Janelle James - 'Abbott Elementary' [LIVE]

24 Aug 2025 · 1 h 10 min · 22 chapters

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In short

Janelle James discusses her path from St. Thomas/Virgin Islands and New York to stand-up, writing, and becoming Ava Coleman on Abbott Elementary, plus how fame and performing for a mockumentary audience changed her.

Guest backgrounds

Janelle James is a stand-up comedian and actress known for Ava Coleman, the Philadelphia K-8 principal on ABC’s Abbott Elementary. She was born/raised in the U.S. Virgin Islands (St. Thomas) and later lived in New York and Illinois. She worked various jobs (including fashion styling and a personal chef business) and started comedy after being handed an open-mic flyer in Champaign, Illinois. She cites Richard Pryor, Eddie Murphy, Chris Rock, Dave Chappelle, and George Carlin as major influences.

Key claims

She says comedy is “emotional manipulation” and that winning over initially “stone-faced” audiences is what trained her for Ava. She emphasizes Quinta Brunson “fought for” her casting and that she didn’t audition early due to pandemic fear. She describes fame as privacy-loss and isolation, not just excitement.

Notable examples

touring in deep-Midwest all-white rooms; being seen by Chris Rock; writing jobs on The Rundown with Robin Thede; acting debut on Showtime’s Black Monday; her father’s “80s kung fu” style (Chuck Norris jeans); Abbott’s Ava foil role; and physical comedy from high heels (injuries causing her to wear flats for episodes).

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Janelle's Early Life and Family Background

1:54 to 2:58

Janelle discusses her upbringing in the Virgin Islands and her family's influence.

“join me in welcoming to Chapman and to the Hollywood Reporters Awards Chatter Podcast, Ms.”

From Fashion Aspirations to Comedy

2:58 to 4:58

Janelle shares her journey from fashion to exploring various careers before comedy.

“That's roughly half my life and then the half in New York City.”

Discovering Stand-Up Comedy in Illinois

4:58 to 8:31

Janelle recounts how she stumbled into stand-up comedy and her first performances.

“I said yeah that looks great and then so that's how I pursued it and then like a lot of things I pursued I stopped.”

The Comedy Hustle and Touring Life

8:31 to 10:36

Janelle discusses her early experiences touring as a comedian and the challenges faced.

“I know that you're the first to say, like for people that think it's easy and smooth sailing right from that moment.”

Developing Material and Comic Influences

10:36 to 14:00

Insights into Janelle's comedic influences and the evolution of her material over the years.

“That's what I was going to say, because I wanted to kind of know what kind of comedy you were consuming growing up and and who you really looked up to.”

The Evolution of Comedy

14:00 to 15:10

Exploration of how comedy has changed over time and its impact on performers.

“This is before comedy became what it is with the Internet, where everybody is paying attention to it and kind of knows what stand up is.”

Janelle's Journey in Comedy

15:10 to 17:40

Janelle discusses her experiences and influences in the comedy scene, including key figures like Eugene Merman.

“And so people on the comedy scene were certainly aware of you.”

Material and Life Lessons

17:40 to 20:00

Janelle shares anecdotes about her father's influence and reflections on youth and beauty in her comedy material.

“There was a time in the 80s where every, especially black man, was super into kung fu, like Bruce Lee, all that stuff.”

Career Milestones and Writing

20:00 to 24:20

Discussing Janelle's early writing jobs and her transition into acting, including her experience on 'Black Monday'.

“So you want to present yourself as a smart person who just happens to be attractive, not an attractive person and then smart later.”

Connecting with Abbott Elementary

24:20 to 28:00

Janelle recounts her journey towards being cast in 'Abbott Elementary' and her initial interactions with Quinta Brunson.

“I don't have to be like out auditioning for everything.”
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Casting Journey for 'Abbott Elementary'

28:00 to 31:04

Learn about Janelle's audition process and her eventual casting in 'Abbott Elementary'.

“And I think it almost helped that I was slow to audition because they went through everyone, all the known people and we're still looking.”

Character Dynamics and Impact

31:04 to 34:26

Explore Ava's character traits and her role within the school setting of the show.

“You would have signed that if the pilot gets picked up, you've signed your life away for a number of years.”

Transition to Fame and Public Recognition

34:26 to 37:58

Understand how Janelle's life changed after the show's debut and her experiences with fame.

“I'm also there for the comic relief so you don't, you know, crash out when you hear that the kids don't have rugs and books and stuff, you know.”

Navigating Fame and Its Challenges

37:58 to 42:00

Discuss the complexities of fame and the personal challenges that come with it.

“show debuts on ABC National, one of the four broadcast networks which reach just huge numbers.”

Navigating Fame and Its Consequences

42:00 to 46:00

Janelle discusses the complexities of fame and its impact on personal relationships and privacy.

“even thought about what goes into it and what the consequences of this fame could be, which is having money, maybe being the first person in your family to have this amount of money.”

The Evolution of Ava and Comedic Challenges

46:00 to 50:20

Janelle reflects on her character's development over four seasons and the challenges of delivering comedy within network constraints.

“But that's largely because of the writers room and Quinta.”

Collaboration with Writers and Physicality in Comedy

50:20 to 56:00

Janelle shares her experiences collaborating with writers and the role of physicality in her comedic performance.

“to be like, yeah, what idea do you have?”

Janelle James on Her Character's Evolution

56:00 to 59:33

Explore Janelle's insights on her character Ava and the importance of character consistency in storytelling.

“That was brought up by a journalist before.”

Career Aspirations and Future Projects

59:33 to 1:02:00

Janelle discusses her hopes for future roles, including writing and directing opportunities as well as her desire for a personal project.

“But for you, either on the show, I mean, there are people that are wondering, you've written and you've written on other shows.”

Navigating Comedy as a Black Woman

1:02:00 to 1:04:43

Janelle shares her thoughts on stereotypes in comedy and how she navigates her career while staying true to herself.

“Do we have time for one student question?”

Advice for Women in Film Industry

1:04:43 to 1:07:47

Janelle gives advice to aspiring women in the film industry about bravery, focus, and self-awareness.

“I was wondering about the It's Always Sunny in Philadelphia crossover and your experience of integrating two different comedy ensembles and if that was difficult based on just stylistically, what that was like.”

Advice for Women in Film Industry

1:09:09 to 1:09:52

Janelle gives advice to aspiring women in the film industry about bravery, focus, and self-awareness.

“I'm talking bold styles, cool kicks, backpacks, and even dorm room essentials.”
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0:37good evening everyone and welcome to the first master class of the 2025-2026 school year here at chapman university's dodge college of film and media arts which is also being recorded and will air as the 600th episode of the hollywood reporters Awards Chatter podcast. I'm Scott Feinberg, a trustee professor here, as well as THR's executive editor of awards coverage and the host of Awards Chatter. And like you, I am so thrilled to be joined tonight by a very gifted stand-up comedian and actress who has become one of the most popular people on television via her portrayal of Ava Coleman, the narcissistic, incompetent, morally compromised, toxic, but still somehow lovable principal at a Philadelphia K-8 school on Quinta Brunson's hit ABC comedy series Abbott Elementary.

1:28Ahead of the upcoming 77th Primetime Emmy Awards for her show's fourth season she is a nominee for the best supporting actress in a comedy series Emmy just as she was for the previous three. She has also been nominated for SAG, Golden Globe, Critics' Choice, and Spirit Awards and along with her castmates has won the best comedy ensemble SAG Award. And I think it's pretty obvious that the best is yet to come. And so would you please join me in welcoming to Chapman and to the Hollywood Reporters Awards Chatter Podcast, Ms. Janelle James.

2:20It's right here. Thank you so much for being here. I'm consistent. You forgot I was in the wings listening. Thank you very much for coming here. Thank you for having me. On our kickoff of the season, of the year, of the school year. What we do with these conversations is go back to the very beginning and work our way to the present. So can we begin by asking you to share where were you born and raised and what did your folks do for a living? Oh, I feel like you're the first person to ask me that. Not the way I'm born and raised, but what my folks did for a living. They'll love that. Born and raised in the Virgin Islands.

3:01I'm from St. Thomas, U.S. Virgin Islands. That's roughly half my life and then the half in New York City. And my mom has worked. Well, I don't want to say where my mom. She still works there. because she's of that generation where you stay at a job for your whole life. So she still works there, I will say, for the government. Very nice. And then my father unfortunately passed away eight years ago, but his claim to fame is he was the first food truck and subsequent restaurant owner. It turned into a restaurant, but he was the first food truck owner in St. Thomas, the Virgin Islands. I heard about that, and I heard you might have helped him out as a kid.

3:43Yeah, I was a child slave.

3:50Me and my siblings. Yeah, working for my dad since I was like nine years old. Yeah. So as you mentioned, I know you ended up moving to New York with your mom. I think attended high school there, right? Or was that when you got to New York? No, that was after. It was after, okay. But somewhere along the line, decided to initially pursue a path in fashion? Look, I done did everything. I think people pick that out because that's glamorous, I guess. But yeah, that was one of my stops. I was obsessed with Madonna when I was like very young, when I was too young to be watching her shenanigans. And I just like loved that whole scene and how she like seemingly like took cloth and made her outfits and all of that.

4:36And I got very interested in fashion. My stepmother always sold everything from scratch. my dad was a big dandy and dresser. One of my mom's favorite stories is that part of a big part of the reason that they split up is because he would take too long to get dressed. And so I've always been into like clothing and fashion so that's what I thought. And then Project Runway came out. That was a big thing. I didn't know what I wanted to do. I saw the TV. I said yeah that looks great and then so that's how I pursued it and then like a lot of things I pursued I stopped. you you have uh an interesting resume even long before comedy before acting you you tried a lot of things right I've done a lot of things can you share I mean okay so part of the thing of like going to New York is like you got to hustle you take all your skills that you've acquired and you try to turn it into a business and I'm not somebody who likes to have a clocking job so I've always wanted to work for myself and I'm like that and all my siblings are like that.

5:41And I think that's because of working for my dad, who is an entrepreneur since we've known him. So I have had a personal chef business. I have done sewing lessons. I've done fashion styling. I've done every type of administrative job. You know, I've done hairstyling. I've done, let me think, some of some risky things that I won't say and uh before the internet and um thank god and um yeah and then i've been a stay-at-home mom you know i've a wife that's a job and um and uh yeah so many things i'm sure i'm leaving off but i've dabbled in everything trying to find my thing and and after still dabbling if i'm being honest Well, it's the plight of someone when you're good at a lot of things, you can't focus, you know.

6:39So I'm sure there's some of you out there, you're just like, which one of these things I'm going to do? So I'm going to just keep trying everything. Well, and so you live for a number of years in New York. And then, from what I understand, end up in Illinois. And it was there that you stumbled upon. Yes, I followed a man to Illinois, as women do.

7:03And I didn't like it, but it ended up being fortuitous because I did. One day I was handed a flyer for an open mic and I didn't know what that what that even entailed. I had no idea how comic comedians start or what they I thought you just like in the movies, like some guy with a cigar overhears you being funny. And then they like you're going to go to Hollywood. That's how I thought people got discovered. so it didn't even, you know, I had no idea what it was. And my ex, like, saw it, and he was like, what is that? And he is one of the people who had always said to me, like, you're so funny. He would always say, you're so funny.

7:39You should do something like that with that. I'm like, what? You know, like a clown, you know?

7:48Anyway, he said, you should go. And it was, I will give him credit with his encouragement that I went to check it out. And I saw, like, these, you know, guys. It was all guys like doing their bits. And I was like, oh, this is cool. You know, also like I'm funnier than them. And they were like, oh, you should come back next week because people at open mics love people who actually laugh. And I was like enjoying myself. You could come back next week and laugh and also do your own. Do four minutes. That's what they said. And I was like, what does that mean? You do four minutes of material. So I went home.

8:20I wrote it out. Practiced it in the mirror. Practiced it in front of my kids in their high chairs and shit. And then I went back the next week and I did the four minutes and then I never stopped. Yeah. So that's how I started. I know that you're the first to say, like for people that think it's easy and smooth sailing right from that moment. Yeah. That's a very condensed story of everything. So that was your first night. It was my first night.

8:48Janelle James:And what was the club, by the way? It wasn't a club. It was a biker bar called Memphis on Main in Champaign, Illinois, run by the Tuttle Brothers, who are still there. Nice. That sounds like a this, but they are still there. And yeah, that was, and then my, I then had this like ragtag group of friends, all white boys. That's interesting to say, because I had never hung out with white boys before. And those were my like friends. All of a sudden we would start driving around Illinois and going to different open mics. And then my home club, which is the club where they adopt you into, you know, the fold is the jukebox in Peoria, Illinois, which is also where Richard Pryor started.

9:30And so I would go there every Thursday, Friday, Saturday and do my craft. And that's how it all started. I met all the bigger comedians because they would be coming through from Chicago, go on their way to St. Louis, all the road comics. And so I would be the host or the feature and then they would see me and they say, hey, if you ever come back to the big city, you should look me up. And they didn't mean it because they thought I wasn't going to show up and I showed up. And so, yeah. And from there at all, I just never stopped. And then, you know, as you get better and you make a name for yourself, other people hear from you, hear about you and they come and check you out.

10:14So Chris Rock saw me and I didn't even know he came based on someone else's recommendation, sat in a club, saw me in New York. Oh, in New York. OK. Yeah. At this point. Sorry. Yeah. I'm back in New York.

10:26Janelle James:So so I live in Peoria. You know what I'm saying? I was going to say Chris. I don't see that happening. So I'm trying to like condense all of it. This is like six years. We want to go in. Six years in. Yeah. So you mentioned Richard Pryor. Yes. Richard Pryor. My favorite. Yeah. That's what I was going to say, because I wanted to kind of know what kind of comedy you were consuming growing up and and who you really looked up to. I know he's one of them, but can you break down the list? I didn't really know much about comedy. It was like five big comedians, you know, in my in my view at that time.

11:01Richard Pryor, Eddie Murphy, Chris Rock. Who else? Chappelle. Chappelle. But that's even later, like when I want to age myself. But yeah, that's even Carlin. Yeah. And then the wacky white boys on SNL, the Farleys and the. Samler. Yeah, the screaming. Y 'all too young, but you can look it up. So, yeah, I only and notice I only said all men. So I never it never occurred to me that this would be something I could do. But I've always loved Richard Pryor because his comedy is so sad. and I really think it's such a skill to turn like uh sad things into something that's funny and so like my for example my first three years of comedy was all about my dad dying like truly crushing I was crushing yeah I was crushing with that you know so that's that makes me yeah that's uh that makes my brain happy so that's yeah well I was gonna ask you what your material was like because this builds up to 2017, which is when you put out your first comedy album, Black and Mild, right?

12:09Janelle James:Dang, you went into archives. Yeah, I don't know. This is good. I know you started Abbott Elementary. We got to cover it all. And that, so 2017, your first album comes out. I don't know if that was before or after, but 2017 is also when you went on the road with, began going on the road, I guess, with Chris Rock. You were kind of an opening. Was it? Yeah, it looks like the total Blackout tour. Yeah. Sure. Yeah. So just but but I guess the first thing which you alluded to is you ended up back in New York. Now, you were not staying at the Plaza Hotel when you were when you were going back to New York at that time.

12:44No. So at this point, I am no longer married and I am doing the comedian hustle now. So which is working for sandwiches and drink tickets. And that's why there's a lot of alcoholism in the comedy community, because that's how they pay you when you first. They say, you can have a drink. And then they're like, why is everybody drunk? Anyway.

13:07So, yeah, I was living in like an illegal apartment and loving it. And I was touring on my own. So when you first start touring, you do, you know, the big clubs are like the improv and laugh factory. I was doing the chuckle hut and the laugh a lot and, you know, the giggle barn and all those places. And you maybe get a hotel room like that's a murder house and you sleep. I would sleep with my back against the door, like sitting up because some weirdo would always try to come in or whatever. So that was like my first experience, like touring by myself. But actually, I started touring in Illinois first, which I think was very formative for me because I don't know if you've ever been to Illinois, especially in the deep corn Midwest.

13:55It's very homogenous. It's all white people. It really is. And so that's how I started in front of like all white crowds, largely men. This is before comedy became what it is with the Internet, where everybody is paying attention to it and kind of knows what stand up is. stand-up used to be very niche and so I think that like really like forged steel in my soul what you need to do comedy uh starting where I started to be in front of those crowds who have never seen I I guarantee a black woman speak much less for an hour and then to make them laugh sometimes um was very formative to me so by the time I got back to the city I didn't you know what i'm saying like who can touch me you know what i mean nothing nothing hurt and

14:43Janelle James:comedy hurts so do you remember what year you got back to the city i don't like this is all you tell me no no no well well clearly it would have been a little before 2017 because that's yeah so my first album was like the culmination of all my first jokes that was me there that was like years i guess like maybe like eight years of work in one album that I was like oh yeah I like all these jokes and also I'm ready to release them like to not say them anymore and so I put out that album and then around that time is when I was kind of performing in New York that's a whole like public audition process you have to go to to get into the clubs in New York and that's where Chris Rock saw me wow so that's a huge deal to go out with him and then you were going out not long after I think maybe a year after Amy Schumer on the growing tour and David Cross.

15:34And so people on the comedy scene were certainly aware of you. Also Eugene Merman, which a lot of people don't know. He's Bobby on, on the Bob's burgers. Yeah. So Eugene Merman who voices that is like, they call him the King of alt comedy. So he was a big standup comedian and why he's alt is he does weirdo shit. So they didn't want him in the clubs where it's mostly dudes like my wife sucks. So he would do prop comedy and stuff and they wouldn't let him perform there. So he was one of the first comedians to start doing comedy outside of clubs, just like in rock venues and in town halls and just like a train station.

16:13It's a comedy show like he started at the alt comedy. So Eugene Merman and he also had a festival. This is a big deal for me. That's what I'm saying. And you're making me remember stuff. Eugene Merman is one of the comedians that came through the Midwest and was like call me up when you come to New York and I was like hey I'm here you know and he was like what who are you and and uh he invited me to his party that he would have every year so I got in in in that scene so that was Eugene Merman and Dave Cross and um Catherine Shaw all the whites all the alternative of whites because people be like what are you doing here and then it was like me and so that was great because it got it it allowed me to do the type of comedy that I wanted to do which was anything you wanted to do so that was another form of growing and Eugene Merman was very interested in me because he had his own festival called the Eugene Merman Comedy Festival and when I heard it I was like who the hell is this dude they got a festival named after himself like I never heard of that kind of thing and i just thought that was so amazing so anyway four years later he gave it to me so it became the janelle james comedy festival because he was leaving the scene he got bob's burgers money now you know so he didn't he didn't want to he was leaving the scene a bit and he handed it over to me and that was a big deal and that's another reason chris rock uh even heard my name because that was a big deal in in the comedy uh so thanks eugene he's super cool can i uh mention a couple things i heard were part of your repertoire of material uh and tell me maybe maybe you can uh maybe you can tell a little bit about it okay you'd mentioned that you would often talk about your father was there something about a kung fu obsession oh oh man you got so young i I don't even know if you know these references, but my dad, I always say my dad is like an 80s kung fu dad.

18:09There was a time in the 80s where every, especially black man, was super into kung fu, like Bruce Lee, all that stuff. And he was Chuck Norris, like all those things. And he was very much that dude machismo. He is where I got all my idea of what masculinity is, which is probably why I'm still single now. And he was a character. like he really was and what is the joke? I know you're leading me into the joke but I'm trying to remember. No, no, no, you don't have to. He had, he would wear Chuck Norris jeans which was jeans specially made for side kicking. That is true. They had a gusset in the middle so if you kick to the side you don't bust your nuts open.

18:56And he had them on deck just in case he had to kick somebody that day. I've also seen him beat somebody up with nunchucks um and so yeah that's who raised me okay here's another one I hope uh hope the reporting is accurate a support group for the formerly hot

19:21Janelle James:so yeah I think I was feeling old it's so funny because I feel younger now than I did when I wrote those jokes but maybe I had just turned 30 or something and devastating yeah I was like oh I think I went out and like nobody bought me a drink and I was like I should kill myself like this is

19:50which you know I'm glad I'm in front of young people now especially young women this is a cautionary tale of making your identity your looks because when you lose it, you kind of go into a tailspin. So you want to present yourself as a smart person who just happens to be attractive, not an attractive person and then smart later. That's the better play so you don't spiral out. Okay. Well, this kind of material was winning you not only admirers that you would tour with, but then there was people on TV writing staffs who started to reach out. I'm going to just mention a few. It's all within like maybe the period 2017 to right up till Abbott comes along.

20:36I'm interested to hear them. Okay, so this one, the rundown with Robin Thede on BET. That was my first writing job. Yeah. Who also on that show, Ayo Edibrio. Yeah. That was our first writing job together. Z-Way was also on that show. And a lot of people who are now behind the scenes on some big shows, we all started on that show together. That was like how long? 2017? 2017, yeah. Y 'all do the math. I'm not in school. I'm not in school. Y 'all do the math. Okay, 2020 to 2021, you were involved with Showtime's Black Monday. Yeah. Now, this was the first time, I think, that you acted as well, ever?

21:17Janelle James:Yes. So let me tell y 'all about this game. So I got that job, and it wasn't a scam. Sometimes you're in the room, you're developing characters. and I was pitching a character that I thought was hilarious, and one of the other writers was like, that sounds like somebody you should play, and I was like, yeah. And so I kept that going. I should play this character. I should play this character. Don't you think I should play this? And everybody's like, yeah, let Janelle. Thankfully a nice writer's room that liked me. And the showrunner was like, yeah, you should play that character. And so that was my first acting job, but I didn't tell anybody.

21:57I just was on set in my costume because I didn't believe it because I didn't audition or anything so I was on there my and it was a period it's set in the 80s so I had on my big shoulder pads and my wig and I'm looking at Don Cheadle and Regina Hall and I was like this is cool this is nice like look at the lights you know and uh showrunner was like what do you mean look at the lights I was like this is amazing like this look at the set you know and he was like what why you have you never been on a set before? And I was like, no. He was like, what do you mean? I was like, I've never acted before.

22:31And he was like, okay.

22:36Crushed it.

22:37Janelle James:Did you?

22:45Did you, I mean, did that kind of, was that like an awakening where I am, I am now an actor or did No, that was yet another, what's the word, yet another affirmation for me that I could do whatever I want. It wasn't like, I was like, oh, this is another thing in my wheelhouse. I mean, I always knew with acting that comedy is a path into it. And I thought, just like your Adam Sandler's, your Chris Rock's, your Eddie Murphy's, that one of my friends would get a show. I never thought I'd be disciplined enough to get my own show. So I was like, one of my friends would get something. And then they'll say, come on, Janelle, come play the Wacky Webber.

23:19And that's how I would enter into it. That's what I thought. But I never really was like, I'm going to be an actor, you know. And I was like, this is cool. If I got more of this, that would be cool. You know, that's how I. And to prove that you're you're being, you know, totally serious about that. I mean, you were continuing to do writing, right? Yeah. And you do stand up, not especially aggressive auditioning for other things. My goal at the time was to be Chris Rock, like to tour like him and do a world tour, which I still do. Yeah, that was my goal at the time, and then maybe dabble in acting here and there.

23:54Were there any that you were particularly excited about that maybe got away? Any projects or parts in that period before Abbott? Are you talking about Glow? I mean, that's one of them. See, he's trying to lead me into stuff. I mean, yeah, I don't audition. I didn't and still don't audition for much. One, because at the time my career was comedian, So I'm not like chasing acting gigs and that's a blessing. I don't have to be like out auditioning for everything. And so I would only audition for things that were super interesting to me and things that I thought would be in my wheelhouse. And one was Glow.

24:32I don't know if you guys remember that show. It's okay if you didn't, if you don't, because I'm not in it. And but it was like about 80s female wrestling team. And they, you know, when you're wrestling, first of all, my dad, big wrestling fan. So I knew that whole, you know, WWF era. And you have your character as a wrestler. So for the audition, we had to come in as our character, do some like wrestling moves and then like do an 80s rap. And I thought I murdered that shit. And I did a round kick, a perfect round kick. My dad was in heaven like, yes. And and then I didn't get it. so now that's when i remember because where when else in life do you do around

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25:20Janelle James:but also it sounds like there weren't that many parts that you were that that's the other thing well not only excited about so even now people will be like why aren't you in more things people have to stop being disingenuous to especially if you're in the business maybe you guys don't because you are in the business you don't know but when people in the business It's like, why aren't you in more things? As if there's this like deluge of parts for one black woman, black women my age, black women that look like me. Like, it's just there isn't. And so and then if I have to then from those few things, choose the things that interest me, that's even less.

26:01You know, so that's why you not only me, a lot of people, you might be like, why is she in? That's why it's not a lot of. And that's why people have to create their own shows such as Quinta. I was just that you perfect transition. Thank you. Uh, so Quinta Brunson, had you ever heard of Quinta Brunson before you heard that there was a project called Abbott Elementary? So I had heard of Quinta because I did one show with her, um, I think maybe like four years. So Quinta has always has been, had always been in LA and I had always been in New York. We, that don't really cross, uh, comedy wise because usually New York people are snobs.

26:40New York comics are snobs we're like oh LA people are actors they're not trying to be comedians they're not about this chuckle hut life you know what I mean they do an audition they do a comedy kind of but they're being there that's what we would say it is true but um they're doing comedy be out here because agents are in the audience and they might get cast and their their comedy is all about them pitching a sitcom which is like yeah I grew up in a small town and my grandma she's wacky and my aunt also lived with us wouldn't that be a great show that's like their comedy and we're over here death and pain and sadness you know so Quinta was in LA she was doing her BuzzFeed thing and internet stuff and I totally missed all of that because I had kids I was watching Blues Clues and Backyard Games and shit I had never heard of her so by the time I was in her doing comedy in her even uh worldview my son was a fan of hers and so when he saw the lineup he was like, oh, she's funny.

27:39That's the only knowledge I have. And so my first words to her when I was visiting L.A. and we were on a show together at the Laugh Factory, I think. I said, oh, my son is a big fan of yours. And she said, really? And that was it. Till years later, this show comes out and my agents were just like, I think you would like this. I read it. And I was like, this is hilarious. And then I still didn't audition. Can I just ask, do you know why so from the very beginning it was they were suggesting or somebody from the show had suggested that you it was specifically Ava or was it something to do with the show my agent said Ava like oh there's this part I think you you would like she's hilarious I think it's in your wheelhouse I think you love it I think the pilot is funny and a lot of pilots aren't good they just aren't it's very hard to write a good tv show that's why some a lot of them fail and never even get started because the pilot is what introduces you to and and sometimes the pilot isn't that good and then it gets better I thought Abbott was good from episode one like the on paper it was funny the characters were clear and I read it like like cracking up like to laugh at a written word is is amazing my agents were like Ava is and I think they were also looking for Ava I later found out like every black woman in LA auditioned for the part.

29:03And I think it almost helped that I was slow to audition because they went through everyone, all the known people and we're still looking. And then I get to, what about me? You know, that kind of thing. And so, yeah. And how many steps was the casting process? My audition was during the pandemic, towards the end when they were kind of like, we're open, we're closed, that type of thing. But I was closed. I was in the house. part of why I didn't audition. I was like, we're all going to die. Like, why would I? Anyway, um, uh, my first audition was self-tape. Then I got, they were like, oh, we like it.

29:41Uh, Quinta would like to meet with you through Zoom. And so I, I Zoomed with her and then I had an audition. Long story short, I had four auditions, all Zoom, each with a escalating number of people. So like Quinta and the producer, Quinta, the producer and the showrunners, Quinta, the producer, should have shown us an ABC, Quinta, you know, and then like the final one was like two blank squares. I think that's the Illuminati. And, um,

30:07and then I was in, and then I was in and I found out, uh, like second episode Quinta, yeah, told me a lot of people audition and that she was fighting for me. Like they wanted a known, you know, actor, a bigger name actor. And she was like no this is it and so every time she there's someone for a part that they like you send it up the chain to you know the people who really make the decisions at that time it's not going to be like she doesn't have the power at that time and she said she just kept sending me as the only person like we didn't see anybody else how's this person you know so she really like fought for me so yeah yeah that's great so you get cast as you said it was still dark days of panda or you know Not open and clear.

30:51I went from, yeah, being in the house to being on a plane for the first time in a year, wrapped in saran wrap with a school mask.

31:02And we'll just, you know, remind people to set up what you were walking into with the pilot, where at that point, I believe it's the case, right? You would have signed that if the pilot gets picked up, you've signed your life away for a number of years. but there's just in fact it's always even with great material at least as likely that you never do anything again right that's usually the case I knew it was gonna go that's why immediately that's why I ultimately was like let me get my shit together and send in this tape I was I was like if it's not even if I'm not on it this show is gonna go this pilot is so good and clear and hilarious.

31:41I mean, I want to say it would be stupid for them not, and they do do stupid stuff. I'm talking about networks, but I was like, this is a winner. It's going to go. I would love to be a part of it. So I knew it was going to go. And when we did the pilot, I went back to New York. I was like, that was cool. And I went back to New York and then they're like, oh, we got picked up. And I wasn't even surprised. I was like, yeah, let's go. You know? And so season one was 13 episodes. Yep. We'll remind people that at the beginning. Yeah, crush it. But I mean just Ava first of all if people don't know if that or need a reminder or whatever the cameras doing the Mockumentary are there because Ava's invited them into the school.

32:20A lot of people forget that. Yeah, yeah Ava Started out behaving pretty despicably in a number of ways

32:31Janelle James:To my face I Mean, how did she get the job? Can we remind people? blackmail but who was doing who was doing a worse deed to be blackmailed for that's true a little misappropriation of money a few few other you know things but the amazing thing is that despite all the kind of nefarious things that she gets up to almost I think for most people right out of the gate people love this character and I think that not everybody not everybody yeah well Quinta said early on quote it's not easy to play an unlikable character and still win the audience over close quote so what in your experience is the secret to that was it really something that you were maybe able to do because of the background and stand up is there a way to play with the audience or something yes so that goes back to what I said about starting in the Midwest in front of people who are not accustomed to listening to people like me and winning them over you know truly I've done shows to like a full hundred person room of like stone faced people you know and then by the end I get a couple of chuckles and that's a win uh for me or I get no chuckles but on the way out people say you are really funny you know uh that's what like that skill of like being able to eventually get them to full laughter you know and to come back to see me and make myself a name in a small place like that is what lets me do this character that you may initially not like but then now you love me you know so that that's definitely in my wheelhouse that's how I do comedy still now it's uh all uh emotional manipulation that's what comedy is uh and and I love that power and this character loves her power you know of running this school so I I relate to that in in that way yeah and I think you also very clearly have laid out what Ava's function I think the word you may have used is within the show I mean as you've said she's someone for all the other characters to play opposite against right yeah can you explain more what what you mean by that I mean they get to be what is important in the school these hard-working teachers and and uh these people who are like living their lives uh for the school it helps a barb shine more brightly if she's against a foil like Ava.

35:01I'm also there for the comic relief so you don't, you know, crash out when you hear that the kids don't have rugs and books and stuff, you know. It's also, I'm also a representation of the school that I'm in. I always see Ava as someone who also went to a school like that. That's why she's so cool with the kids. She knows exactly what they're going through. She knows exactly what they need. She, she know they need pants. She knows they need, y 'all watch the show, She got pants in her desk. She knows they need lotion. She knows they need food and camaraderie and somebody to talk to like a rope, like an adult that they can talk to maybe because their parents are working or they don't have any a good home life.

35:39Like that's what she represents. And so everybody in the school has their part, which is a what do they say? A village. Yeah, that's what a school is. The village is raising all the children. And she's a part of vital part of it. Yeah. That first season in particular, Ava has a lot of kind of one-liners, which Abbott will remind people is a single-camera show, which means there's no audience reacting live to what you're doing, which is obviously completely different from stand-up. Were you confident performing in that way, or did you kind of know that you were still going to get the laugh when people eventually saw it, or was that jarring?

36:23Well, 10 years of comedy has taught me timing. So I know when a joke is supposed to land, but it was like jarring to do the jokes to like Gregory's eyeballs. You know what I mean? Like it's hard to not be like, eh? Am I right? You know, that kind of, which this show gives you a little of that because you get to look to the camera, you know, like, you know, but you can't do that all the time. So it is like a weird feeling of like, am I crushing it? You know, that's also funny that you bring up that looking to the camera, because you've said not only were you not trying to be an actress, but you were also for at least a chunk of your life.

37:04That would have been like a terrifying idea. Yeah. And now you end up not only acting, but everything you run for comes and catches you is what I've everything you run from comes for you. If it's your destiny or whatever. So this I remember touring with Chris Rock. This is what I always think about when I get a question like touring with Chris Rock seeing that was like very much seeing what showbiz is and what fame is. And one day going midday during the tour to a movie. I forget the movie because I only remember this this part and just watching everyone watch Chris Rock from the time we left his vehicle to walk into the thing.

37:42And even in the movie, watching people watch him while the movie is playing. And I remember thinking that seems horrible. I don't ever want to be famous. And then here I am. You know what I mean? Well, that's exactly the next topic because December 7th, 2021, show debuts on ABC National, one of the four broadcast networks which reach just huge numbers. Immediately a hit, more than 7 million viewers across all platforms in the first month. how soon after that and in what ways did you observe your own life changing now that you were man uh first also want to say not only me saying hey I don't want to be famous my friends will always say you're going to be famous I'll be like shut up like I'm not I'm just gonna make I'm just gonna do this over here at the chuckle hut and be fine but and they were like okay but anyway so here I am and then this starts and I'm immediately faced with my face every time I open the phone uh memes this is like not only fame but fame in the in the era of phones and social media is wild like i really do i'm reading an article about tax returns and it's me and they're like you know people use my face for everything so that's weird that's weird and then um Just being outside and people being like, Ava, and I'm truly took me about two seasons to be like, oh, that's me.

39:15They talking to, you know, because I'm not the character after I leave. That's one multiple things. And but thankfully, I'm on a show with people who've been in the business for a long time. Tyler James Williams, who's been in the business since he was a child, was right away telling me like, hey, your life is going to change. these are some ways you should be behaving and moving and saying things, you know, and I'm like, what? I'm a comedian. I'm from fucking New York. You know, tell me what to do. And he was all right about everything. Yeah, I can't really be outside. I can't. Yeah. And if and when you are, I remember you said this story about, I think it might have been right after the first episode aired, like a lot of people, you like to go to Target.

40:07Not anymore, but yeah. Target was my happy, sad place. That's where I would go when I was sad and buy things I didn't need. And a guy picked me up in Target, literally off my feet to hug me. And that was terrifying. And the weird thing about being on a sitcom and in a comedy is your fans are preaching are approaching you with joy but that's not always cool that's not always cool I'm not always in the mood for it you know and I think that's my right but people who've been in the business longer know how to how to fake it I uh continue on my path of not doing that let's see how it works out for me but yeah it's it's a whole thing you don't you really can't not perform after you leave the set people expect it and they want to tell you about their life and their grandma that's a teacher and I'm not a teacher but you know I'm supposed to listen to it um and I'm and I meet a lot of principals and I'm not a principal nor have I even googled what they do um I am I'm an actor the other thing is even with people who you do know it must in some ways affect who are you talking about?

41:25no I'm not talking about anybody but I mean you've said like and this is true for a lot of people who suddenly become very well known and also well compensated as you deserve to be that also can be a jarring thing yeah this whole thing has been really traumatic for me I think that's where you're leading me to. Yeah, fame is not anything I had considered. Again, I've just always done what I wanted, what is interesting to me, what seems fun. Oh, I can make money doing this. This is cool. You know, that kind of thing. And so I just never even thought about what goes into it and what the consequences of this fame could be, which is having money, maybe being the first person in your family to have this amount of money.

42:14That's that's why it's a thing to navigate through your friends my friends are still poor you know you know a lot of my friends are still that's a conversation to have and and to navigate through um loss of privacy which is big for me people's uh entitlement of me and my body and my time that's that's uh important and for me and the thing i've been uh dealing with isolation look i could go on But other than that, it's great. But other than that. But, yeah, I figured that's why we get paid so much money, so we can move further and further up into the hills so people don't talk to us.

42:53Doesn't that sound fun? And then, by the way, the work continues because after you guys blew up, right? I always get in trouble for my interviews, man. No, no, no. Season one, that's part of what comes with it, but also the fact that people love the show, you're now back, not for 13 episodes, where you can kind of like come into L.A. and go home, but 22 episodes, which I just want to remind people, just as a point of reference, you're nominated this year for an Emmy in a category where every other person in the category is nominated for a season where they had either 10 or 12 episodes. And... He said it.

43:43Yes, that is true.

43:45Janelle James:Broadcast network shows are no joke. No joke. I'm going to be up at 3 o 'clock in the morning right after I leave here because my call time is 4.30. Yeah. I mean, that thing, though, I mean, it's interesting how the viewership of broadcast. Much worse jobs to have, by the way. Don't write me saying I work in a coal mine. I know that. talking about my own experience no no but it is interesting how like when it comes to things like emmys or other awards or whatever often and critics sometimes not you guys are are well reviewed but a lot of network shows like people forget you have to be funny within the confines of standards and practices you can't say everything you want you can't show everything you want exactly so it's a lot hard and i wonder like thank you so much for saying these things that i don't have to say yeah a lot of people don't think about that and a lot of people also don't respect comedy I've dealt with that just from being a stand-up everybody thinks they can do it everybody thinks it's fun you know they're funny because they well sitting around the water cooler and took a told a joke about their lawnmower or whatever and they're like oh I could also do that like it's every and I think that goes with every job I think a big problem with society period is everybody thinks everybody's job is easy you know and so comedy is like uh not well respected on stage and uh and on on film they think it's uh easier to do than to cry and i always say behind jokes is tears right there i could cry right now if i wanted to i'm sad that's why i'm funny yeah you know so i'm not saying drama is easy but it's like comedy is a skill and uh and so it's amazing to be recognized even when i was the the one-liner you know as they would would would call me uh the one line not the one-liner person it's hard to be a one to do one-liners and still stand out and make an impact like that and it's to say it in a way that people remember and they also want to uh repeat it that's a skill that I've acquired over decades of doing comedy so yeah over the four years four seasons of of doing Abbott your character has evolved a lot and And the one-liners is really like largely a thing of the past and we'll get to what it is now.

46:00But that's largely because of the writers room and Quinta. And you've talked about how you, your relationship as someone who has written on shows and written your own comedy as a stand-up, but also wanting to be respectful and trusting of the writers who have obviously gotten you guys this far. but can you talk about how over the course of the four years maybe if you have an idea or a suggestion or something and you've gotten more comfortable sharing that yeah first couple seasons um you know I did get a couple ad-libs into the first season but I only do it when I'm asked because again yeah I do respect the writers I know when I was on writing rooms we did not want the actors giving us their thoughts nobody cares what you think you know so so I respect that but every once in a while our main director Randall Einhorn who is also hilarious will be like we've done it how it is on paper Janelle you got anything because he knows I'm funny and then I'll be like ah let me back my tasty ass up and then it makes it in the show it makes it in the show so that's amazing every once in a while that would happen but now as the show goes on I'm now I'm like I don't think Ava would say that you know can we there was an example I heard about where in season four among other things we're seeing Ava gets to know her father Ava gets to have a bit of a love interest Ava spoiler alert has uh employment termination issues uh one of the things that best day of my life when Ava got fired oh we're gonna call we're gonna come to that but But I do think the thing that, like, with the love interest, I heard there was a story there where you decide Ava would not say something.

47:48Oh, yeah. Oh, okay. So, yeah, that was the season finale. The line is, maybe I'll keep you long term at the end. I'm sure the ladies remember that line. And the line in the – and I keep meaning to read this script remember this when people ask me but the line was more from Ava in a what I thought a pleading tone of like not self-confidence of maybe you want to go out with me long maybe you want to yeah like was that it is that I think so oh okay maybe you want to go out with me long term like does that sound like Ava I don't care how fine this man is you know what I mean like you're not about to be begging you know what i mean and so i saw it and we were shooting on on location in philly we shoot in la but for certain uh scenes and locations we'll fly to philly and because that takes you out of your element i couldn't i just knew i didn't like it but i couldn't think of what an alternative and i know from comedy from the writer's room and just from existence i hate when people say i don't like something and then they have no suggestion it's like who cares then you know so I just kept like muttering about it all day like I hate that line I hate that line and uh we did it we got to the to the scene we did it I was like oh and uh the Randall thank God was our director and I was I just don't like that line I don't think she would say it I don't think that's that's how she would say it and he was like that's a Quinta line Quinta wrote that even though it wasn't her episode she wrote that and usually I'm like okay that's the boss uh that's my tiny boss and so I'll leave it but I was like ah anyway cut that was the last scene of the of the episode they started breaking down they sent the kids away and I was just like I got it and he's like what is it and I was like I think she would say maybe I'll keep you long term that's more you know it's asking but it's like oh I'm letting you choose me you know and maybe I will let you do it you know that that's what she does that power play and he was like I love it everyone come back he reassembled everyone and we re-shot it and I said that and then Matthew who plays O'Shawn ad-libbed back to me maybe I'll keep you long and I just thought that was more I ain't even gotta say you feel me right there right you know more more Ava so yeah I'm more comfortable and then they trust me now too to be like, yeah, what idea do you have?

50:22You know this character. What do you have? And then Quinta liked it too. She didn't murder me. So, yeah. Well, another thing that, you know, you say people sometimes, everybody thinks they can deliver a joke the same way or whatever, and they can't. But another thing is there's the physicality of the character. Quinta is quite short. Facts. You have tried to, you have recognized, I guess, with her, maybe with your costume people, whatever. like it's not fun I'm sure to always be around in high heels but it's comedically very effective I think it's hilarious that Ava is towering over this tiny person and being so mean like just visually it's hilarious to me so anytime which has been very few that Ava wears flats or tennis shoes it's just less it's just less funny to me and I don't feel like her the heels are part of the costume of this character it makes me move differently you see how you know so I can't do that in tennis shoes every season I hurt myself in some way trying to do physical comedy uh season three I hurt my back what was I doing running leaving the school or some shit and uh and then last season I did the intro into a flip so yes I'm gonna tell you guys that was a stunt double But I do the start into the and I had already injured myself standing for hours at the Emmys.

51:47So my ankles were already weak. I had worn like crazy shoes to the Emmys. And so I went to go do that that stumble into the flip that the stunt double would finish. And my ankle touched the ground and I cried. And so I was in flats for like four episodes. So that's a little thing you could go back and watch after that episode, maybe for four episodes. You could see me maybe limping here and there and then also being shorter than I usually am and not as Ava-like. I was bumped. So, yeah, yeah, that is, yeah, that's part of the physicality and the visual comedy that we're doing. All right, so this brings us to what happened a few weeks ago, which is that you received for, again, the fourth season in a row an Emmy nomination for the show.

52:46and each one of them I think was very deserved but I feel like and I've been reading a lot to prep for this and talking a lot of other people in the business and there is a I think a widespread feeling that there's never been a better argument for your uh being recognized than there is for this season it's interesting how the show has kind of deliberately or not like highlighted different actors each season. I think season one, which is the one that Shirley Ralph won her Emmy for, it was largely a Barbara season, right? She got to shine. Season two, Tyler James, probably his season there. On and on we go.

53:30But this one, for all the reasons that I mentioned earlier, the variety of things you get to do, the difference in the type of comedic stuff that you're having to perform. Do you agree? Does this feel like a different kind of season for you? I mean, I feel like if it ain't this year, what y 'all want from me? No, no, no. You see, I say stuff like that as a joke, and then they write it, and then everybody's like, she's so ungrateful. Okay, I was joking, but also not. Again, I think this comes back to people not respecting comedy and thinking it's easy. I think, yes, Barbara year, Tyler year, but I also feel like every year was Ava year.

54:07Like, I was memorable in every season. but this year I got to do different moods and and and I also think she's been doing different moves and moods in every season but this year was more expanding is what it is if you're paying attention she's had her moments in the previous seasons where she's telling Barbara like mind your business so what she got a tattoo you know or you know or uh advising Janine like she's had her moments with the with the children and stuff but this year she really got to expand and I know uh because she told me Quinta was like yeah I didn't know you knew how to act like this and so now I trust you and I'm gonna give you uh more to work with and I loved it including dramatic scenes including dramatic scenes and again I feel like uh behind every comedian is a sad clown so that wasn't a real stretch for me uh to pull from trauma last three uh quick things from me and then we're gonna close with some student questions.

55:03This is an excellent interview. Thanks. Number one, what haven't we learned about Ava that you hope will be explored in the future? Ooh, who did our daddy ran off with? Okay, okay. Keith David, that would be great to have more of Keith David, great actor playing your dad. Where's her mother? What happened with that? The gang of girls is she always going out with? What's their deal? Where does she live? Is it fabulous? Of course it is. So many things. many things but I will say even though I'm saying that and one of the things that makes the show uh excellent and uh steady and stay on its path is that the show is not about Ava and her life and the and the where she lives and O'Shawn and all of that it's about the school like that's really why those things haven't been revealed in such in some big pace it's like the show is really about a low-funded school in Philadelphia the teachers and their plights and the children and all the other things are extra so yeah next question how long would you like the show to go on slash how much longer do you want to be a part of doing a network show now what i just want to before you answer how long will my ankles last right well here was a crazy thing in 2023 a journalist asked you what would happen what would happen if the show went on for years perhaps maybe the staff would change, perhaps Ava would get fired.

56:30That was brought up by a journalist before. And you said, regarding her getting fired, quote, I think that would be better than a redemption arc where she becomes a good person all of a sudden. That's when I quit, close quote.

56:44Janelle James:So with that stated, how much longer do you want this? I could have said that more elegantly. That was early seasons before I had PR training. and uh and uh what i meant was and what they're doing and why this character is good sometimes the cliche is exactly what i said something happens and now she's a totally different now she's barb oh she's about the children and and she's a whole different character ava is opening up parts of herself and revealing parts of herself and softening parts of herself that were always there and she's still the same person like that's how real people are you know nobody does like a 180 you know all of a sudden and and uh that's what I was afraid of like I like this character and I like that she has different layers and I like that she's as fabulous as she says she is that's what her getting fired uh revealed like she is the bad bitch that she been saying like and it also made it uh her decision to stay in this school it showed even more how much she cares about this the the uh school and these kids like you see she had a side hustle on top of side hustle like she has money she came back out of the goodness of her heart but she's still kind of an asshole and i love that i love that so that's what i meant if they just like made her you know some big boring which which totally i was gonna be out i was gonna be out no no totally totally makes sense um did you by the way this is a side to that one not the last but a side question when they told you ava was getting fired in an upcoming episode i was like oh vacation exactly what i said in the show i'm becoming her that's what happens when you play a character for a long time.

58:37Janelle James:Didn't panic a little bit? No. No? Okay, all right. Just like her. I didn't panic. I'm like, again, I have not changed from who I was when I said I started and I was just doing all my jobs and pursuing all my interests, and I am still that same way. I don't hold on to anything too tightly because nothing is forever. I know that just from life. I know that I will always land on my feet, just like Ava, and I knew I was an important part of the show. I was like, I'm interested to see how you would do without me. I will be tuning in is how I took it. But I thank you so much. Thank you so much. And not in a bad way.

59:19And I feel like Quinta can do it. That's how amazing she is. I was like, look, this is your project. Like, if you think this is what would, you know, what it needs or how it's going to go, I'm behind you and I will find something else to do. So. So, okay, so Abbott could go on for as long as, you know, we'll see how long, but. Yeah, as long as she wants it to go on. Yeah, that's what I want for Quinta. But for you, either on the show, I mean, there are people that are wondering, you've written and you've written on other shows. Could you ever write an episode of Abbott? Could you ever direct an episode of Abbott?

59:56Outside of Abbott, are there things with stand-up that you didn't get to do when you were coming up that you want to do now? Now, are there dramatic parts? I mean, I heard that you, this might be a legend.

1:00:06Janelle James:Could be not true. I mean, you've been doing stuff. You agreed to host the Writers Guild Awards. Why? Ooh. Why did I? Was it to get on White Lotus? Yes.

1:00:28Janelle James:Mike White was nominated, I guess. He was going to be there. Didn't happen to y 'all saw that last season. Still time. Still time. Delete that. So, you know, beyond either within World of White Lotus or beyond what's, you know, on your bucket list as the last thing for me. Still White Lotus. I still want to do that. Yeah, yeah. Why not? I want to have my own show. Yeah. I want to have my own show, a scripted show. and that's mostly again making opportunities for myself and also what Quinta has taught me is what kind of environment I like to work in that also keeps me interested so when you have your your own vehicle you can kind of craft who's around you and who you want to work with and I always want to work with my friends and people who want me to succeed that's not every workplace so that excites me I would love to still tour like I said just like Chris Rock going on the world tour doing the big theaters, release more specials, write a book, start a band.

1:01:36And yeah, continue to be fabulous and do whatever I want. That's my goal. Maybe win an Emmy.

1:01:46Janelle James:Yeah, yeah, yeah. Maybe. Maybe. Well, thank you for this part. Thank you so much. Thank you, guys. We have some folks with mics in the audience. We're going to close with some - Do we have time for one student question? So we want to really - Just one. It better be good. Don't ask me if I like tacos or something crazy. Do you like tacos? I do. I do actually. Oh my god. Your name, your year, and your brief question. Okay. All right. hi um my name is remy um i'm a producing i'm a producing major and um my one question for you is how do you navigate a comedic career as a black woman without falling into stereotype and sticking to yourself i know i'm sorry falling into stereotypes hmm that depends on what your idea of what a stereotype is so here's a thing with that I think about that like we all know what the stereotype of black women are which is like I guess a loud funny sassy that's the word we always hear those women exist you know what I mean it's not that that's a bad portrayal of black women is that that's the only portrayal of black women so that's how I feel about that I again pursue projects that I think are worthwhile and that are in my wheelhouse I guess I could do that stereotype that version of black women but I wouldn't be good at it because that's not my that's not my thing you know there are actresses who who can do that I don't think it's bad that that exists those tropes exist I think it's bad when it's the only representation of us and also that those type but black women are historically and frequently the start of culture.

1:03:47So I think it sucks that we have to kind of run from those. My biggest and most cherished fans are those women who come up to me with the baby hairs and the nails and the lashes, and they're like, I see myself in you. You're a hustler. I also grew up poor. I have dreams, and I never thought that I could make it to where you are. Like those are the people that I feel like the women that I feel like I represent. So I don't try to run away from portraying or acknowledging their existence. I love them anyway. So that's one. And then what's the second part of the question? That's it.

1:04:27Janelle James:I think you I think you. Yeah, I did it. Yeah.

1:04:32Okay. So they said it was three questions. Is it because we ran over Tom? I don't know. Was it two other people that were told they could ask questions? Go ahead. I'd rather talk to y 'all than him.

1:04:49And he's amazing. So what does that say? Wow, okay. Hi. Hey. Thank you for being here. I was wondering about the It's Always Sunny in Philadelphia crossover and your experience of integrating two different comedy ensembles and if that was difficult based on just stylistically, what that was like. Thank you. You're welcome. No, it wasn't difficult. They wrote their script. Their writers wrote their script, and we had our script. It was weird to see them on our set, not only because they're them, but also their characters don't fit. And I was just like, how that's going to happen? You know what I mean?

1:05:29Like, they just did not. Their energy of their cast, not the actors. The actors are lovely. Their characters on Abbott, which is a sweet show, was just weird. and then to go over to their show, I felt chill. Like over there, we get cursed? That's cool. I've been, you know, I get myself headaches on Abbott trying not to curse. So that was great. And I heard many people say that I came off even more natural than I do on Abbott. But that was cool to be on a show that I've been watching since it started. And I'm glad they stuck around long enough for me to be on it. Yeah, 18 seasons, that's crazy.

1:06:02So, yeah, that was amazing. Danny DeVito, what? Yeah, yeah. Not hard at all. yeah it was an honor yeah who's a wait no who who did they tell no i don't think they oh it was just okay yeah all right

1:06:21hi i'm so honored i was chosen hi i'm amy andergar i'm a film and tv production major and my question is what are some characteristics that you feel like a successful woman like you should have in order to work in the film industry

1:06:42brave truly like this is you have to be so brave you have to be sure of yourself you have to be focused in a way so you don't get waylaid by all the it's so much stuff that can deter you and lead you into another bad or not the place you're trying to go or shiny or you have to really be focused on what you want and also yeah sure of yourself which is hard as a young person I always say I started comedy already as an adult and that was a boon for me I already knew who I was I already knew my boundaries but the faster you can get that together the better it will be for you like really and as a woman like you first that which is hard for us like I'm taking care of myself first and then everything else comes after and then when that happens the when it comes it's so much better you'll just like so many people waste so much time energy and uh life force worrying about other things and other people especially women that's how we're we're brought up to be so take care of yourself first know who you are and focus like and also know that this is a dream job like nothing is owed to you like so many other people want it you have to stay on your path don't worry about what everybody else is doing you stay on your path so that's what i would say yeah janelle has been so thank you so much generous to be here and you're continue to continue to applaud thank you again Janelle James applause applause applause applause applause applause

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