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28:34Welcome back. Our next question comes from Mandy.

28:40Paula Pant:Hi, Paula. Thank you so much for taking this question. I really loved your most recent podcast on the July jobs report that came out. And I saw something recently in the news that said that 100 % of the labor workforce decline was actually female and gender. And 100 % of it was females leaving the workforce. And I didn't know if you could speak to that. I wasn't sure how accurate or correct the information was. And I was curious if it was accurate, what's the reason behind it? And are there things that are impacting that? I appreciate your input and always look forward to how thorough and thoughtful and considerate your responses are.

29:22Paula Pant:Thanks. Mandy, thank you for the question. The answer is yes and. Yes, that's true. And there's some more interesting data to contextualize that. So the stat that you heard came from the National Women's Law Center, which did an analysis of the July 2026 data from the BLS, the Bureau of Labor Statistics. And among adults ages 20 and older, the number of women in the labor force fell by about 165 ,000 in the month of July, while the number of men in the labor force remained essentially unchanged. And so that means that in the month of July, 100 % of net decline among adults over 20 of labor force participation was women.

30:10There are a few things to note here. Number one, and first just to clarify what labor force participation is. Labor force participation means that a person either is employed or they are unemployed but they want a job, so they're actively looking for work. So if a person is unemployed but they don't want a job, maybe they're retired, maybe they are just super rich, or maybe they've got caregiving responsibilities, right? If a person's unemployed but they don't want a job, then they are not counted as unemployed and they are not counted in the labor force participation rate. So labor force participation are people who have jobs and people who want jobs.

30:54One point that I want to emphasize and why I define labor force participation is because I don't want that stat to be misunderstood as that many women lost jobs. Right. So when we're talking about that decline, we're not talking about job loss. We're talking about, in many cases, the choice to participate in the workforce might have shifted from I want a job to I don't want a job. Heather Long, the chief economist at Navy Federal, has noted that over the past couple of years, there's been a noticeable decline among women with children under the age of five and has pointed to both expensive child care and the return to office policies as contributing factors.

31:4242 percent this is a from a survey run by catalyst of women who left the workforce in 2025 of those women 42 percent cited caregiving responsibilities as the strongest factor and that includes cost of child care so i think with inflation with rising costs with more households feeling strapped specifically the cost of child care is a a big component in this well in that

32:11Paula Pant:timing matches up with, I mean, a lot of reports that I've read about returning to work, right? About, you know what, your job's not going to be virtual anymore. Time to get back to the office. Exactly, exactly. So the return to office policies, return to office mandates also correlate with this trend that we're seeing. So when you think about July specifically and the the seasonality and the sector effect. July is a time in which education, K-12, like if you are a K-12 educator and you are going to make a career change, that's likely going to be in the summer if you can help it. Leisure and hospitality, summer is a good time for career changes.

32:54The retail sector, summer prior to gearing up for the holiday season, that is a time when there's a lot of labor turnover. So a lot of the sectors that draw on female labor force participation are also sectors that have a higher likelihood of having July or summer-related turnover. And so while July itself was particularly striking, the thing to track is not what has happened in the span of one month, but rather what has happened over the span of many months and or years. And so again, back to Navy Federal, the stats that Navy Federal and Heather Long, the chief economist from there, pulled. There's overall a decrease in labor force participation from women with children under the age of five.

33:46That's a multi-year trend that we're seeing. But that it is a contributing factor to July's numbers, but it isn't the entirety of July's numbers. But it is more signal than noise in that that is a multi-year trend. And anytime you're talking about a multi-year trend, that is more significant than a shock that may concentrate into one given month. The other piece of it is to look at the jobs, new roles that have been filled in the year 2026. And there's another stat that the overwhelming majority, and I believe it is, let me double check this, but I believe it's around 98 % of new positions have been filled by women.

34:29And that is largely because most of the new job creation is, as we talk about on our First Friday episodes, in fields that are predominantly represented by women. Fields like education, health services, social services, most of the job creation has been in women-dominated fields. There's another interesting stat that I want to bring to your attention, and it is that women accounted for about 98 % of August's net job growth. So net job growth in the month of August, 98 % went to women. Yeah. Yeah. So we're seeing in July, 100 % labor force participation decline was women. In August, 98 % net job growth was also women.

35:22So let's unpack this a little bit. First of all, this data comes from the BLS Establishment Survey. It shows that in between July and August, total non-farm payrolls rose from$158.9 million to$159.07 million, which is another way of saying we added 162 ,000 jobs, and payroll jobs held by women during that same time period rose by 158 ,000 jobs. 158 ,000 jobs out of a total of 162 ,000 jobs. Technically, that's 97.5%, which rounds to 98%. So women accounted for 98 % of August's job growth. When we zoom out and we look at 2026 year-to-date numbers, women have enjoyed about 85 % of all job gains.

36:17So total jobs added between December 2025 through August 2026, total jobs added, according to BLS data, is 643 ,000 jobs. Of those, 549 ,000 jobs went to women. So women accounted for 85 % of new jobs, total job gains, year to date 2026. That's a real multi-month trend.

36:46Paula Pant:It's interesting how all that data changes when you zoom out. Yeah. And it's interesting because, again, it tells two stories. It tells the story of most of the jobs that we are creating year to date, 85 % of jobs that we've created have gone to women. And simultaneously, at least in the month of July, fewer women want jobs. specifically within that women with children under the age of five, which means for the ones who do, depending on what sectors they're in and depending on geography, it could potentially mean less competition. But that would, of course, be sector-specific and geographic-specific.

37:28Sure, right. One other thing to note, when we talk about data from the BLS, remember that whenever we talk job data from the BLS, we're talking about jobs held, not about individuals. So if one individual has two jobs, then that is counted as two jobs. If you want to be extremely precise, we're specifically talking about jobs that are held by women, as opposed to talking about women who have jobs.

38:00Paula Pant:I just saw some interesting data on the job front in another facet that I found interesting in the Wall Street Journal just a few days ago, Paula, which was generally for new college graduates and high school graduates that are not attending college. you see that for both groups when the job market tightens both of them struggle and then you see when one group is hiring the other is not there's a longer term ish 10-year-ish trend in which those two are really diverging and there are more college graduates than ever before and at the same time, you're seeing all of the pressures on people right out of college.

38:48Paula Pant:And this is where AI is, I think, even though we haven't seen huge numbers that show that there's any type of huge disruption in the workforce because of AI, you are seeing people struggle more and wait longer to get a job that have a college degree and sometimes an advanced college degree versus is people going into the trades. Like that separation between people going into the trades and people with a college degree is for the first time ever over the last few years, those paths are diverging. Right. And trade jobs are so in demand right now. I mean, we talk about housing, home construction.

39:29We have a housing shortage. What do you need in order to build homes? You need trade. You need roofers. You need plumbers. You need HVAC. You need electricians.

39:39Paula Pant:AI is not going to fix your HVAC. Yeah, exactly. Those trades are so heavily in demand. And given the housing shortage that we have, I mean, wow. Yeah. Trades are where the opportunity is at. My advice has never been to go into a job sector because you think that the hiring is hot. We've seen over the years how those change. engine plus spending your life doing something that you don't want to do doesn't make a lot of sense. But I went to high school with some students that really, I went to a college prep high school. And I'll tell you, there were some people, even in my class, way, way back when, and I only know talking to my own children and to friends of mine that are younger than me, the people that they graduated with, there's a lot of pressure to go to college for people that it just doesn't necessarily fit.

40:30Paula Pant:And if college isn't a fit for you right now, then I think there is more evidence than ever before that you shouldn't go, that you should go do the thing. And what's cool is college will always be waiting for you. It'll always be waiting. Let's say that you decide to become a welder out of high school and you become a journeyman welder, an apprentice welder, you work your way up, but then later on you decide that you want to go into management or you want to maybe own a company. Well, all the statistics also show, Paula, that people going back to school when they're older, they get higher grades.

41:06Paula Pant:They know exactly why they're there. The ROI is much, much higher for somebody that is focused when they go to college versus somebody who's going to college just because they got talked into it by their friends because it's what everybody's doing. Right. For me, I went back to grad school after I had been in the workforce for over a decade. Yeah. I took my grad school education a lot more seriously because I had a decade of work experience under my belt. I regret that I did not take a gap or a pause prior to undergrad. I really do. And this is interesting, Paula, because when I went back to get my teaching certificate, when I thought I was going to be a teacher, same thing.

41:44Paula Pant:I was laser focused. I also felt like, I don't know if you felt the same way, I felt like because of my life experience, I knew what the professor was after more. I had a much better idea of what the professor was asking. when I remember earlier on going, I'm not sure exactly what I'm supposed to do with this. Almost in every case, with all that experience under my belt, going back to get that teaching certificate, I was like, oh, I know what he wants me to do. And regardless of what the professor's asking, I also felt like I knew what I wanted to learn. I knew what elements of what I was learning could be applicable.

42:19Paula Pant:100%. What parts were theory and what parts were definitely great tactics that you could apply immediately? Exactly. Yeah. So I had a very strong sense of, oh, this will be useful versus this is a waste of time. That being said, I also had a much lower patience threshold for the this is a waste of time parts of it. That is funny. Me too. Yeah. Yeah. I was like, what am I doing in this class right now? Yeah, exactly. My patience for the waste of time bits was like, you know, but my appreciation for the useful bits was way, way higher. Going back to, I just want to tap in again on a comment that I made earlier on a big part of why 85 % of the job growth, the 85 % of jobs created in 2026 year to date are held by women.

43:12So why is that? And I mentioned sectors. So I just want to dial into 2026 year to date net jobs created by sector. the overall biggest sector education and health services 347 000 net jobs created in 2026 year to date that is by far and away the single biggest sector the the second biggest is professional and business services and then the third biggest is construction and then after that comes retail trade and then manufacturing transportation warehousing and wholesale trade but all of I mean, you talk about manufacturing, transportation, wholesale. Those are drops in the bucket compared to the two biggest.

43:59So 347 ,000 new jobs in education and health services. Those are fields dominated by women. And then 155 ,000 in professional and business services. That's more of a co-ed field. Just those two sectors together comprise. Let's see. So there were 643 ,000 net jobs created December through August. So let's just do some math here. Okay. So that means of education and healthcare services, that's 54 % right there. 54. Of the entire net increase. Then you layer in 155 ,000 jobs out of 643 ,000 in total in professional and business services. And you can quickly start painting a picture as to why 85 % of that job growth is held by women.

44:54It's interesting, actually, because we've just talked about how we need more people in the trades. And yet, by the numbers, construction is not one of the biggest growing sectors, which is unfortunate because it needs to be because we have a big housing shortage.

45:08Paula Pant:Big housing shortage. Yeah. Do you think we're going to see, I mean, this is getting speculative now, but do you think we're going to see continuing legislation in different states? You know, we've seen some as governments are starting to try to tackle housing shortages on a state-by-state level.

45:28Unfortunately, what we really need is supply. And unfortunately, we have a system in which people who are incumbent homeowners, people who already own homes, are incentivized to not allow new supply in order to protect the value of the homes that they already own.

45:48Paula Pant:You want the value to keep going up. Right. because we have a society in which for many people, either the majority of your net worth or if not the majority, then at least a sizable minority, you know, a major, major chunk of your net worth is the value of your primary residence. And in a system in which for the average individual or the average household, a big chunk of net worth is the value of your primary residence, that means that you're going to battle tooth and nail to protect the value of your primary residence. And how do you do that? You do it by blocking new growth. And unfortunately, that means that we have a society in which incumbent homeowners are incentivized to pull the ladder up from under them and not let new supply onto the market.

46:34You know, if we want to create more jobs in industries that are more highly represented by men to solve the unemployment crisis among many men, we need jobs in the construction sector. And that would be great for society, too, because construction, of course, isn't just residential real estate. Construction is multifaceted. Could be commercial centers. It could be, you know, so it's not just residential real estate. But residential real estate is a major piece of construction. And if we can get that going, we can solve two problems at once. We can solve unemployment among men, and we can also solve housing affordability.

47:17And all of that dials back to letting housing supply happen, encouraging housing supply to happen. And unfortunately, what we're seeing in city after city after city is the opposite. We're seeing the incumbent homeowners argue against it. it's rare that I say something pessimistic on the show. Right.

47:36Paula Pant:But you can see why. I mean, just follow the money. Follow the money. Yeah. It's just supply, supply, supply. We need housing supply. And that would solve a lot of problems. And on that cheerful note, if you're looking for a job in education or health services, Bam! Yeah. Over half of our job growth is in those two fields. Thank you, Mandy, for the question. Thank you for sparking this discussion. And it's something that we should keep checking on and that we should keep returning to. We're going to take one final break to hear from the sponsors who make the show possible. When we return, we're going to share a beautiful voice note that we got about a recent guest.

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52:13welcome back our comment today comes from james

52:20Paula Pant:hi paula my name is james i'm calling regarding episode 744 with joseph morris that was one of the most interesting podcasts about finance that i've ever listened to I just wanted to call and give you that accolade and to say that I will keep listening to your show on a regular basis. I'm a full-time stacker and a part-time afforder. Keep up the good work, and I look forward to listening to your episodes in the future. And also make it easier to leave a review on your website because I couldn't figure out how to do that. So that's why I'm leaving this message. Talk to you later. Thank you. Thank you so much, James.

52:58Actually, we are redesigning the website by mid-October. We will have a new website going live. You heard it here first. New website, new design in the works.

53:12Paula Pant:Can I just say that I told you so? That I knew your episode with Joseph Moore was coming out for people that have been around this summer. And I said, you want to listen to that episode because Paula's ability to interview with this gentleman's interesting historical story. Like these are two great tastes that go great together. I knew it was going to be fantastic. And sure enough. You know, Joseph Moore, the historian, and if you didn't catch it, we'll put a link to it in the show notes. that particular episode on YouTube got more comments than probably year to date than anything that we've published in 2026.

53:53It was split. The comments were split between people who called him uplifting and PN people who had a bone to pick with them.

54:00Paula Pant:Isn't that funny? Of course. Yeah. And I love the way he likes to stir the pot, you know? Yeah. Yeah. He is a pot stirrer. But I think that there is a hunger for uplifting financial news because we live in an era where there's a financial incentive to present pessimism. And that financial incentive is that people pay more attention to negativity where our brains are wired like that. Our brains are wired to pay more attention to threats. If there are 10 pieces of information that are coming at you all simultaneously, and nine of those pieces of information are either positive or neutral, but one of those pieces of information is a threat, of course, your brain as a survival mechanism should focus on the threat.

54:50So if multiple inputs are coming at you simultaneously and one of those 10 inputs is, hey, there's someone with a knife standing over there. Okay, cool. That's the information that I need in order to take the relevant action. Or in the prehistoric days, like there's a saber-toothed tiger, run. So we are wired to pay attention to negativity. We are wired to pay attention to threats. It's a survival mechanism. Again, when it goes back to financial incentives, when the business model of social media and news, it's not just I don't want to only blame social, business model of everything on the internet is clicks.

55:39eyeballs attention, that means there's a strong negativity bias. And I think that what Joseph Moore did beautifully is he used facts, data, history, context, to create this picture of optimism. That is not Pollyanna optimism, but grounded, factual, data-based, historically contextual optimism. And that's not something that we hear, but if we're going to bias towards what is true rather than what has the probability of virality, then that is what we need to hear. It's not what we get rewarded. Like as creators, that's not what we get rewarded to say. In fact, to the extent that we don't go viral, we get penalized.

56:35Like, financially speaking, we get penalized for sharing a story of hope and uplift and optimism and nuance. Those are much harder stories to tell than a simplistic chicken little, the sky is falling.

56:52Paula Pant:Well, this has been the case forever. I mean, that phrase, if it bleeds, it leads. Yep. Is a very, very old phrase. That's not a new phrase. And increasingly, as we're able to get media into the hands of people much, much quicker, and there are fewer middlemen, then, you know, even if it doesn't bleed, if we think it might bleed, and we should be worried about the fact that it could bleed at any minute, like that becomes news. Right. Speculation about bleeding. Yes, exactly. You know, the other thing I think there's always a thirst for, and that is just what you did with Mandy's question about the economic data, the ability to zoom out and go, you know what, this is not a new thing.

57:39Paula Pant:This has repeated before. This is how we tackled this last time, or this is how bizarre this thing was the last time this happened. And I think that gives us a lot more confidence when we know that this new, new, new is pretty old, old, old, just in a little bit different ideation. Well, with her question, especially because her question was specifically about the month of July, you know, and we talked to numbers from July, we talked numbers from August, and then we zoomed out and talked, all right, what is the story year to date? Yeah. And anybody who has spent any time working with data can see that sometimes charts have little spikes, but you get a very different read when you zoom out and when you look at a long-term trend line.

58:25But the long-term trend line, again, is not geared for virality. It's not geared for clicks. It's not geared for engagement. It's not shareable. It's not as commentable. and what that means just from a media manager's perspective like they're they've got to make payroll and keep the lights on virality is part of the business model and it's core to them being able to keep their their people employed and so how do you for any media entrepreneur right how do Do you, honestly, in that tension between truth and nuance versus negativity and simplicity, the latter often wins, even when the former is the case.

59:16Paula Pant:And that is what I think Joseph Moore is fantastic at, is taking something that is long-term and a moderated approach, but wrapping it in the hype that we love as humans and the headline of, that is not true. Guess what's not true? Number three is going to make you go, oh my God. But what he's talking about is exactly the opposite. This thing that we're all fixated on is not true. Right. It's not true. It's pretty fabulous. Yeah. I love that. Our discussion around this comment, it feels like a continuation of our discussion around Mandy's question. It does, because that's what Joseph Moore does is zooms out.

59:59Yeah, exactly.

1:00:01Paula Pant:But I just want to go back to I told you so, that you were going to have a great interview. I knew it ahead of time. I called it. I told everybody you want to hear this. And there it is. The proof. You know what I told Joe right before we started recording? I was like, you know what? Joseph Moore is my favorite Joseph. And I was like, damn it. Foiled again. He's my favorite Joseph too. Paula knows that ever since talking to Joseph Moore, I think I talked to this guy like three times a week. I didn't know him six months ago. I didn't know who he was six months ago. Now Cheryl's like, who are you texting?

1:00:34Paula Pant:I'm like, none of your business.

1:00:40Awesome. Awesome. Well, Joseph Andrew. Joseph Andrew Salciano. Do you have anything else to say on the matter?

1:00:47Paula Pant:I do not. No, I'm glad that he liked it. And Paul, you're fixing the website. So I think we're good. Yeah, I am fixing the website. Yes. So mid-October, we're going to have a brand new website. Oh, and if you sign up to our newsletter, we will send you a link when that goes live. Cool. Affordanything.com slash newsletter. Look at that. You know what we call that? That's a plug. That's what they call it in the industry. And this goes back to what we were talking about before, about how podcasting looks so easy. Paula, you know there's something always that's broken. Yeah, like our website. There's always something.

1:01:24Paula Pant:Yeah, but it's this one piece, like 95 % of your website's fine. I was on, I don't know, I was on a page that we have for Stacking Benjamins the other day, and I was like, really? how come I never saw that? Like, like what, how has this been sitting here for the past two and a half years and I haven't fixed it? Nobody's, nobody's noticed. There's always something. Yeah. Well, Joseph Andrew Saul, see hi, where can people find you if they would like to learn more? Well, guess what I did because Paula's Joseph Moore interview was so good. Of course I interviewed, I just call him Jojo. Joe, Jomo. That's right.

1:02:03Paula Pant:Chomo. Yeah. And if you've ever heard Paula interview people and me interview people, we ask totally different questions. So if you love Paula's Joseph Moore interview, go to our YouTube page. Our YouTube video is just out. As we record this, it came out yesterday. And we have a cheat sheet that you can download that has all of the top things in the interview. So go to youtube.com slash stacking Benjamins and you can see even more Joseph Moore after you've watched Paula's Joseph Moore interview. Excellent. Well, thank you, Joseph, for spending this time with us. Dude, this guy owes us 20 bucks.

1:02:40Right? He totally owes us 20 bucks.

1:02:42Paula Pant:We've talked about Joseph Moore a lot. And Joseph, it's well-deserved. I'm just kidding. Thank you for spending this time with us. If you enjoyed today's episode, please share this with friends, family, neighbors, colleagues. Share it with people who are participating in the labor force. That is to say, people with jobs and or people who want jobs. Share it with your favorite trade school teachers. Share it with people who live in Madrid. Oh, that's a good one. Share it with your favorite historian. Share it with anyone who's currently getting an MBA. Perfect. Share it with anybody who is currently tooling around on the Ford Anything website.

1:03:24Share it with anyone who's thinking about taking out a HELOC in order to put a new roof on their home. Oh, that's a good one. Right? Yeah, throwback. Share it with your favorite property manager. I see what you did there. All right. Share it with anyone who has an account at Navy Federal.

1:03:39Paula Pant:Share it with the elementary school teacher who was a horrible tenant, but don't let her know that we were talking about her.

1:03:52Share it with any of the over 340 ,000 people who have gotten a job in the education or health services sector year to date. That's a big number. Yes, it's a lot of shares.

1:04:04Paula Pant:That's a full-time job right there. Yeah, and if you take that job, you will participate in the labor force. Absolutely. And Paula will be very grateful. All right, well, share it with all of those people and more, because that is how you spread the message of hope and optimism and nuance and truth and context and trend lines and zooming out. That's how you share this message in a world that is so narrowly and myopically focused on today and threat. So, wow, that was a big, that was a big ask. Or you just find the share button. So you just open up the app and you hit the share button. That's how it works.

1:04:48Anyway, you can text it to somebody. You can WhatsApp it to them. You can drop it in your signal chat.

1:04:52Paula Pant:Super in your signal chat. Yeah. As you do. As one does. Please share this with the people in your life. Remember our newsletter, affordanything.com slash newsletter, so that you can get an update when we drop the new website mid-October. maybe I don't want to over promise but maybe even beginning of October yeah so yes affordanything.com slash newsletter to see the new get a link to the new website and please leave us a review up to five stars in your favorite podcast playing app Apple Podcasts, Spotify wherever it is that you like to listen to this show thank you so much for tuning in I'm Paula Pant I'm Joe Salcihai I thought you were Joseph Salcihai Joseph Andrew Salcihai And we'll meet you in the next episode.