big like I'm a hat guy and seeing the Pope rock a White Sox hat. I was like, is this dude part of NWA? Like what is going on? That's awesome. So anyway, I bring this up because one of the first actions the Pope took actually really hit home for me specifically. So I live in Rhode Island and Pope Leo declared the first miracle of his papacy right here in my home state. OK, I did not hear about this. So tell me about the miracle of Rhode Island. Yeah. So this miracle, it took place in Pawtucket, which is like a small city right on the border with Providence. And the story goes that on the night of January 14th, 2007, a baby boy was born with a faint pulse.
20:23So the medical team worked on him for like over an hour, and they just didn't have any signs of improvement. And pretty soon, they couldn't find a heartbeat at all. So the attending doctor recited a prayer. Basically, this final plea to a 19th century Spanish priest from his hometown. And right after the doctor said this prayer, the boy's heartbeat returned. His breathing was normal, and miraculously, he grew up without complications. Oh, wow. Wow. Well, it's such a scary moment, of course. I don't know if I would necessarily qualify this as a miracle. I don't know if I want to weigh in on sort of divine intervention, but I'm really happy it turned out this way.
21:04Yes, likewise. Look, I don't want to particularly get into the miracle, not miracle of this all, but the reason I'm bringing this to the table is because I just find it interesting that this happened back in 2007, like 19 years ago. So, so wait, the incident happened in 2007, but Pope Leo declared it a miracle like this year. He declared it a miracle in June of this year. Wow. Okay. So why, why the time gap? What was going on there? So, yeah, I called up a priest to talk about this. His name is Father Dorian Llewellyn. He's a theologian at Loyola Marymount University in Los Angeles. And Father Dorian told me that in order to declare a miracle in the Catholic Church, you have to go through a pretty elaborate process.
21:51It's a bureaucratic, necessarily bureaucratic process. And I have to tell you a little secret, which is that Vatican bureaucracy is not the most efficient in the world. I kind of gathered that from the Conclave movie, actually. So how does this process work? Like, how does the Catholic Church define a miracle? So I should say off the top here that I'm going to focus on medical miracles kind of specifically because me and Father Dorian mostly talked about that. And so, yeah, these medical miracles, they have to check three boxes. The first, the healing must directly follow a prayer to a holy person.
22:25The second, the healing must take place in ways that the best informed scientific knowledge cannot account for. And the third is that the healing must be lasting. Interesting. So how is it determined whether all those three criteria happened in the Rhode Island miracle? Yeah. So in the case of the Rhode Island miracle, the Diocese of Providence, they like, they caught wind of this story. And the first thing they do is they get a group of people together to investigate it. So you have to look at it almost like a government commission. So you have to meet with the people, you have to take notes, You have to take into account medical records.
23:03It's forensic in that way. You're trying to investigate. Well, what are the facts? Tell us the facts before we start interpreting them. I mean, this almost sounds like a TV show. So who is part of this investigative team? This is so exciting. Yeah, you have the Chicago Pope, which could be like a TV show. And now you have Medical Miracles, which is probably another show. I bet you if I've turned on Hulu with TLC right now, that show is on there right now. 100%. I guarantee it. But anyway, this investigative team, generally, there's a bishop involved. There's a local team from the church that tries to get firsthand accounts of the event.
23:38The church also gets independent doctors to look at medical records, and they basically try to figure out if there's some scientific explanation for what happened. And if the group determines that there's still something that can't quite be explained, then it goes higher up the chain. How high up the chain? Are we talking like it goes to the Vatican? It goes to the Vatican, yeah. So the local diocese, they basically put together this dossier that goes to a department in the Vatican called the Dicastery for the Causes of Saints. And they have an office in the Vatican City. Yeah, there is an office.
24:11You know, I mean, it's a physical office, which of people who, you know, go to work and drink coffee and, you know, have lunch. And they're like, what's the miracle today that we're looking at? They do. I mean, it's part of the portfolio. So, Roman, something I should explain here is that the Dicastery for the Causes of Saints is a department that oversees the beatification and canonization process. Do you have any idea what those words are? Yeah, well, that's how you determine if like a holy person is actually a saint, right? That's right. There is a process to determine who is worthy of sainthood in the Catholic Church.
24:47And the reason miracles go through this office is because you need two miracles to become a saint. So it's like this is like your resume, like under special skills, it's like started stopped hearts and stuff like that. You need like a couple of miracles on your resume to make it to sainthood. Exactly. Yeah, exactly. And so in the Rhode Island miracle, that 19th century Spanish priest that the doctor prayed to, that priest is now on the path to sainthood. The Rhode Island miracle is involved in the beatification of a Spanish priest whose file was dormant for a long, long, long, long time. And then I think somebody got really interested in the case and literally blew the cobwebs off and started doing more investigation.
25:30So what's the next step here? Like the case is now in the Vatican's hands and what happens? Right. So in this department at the Vatican, the Dicastery for the Causes of Saints, which I just love saying, they perform basically a whole other investigation to the miracle. They gather their own eyewitness accounts. They go back through the medical records. And for a long time, there was actually an official role in this office for the devil's advocate. Wait, so is this like the origin of that term? Devil's advocate? Yeah, it comes from this. It comes from this one job at the dicastery for the causes of saints.
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26:05And the role for the devil's advocate was to find arguments against canonization. And one way you could do that is by poking holes in the miracles. Oh, I am so fascinated by this process. That's so interesting. I think the process is really interesting, too, but it did change in the 1980s. That title isn't really the title anymore. They have a different, more administrative kind of role or whatever. But today, the people who are poking holes in these miracles are mostly the medical experts. And Father Dorian actually knows a few of these people. My impression with them is that they're more likely to weigh on the edge of declaring something to have natural, purely medical explanation.
26:45They are not in the business of creating miracles or declaring miracles. It's not in their interest because they want the process to be as objective and as credible as possible. That is so interesting. It's so fascinating to have all this apparatus around them. And like you said, like, these are all full-time jobs. They go to the office. They do a thing. Like, who is putting this all together? Like, who pays for all this stuff? That is a great question, Roman, because I think getting a miracle through this process is kind of a miracle in and of itself. So it can cost tens of thousands, if not hundreds of thousands of dollars to go through the beatification and canonization process.
27:27And, you know, it's in that process that miracles get reviewed. So it's definitely not cheap. And it helps big time if you have a booster or someone with a lot of money who's interested in the cause. And actually, one of the big reasons these causes get stuck in a sort of purgatory is because it's just so expensive to keep these things moving. So what then happens if this miracle makes it through this new round of medical review and then a second investigation? Does it become a miracle at that point? So it has one more level to go through. And this is essentially going in front of a bunch of bishops and theologians at the Vatican.
28:04And they're determining, hey, is the person on the path to sainthood really a saint? Are we positive that they are worthy of sainthood? This is where you just make sure that they're not like an axe murderer or something. Yes. Oh, my God. That would be bad. But also part of this process that they're going through is just determining like, are these miracles good? Are we buttoned up? Are we sure? Because if someone can easily explain away one of these miracles, that's like not a good look for the church. But it's also not a good look for the church to call something a miracle if it is done by a person who isn't really saint worthy either.
28:47So it becomes kind of it's like you want the miracle to be a miracle. You also want the saint to be saintly. And if the two come together, then they're both kind of verified by each other. Yeah, I think there's a little bit of that going on for sure. But, you know, if it's able to jump through all these hoops, this miracle, it goes up to the Pope. And ultimately, they say yay or nay. And in this Rhode Island case, and in a lot of cases, this can take years, even like decades, for all of this to square away. And for me, at least, that's what I find interesting about this process. It just goes a pretty long way to make a miracle mean something.
29:25You know, just because if you can call anything a miracle, then nothing is a miracle. That's right. Like if you give out too many miracles, then everyone can be a saint and you don't want that either. I'm no Saint Roman, but yes, that's the logic. Did I ever tell you like one of my favorite pieces of box pop tape that was ever recorded and put on the radio was when Ratzinger was selected as Pope and there's this NPR story featuring this young man who's just like losing it for Ratzinger. And he's like over the moon at Ratzinger becoming Pope. And he's like, we have a new Pope. And it's like, it's an awesome new Pope.
29:58We have two great popes right after another. Oh, it's awesome. He feels awesome. Such an awesome pope. Following an awesome pope like Pope John Paul the Great. This is really amazing. Two awesome popes right after another. It means that he'll continue the great work of Pope John Paul. I'm sure he'll continue World Youth Day. And he's just an awesome holy man. It just cracks me up and it makes me smile. And it's just like, I love that. This person is happier about this than I've ever been about anything in my entire life. And he just makes me happy to hear him. Two great posts, one after the other.
30:37Anyway, well, this was fascinating stuff. I had no idea where all this stuff came from. I love it. Well, happy holidays to you and the family, Jay, and have a brilliant 2026. I appreciate it, Roman.
30:5299 % Invisible was produced this week by Chris Berube, Vivian Leigh, and Jason DeLeon. Mixed by Martine Gonzalez. Music by Swan Real. Fact-checking by Graham Heysha. Special thanks this week to Emily Labajoff at the Luxor for help on Chris Berube's story. Next week, Kurt Kolstad is going to take us beyond the 99 % Invisible City. It's a very fun episode next week. And then we'll be back with more mini-stories in the new year. Kathy Tu is our executive producer Kurt Kolstad is the digital director Delaney Hall is our senior editor The rest of the team includes Emmett Fitzgerald, Christopher Johnson Lashemadon, Joe Rosenberg, Kelly Prime Jacob Medina-Gleason Talon and Rain Stradley and me, Roman Mars The 99 % Invisible logo was created by Stephan Lawrence We are part of the SiriusXM podcast family now headquartered six blocks north in the Pandora building in beautiful uptown Oakland, California You can find us on all the usual social media sites as well as our own Discord server.
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