Jay Leno [LIVE]

25:35It was just an interesting time. You know, at NBC, people always tell the story about me hiding in the closet. But it is true. I went in to see Warren Littlefield because they were going to drop me. I heard the rumors. So I go in there. There's nobody in his office. And then I hear somebody come in. So I go in the closet and I shut the door. And then the meeting starts. And then they have this big meeting discussing me. Oh, yeah, I'm Tom Sawyer now. I go, okay. And I remember Warren saying, now, listen, We didn't even tell our second lieutenants what happens in this room. Yes, okay, fine. They all leave.

26:19I waited an hour. But two days later, I see Warren in the hallway. He goes, hi, Jay. Second Lieutenant Jay Leno before me. He goes, what does that mean? What does that mean? I said, no, I'm just making a job. Why did you say second lieutenant? What does that mean? So then I did that again, and I heard him say, somebody, there's a spy. Leno knows what's, it was like, oh yeah, hilarious. Did you learn anything interesting during those times? Yeah, Jack Welch liked me. Jack, you know. You know, I was always a company guy. I like to make money for people I work for. I mean, because if you make money for them, then you will be successful.

27:03It's as simple as that, you know. Like people go, oh yeah, that's a sellout. Yeah, that's what I want to do. I want to sell out when I go places. Yeah, you're in the sellout business of the year. Yeah. You know, I would have other comedians say, you know, you got watered down. Yes, I did get watered down because you can't do the same kind of material every night. You have to sort of water it down. I remember one comic and then I see him as the wacky neighbor on some sitcom and I go, okay, this is, yeah, it's very funny. Well, that might have also been Alan Thicke. No, but just things you don't expect.

27:36I never expected that. Oh, okay. Well, it seems like, yeah, there's a lot of envy or bitterness amongst certain communities. I know you're saying you found that many are supportive and happy, but clearly there's... Well, yeah, I mean, obviously there's going to be a... You know, I always tell people, it's never your talent. Too straight, too gay, too high, too drunk, too jealous, too greedy. There's always some other reason why. I mean, assuming you have the basic talent. But the reason you fail usually has nothing to do with your talent. And you just have to learn to put that aside. You know, I never shoot for happiness.

28:14I shoot for contentment. People go, are you happy? I go, no, but I'm contented. Because happiness is a euphoric state. If you're happy all the time, you're a crazy person. So to me, I just shoot for contentment. I don't believe the good stuff, and I don't believe the bad stuff. I just, oh, thank you. You suck. Thank you. You're the greatest. Oh, thank you very much. You know, I try to keep a balance to it. And I try to live a normal life, you know. I mean, my wife and I, you know, I would go home every night after the show and make dinner. And we'd have dinner and watch TV, you know. And that's kind of the great thing about being at the Tonight Show.

28:50I could be around show business without being immersed in it. You know, I could sit next to Charlie Sheen and enjoy him without being at Charlie Sheen's party. You know what I'm saying? I mean, that was my favorite part about it, you know. And you got to meet politicians and all kinds of people. You know, it's great fun. Well, and it seems that the way you, maybe one of the ways you also kept in touch with the regular person was that you continued. How do you do 100 nights a year of sand-up while you're doing the show? Well, again, that's my, you know, I got a call from Jamie Dimon, you know, Chase.

29:31he wanted me to come in and discuss my financial the way I did. I told him, I'm dyslexic. I work and my money relaxes. That's my attitude. And even as a kid, I always had two jobs. And I said, I always want to live on the money I make as a comedian. Because TV, sometimes it lasts 13 weeks. I was lucky it lasted 22 years. But it could have fallen at any point. So I would live on the money I made as a comedian, and I would act like I was. If I didn't work that week, no matter what I made, I would just act like I was broke. So I always worked Friday, Saturday, Sunday, somewhere. And that worked out good.

30:11So when the title finally ended, you know, it was just a smooth transition. Oh, you lost a table at Spago. I never had a table at Spago. So, I mean, it was always easier there. Your first show was May 25th, 92. fourth person to host after Alan, Parr, and Carson. What were the, you know, each of these guys, I'm sure you could deconstruct it better than anyone, have their own things that made them their own strengths and weaknesses. Steve Allen was the first guy to get, I guess you call now a woke, a joke pulled because it was woke. Okay. It's not an appropriate joke. The joke is he's opening a house, a shelter for women called Tampora House.

31:02It's for lightly battered women. That was, yeah. I just said it was inappropriate. And that joke got edited out of the monologue, you know. It just, yeah, I just remember that. Like, what was that? I remember watching the show. In those days, the edits were like, you know, what happened there? And I always wanted to know what he said. Okay, so that's Alan. How about Parr? When you think of Parr, what comes to mind? Well, I like Jack Parr. You know, I like Jack Parr. I like Carson. I like them all because I like regular people. Comics look like regular people that are funny. Milton, not a Milton Berle guy with the hit in the pie and all that kind of stuff.

31:44That wasn't my type of thing. I just like Bob Newhart. You know, Bob Newhart was always my favorite because he had just the lightest touch. You know, my favorite Bob Newhart story was he did a bit about the first astronaut to have contact, extra-stressual contact. So he comes down. He's doing an interview with people. One of the reporters says, how far ahead of us are these aliens? And Bob says, about six weeks, which is the funniest number. Because two weeks is too close. Six months is too close. But to be six weeks, they're just six weeks ahead of us. You can never catch up to six weeks. And I just love the construction of that joke.

32:40I remember seeing him do it. I thought, it's just like a slider ball. just right in there, right inside. Yeah, very funny. I always liked him. So as we say, you began at the Tonight Show mid-92. Mid-93, Letterman starts at CBS. Well, here's the thing. When I started, the Olympics were going on, so we were live. Live, live. And I'm dyslexic, so I had to memorize everything, the entire monologue each night, because there was no cue cards. That's rough. But it was okay. We got through it. It was fine. Well, so that, you know, again, you start mid-92. He starts mid-93. You had a few years early on where he was a little ahead in the ratings, and then pretty much ever after that, you were always number one.

33:32And I wonder, what do you remember being a turning point? Was it Hugh Grant? Well, they always say Hugh Grant was a turning point. But, I mean, you know, I had been doing this show in Johnny's studio, where you stood here, and Johnny's audience went straight up. It was almost like Broadway theater seating. It was straight up, which was hard for me to relate to. So when we went and did a week of shows in New York, I said, can we try something? Can we just make it like a nightclub? Have the people right there. If people want to grab my pants or just something, you know, touch me, I can do it without having it.

34:09and that really made the show just coalesce. Is that the word? I don't know. You know, it just made it really easy. I could talk to people. You could see the person I was talking to when I reacted to it, the audience, and see what that person did. And that made it a bit more intimate. That's where Letterman and I was different. I mean, Letterman would joke about, I remember when he had a thing about somebody wanted to shake his hand. So they come out with a big wall and it's got a rubber glove in it and Dave puts his hand through his rubber glove And Dave shakes the guy's hand with a rubber glove.

34:40Very funny. But the exact opposite of what I do. I'm slobbering over people. I like people. But that, I mean, I think you've boiled it down to an important point. Because something like jaywalking, which people fell in love with, you'd be the person out on the street. I forget who it was, but he'd have somebody else go down and do the man on the street. Daywalking was my favorite. My favorite question, how was Mount Rushmore formed? The common answer, erosion. The number of people that said erosion, like wind and rain, didn't just pick four presidents, it picked four of our greatest presidents.

35:25It's not like Polk or Benjamin Harris was in there. You know, it's just, you know, that was always, that was fun. And I always liked that personal connection. And we always tried to be a little gentle with people. You never wanted to be too harsh. What's the ratio of idiotic comments to intelligent ones that you would get when you were out? Like, we see the, I'm sure like everything it's edited down, but like, are most people a little idiotic? Well, I think, you know, I think you have to do a few intelligent jokes, but then you need silly jokes. No, I mean the comments you would get. You're doing jaywalking.

36:01we see these comments like erosion. How much did you have to comb through the... Oh, no, not at all. That's what I'm worried about. We'd probably talk to 19 people a night, and we'd use 15 of them. Everybody had one something. Now we know how we got here. Oh, yeah, that was my favorite thing. The other thing is, I think when I once interviewed you about nine years ago for the same podcast, and I asked you, what was your favorite part of this, of doing The Tonight Show? And I think you said the monologue. Right. And you would even, after a show, do half of the next day's monologue to get ahead of it.

36:46I would imagine then, I don't know if you disliked this other part, but it was obviously less liked than the monologue, is your interactions with the celebrities who are often there promoting something. There are only 18 celebrities in the world that mean anything rating-wise. I mean, that's what it is. So we realized people like jokes, so the monologue went from five or six minutes to 12 to 14 minutes. And we seemed to hold on to the crowd a little bit more. And that seemed to help, and then people would turn... Because most people... Schwarzenegger, Tom Cruise, you know, Julia Roberts. But a lot of times somebody's the third guest on some sitcom or something.

37:27It's not that big a deal. You're doing it every single night. Well, that's what I'm wondering. Is it hard to feign interest or even pretend you've read the book or whatever? Here's me feigning interest. And I feel sorry for this book. Remember that show The Bachelor? Yeah. Okay, so this girl Tricia wins. Okay. Now, I couldn't be less interested in the show. I'd never seen a show. So I'm talking to her, and she's like sitting where you are. So I'm looking at this side of her face. We're talking, we're talking. Well, thanks for coming on. Show ends. We go out to the parking lot. Three girls standing there.

38:06Can we get a picture? Sure. I say, where are you from? She goes, what? Where are you from? I'm Tricia. I was just on the show. Hey! Hey! Yes! Good to see you. Yes, of course. I was so disinterested. I didn't even, yeah, yeah. Because I'm looking at the side of her head, and I didn't really see the front of her. That's hilarious. That's stupid, yeah. So one thing that I guess was interesting, when you look at the ratings and the demos from, you know, the 90s and into the 2000s versus now. Right. You always played very well in middle America. Well, you know, it's the time you live in. Okay. You know, everybody that's doing these shows is very good.

38:56Colbert, Kimmel, Conan, they're all good. But to me, the thing that's killed late night, you know, if I see Jake from State Farm again, I'm going to shoot myself in the head. Because you really, you can watch a podcast where Harrison talks for an hour with no interruptions, or I can watch a monologue, then it's six minutes of commercial, and then five minutes with Harrison Ford, and then another commercial. And, you know, that's what's really killed late night. You could switch over to streaming without commercials and watch any show you want. Well, and it seems like a lot of the shows, the late night shows, are now, because they know, I guess, it's a chicken-egg thing, but I guess if people are consuming things on YouTube or whatever, in some ways it feels like maybe starting with your successor, Fallon, or, you know, Corden or whoever, they're making stuff to be consumed in bits.

39:52Right, but there's no appointment television anymore. The only appointment television now is sports. The Super Bowl is this day. Everybody in America watches it at the exact same time. With late night, you can tape the monologue, watch it in the morning, cut out the commercials, which, you know, lose the sponsors and, you know, all that kind of stuff. Do you watch, you still watch late night? No, not really. not really um only because i i just can't stand the i i like i you know i'll watch the monologues i'll listen to the jokes but yeah and are you watching it at 11 30 or are you watching it on youtube yeah a little bit of both what it is yeah yeah i guess another thing that that's certainly different about late night today than it was then is and all of our lives now it's just politics has kind of become omnipresent for better or worse it's just the reality and obviously Trump was a celebrity in your era and I think he may have been on your show but it wasn't something that politics whoever was the president it wasn't every night this is the thing you've express some feelings that that's not a great thing.

41:07Well, the trouble is, the fun thing about doing politics is you exaggerate it, oh, and that's the big laugh, you know. When, with Trump, okay, he's sleeping with a stripper, Stormy Daniels, where do I go with that? I mean, where do you take, you know, that's like he's with a stripper like Stormy Daniels. Oh, well, no, that's the reality of it. You know, so you can't, you know. And, you know, when you don't like someone, it's harder to make fun of them. You know, with George Bush, I could always go, you know, I don't think President Bush quite understands. And people would smile and know that you're going to give him a little jab.

41:46Now it just, yeah, people are so invested in this. Yeah, I mean, it's very tricky. People think, oh, it must be great. Don't you wish you were doing it now? No, because I'm not a Trump fan. I don't like him. And I don't know if I'm going to say stuff. It's going to be meaner than it is funny, you know. When, I guess it was several years ahead of 2009 when, you know, when it was first discussed that your run would be coming to an end in 2009. Can you just take us, I mean, there's everybody, it's like one of these, like, games of telephone, I think, where it's like everybody's got a version of what happened.

42:22Oh, yeah. Why did you go off in 09 and how did you end up coming back? Well, that was NBC trying to have its cake in YouTube. Okay, they came to me in 2005 and said, Korn wants you out. He had the big agent, Movitz, all those guys. And I said, well, I got to pay or play contract. Okay, you're here for five years, but you have to announce, like, this week that you're leaving in five years. All right, fine. If people don't want me around, I'll go. You were still number one. Yeah, still number one. Well, that was my favorite part. I had a meeting with NBC. and I said, you know, we've been number one for almost 16 years and one of the guys in NBC said, we want what's above number one and I said, okay, what I said, what is that and I said, guys you want me out, I'm out, okay but see, what happened was then Craig Ferguson came along and he got a Peabody and I think a couple of Emmys and he became the hot guy And then suddenly it was like I get a call from Zucker.

43:27Oh, I think we made a mistake. I didn't make a mistake. What do you want me to do? They said, well, you want to come back? I said, well, I don't know. What is your plan? He goes, you do a half hour, and then Conan does the second half hour. I said, well, that seems like a dumb plan. But, I mean, if Conan goes for it, I'll go for it. Well, they called Conan, and that's when he wrote his big thing, you know, and I'm leaving. Okay. And somehow I became a bad guy. But that's all right. You know, I didn't have a PR machine. I never really dealt with it a whole lot. I don't think you had an agent or a manager.

43:59No, I have an agent or a manager. I just like dealing with things myself. It's just easier. And, yeah, that's what happened. I mean, NBC thought they could have both. And they did for a while. Did it leave a – did it affect your feelings toward NBC? I mean, you've been there a long time. No, this is, you know, you don't fall in love with a hooker, okay? Well, no, I mean, that's what show business is. This is why show business pays a lot of money, because when you get screwed, you're going to have a little something to put in the bank, okay? You know, policemen, nurses, firemen, they get screwed every day on jobs and whatnot, and they don't get anything.

44:43So when you're in show business, there's always, there's money there, which is like, oh, okay, well, that kind of softens a blow. I was so hurt. Really? You think any of those stars would give you a lift to the airport? No. No. I mean, these are not your friends. I mean, they're your friends, but they're acquaintances. And I never, I always had the same friends I had in high school. And we'd laugh about stuff. And I would introduce them. Oh, here's George Clooney, whatever. And I enjoy it. And they were always nice to me. I always got along with everybody. But I never assumed I was the in guy or whatever you want to call it.

45:20So when, for the second and final time, when it was truly departing the Tonight Show and Fallon was coming in, did you have any words of wisdom for him? Yeah, yeah, we talked a lot. And, you know, look, everybody has their own thing to do. My favorite thing on our last show, when we started the show, we hired mostly people who had never done it before. And most of them were single. and the only people they met were other people that worked on the show. So when we graduated, we had 64 children born on The Tonight Show, and we brought them all out. Some were like 21, and some were six months old.

46:06But we brought them all out on the final show, you know, to wave. And, you know, it really brought a tear to my eye. Okay, we kind of did something here. You know, we created a family of people, you know. But they all interacted. They were pregnant, had kids, you know. all this little microcosm, like we're on another planet, you know, and you take the colony and, you know. So that was one of my favorite things on the last show. I really enjoyed that. That's great. Just to go back for a second, though, I'd be curious. Can you share a little of what you told Fallon? Like, what were your takeaways from 23 years?

46:39Well, first of all, he'd been doing it. I'm not so, to me, your son, let me tell you. You know, he was on Saturday Night Live. He knew the score. Hadn't you auditioned at one point for Saturday Night Live? I did, but I didn't get it. That was pre-coming to L.A.? That was 74. So what year did you come to L.A.? I came to L.A. about 71. I started in 69. Doing stand-up anywhere. Yeah, yeah. That's amazing. That's a long time ago. But so you were out here already when you auditioned for SNL? Well, you see, I was going back and forth. Okay. So there's an SNL on it. So you try to get a gig in New York somewhere and you've got to go and audition.

47:21Yeah, so that's what it was. And you wanted to be a cast member, not a writer, right? No, I didn't want to be a writer. I didn't even want to be. I didn't know what I wanted. Look, the look of a comedian. My favorite one, I go to this audition. This agent sends me. I walk in. I notice everybody in the office is about, everybody's sitting in the waiting room. It's about 5 '2", 5 '5", with black glasses. I go, what? So I sit there all day, I'm the last guy. Then the casting director comes out, he goes, I go, what? You really think you look like Woody Allen? I go, no, I didn't even know I was supposed to look like Woody Allen.

48:08He goes, that's what this audition is. See, the agent just sent me out, but I was there from 9 o 'clock in the morning till 4 o 'clock. Like I sat in those stupid woods. And the guy goes, you think you look like Woody Allen?

48:18Jay Leno:I go, no, I don't look like Woody Allen. It's just very funny. Yeah, that's what I'm saying. But you know, you got to have a sense of humor about it. That's what's the fun part of it. You can't be heartbroken like it. You don't fall in love with a hooker. I repeat it again. It's the same thing, you know? You want to have fun? Well, that's one thing, I guess. But, you know, it's not going to work out, you know? Well, so it's now been in the years since you, you'd already been doing Jay Leno's Garage on YouTube before you left the Tay Show. Yeah, I started that in 2005. And that came about because you've always been a car guy.

48:56I read, I don't know if these are the most recent numbers, 160 cars, 130 motorcycles? Well, no, that's old numbers. Those are old numbers. What are we up to now? I got 216 cars. You know, it's cheaper than cocaine and hookers. Look at Charlie Sheen. Exactly. You know, I got all these cars and one woman. It's so much cheaper in the long run. It really is. But so that's something that's always given you a lot of pleasure. You've continued to, obviously, after The Tonight Show, you had many Emmy nominations for your show when it went from YouTube to CNBC. Right, right. You know, and I know you've got friends and family and all that.

49:38but is there any part of you that misses doing a nightly late-night show? Well, I like it. At some point, I shouldn't have to know all of Jay-Z's music. I mean, when you're 35 or 40 and you're talking to the sexy actress, ooh, it's sexy. When you're 65, you're the creepy old guy. I mean, that's what it comes off. You're leering. You can't be flirtatious. You know, you're older than her dad, you know. So, yeah, when they give you the nod, just step aside. Thank you. Do you ever envy the guys who get to do cable, you know, John Oliver, Bill Maher? They can say anything. They can show anything. They can do...

50:23No, you know something? I don't want to say anything. To me, you know something? There's a thing out of Utah called dry bar comedy. And it's Utah. And it's squeaky clean. but it's real jokes. Nobody's using obscenities. The punchline isn't shit or fuck or something like that. It's real jokes. And I enjoy watching it because, you know, there's a certain discipline you have to have. The idea, to me, comedy is always coming right up to the line and not crossing it. And that's always the most entertaining to me because a lot of times I see comedians win the battle and lose the war because, oh, well, we liked him.

51:05He was funny, but, oh, so dirty. My mother was furious. You know what I'm saying? So the idea is to try and keep it, you know, right on, right at a, just a hair below a rolling boil. With the last minute, let's say, can we do just sort of potpourri rapid fire? Potpourri. Isn't that the stuff that comes in the, you know? Just a random assortment of good stuff here. Were you ever approached about hosting the Oscars? Yes, many times. And what were your considerations? Well, my consider was, I write jokes every night. Do I save my best jokes for Oscar night? Or do I do my best jokes now? And people just saw me do four monologues, or five monologues.

51:53Then Sunday comes in the Oscars. They really want to see the same guy. It just seemed it didn't make sense to me. And I mean, it wasn't a positive experience for Letterman. No, David didn't like it at all. And that was kind of, I didn't say I thought that would happen, but Dave's always been very funny. But, yeah, that's what it is because people just see you, you know, when you see Billy Crystal, God bless him, he works like a dog. He gets these bits. He works with dancers and so on. So it's months of work to do that seven or eight minute opening monologue. And no matter what you do, people give you credit.

52:29That's right. And he's great at it. So come out and just talk, do the same monologue. Talk about the same, it's just another version of a joke you did the other night. You know, so that's why I never did it. Same reason I never did commercials. I'm on TV every night. You really want to see me in between TV too? Do you watch the TV show Hacks? Which one? Hacks. With Gene Smart as a... Oh, Hacks. I thought you said Axe. No, no, no, Hacks. Yeah, that's very good. Yeah? Yeah, that's a very good show. For somebody who's not a stand-up, I think she's pretty... No, she does a good... Well, it's funny when I see actors.

53:08You know, actors always care what they look like. Comedians don't. I mean... You think Rodney Dangerfield ever looked in a mirror before he walked down the stage? No, no. But that's the difference. So what I would see, actors play comedians. I never brought... And I love Dustin Hoffman, but I never bought him as Lenny Bruce. Right, right. Because I always got the feeling, as an actor, he's watching himself on stage. As a comedian, you're just listening to him. You just want to get the laughs. Which of the many, there's now, I think probably close to as many late-night hosts as there's ever been, given the number of platforms and things out there, which of the current people today most reminds you of yourself?

53:51I understand there's no...

53:52Jay Leno:Most reminds you of myself? Yeah, your style, your approach, whatever. Well, no, that's like one of those questions. Leno went after so-and-so. Well, no, it's a positive. No, there is no positive. No. Whenever you comment on this, it's always, you know, I never, I'll give you an example. I did a thing at the Reagan Library. They're doing a thing on the humor of Ronald Reagan. And I had dinner with him a couple of times. Actually, he had the best line. He said to me, Jay, were you a good student, Jay? I said, no, Mr. President, I was dyslexic. He goes, me too. And, you know, I keep thinking how much further I could have gone if I just applied myself.

54:32I thought that was the greatest joke. That's good. You know, so anyway. So then the last question the guy asked me is, how did you and Johnny handle politics? I said, in our day, we made fun of both sides. That's what we did. That's all I said. The next week, Colbert gets fired. and there's a picture of me like this. Leno tells Colbert, you're doing it wrong. And then I get everybody writing me, hey, screw you. No, I never said that, but somebody watched this Reagan thing. It was missed. I said, yeah, that's what happens, you know. Well, okay, then this next. That's when he asked me to pick somebody, you know, Leno picks so-and-so over, you know.

55:16Well, I won't, I do, there's something not totally unrelated to what you were just talking about that I want to do next, which is, it is kind of unprecedented in the history of late night, what has happened in the last year or so with Colbert and Kimmel being kind of targeted. What are your thoughts on the fact that that has happened in the sense? Well, I think if there's a positive aspect to it, it's the fact that previous elections, Gore and Bush, 38 % of the country voted. I remember reading headlines, is voting over? Nobody cares anymore? Okay, now regardless of what you think of Trump or Biden, was it 82 %?

55:59Almost the entire country. So, okay, okay, we got people back in the democratic process. I mean, I think that's pretty good. It didn't work out the way I wanted it to, but at least it was democracy. Okay, he won France, it's okay, it's not my thing, it wouldn't have been my choice, but okay. And hopefully it goes the other way this time around. But, yeah, so... But the fact that a late-night host could be pulled from the air or lose a job entirely? That is not new. I mean, Jackie Mason got fired from Ed Sullivan's show. Remember, Jack Parr said, I was in the water closet, and because we referred to the toilet, he walked off the show, they were going to fire him.

56:44I mean, so this is not new. I mean, I think the time we live in is pretty good. You know, when I was a kid, in the Boston Globe, a woman was never raped. She was accosted. So you never got the sense of how brutal a crime was, you know. There were no child molesters when I was a kid. I go, what? What do you mean, don't take candy from the street? Why not? What's wrong with candy? Okay. Now kids know not to do that. You know, I go home and I put Megan's List on. Oh, my God, it's surrounded by pedophiles, you know. But, I mean, so, you know, it really happened with, what was the guy's name? he was the Rodney King beating.

57:23You remember this? Yeah. George Holiday. From his roof, he filmed Rodney King getting beaten by the police. He took that film to the studio, to a television studio, and they said, this is really inflammatory. We can't show this. So when you watch news, there was some phony story about seven black men in a car were going 150 miles an hour in a Hyundai, which is impossible. Okay. But, I mean, that's what it was, okay? And then George Holliday released his video on the new Internet, and people saw what happened. So we live in a time now where you're getting your news unfiltered as it happens. You might not like it, but at least it's not a lie.

58:05You know what I'm saying? So to me, I look at that as a positive. Last question. I'll bring it all back to Burbank. All right. If and when you ever happened to drive by what used to be NBC Studios, I think it's now called the Burbank Studios, what goes through your mind? Well, there's a very funny picture. The Inquirer had me, at some point in my career, I was standing next to a fence, and they said, Lenno looks longingly at his old office. And they have like a tear in my eye, you know, like... Yeah, it's like, again, don't fall in love with a hooker. Thank you very much. I mean, it's the same thing.

58:48No, but it's the same thing. When I go back to NBC, not only do I not know anybody, none of the positions exist. It's a totally different business. I mean, yeah. I remember Fred DeCordova used to go to the Acapulco across the street. They would have drinks in the middle of the day. You know, stuff that you can't do now. But, yeah, there's nothing remains of it. You just have to go, it was nice while it lasted. I certainly enjoyed it. I had a good time. We had 64 children born. That was the greatest thing. I still see all those kids, and they tell me stories about, you know, their parents were doing it in the closet.

59:27But, yeah, but it was just, I enjoyed that part of it. I enjoyed all the interactions of all the people that I worked with. And I still keep in touch with a lot of them, so it's fun. Well, thank you for this, Jay. And now we are going to have, I believe, a very special presentation to you of a proclamation.

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