In short
The episode traces yodeling’s history from Swiss folk tradition to an international phenomenon—especially its role in shaping American country music—while also explaining how Swiss yodeling was regulated during WWII and how younger artists are reinventing it today.
Guests (and backgrounds)
Roman Mars hosts. Reporter and Basel resident Gabe Bullard interviews yodelers and experts. Musicologist Yannick Wei studies Alpine music and plays alphorn. Nadia Rass is a leading Swiss yodeler and runs a college yodeling program at Hochschule Luzern. Historian Jocelyn Neal focuses on American popular music. (Also featured: Swiss yodelers Anita Fieliger; Francisca Morgan; Gabriela Santamaria; and DeZurek sisters Mary Jane and Carolyn DeZurek.)
Key claims
Yodeling likely originated as cattle-herder communication or ritual practice; early documentation includes a “toodle of a devilish song” reference (~year 400) and later 16th-century traveler accounts. Tourism turned yodeling into performance. In the U.S., Jimmy Rogers combined alpine yodel with blues forms, helping create country. Swiss WWII “spiritual defense” and a 1943 yodel textbook standardized “pure Swiss” styles. Today, younger Swiss performers are mixing yodel with jazz/classical and even reggaeton.
Notable examples
Jodlerfest in Basel; “Tea for Texas” (1927) and “Blue Yodel” by Jimmy Rogers; Clarence Williams’ “Yodeling Blues” (recorded in the 1920s); Mark Twain’s complaint about excessive yodeling; early U.S. recordings like George P. Watson (late 1890s) and “Calliope Song” by the Seven Musical Magpies (1924); Swiss alum Andrea Kutl’s band Quartz; Swiss-Spanish artist Vagamundos sampling yodel in reggaeton.
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Chapters
Tap a time to open that second in VOCelebrating Yodeling at Jodlerfest
1:11 to 2:18
Explore the festivities and atmosphere of Jodlerfest in Basel.
“It's a sweltering June morning in Basel, Switzerland.”
The Tradition of Yodeling
2:18 to 4:04
Learn about the history and cultural significance of yodeling.
“And everywhere I go, from every direction, I can hear yodeling.”
Yodeling's Global Journey
4:04 to 6:10
Discover how yodeling spread from the Alps to America.
“Most of us know what a yodel sounds like, but maybe not how it's made.”
The Evolution of Yodeling in America
6:10 to 8:06
Understand how yodeling evolved in American music culture.
“He also plays the Alphorn, you know, the horns that the guys play in the regola commercials.”
Jimmy Rogers and Yodeling's Influence
8:06 to 14:03
Learn about Jimmy Rogers and his impact on integrating yodeling into American music.
“For centuries, these yodels bounced around the Alps, entertaining lonely herders, maybe being sung in mountain taverns or around a family dinner table.”
The Birth of Country Music: Jimmy Rogers
14:03 to 17:43
Explore how Jimmy Rogers blended blues and yodeling to create a new genre.
“He played what was called at the time hillbilly music, a catch-all term for music from the white working class South.”
Yodeling's Evolution in the 20th Century
17:43 to 22:04
Learn about the rise of yodeling in American entertainment and its cultural significance.
“Rogers would record a dozen more, including one with Louis Armstrong on trumpet.”
Swiss Yodeling: Tradition vs. Modernity
22:04 to 24:29
Discover how Swiss yodeling has been preserved and adapted over generations.
“Also known as the Swiss Yodeling Association Training Fundamentals for Yodeling Women and Yodeling Men.”
The New Wave of Yodeling
24:29 to 26:21
Explore how contemporary artists are reinventing yodeling in new musical genres.
“On the day I visited, students put on a concert that included a song written by Nadia.”
The New Wave of Yodeling
26:32 to 27:38
Explore how contemporary artists are reinventing yodeling in new musical genres.
“After the break, some of our favorite yodeling deep cuts.”
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28:52 to 29:29
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The History of Yodeling in America
29:29 to 35:45
Discover the origins and evolution of yodeling in American music.
“So Gabe, this story had some really amazing archival recordings, but there are also a lot of yodels that got left on the cutting room floor, and we wanted to play a few of them.”
Transcript
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1:11It's a sweltering June morning in Basel, Switzerland. Trams roll through the streets. Some people get their first coffee, while others cool off in the Rhine. I'm coming up here to the Munsterplatz. This is the big cathedral in the square. That's reporter and Basel resident Gabe Bullard. There's a group here of people in their traditional outfits, the dark pants, white shirts, suspenders with idol vice. But this isn't everyday Basel. Gabe is attending a celebration of Swiss folk music that happens every three years, called Jodlerfest. Jodlerfest is what I imagine people outside of Switzerland think the country is like every day.
1:56It's like a snow globe idea of Switzerland. People are in their long-sleeved traditional clothes, sitting at long wooden tables, eating meals that are mostly melted cheese, even though we're in a record heat wave. A couple times, I pass by one of those wood cutouts where you put your face through to take a photo. These are of a man and woman in traditional Swiss clothes out in the mountains. And everywhere I go, from every direction, I can hear yodeling.
2:32Some people here have been jodeling all their lives, like Anita Fieliger from central Switzerland. Yeah, I'm a mountain girl. I have seven sisters and brothers. And then we take jodeling and music as far as a hobby and family. Yeah. Others are here to just bask in the sounds, like Francisca Morgan and Gabriela Santamaria. I've always found it very attractive, very beautiful, all that has to do with folklore. In any culture, folklore is like the best thing ever. Francisca and Gabriela live in the area, and I met them as they were walking between food stalls set up to look like mountain chalets.
3:14They had just come from a yodeling class, their first time trying it.
3:26That was wonderful. Thank you so much. Yodlerfest is, at its core, a celebration of an old and beloved folk tradition. Some of the melodies drifting out from the street corners and buildings are the same ones you could hear in a small mountain town hundreds of years ago. But beyond Yodlerfest and the streets of Basel, Yodeling has had a much bigger and much more international arc. Because in the early 19th century, yodeling broke containment. This very Swiss tradition escaped the Alps, traveled across the Atlantic, and helped define a quintessentially American style of music. I don't know what I do.
4:08All I do is that desire.
4:14Most of us know what a yodel sounds like, but maybe not how it's made. That unmistakable sound of the yodel is the result of a physiological flip that happens inside the singer's body. The yodel is a singing technique where we use the different registers. So for example, the head voice, or the chest voice, and very typical for yodeling is to switch between that two.
4:46Nadia Ras is one of the leading voices, metaphorically and literally, of Swiss yodeling today. The register switch is something that happens naturally, even accidentally, like if your voice cracks while you're shouting. And people around the world have been making music with this vocal quirk for centuries. In Iran, it's called Tahrir singing.
5:11In Georgia, Crimanchuli.
5:19Within the Alps, different countries and even different valleys have their own unique versions of this singing. There's a classic Swiss yodel,
5:32which is markedly different than, say, an Austrian yodel.
5:42Despite what we know about its regional variations, the origins of the Alpine yodel are shrouded in mountain mist. History is just a loose end. It's in the dark. We cannot say it goes back to this and that century because we don't have written documents about it. We don't have artifacts like with musical instruments. This is Yannick Wei, a musicologist who has studied Alpine music. He also plays the Alphorn, you know, the horns that the guys play in the regola commercials. Janik says that some of the earliest yodelers were probably cattle herders in the Alps. And one of the earliest possible references to yodeling is a document from around the year 400 that describes some Alpine singing as, quote, which an Austrian folklorist in the 20th century translated as toodle of a devilish song.
6:38More reliable documentation picks up around the 16th century, when travelers through the Alps described a type of music unique to the region. In French, it would come to be known as rendezvous, and in German, couraien. In English, it's usually translated as cattle call, and this is sort of a name for a bunch of different music. Some of it yodeled, some of it sung maybe without yodeling, and some of it played on the alpine horn or on different instruments. The reason cattle herders were devilishly toodling up in the mountains is debated. Musicologists think yodeling could have been a way for those herders to communicate across long distances.
7:18So on the Alps, it was very scarcely populated territory. If you were working on the mountains herding animals, it was maybe a very lonely thing to do. and you needed something to communicate over distances, both to communicate to other people that you are fine, that you are in good health and so on, and also to call cows and other animals. Another theory is that yodeling was part of religious ceremonies. For ritual purposes, for sort of, we could today say magic. And there's also the fact that it's just fun to yodel. Imagine you're out, miles from your home, with only the company of your herd.
8:05You can shout into the mountain air, and your echo answers back.
8:12For centuries, these yodels bounced around the Alps, entertaining lonely herders, maybe being sung in mountain taverns or around a family dinner table. But in the 1700s, a shift came that would help launch the yodel from a pastoral pastime into a global sensation. What that change looked like was a surge of interest from people who weren't herding cows. In the 18th and 19th centuries, European travelers were embarking on grand tours of the continent. Europe's young elite would drink wine, study art, and generally acquire a sense of worldliness to flaunt back home. Basically, a Regency-era gap year.
8:51Popular destinations included Rome, Paris, and the snowy expanse of the Swiss Alps. And with wealthy foreigners arriving to take in the sights and sounds of Switzerland, jodlers couldn't help but notice. It was also then an opportunity for people to make some money by performing in touristic locations on the countryside, also on mountains. With tourism, jodeling transformed from a cattle call into a performance. Singers worked the yodel into songs, singing a verse and then jodeling a chorus, what's called the yodel-eat, compared to a natur-yodel done without lyrics. Performers also took some festive liberties.
9:33No true cattle herder would wear something special to sing to their cows. But these performance yodelers wanted to lay it on thick for the tourists. They put on their tracht, the traditional folksy outfits, to play up the exoticism of their homeland. Pretty soon, there were suspended yodelers at every turn. That also led to a backlash by the authorities where there were too many of these beggars going around with a horn or just singing. Well, it became a bit annoying to the tourists. In his book A Tramp Abroad, Mark Twain writes about a hike in Switzerland where he heard a shepherd yodeling. He gives the shepherd some money to keep singing.
10:12He does the same with another shepherd later on. And another. Then another. Eventually, Twain pays the locals to stop singing. He writes, there is somewhat too much of the yodeling in the Alps. Luckily, not everyone agreed with Mark Twain. Tourists to the Alps heard yodeling and were captivated. It was this otherworldly, echoing sound unlike anything they'd ever heard. Some people were so taken that they wanted to find a way to write down the yodel and bring it back with them. Unfortunately for them, yodeling was an oral tradition without any sheet music. We have really funny exchange of letters, you know, where somebody from the city in Zurich was asking his friend to deliver a notation of one of these cattle calls.
11:01He said, you know, I've been trying so hard to get one, but if I ask the people here in the village for it, they just laugh at me, they just make fun of me. And when they're singing, it goes on for an hour, and how am I supposed to write that down? people did eventually figure out how to write down a yodel. And pretty soon, the sounds of the Alps drifted out into the wider world. Yodeling reached Switzerland's close neighbors in continental Europe and then further into the British Isles. But nowhere did it take hold more forcefully than across the ocean in the United States, where it was about to create a new, very American genre of music.
11:44Yodeling first reached the United States in the early 1800s, when troops of European singers traveled across the Atlantic to perform for American audiences. They came with their special outfits and traditional songs, ready to delight the crowds with the exotic sounds of the Alps. It's worth noting this probably wouldn't have been the first time Americans were hearing a vocal flip in music. Many people were already familiar with the field holler, a way of singing practiced by enslaved people working on farms and plantations in the South. Here is an example recorded in 1939, performed by Thomas J.
12:19Marshall.
12:30But this distinct, alpine style of yodeling took off in part because European yodelers were offering a performance, a costumed spectacle. And before long, Swiss, German, and Austrian yodelers became a fixture of the American entertainment landscape. American imitators also jumped on the bandwagon, and over the course of the 19th and early 20th centuries, yodeling became fully incorporated into the racial melting pot of American entertainment. Yodeling was everywhere. It became a staple of blackface minstrel shows. At the same time, white performers also imitated the field holler, and black musicians yodeled on the vaudeville stage.
13:10The yodel was one influence of many being mixed and matched by American entertainers. Then, a singing railroad brakeman from Mississippi came along and took the yodel to new heights. Once I had a sweetheart Those are the dulcet tones of a man named Jimmy Rogers. Rogers grew up across the southern United States, working on the railroad and playing music whenever he could. At the time, Rogers perceived of himself just as a popular entertainer. He listened to everything he could get his hands on. He toured with different groups. He was always willing to perform if someone was willing to pay him. Jocelyn Neal is a professor and historian who focuses on American popular music.
13:58She says he was a savvy entertainer with an ear for whatever might get an audience. He played what was called at the time hillbilly music, a catch-all term for music from the white working class South. But he also heard folk and blues music while traveling around. He picked up work songs from black colleagues on the railroad. He played medicine shows and minstrel shows. He had a stint with a jazz band and later a string band. Jimmy was a jack-of-all-trades, and in 1927, he went into a recording studio and laid down something unexpected. did. An original song he'd been working on called Tea for Texas.
14:49You can really hear the blues influence. This is the style of music Rogers would have heard played mostly by black musicians all through the South. The songs themselves that Jimmy Rogers is recording are very much in what we would call a blues form. They use the rhymed couplets. They use the use of a refrain. They come with the same chord progressions. Now, he modified them here and there, but again, a regular listener on the street could listen to this and say, oh yeah, I hear the blues form in there. I hear a 12-bar blues chord progression. So that blues song form was present, and the yodel was added into it.
15:33Rodgers never explained where he got his yodeling. He surely heard all types of head chest register flips, including from black yodelers on vaudeville stages. But his style traces back to alpine singers. I'm pretty sure from having listened to a bunch of the source material that Jimmy Rodgers was borrowing a vaudeville stylized performance technique that is absolutely linked to Tyrolean yodeling and is a European import. When Jimmy Rogers recorded an alpine yodel over a 12-bar blues progression, he set off a chemical reaction in the music industry. His sound wasn't quite the blues or the standard hillbilly music of the time, or anything else.
16:11It was what we would now call country. And people loved it. It absolutely was astonishing how popular this music was. He caught the attention of a broad population of people who were really connected to his music in a way that I think it's very hard for a regular listener today to think. We'd have to think about a superstar today at the level of global attention to match what Jimmy Rogers was able to do with the American population as a vernacular performer in the late 1920s. The stories that we hear are that people would literally go down to their local store, their local general store to get their daily supplies and a Jimmy Rogers record, whatever had come out.
16:56Rogers wasn't the very first to combine blues and yodeling. The idea had already been percolating for a while. And a black composer named Clarence Williams had written a song called Yodeling Blues earlier in the 20s. But Jimmy Rogers was the first one to turn that combination into a commercial hit. Today, Jimmy Rogers is known as the father of country music. Rogers sits alongside a very few number of artists, like the Carter family, who pioneered the genre by blending all sorts of American influences. Blues, field hollering, old British and Irish folk songs. And Rogers' thing was his yodel. Rogers' producer called his first big hit, Tea for Texas, a blue yodel.
17:40And that was just Blue Yodel number one. Rogers would record a dozen more, including one with Louis Armstrong on trumpet.
17:57Other performers wanted to do what was popular, and Jimmy Rogers was popular. So before long, yodeling was all over the proto-country scene. Lots of hillbilly artists used the yodel, finding all sorts of ways to catch people's attention. Like Mary Jane and Carolyn DeZurek, sisters from Minnesota who became popular on the radio in the 1930s.
18:30While the DeZurek sisters were doing that, Gene Autry was yodeling his way into Hollywood. Autry became known as the singing cowboy, and the films he was in shaped the iconography of the West with his big hat, his broken heart, and his rhinestone suit. Get this. Rhinestones have an alpine origin, too. The name refers to clear stones that were found in the Rhine River, which originates in Switzerland. The word was applied to glass and plastic beads later on. There's not as much alpine-style yodeling in modern country music compared to the music made in the 20s and 30s. But what has carried over is the head-chest register flip.
19:11That little flip, heard in the yodel and the field holler, remains an essential part of a country musician's repertoire. It conveys the emotion of a lonesome cowboy, borrowing some of that heartbreaking pastoral quality of the mountains. For example, with Hank Williams' version of the song Lovesick Blues. I got a feeling of the blues. Oh, Lord, since my baby said goodbye. In that song, he uses a vocal break where he sings a word. And then he splits his voice across his vocal break up to a high register, comes back down, and repeats that process in the middle of a word. So it's a little bit of a different technique than what Jimmy Rogers was doing.
19:55But again, if we're taking that broader categorization of yodels as singing with multiple vocal registers, then Hank Williams is absolutely doing it. Today, the influence of yodeling has become so woven into the fabric of country music that most of us wouldn't even identify it as yodeling anymore. The vocal flip, the crying steel guitar, it just sounds like country.
20:26When you look at the dramatic evolution of yodeling in America, how it jumped from vaudeville performances to cowboy films and the world's biggest country stages, it seems a little odd that yodeling back in Switzerland often looks and sounds like it did in the 1800s. People in traditional outfits singing traditional songs, evoking a pastoral Swiss yesteryear.
20:51There's a reason today's Swiss yodeling still feels so traditional and nostalgic. In the 1940s, while Gene Autry was yodeling in his rhinestones, Switzerland was having a very different experience. Europe was embroiled in the Second World War, and Switzerland wanted to avoid any association with Germany. One way to do this was to distinguish themselves as much as possible, as different and separate from their Nazi neighbors. Here's Yannick Wei again. Switzerland had this so-called geistige Landesverteidigung, this somewhat spiritual defense of the nation, where jodeling became important as something that distinguished Switzerland from its German-speaking neighbors, even though maybe from the musical tradition we're much closer than we think.
21:42The message was very much that we may speak German, but we are not Germans. Our jodel sounds nothing like their jodel. So please, for the love of God, leave us out of this. One weapon in this cultural defense was a jodeling textbook published in 1943. That book is called... Oh, Christ. Okay.
22:15Also known as the Swiss Yodeling Association Training Fundamentals for Yodeling Women and Yodeling Men. The book, whose name I said before perfectly, laid out some standards for Swiss yodeling. Not Bavarian yodeling, not Austrian, just pure Swiss yodeling. It said which melodies to sing and which techniques to use. There's even like on one of the first pages says everything on Swiss in yodeling has to be eradicated. In addition to the book, the Yodeling Association put on contests where judges would favor certain types of yodels over others. And for many years, singers tended to stick to a textbook, jury-approved set of melodies, sounds, and flourishes.
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22:58The Yodeling Association did keep people yodeling. But this focus on a regulation Swiss style narrowed what had been a pretty diverse tradition. And the influence of these regulations and norms lasted long after the war was over. Still, you can't keep a good yodel down. And today, Switzerland is enjoying a surge of interest in yodeling, especially with younger generations who want to play with a vocal technique that is, let's face it, very fun. I talked to Nadia Rass about this at Yodeler Fest. And one thing that has surprised me so far walking around is how many young people there are of yodeling.
23:38Is that a change you've seen recently? I think it's a change which developed since three, four, five years. So I think it's much, the yodel community, it's much younger than five years before. What do you think that means for the future of yodeling? This is a very good sign, of course. So I think it means that yodel will stay alive. Nadia has been part of this preservation. In 2018, students at the Hochschule Luzern specifically requested a college-level yodeling program, and she was selected to run it. The program isn't alpine cosplay. It honors the tradition of yodeling while pushing it forward.
24:22Students study the history of yodeling and what it sounded like before the rules and competitions and clubs. They listen to archival recordings, to American country songs, and they write and perform new yodels. On the day I visited, students put on a concert that included a song written by Nadia.
24:48One alum of the program is Andrea Kutl, who's now yodeling with her band Quartz.
25:02And she also blends yodeling with jazz, classical music and other genres. I had the opportunity to yodel with a percussionist from Cuba. So it fits with other type of music as well. So it's really cool to interact with different types of music. The reinvention of yodeling doesn't stop with Nadja and her students. For every traditional melody being honored and preserved in a Swiss yodeling club, there's another young artist taking the yodel and doing something entirely different, like the Swiss-Spanish artist called Vagomundos, who samples yodels in reggaeton tracks.
26:01When I listen to Vagamundos or Andrea's band Quartz or any of these other new artists, I can't help but feel a sense of deja vu. Like what happened to yodeling in America might be happening now in Switzerland. Like Jimmy Rogers before them, Switzerland's new generation of yodelers is taking the yodel, flipping it on its head, and possibly changing music forever.
26:32After the break, some of our favorite yodeling deep cuts.
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29:34So Gabe, this story had some really amazing archival recordings, but there are also a lot of yodels that got left on the cutting room floor, and we wanted to play a few of them. Yes. As I was reporting this story, I got so fascinated by this era between when yodeling first came to the U.S. and when it ended up in country music. And so these European yodelers, they came over like in the early 1800s. The Blue Yodel from Jimmy Rogers, that's 1927. So there's like a century of yodeling just kind of bouncing around America at the time. Totally, totally. OK, let's learn more. Yeah. So this really blew my mind that the first known recordings of yodeling were made in the United States.
30:13This is something that Janik, who we heard from in the story, was telling me. And he sent me this. It's George P. Watson as the performer. And this is from the late 1890s. I'll find specialty with Yoda, sung by Mr. George P. Watson, Edison Records. Roll on the field of air and oof.
30:48Well, so that was not recorded in Switzerland, but recorded in America. That is so amazing to me. Yeah, the very first recording of a yodel was from 1892, I believe, also made in the United States. But this one was definitely one of the earliest. It makes sense on the one hand because the technology was in the U.S., there were all these people yodeling. and everything. But then also the Swiss experts I talked to were intrigued by this because we don't have an equivalent from the Alps at the time. Like there's sheet music maybe, but it's an oral tradition. It's evolving over time and it's not captured at any kind of snapshot like that until we have an ability to record it.
31:27So we don't really know what yodeling was sounding like anywhere else in the world at this time. That's amazing. So what other yodels do you have for me? So this next one comes from the 20th century when a lot of popular performers are sort of using the yodel as part of their toolkit. And this is from 1924. It's fascinating. It's a group called the Seven Musical Magpies and it's called the Calliope Song because they're not just yodeling, but they are imitating the calliope, that big steam-powered like circus pipe organ.
32:12I love that. Yeah. I really enjoy that one. I love that one of the big influences here is technology. Like the calliope was the sensation. Yeah, yeah, yeah. They're like beatboxing. You know, like they're imitating the sound of an instrument. Yeah. These singers, they think, you know what sounds like a calliope? Yodeling. Yeah, exactly. And that's some amazing vocal technique, which is also something that a lot of the Swiss yodelers I talked to were really impressed by that they hear. You know, we heard the DeZurik sisters, too, in the story that they they've heard some of these yodels and are impressed at the technique and everything, especially given, you know, these aren't people learning it from their, you know, from their families out in the Alps, you know, passing down from generation to generation.
32:55These are entertainers sort of doing what's popular, picking up the trade from others. And what about the other yodeling blues singers? Like you mentioned in the story that Jimmy Rogers was the first person, you know, to kind of hit it big combining blues and yodeling. But he wasn't the first to do it, right? Right. So Jimmy Rogers, you know, he has that sort of alpine derived yodel sung over blues chords. But that basic mix of blues and yodeling had been tested and recorded. There's the song I mentioned, The Yodeling Blues. It's written by Clarence Williams and it's sung by Sarah Martin and Eva Taylor.
33:27and it was recorded in the 20s.
33:43That's really nice. It's not quite as yodely as some of the others, but I enjoy the tone of it. Yeah, it's not the full-on Little Old Lady Who style that Jimmy Rogers was doing, but it does have that melody of the yodel. And lyrically, the song is wistful and romantic, like a lot of these yodeling songs, and that's something the yodel certainly evokes. The other thing that this song speaks to is an undercurrent throughout the history of country music, which is the erasure of the way black artists contributed to the origins of the genre. The Seven Musical Magpies, Clarence Williams, Sarah Martin, Eva Taylor, these were all black artists, and they're playing with the same influences as Jimmy Rogers.
34:20They're doing it earlier than him, but as the record industry built up, they were not the ones ultimately to profit from it. Yeah, it's another story that we hear over and over again across all of recorded music. Well, this was so fascinating, Gabe. I love this tour through the yodel and these sort of leftover yodels on the cutting room floor. Such a fun story. Thank you for bringing it to us. Thanks a lot, Roman.
34:4899 % Invisible was reported this week by Gabe Bullard and edited by Kelly Pratt. Mixed by Martin Gonzalez. Music by Swan Real with help from Mia Byrne and APM. Fact-checking by Graham Heysha. Special thanks this week to Linda Golden for interpretation help. Gabe actually has a new book called Against Convenience, which is out now. It's an exploration of the modern convenience culture, and I can't wait to read it. It is right up my alley and probably yours too. Kathy Tu is our executive producer. Kurt Kolstad is our digital director. Delaney Hall is the senior editor. The rest of the team includes Chris Berube, Jason DeLeon, Emmett Fitzgerald, Christopher Johnson, Vivian Leigh, Lasha Madon, Joe Rosenberg, Jacob Medina Gleason, Talon and Rain Stradley, and me, Roman Mars.
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