Parker Posey - 'The White Lotus'

22 Aug 2025 · 1 h 8 min · 26 chapters

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Hollywood Reporter Awards Chatter episode featuring Parker Posey discussing her career arc from 1990s independent film “indie boom” to mainstream studio/TV, and her role as Victoria Ratliff in HBO’s The White Lotus (season 3, 2025). She also talks about acting as performance, writing-driven character work, and the cultural co-opting of indie movements.

Guest backgrounds

Parker Posey is an actress known for Dazed and Confused (1993), Party Girl (1995), Kicking and Screaming (1995), The House of Yes (1997), and Christopher Guest’s films (Waiting for Guffman, Best in Show, A Mighty Wind, For Your Consideration, Mascots). She’s also appeared in Louie (2012), The Staircase (2022), and many TV roles. She grew up in a storytelling, entertaining family; she studied dance early, then attended SUNY Purchase, leaving before graduation for acting work.

Key claims

Indie fame (“Queen of the Indies”) didn’t translate to studio viability because her salary/market value was “peanuts.” She prefers strong writing and playwright-like pacing; TV/streaming is “a bigger machine” than indie film. She found The White Lotus part without audition and built Victoria using references like “Big Edie” from Grey Gardens.

Notable examples

Her Darla in Dazed and Confused; the “wipe that face off your head” Brecht-derived line; Party Girl’s small, intimate production; Christopher Guest’s “unscripted”/improv method; The White Lotus: self-medicating Southern mother on vacation in Thailand with financier husband and three kids.

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Parker Posey's Career and Influences

1:44 to 3:20

Discussion on Posey's connection to independent films and her career evolution.

“In 2002, just as the indie film boom from which she emerged began to wane, film comment declared, more than anyone else, Parker Posey embodied independent film itself.”

Parker's Southern Roots and Family Background

3:20 to 4:26

Posey shares stories about her Southern upbringing and family history.

“And so without further ado, let's go to that conversation.”

Early Aspirations and the Shift to Acting

4:26 to 6:00

Posey reflects on her initial dance aspirations and her transition to acting.

“I haven't done a Finding Your Roots with Dr.”

Acting Education and Opportunities

6:00 to 7:40

Discussion about Posey's education in acting and her early career opportunities.

“And that was like a father figure for my dad.”

Breakthrough Role in Dazed and Confused

7:40 to 10:00

Posey recalls landing her role in the film Dazed and Confused and its impact.

“And, you know, there was a way to be around people and entertain people and make something out of nothing.”

Insights into Character Development

10:00 to 14:00

Posey discusses her approach to character development and memorable roles.

“But I knew beforehand, but it always kind of embarrassed me.”

The Role of Darla: Playing the Bad Girl

14:00 to 16:46

Parker Posey discusses her character Darla from 'The White Lotus' and the inspiration behind her portrayal.

“really liked darla the bad girl because bad girls are always so much fun to play is that right okay And so then there's a line that people really like, wipe that face off your head, bitch.”

Reviving Nighttime Soaps

16:46 to 18:09

Parker shares her thoughts on the appeal of nighttime soaps and the current landscape of television.

“And the kind of directing of camera and music and the success of the show has gotten me like, you know, what can I do?”

The Indie Film Boom of the 90s

18:09 to 19:24

Posey reflects on her experience during the indie film boom of the 1990s and its evolution.

“So I'm like, oh, I hope I can produce something because that's what you're expected to do now.”

Navigating the Early Career

19:24 to 22:11

Parker discusses her journey breaking into the scene and her ambitions at the beginning of her career.

“that type of movie has become, it's an endangered species.”
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Influences and Aspirations

22:11 to 24:09

Posey talks about her inspirations and the type of roles she aspired to early in her career.

“It's got it's kind of like the screwball comedies of the 40s.”

Support from Nora Ephron

24:09 to 28:00

Recalling her interaction with Nora Ephron and the support she received early in her career.

“I knew what I was going to do with my life and I knew what I, what I wasn't, you know, inside, like I needed to act or perform at like such a young age as a story, as a story person, right?”

Struggles in Early Career

28:00 to 29:10

Parker Posey shares anecdotes about financial difficulties and early roles.

“And it had nothing to do with my performance.”

Working with First-Time Directors

29:10 to 30:50

Posey discusses working with new directors and the impact on her career.

“Can you just, do you remember, first of all, I think it's your first leading role in a film, right?”

The Legacy of Party Girl

30:50 to 34:30

Posey reflects on her role in 'Party Girl' and its lasting significance.

“She went to school with, at Columbia Film School with Greg Mottola.”

Independent Spirit and Career Choices

34:30 to 36:43

The conversation dives into the independent film scene and Posey's career decisions.

“I am an artist, which I think means the experience of my life has meaning other than just the movies.”

Collaborative Spirit in Christopher Guest Films

36:43 to 38:10

Posey discusses her experiences and friendships in Christopher Guest's films.

“So there's a concept and a little paragraph that's given, like Meg and Hamilton Swan are going to a therapist.”

The Craft of Acting

38:10 to 39:55

Posey shares insights into her acting process and the dynamics of improvisation.

“And did you, how quickly did you kind of acclimate to the way that, the way that he works where, I don't know how much improv you'd been able to do before that.”

Exploring The House of Yes

39:55 to 42:05

Posey discusses her role in 'The House of Yes' and its unique themes.

“And then you, it's more focused about on the other person.”

Exploring Eccentric Characters in Film

42:05 to 45:08

Discussion on the complexities of characters in plays and films, focusing on mental illness and eccentricity.

“and has some, I guess, not spelled out what it is mental illness, but part of her issue is she's attracted to her brother.”

The Indie Queen Experience

45:08 to 47:55

Parker Posey reflects on her journey through indie films and the perception of her career as the 'Indie Queen'.

“Some people might assume that that was like a great, cool thing in your career.”

Navigating Hollywood's Gender Disparity

47:55 to 52:53

Posey discusses the challenges women face in Hollywood and her own career struggles with visibility and roles.

“And people, I guess, like you have, it's not like you never prior to, you know, the ones that you mentioned, Scream 3 or Blade Trinity.”

Transitioning to Roles in 'The White Lotus'

52:53 to 56:00

Parker Posey talks about her role in 'The White Lotus' and collaboration with director Mike White.

“You come to an age and you're just like, oh, like, no, it's not supposed to be easy.”

Developing a Character in 'The White Lotus'

56:00 to 1:02:30

Explore how Parker Posey developed her character and the influences behind it.

“And I guess he saw, you know, Staircase and the wheels started turning.”

Reflections on Fame and Cultural Impact

1:02:30 to 1:06:08

Parker Posey reflects on the cultural impact of her role and audience engagement.

“And so it was that that was a real gift.”

Future Opportunities and Projects

1:06:08 to 1:06:56

Discussing future projects and the excitement of new opportunities.

“I've heard about one thing with the Martin McDonough film that's Wild Horse Nine, where it's you and Sam Rockwell.”
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0:38Parker Posey:Hi everyone and thank you for tuning in to the 599th episode of the Hollywood Reporter's Awards Chatter Podcast. I'm the host Scott Feinberg and my guest today is one of the most impressive actresses of her generation. Shining in films like 1993's Dazed and Confused, 1995's Party Girl and Kicking and Screaming, 1996's The Day Trippers, 1997's The House of Yes, and a quartet of films from Christopher Guest, 1996's Waiting for Guffman, 2000's Best in Show, 2003's A Mighty Wind, 2006's For Your Consideration, and 2016's Mascots, as well as TV programs, including Louie in 2012, 2022's The Staircase, and most recently, in 2025, the third season of Mike White's HBO drama series The White Lotus, on which she played Victoria Ratliff, a wealthy, self-medicating southern woman on vacation in Thailand with her financier husband and their three kids, and for which she is currently nominated for the Best Supporting Actress in a Drama Series Emmy Award, the great Parker Posey.

1:43Parker Posey:Often likened to Katherine Hepburn in the sense that she is totally unlike anyone else, seems totally comfortable in her own skin, and moves seamlessly between comedy and drama, Posey has been described by the San Francisco Chronicle in 1997 as the first actress to emerge as a household name on the basis of independent films, by Time Magazine also in 1997 as the queen of the indies, and by The New Yorker in 2012 as the greatest character actress of the last few decades. In 2002, just as the indie film boom from which she emerged began to wane, film comment declared, more than anyone else, Parker Posey embodied independent film itself.

2:25Parker Posey:In 2002, just as the indie film boom from which she emerged began to wane, Film Comment declared, More than anyone else, Parker Posey embodied independent film itself. Posey was ultimately a stand-in for the indie filmmakers who conjured her, and in so doing flattered themselves. Directors who imagined that they, like Posey, were creatures of the demimonde, just waiting for the world to understand their inordinate fabulousness. Close quote. Over the course of a conversation at the Chateau Marmont in Los Angeles, the 56-year-old and I discussed how she came to be so associated with independent films, and the personal and professional rewards and challenges that she experienced as a result, what it was like for her after the indie boom when she began dabbling in studio films and television, how it felt with the White Lotus to finally find herself at the center of a project that found itself at the center of the cultural conversation, plus much more.

3:20Parker Posey:And so without further ado, let's go to that conversation.

3:31Parker Posey:All right, Parker, thank you so much for joining us on Hollywood Reporters Podcast. Really a treat to have you. And on this one, we do always start truly at the beginning. So if there's anybody out there who hears a hint of a Southern accent or whatever, but doesn't know, can you just share specifically where you're from and what your folks did for a living? I think the, I described myself on my dad's side as a Southern Catholic from, I had, his mom was Belgian. And it was the first, I don't know if I'm getting this right, but it was one of the biggest Catholic churches to come from Belgium. Wow.

4:13So her name was Nottis Bandicoven. And I have this great picture of my Aunt Peggy as a little first grader kindergartner. She's in like the whole regalia of the nuns. And there was a Monsignor in the family. I haven't done a Finding Your Roots with Dr. Gates yet. Yes. Because I'm like, I've heard so many stories and I don't know. Sometimes you don't want to know.

4:36Parker Posey:Yeah. Well, I've just heard so many stories and then I'm in so many stories. And, you know, I wrote a book and I like to wrap my head around things and I like to take my time to do it. So when I when I want to I'm looking forward to, you know, looking at all that. And then my mom, the patent side is my my my her my mom's grandmother, Josephine, was like one of nine daughters who they all went to college. But she married beneath her. She married a cowboy, a ranch hand. she was in Texas and they were dairy farmers so they survived the Dust Bowl days. My dad's grandparents, great-great-grandmother, I think she was Indian and there's a story about being around during the Trail of Tears and when they would take, if you died and they couldn't afford to bury you.

5:41I think you were taken on the bottom of a bus or something to travel from. Wow. You know that. There's moonshine and all that color. Am I lefty for Zell? Is he in my family? I heard that too. My grandfather, Papa, he invented a name to he was a really good basketball player and he was really tall and in the summers to make money he invented another name he was like that was German named Hans or something so he could play money he could earn money playing basketball wow and so Nautis Van Bechhoven had a brother Truman in Van Beekhoven. And that was like a father figure for my dad. And he never, he didn't graduate from high school.

6:37And he was a car dealer and he sold Cadillacs. And he was really funny. And he would go into like the club and he would just like pound his hand on the

6:51Parker Posey:table and say, ketchup, ketchup. And everyone just laughed. You know what I mean? Like he was, and he died on the golf course, um, after a joke and he sat down in the golf cart and laughed and, and that's how he crossed over to the other side. So there's lots of stories. Would you, uh, I guess, do you believe that given how many of these folks in your, uh, lineage were characters or performers of some kind do you think it's uh it was always bound that you were gonna go down this path I know originally it was you were you were I think pursuing dance right so but do you think it was always meant to be acting yeah I mean yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah I mean I just come from an entertaining family my parents were like through.

7:45Did anyone act in your family? I was like, yeah, my parents. And, you know, there was a way to be around people and entertain people and make something out of nothing. And don't just tell us what you did. Tell a story about it and make it funny, make it entertaining. You know, my dad would take my mom to the grocery store and make up stories about the people who went in and out of the parking lot.

8:10Parker Posey:In fact, I think you said that was like their date, their first date or No, it wasn't the first day, but this is just kind of how they looked at life and how they looked at people. And so they observed things and people and funny things and they met kind of the reality in a certain way. And you're just reminding me, I was in the New York Times piece, magazine piece that Koganada described me as a performance artist. artist and I think that I mean I have I have friends who are performance artists but there is something in the way that I was raised in the way of my parents and their the lens that they had and then their absence you know there's a lot of like the kids will be seen and not heard and like oh I'm just gonna walk around the neighborhood and and visit people and sit on couches and listen into stories.

9:05And, you know, I got to do that in Monroe, Louisiana. And I had a really wonderful ballet teacher named Linda Lavender, who just passed away this past year. That was kind of the first. I would tap dance in front of her, but I wouldn't. I was looking straight at her and dancing for her. And she kept laughing. And then she wanted me to look in the mirror. I remember that. And then I remember her, you know, my mom, her telling my mom that your daughter has charisma. And so by the time I was 12, I was in a little company in Monroe, Louisiana. And I was I got on point and there was a teacher from Turkey named Tanju Tuzer.

9:46Parker Posey:All these alliterative names. And it was like he was like, she's got something. And then I auditioned for North Carolina School of Arts and I didn't get into that program. And I was heartbroken. And my dad called the dean of the school and he said, tell me what to tell my daughter. And she's going to be so sad. And he said, tell her she's an actress. And that's kind of it. But I knew beforehand, but it always kind of embarrassed me. And I'm still a little embarrassed. I don't know. It's just kind of embarrassing. How did your parents feel when he was told that you were an actress? And then when you, I guess, acted upon that by going off to SUNY Purchase, was that that That was with the intent of pursuing it.

10:28I was so lucky that, you know, my dad would like, he read a lot. You know, he was a William Faulkner fan. He loved Flannery O 'Connor and Edora Welty and he loved the South. And he wrote a little himself. And he loved to bring words to life. He loved to read things out loud. And, yeah. So I auditioned for three schools and I got into SUNY Purchase. so they supported me and that was that was really great and that was great the other thing I guess

11:01Parker Posey:the upside of being near the city is that there's at that time at least there was quite a bit of not just obviously theater but still screen acting opportunities right now I guess it's really kind of dwindled since 9-11 or whatever but can you explain why it was that you left soon you purchase a little early because I think people will this is just one of those kind of like things where life could have been so different if one thing was a little different right like how did you end up working for the first time I got a call from an agent that I was working with freelance I got a little part in an HBO show called first love fatal love where I had 10 lines And then my senior year, there was an audition for a soap opera character named Tess Shelby.

11:57And she had to be a certain height because Andy Cavo was like five foot five.

12:03Parker Posey:This is as the world turned. And yeah, so I went in on a Monday and the work would start on Wednesday. And it was April Fool's. And that was always a big day for my dad, too, and our family. because that was the day he got his car dealership. And so you get the job, which means leaving school a little before graduation. April, yeah. I left. I didn't graduate. But I also didn't like, I didn't want to take the electives where I wouldn't learn anything. So I went to Georgetown for a summer and took like a problem of God class and a philosophy class and an acting class because that was easy to get my credits.

12:43Parker Posey:But then you're in it. Yeah. And I guess it was only for a handful of months right before the other big early break, I guess we could say, Dazed and Confused comes along. Is that right? That's right. I was on the soap. I was doing As the World Turns. And we'd hang out in the green room and use the phone. No one had cell phones back then. We all walk around in these robes over a wardrobe. I had like three robes over my wardrobe because the studios are so cold. I think I was even smoking, you know, I was like, I think I could like. And I got this call to meet Rick Linklater. And already I was such a fan of Slacker and independent movies.

13:32You know, Hal Hartley went to SUNY Purchase. When we were in college, we were already, you know, watching film. And I made, you know, short films with the film students. and yeah film really had such a presence back then i meet rick i meet uh don phillips and like well how can i do these two jobs at once okay well i have to do i have to play a smaller part i really liked um i'm a risa rebese's character cynthia i like cynthia but i also really liked darla the bad girl because bad girls are always so much fun to play is that right okay And so then there's a line that people really like, wipe that face off your head, bitch.

14:19And that was taken from Bertolt Brecht. It was a translation from Bertolt Brecht play. I was like, can I say that? I always thought that was funny. He was like, sure, say whatever you want.

14:32Parker Posey:So you were injecting, I mean, first we should remind folks, anyone who needs a reminder, Darla is this kind of sadistic upper class woman cheerleader, right? No, she's not really upper class. The back story is that she, there's a hazing tradition in some schools in America. And it was happening in the 70s. Yeah. Where as an initiation, seniors would torment freshmen who were coming up. Yeah. And it was like a way to like bond and to show them like the dynamics here. And, you know, so Darla, I mean, this is her night to be that girl. But the backstory was like, you know, she had a rough home. She had a lot of brothers around her.

15:20And I went on set from Straight from the Soap and Jean Black, the makeup artist, was like, oh, my God, what do you meet? Matthew McConaughey. And she showed me a Polaroid film. I was like, oh, my God, who is that? Look at that. Oh, my God, that guy. Oh, my God. And I ran on set and I was like, can I be in the scene, Rick? and I was like, hi, Matthew. My name's Parker. I play Darla. I'm the head hazer. I grew up, I had a lot of brothers. They kind of like, you know, I'm kind of tough and which is why I wanted to take on this role so much. I'm going to act out, you know, what was repressed and when I couldn't act out in high school.

16:00He's like, yeah, cool. And so then he walks into it and he's like, hey, Darla. And then he slaps my ass and walks in. So that was our moment. Remember when they used to do that? You know what I'm watching now that I'm loving? I'm watching it again, okay? Because I am a fan, all right? The original Dynasty. Now that is some good television. That is. The nighttime soap, that kind of writing. I have a fantasy that, you know, like in the beginning of early television, they had the Playhouse 90 series and it attracted all these playwrights. Let's bring back a nighttime soap. Shoot it in the studios in New York.

16:38actors can do theater when they want to and create some kind of new thing.

16:45Parker Posey:That's a great idea. People love White Lotus because they love watching that. It's like soap opera behavior, right? Yeah. And the kind of directing of camera and music and the success of the show has gotten me like, you know, what can I do? Because you're expected to do everything now. And I don't even have an assistant. That's why I almost fell asleep before we started talking here at the Chateau. But it's like, okay, can I create something? Yeah. A world, right? Because there's a lot that we could, there are new forms to be made. I'll just say that. Especially back in New York where you're based.

17:29Parker Posey:I mean, there feels like there's a lot of, so many actors that are looking to, you know. With the soul of like a playwright, you know, it's great to come and be in a writer's room and jam and play with a band and create under an umbrella of a tone of a show. But I think the writers that have that, you know, for whatever reason, I had to shut the door and write a play. You know, it's just a different. I just want to protect that because I love I love that. Those are the people who are writing and looking at humanity, what it is right now. And right now is a really, really wild time, okay? And we're here for it.

18:11So I'm like, oh, I hope I can produce something because that's what you're expected to do now. And the young people are doing it. I didn't have to do it. I rode a wave of luck and it felt just very instinctual and charmed. And I think I could have taken hold more of, that's not true. I'm not going to talk like that because I'm always whipping stuff up. You know, I have a lot of ideas. I just think there's a lot in the culture that we come up against that is not fair. And I'll always be upset about it.

18:52Parker Posey:Sure. Well, can we go back to what the scene was like that you came out of in the early 90s? because obviously, and I'll ask you about this part in a moment, but your rise coincided and it's like a chicken egg thing. You were such a part of it, like the indie boom of the 90s. And I wonder if you can just kind of describe what that was like generally before I ask you about some of the specific projects you did then, because unfortunately in the course of your career, that type of movie has become, it's an endangered species. Maybe it's morphed into TV in the sense that like some of the best stuff on TV wouldn't have been possible then, but it's all seems to be a little bit connected.

19:43But what, so you show up in the mid nineties, primarily based in New

19:47Parker Posey:York. What was, how did you find the scene? How did you break in? And if you can recall. Yeah, I did. So my speech teacher from college, Liz Himmelstein, is got me, you know, I moved into her apartment and she moved around the corner. You know, you go with the flow. It's just like everything just felt connected. I felt just so much a part of like, yeah, I do. Yeah, let's do it. Well, let's call this person and let's, you know, I think Party Girl is probably the movie that is emblematic of a certain way of working that people felt about the entertainment industry and about being a part of a movie and about a culture giving to a movie.

20:29There wasn't a brand thing. It was like you design wardrobe by going to a costume doc and you would talk to the wardrobe designer about shoes and hair. And what she saw as a character, people were in each other's faces and it was very different then it was it was more inclusive you had to be quiet when the when the um when the takes were going on it was film film costs money they go can you do this this scene in two takes you know like I remember that on um working with Mark Waters on House of Yes going like we only have this amount in the camera before we go to lunch, you know, and before this is all, you know, this kind of pressure that it's not, it's just dissipated in a bit.

21:24It's turned into something else. I don't know how to describe it. It's just bigger now. It was more intimate then. It was more, I could, you know, the crews were small, so you kind of knew everybody's name or, you know, people were familiar to you. At the outset of your career, was it your kind of private ambition

21:50Parker Posey:to be a Hollywood movie star who's, you know, out in LA getting paid a lot of money doing big studio movies? Or did you always hope to specialize in the kinds of movies that you specialized in in the early days? You know, it was like something like Party Girl or House of Yes, And they're like, we're clock watchers, these characters who are, you know, it's witty. It's well written. It's got it's kind of like the screwball comedies of the 40s. It's got a wit to it. It's entertaining. Yeah, I thought that, you know, what I could bring to a character would, you know, I would just get chosen by a director right to do a part and then almost at the same time in like 1997 98 when I'm labeled Queen of the Indies then the co-opting of the independent movement starts like at being absorbed by the studio system and and then all of a sudden I'm Danica Danica Talos and blade Trinity Well, before we go into that transition, which I'm sure was jarring almost in the way that for people coming out of the silent era and then there were suddenly talking, like, it's just such a jarring thing.

23:14I was like, oh, my God, give me a break. Like, people are going to watch vampire movies. I was like, are you kidding? Like, really? Really? And then cut to.

23:27Parker Posey:Yeah, here we are. So when you were, let's say if you can take me back to. And I had fun, you know, I had fun when I, I wasn't so deliberate or I'm not a strategic person at all. Like I'm such a free spirit. I'm so independent. I'm like probably independent from myself even. And, but now I'm, now I'm all grown up. I assure you, like I've got, I see a lot more. I see a lot more. I remember a lot less. or a lot more. Well, let's, let's, let's. Yeah. You have a whole plan, Scott. Yeah. I want to, I want to ask you though, cause I'm abandoning the plan largely cause you're, you're bringing up some really interesting things, but I, there are certain things I want to make sure we cover.

24:14Parker Posey:One of them though is like, you know, you were described from the beginning and I think it might be because of something like party girl or house of yes, or some of these others that kind of put you on the map as much more there there's a line here i'm going to read back to you actually um the quality of personality makes posey comparable to the classic hollywood star she's not a chameleon she's a delight in and of herself close quote where you know somebody like katherine hepburn or somebody there was always something right something you were you've been compared to her a lot the underlying thing about the person is kind of there but applied differently to different characters obviously if you kind of in the back of your head had anybody whose career were you hoping to kind of replicate or to be similar to like who are your models as you were starting there with those old black and white movies rosalyn russell carol lombard yeah like i want to like we need to do anti-mame again yeah how i love jenna Rollins and Cassavetes.

25:20Yeah. But it was like, it's such a strange. I knew what I was going to do with my life and I knew what I, what I wasn't, you know, inside, like I needed to act or perform at like such a young age as a story, as a story person, right? Like absorbing other people. You know, I have a twin brother. I have like, so nothing really was like, oh, I'm going to go do this just like that.

25:52Parker Posey:Yeah. It was more like, you know, I'm going to live the road that's traveled. Yeah. I like that poem. And I want to please my parents. It was really just like, I want to make people laugh and entertain people. Yeah. And I think this. It's always about the writing. I know that sounds such a but it's true. It's like strong writing, witty, you know, good jokes. I really miss like there's this other show that I that I tried to get off a remake of like over a decade ago called Heart to Heart. Yeah. And, you know, you see men and women really get along in that. They love each other. And I miss that.

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26:40I miss that chemistry between men and women on camera. I went to Tom Cruise out of the Jimmy Fallon show. And he was so nice. He waited backstage, too, because he had a full-on dressing room. And people were in there before I went on, and then I didn't catch him again. But he waited, and he was doing Mission Impossible. He's so nice, you know? And I'm like, when are women going to be in those movies that are just like the two of them, like romance in the stone?

27:12Parker Posey:Right, right, right. You know, like. Well, it's interesting you bring this up because I don't know if everybody realizes this. But because I think there's some people whose perception or they think that you only sought out these kind of challenging, low budget indie movies at the outset. But in fact, I don't think that's the case, right? A person who made the kind of movies that you're, I think, talking about was Nora Ephron, who took an interest in you pretty early on, right? Yeah. Even though it kind of, I guess you were originally going to be in Sleepless in Seattle, and that didn't end up happening, or it didn't make the cut.

27:50Yeah, it was one scene.

27:52Parker Posey:Yeah. And it ended up at the cutting room floor. And she sent me the sweetest note, handwritten on a card, just telling me how sorry she was. And it had nothing to do with my performance. I was a gifted comedian. And, yeah, that's kind of support, you know. And then I did. Mixed nuts. And then I did mixed nuts. And I took out money from Shutters on the Beach to check into the hotel. It's probably like$500 or$800, whatever it is, just to check in. You have to have that amount of money in your account. Well, that's about how much money I had in my account. So I was at Johnny Rockets getting a burger with Jon Stewart.

28:35And I was like, let me just go to the ATM machine. And I went to the ATM. And the receipt came out. It said$1.75. And Nora was like right there. I was like, look at this, Nora. she's like oh parker you need some money let me give you a hundred dollars i was like thank you so i could live that way you know what i mean i just um i was i was living in a way that you could you know the rent was cheap and you could i wasn't thinking about money or saving or any of that yeah

29:10Parker Posey:yeah well and it seems like is it a coincidence that you worked so often with first-time directors i just want to mention a few like because this it often worked out really well but like you not everyone has that good an eye for for filmmaking talent or the film or attracts talented filmmakers i mean you were in no bomb box first feature kicking and screaming you were in uh daisy yvonne scherler meyer's first feature which we've talked about party girl and we'll talk more about you were in greg matola's first feature and it just goes on and on with the examples of this but i just wonder is that rocky so many generation yeah um the jill and karen sprecker julian schnabel like um is that just a coincidence that you would that you were did you sort of think like I like is no the the answer is yes it was a coincidence yeah yeah yeah well okay so let's can we talk about party girl specifically for a minute because I just a few weeks ago went and re-watched it ahead of knowing we were gonna be doing this and it's it's still such a fun charming movie and clearly you'd have to be blind to not realize how special you were after watching that movie.

30:31Parker Posey:Can you just, do you remember, first of all, I think it's your first leading role in a film, right? You and Daisy were both in your 20s at that time. How did you find out about each other and would you have guessed that this would be a movie that people would be asking you about 30 years later? I have this script came to me. I loved it. I said, I have to, you know, I have to do this the part is mine I read with Daisy and then we got Liev to come in and he came in on his motorcycle like fresh out of Yale School of Drama and he kind of had an attitude Daisy of course Daisy knew him somehow and and then we got along you know we were we were we were great friends and we had a great time acting together and then Greg Mottola I don't know how I met Greg Mottola, Kahani Korn was a documentarian on Days Confused.

31:30She went to school with, at Columbia Film School with Greg Mottola. He made a short film that Steven Soderbergh saw and wanted to invest in a film that he did. So we did a reading of a movie that never got made. And he was told to write a script that you can shoot in a car with, you know, at your parents' house and just make it on the right budget so I had brought in Liev and Campbell Scott invested a little bit so these things just came about so naturally yeah you know and you were producing even if you weren't getting the credit that's right and um it's like these things like really just come about so naturally.

32:15And yeah, I don't, I just, I remember coming out to Hollywood and I had this meeting with, you know, I would meet these executives and these producers. And, you know, they knew they couldn't give me a part. But I would still go out here thinking that, you know. But they wanted to meet me. They wanted to know, like, how how do you do it you know like we're coming up against you don't know what's going to happen to this town we're coming up against dvds sold at the walmarts all everywhere that what dvds have done to the movie industry we're just like it's all going to change now that was 20 years ago i was listening to some norah afron interviews on youtube about what she was talking about about the movie business.

33:09So like we knew a long, long time ago that it was going to change. So there was just that kind of trust in my own volition and point of view of going like, you know what, that movie doesn't feel right for me. I'm going to pass.

33:27Parker Posey:Well, can we talk about an example of that where, you know, they talk about the Oscars of independent film are the Spirit Awards, right? And they film independent Spirit awards. And this idea of a independent spirit, I mean, my understanding is after Party Girl comes out and you are everyone's, you know, it girl of the moment or whatever, of course, representatives and whatever are trying to, they want to point you into a certain, I guess, more kind of conventional path of what you do when you have that kind of attention. And there's a story that I've heard about don't take supporting, don't take a supporting part or whatever, but then you get the offer to do Basquiat.

34:10Parker Posey:And you've said, like, fuck that. I'm not doing something with David Bowie and Julian Schnabel and all that, right? Like that you, so to some extent it seems like, and similarly, you know, there's these stories which you can certainly tell me if any of them are inaccurate, but that. I think I can answer you and tell you something really that will make sense. I am an artist, which I think means the experience of my life has meaning other than just the movies. Right. So where my energy is going and what world I want to be in has to make sense in a way that is has like that means something to me and that I feel like I need to work out.

34:53I don't think people really understand the artist in the form of a woman and especially in the young actress that I was.

35:04Parker Posey:Yeah. Well, the idea of a like filmmaking family or something, I know you've talked about, others talk about that. It's sort of like summer camp every time you do a project. Yeah. Right. You go off, you make a lot of friends and you don't see them again, maybe. But the one exception to that in your career, and I think it's correct to say, would be the Christopher Guest movies, which started shortly after the After Party Girl because Waiting for Guffman is 96. And just for our listeners, I'm going to quickly mention a few, set up a few of these things. So Waiting for Guffman, you're a Dairy Queen worker by day, community theater performer by night, working on a musical review to commemorate the sesquicentennial of Blaine, Missouri.

35:48Parker Posey:That's the first one in 96. The next one, 2000, a high-strung dog owner who flips out when her dog's chew toy goes missing. In 2003, we've got A Mighty Wind. You're the daughter of one of the original Main Street singers who's now part of a second-generation incarnation of the group that's asked to perform at a tribute concert. 2006, we've got For Your Consideration. You're one of the stars of the Oscar-buzz indie drama Home for Purim. And then 10 years later, the fifth, I believe, fifth and most recent of these Christopher Guest, he doesn't like the word mockumentary, but mockumentaries of this one's mascots.

36:25Parker Posey:You are a dance artist inside an armadillo costume who's one of several mascots preparing for the annual World Mascot Association Championships. You know why he doesn't like that is because I'll tell you, like people don't kind of know what that, he calls them, they're unscripted movies. Okay. Okay. So there's a concept and a little paragraph that's given, like Meg and Hamilton Swan are going to a therapist. They're upset that their dog, Beatrice, caught them having sex and she may not be able to compete in the Westminster Dog Show. And they're lawyers who met at Starbucks. And so you sit down, you're in front of the camera, you bring the scene to life with the other actor right then and there.

37:12and it takes like you know maybe 45 minutes to do a whole scene but then the prep beforehand is a lot of like gleaning a lot of like thinking about these characters thinking about the culture like originally best in show was called dog land because everyone seemed to be having dogs instead of kids right instead of babies right and that was so true it's so observant it's so smart so So, yeah, I met Chris. And after I had, I convinced Lauren Michaels that Connie Conehead needed friends in the Coneheads. Because I knew that I wouldn't get Connie Conehead. I just knew it. I said, does she have any friends in the...

38:00And I got scale plus 15%. First film role. That was my first scale plus 15 % role. and you know Chris Farley was there and David Spade and and it was just so fun and um and I guess a year later I don't know how much longer um Karen Murphy the producer of um Chris's movies called Lauren Michaels and said do you have do you know anyone who could play 18 and improvise and um uh Karen uh yeah Lauren suggested me that's for Chris Chris's movies and for that movie and that was wild because it was just it was just I was like me and Reese Witherspoon and you think like how yeah he showed me a documentary about opera performers and it was just one of those meetings, I just felt so comfortable with him.

39:00And then it was like family, you know.

39:02Parker Posey:And did you, how quickly did you kind of acclimate to the way that, the way that he works where, I don't know how much improv you'd been able to do before that. I also know you've talked about that it can be heartbreaking when you do a 45 minute scene, right. To then see a few, you know, 30 seconds of it in the final cut. But did you, were you, were you kind of right at home in his company of you know there was like it to to tell you a little bit about acting school and like Sanford Meisner does this this game called the repetitious repetition game and you know I had an actor studio teacher named Eulalie Noble and um I had a um I did not like to rehearse and people were like I don't I didn't like rehearsal and it was I really didn't like it really it embarrassed me so I was so undisciplined in this kind of way and I was almost cut from the program and then they saw me on stage and they're like oh well we can't we can't cut her from the program so it was kind of like wanting to kind of save something for the moment where it's important yeah and but also it's kind of like surfing in a way or you know parasailing where you jump off a cliff and you want to rely on the wind to take you in a certain direction and also the guide who's there with you you want to rely on him and just be in like a certain kind of space so you really trust the work that then the prep that you've done and um and then you just you just know that that's going to come out without thinking about it.

40:46Interesting. Yeah. And then you, it's more focused about on the other person. Right. You know, so that is like a really special group of people because it's not everyone can do it. You know, it's like a thing, like not everyone can be a stand-up comedian and go out there alone. Yeah, it's just a different thing. So Chris, being able to do that and direct that way was, it's just so much fun, you know.

41:17Parker Posey:I hope it's been nine years since the last one. I hope we get another song. Well, there is one coming out. Spinal Tap. Spinal Tap is back together now. Right, right. Sundance, going back to Party Girl, I think, has been a big part of your life and career. Never more so than in 1997 when you had Clock Watchers, Suburbia, and the House of Yes there. And it's a good excuse for me to bring up The House of Yes, which is another one that I just went and rewatched. And it's so off the wall and eccentric. And you're particularly great. I know they honored you at that Sundance with a special award for that.

41:57Parker Posey:Again, just for anyone listening who hasn't seen it or needs a reminder, you're playing a young woman in the early 80s who goes by Jackie O. and has some, I guess, not spelled out what it is mental illness, but part of her issue is she's attracted to her brother. And part of her issue is that, and it's sort of related, is that she is always dressing up as Jackie Kennedy or often dressing up as her as she looked on the day of the assassination. Like, there's some eccentric sort of twisted things going on here. Well, yeah, it's written by, you know, this was her Yale thesis. And this is a playwright.

42:37This is back to what I'm saying. Like, you know, it's meant to, I know it's weird and eccentric, but it's meant for a certain conversation. No one's saying, like, this has happened. No, no. You know what I mean? It's so different now. The way, you know, stories now have a certain kind of propaganda and a certain kind of way to entertain. And back then it was more focused on, I think, more of a relationship to theater and structure. That was back to what you were saying about we don't have that space anymore. It's like, you know, long form. But like back then, this is someone who is like a true blue playwright.

43:17Parker Posey:Yeah. Yeah. I haven't seen, you know, I haven't seen that in a long time. I haven't seen it. When when you at one point you said, quote, it wasn't until the House of Yes that I realized what a head trip acting is. And that was after like 18 films. Close quote. Why? What was it about that one that kind of opened your or that was so different for you? I wasn't. But it was like 18 films. It wasn't 18 films. I mean, I did work and, you know, I'm a working actor doing little parts. But that was maybe like I did like Party Girl, Clock Watchers, House of Yes. It was like my fourth or fifth film. Substantial.

43:59And it's such good writing that I don't really think about when I read something that's really good. I don't really judge it or think like, oh, that's going to look like this. I'm just like, I'm so excited to play this part of this person who is this character. Right. since it was so much like a play the character acting part of me was just a lot stronger you know because that's what the writing demanded a certain way of being in order to deliver the pace of the piece right so much fun I mean a lot of actors love that because it's just so the writing is so great

44:41Parker Posey:it was really fun So you did 30 films, as you say, varying sizes of parts, whatever, but 30 films between 1993 and 1998. 1997 was the year that that Time Magazine article. That just doesn't sound right. But anyway, it doesn't matter. OK. Well, 1997 was the year that Time Magazine ran that article that you referred to by Richard Corliss that was titled Queen of the Indies and referred to you as that. Indie Queen. Yeah. Indie Queen. Yeah. Yeah. Some people might assume that that was like a great, cool thing in your career. You seem to have expressed that it wasn't. Why not? Yeah, it was like I was telling you earlier.

45:23And the producer, I wish I could remember his name. And I don't think he's alive anymore because he used to work with Ben Stiller. And he was talking to me about Frank Zappa. And he said, you know, our system, capitalism can't contain, like, when there's an art movement, it is going to be co-opted by, you know, by the system. And that's exactly what happened. So it wasn't like, I mean, I didn't make any of this happen, but it came very clear that these independent voices and these, you know, writers and directors, these auteurs like they've been having in Europe all these years, are viable for movies and movie making.

46:12and then we have the mystique of the producer coming. We have all these bankers. We have all this power coming. It's like, we're going to make money. And so you make the biggest money by the biggest star who has the highest salary. And I just didn't have a high salary, so I was just peanuts.

46:34Parker Posey:But you feel that by having a place with the stature of Time magazine, refer to you in that way, that it made people see you in a bit of a box? Is that what it was for you personally? I understand that the indie movement was having issues. I just think I wasn't viable in the studio system because my rate wasn't, I didn't make it, my quote was low for making nothing on an independent film. So if you go to a financer, you go, hey, we're going to get this star, and this is what she made on her blockbuster. So you give my star that, and then we're going to raise the money because their last movie made this amount of money.

47:23So now she's in the next independent film that's going to guarantee. So it really wasn't about anyone putting me in a box. I think, you know, the agents and the managers that I've had that, you know, like me and, you know, but there just wasn't like I could only fit into, you know, supporting, you know, Kitty Kowalski and Superman Returns or Danica Talos and Blade 3. So there was and these were things that I mean, it wasn't really occurring to me at the time. I was just kind of miffed, you know.

47:56Parker Posey:Right. And people, I guess, like you have, it's not like you never prior to, you know, the ones that you mentioned, Scream 3 or Blade Trinity. Scream 3. Or Josie and the Pussycats and Superman Returns. So that's when you were starting to do some studio movies. But prior to that. I was in You've Got Mail. Yeah, you've got mail. But you also, I mean, I think you've talked about you would occasionally go out for some of these bigger, like a Speed or a Jerry Maguire, right? Or I think you said Girl Interrupted or whatever. And maybe this was just the, I think sometimes though, the example I saw. I passed on Girl Interrupted.

48:38You passed, right.

48:39Parker Posey:So. Yeah, this was like, I don't, I mean, what are you asking? Well, I guess it's not that you had zero interest in doing a studio movie. That's right. No, not at all. Yeah. Not at all. I had so many ideas. Yeah, yeah. I told Howard Rosenman. I think that's his name. I was like, Howard, let's like make Charlie's Angels a movie. And here's like a pitch to, you know, I had all these ideas and good ideas. I still have good ideas. Of course. I love this. You know, this is this is a great time. TV over the course of your career has gotten so much better. And I wonder you seem to recognize that pretty early on.

49:24Parker Posey:I mean, you were in Louis that third season. It was you were really great. You were there's a number of examples of things where you've popped up. Sometimes it's a good wife, good wife, inside Amy Schumer, Lost in Space, Hemingway and Gellarhorn, Staircase, Mr. and Mrs. Smith, so many different things. Do you, how would you compare, like, is the experience today of doing TV the closest thing in a way to doing indie films when you were starting out? Or is it just... It's so different. Is it? Yeah. It's so different now. I feel like the machine is just bigger. No matter. You know, if you have like someone like Amazon producing a TV show.

50:09Yeah. you know it's not a film studio yeah so it's kind of like there just seems to be more people around um and it comes together quickly like like business comes together quickly I guess you know I haven't done that I haven't done that much um staircase was great yeah anyway go ahead sorry

50:33Parker Posey:No. And when you, I guess in the last few years, you've said that there were times when you were not maybe totally sure where you stood in the business without those kinds of movies and projects that you had initially set. Can you just, it's hard for, I think people assume, they look at your career, you've had such an amazing career and done so much great work. I think they just sort of assume that if you're not on screen for a little, you know, for a while or whatever, it's because you've not wanted to work or whatever for a little while. Now, you've rarely never not worked, but you're. Yeah, that's so weird.

51:15Like, you know, so you do a Woody Allen movie. Yeah. And then they go like, yeah, you know, you do a Woody Allen movie. And that way, you know, you take one, you know, you do a little indie movie. You don't get paid. And then, you know, you get paid on your bigger jobs. And I'm like, this is when I get paid.

51:33Parker Posey:Yeah. Yeah. And. I mean, you said when you got a rational man, that first of the two Woody Allen movies, the other one the year after was Cafe Society. This is 2015 and 2016. you've said you cried when you got Irrational Man. It was such a big deal. It felt so lucky, you know, as a woman, I don't know what the ratio is, and I don't, I just so, to how much more work men get than women. And it's not just like how much work, but how much, you know, how much is written in these stories. That's why I think you have to produce your own work and start from the ground up but that really wasn't my you know my way my nature I was in a film festival in Poland and Julia Taylor and I were on a boat together she's Woody Allen's casting director and so it was like it was a relief to fit into an auteur like like Woody Allen I mean that that that said I had to I didn't make enough money from the age 35 to, you know, 48.

52:45I had to sell my apartment. I had to sell a book proposal. I had to write a book, all of which I'm so happy. You know what I mean? You come to an age and you're just like, oh, like, no, it's not supposed to be easy. You're not a spoiled brat trying to get your way. Like, this is hard. And this is all, like, this is a path that is not easy. And you knew this, like at some point you were not the exception to the rule that, you know, that's why I feel so lucky now to having aged in Hollywood and now playing women. So that was a relief to have Woody Allen write that part for me. And it's, you know, it was a great part and a great, a great, a great movie.

53:35it's tough and it's not it's not fair so i i need to learn a bit more about creating my own work and with friends i need to get more disciplined i need to you know get the right people to support me and my point of view and not just laugh at my ideas like they're funny but actually produce them Did you ever watch Mystery on Monday Night?

54:01Parker Posey:No. On PBS. It was like Diana Rigg and she would introduce like the last mystery of last week. And I just thought she was like, oh, I want to grow up. I want to be that lady. You know, she was like talking about a show she saw last week and what happened in this show. I'm like, maybe let's do something like that for me. because I'm but yeah you know I have some ideas we'll see we'll see we'll see this brings us to White Lotus which I mean aside for there's a lot of things about it that are great but one of them is that it has given you this kind of a different part than I think we've ever seen you play before I very possibly wrong about this but I don't remember seeing you play a mother in a in anything before right and And here, you know, just again, for the sake of anyone who's still catching up, wealthy, self-medicating Southern woman on vacation with her financier husband and their three kids.

55:04Parker Posey:This is the third installment of Mike White's, you know, series of these. But he's somebody who I think was around when you were starting out in the 90s doing indie stuff as well. Did you guys know each other back then or how did you wind up in touch on this? Yeah, we did. I remember running into him and meeting him with Miguel Artega, if that name rings a bell, from back in the indie scene days. You know, friends of friends. Yeah, I would run into him over the years. I think I even had a night. My friend Harper reminded me of a night at Dantana's with him and Jennifer Gulich. And then I ran into him at the Gotham Awards.

55:45He was like, hey, what do you like to work with? I mean, let's do something. I said, yeah, man, what are you waiting for? Like, yeah, right?

55:53Parker Posey:We're like, yeah, right? I just did a movie with Koganada. It was great. Yeah. And I guess he saw, you know, Staircase and the wheels started turning. Yeah. So he wrote this, he wrote it and I didn't have to audition. And I was really happy about that. Prior to going off to Thailand, was this something where you just, you have your script and then it's up to you to totally figure out how you want to approach it or are you in touch with him about like how do you see it or how does that work yeah you know he is that kind of director and a lot of directors are like this and you know Woody Allen is like that and a lot of dorks they're just like you go do the work it's not my job to you know but the actor runs to like really know or said like just tell me and give me a little crumb or what do you think and Mike said to me the the part my favorite part was he I said if you could call on someone in a film or you know a role that you've seen before what is she like and he said she's like um big edie in gray gardens but she's younger yeah so it that gave me so much yeah because I I was just reading a friend of mine my friend Angela had a book by the Marble Fawn of Grey Gardens written by Jerry, who was the 16-year-old in the movie Grey Gardens.

57:21So I was reading that and getting even more backstory of, you know, an Americana centricity of Southern wealth and privilege. I love that movie Harold and Maude, too, so much. It just has great style. And, you know, it's a strong point of view of a certain mother.

57:44Parker Posey:Yeah. Yeah. So there wasn't any of that. There were there wasn't a lot of talking. It came together. You know, it was like a it came together in like three, four weeks. Like it was after the strike, you know, finding wardrobe there and there already in Koh Samui. We talked to the actors on Zoom a little bit, trying to see how hard to hit. And, you know, and then Jason is, you know, English actor, loves an accent. So, you know, working on that kind of way. And then you have the family all come together and you see what that is. Because I think there's a lot of chemistry and dynamics that come just like by putting five people together.

58:33Yeah, I never played a mom. And, you know, moms have so much power. I had to be narcissistic to a large degree because Timothy and what he's going through had to not fully, you know, register. So she's someone very much in her own story, in her own fantasy of her own family and her, do you know what I mean? but it made me laugh so hard. I was so happy to get that part but also it was a demanding it was just a real character.

59:16Parker Posey:Can I ask you just two things about her that I was wondering watching the show. Why do you think and maybe this is stuff that you knew and never talked to Mike about maybe it's things you talked to Mike about or whatever But like, why do you think she's self-medicating so much? Well, we have that dream of her where she sees her father walking behind her husband in this colonial house. And you see her screaming on the beach as her children are like running away from her. I think she's in a lot of grief. I think she just you know she lost her father But she's also lost herself to like a patriarchal system that has her screaming to get out that she doesn't even know where she is Like this is a woman who is drowning in like these mores of what one should do and should not and this like you know, she's could be kind of tyrannical in this way and and uses her drama to, you know, have a good time herself and, you know, like wield it like, you know, these women in Shakespeare plays, you know?

1:00:30Like this is what I was going back to is like these writers who write these women and that's what Mike does and it's just like you can hold that with good writing.

1:00:41Parker Posey:The other thing was there's a moment where she says something where it sort of suggests she doesn't realize where she is. She says she's in like Taiwan but not Thailand. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Is that because she just is out of it or she doesn't – I don't think she's stupid. No, she's – it doesn't matter, you know, to her. it's a place that's far away from home and where her daughter should be it's too far away from home and she doesn't she will never break the mold that her parents instilled on her and she is going to make sure that that does not happen to her daughter so it's a real control it's like intense control yeah I love how Mike writes women there's some wisdom to to Victoria, you know, I got to kind of play and play everything I wanted to play.

1:01:41Parker Posey:Another thing, how much does where you are when you're doing a project affect the performance? I'm just thinking some of the movies that you've done, the budgets are like probably, you know, barely, you know, I think you've said there were times where you've put things on your own credit card or to help out a movie. Or meanwhile, here, this is, I guess, HBO sending a huge ensemble of people to, you know, first class to Thailand at a for months at a time at a luxury resort. Like, had you ever experienced anything like this in terms of ways? And is that helpful or maybe not? Yeah. I mean, you know, back we were saying earlier, it's like I am like still like, oh, my God, this is what I get to experience in this life.

1:02:30like really okay so you know i read it and i go oh my god i'm so much like piper that was so interesting because i was really like um into you know it still am eastern philosophy and buddhism and and healing the healing arts and you know unifying principle and divine feminine and all these like things that were so inherent in Thailand, a country that's never been colonized and has so much beauty and so much like harmony. And so it was that that was a real gift.

1:03:12Parker Posey:Last two things, if it's all right with you. Just first of all, again, you've been doing this for a long time and a lot of a lot of things that people have seen and loved in the film and TV communities. But I don't know that, have you ever been in something where you were a central part of it that so many people watched and talked about and tweeted and memed and all? I mean, sometimes I have co-workers where, you know, you ask them something and you get back a thing of you saying, whatever it was at this age, I think I'm meant to live a comfortable life. I don't think I'm meant to live an uncomfortable life.

1:03:56Parker Posey:All of this. Like every time an episode drops, a large number of people at a time when this happens with increasing rarity or whatever, that so many people were engaged. And I guess anything previous to this that was like that for you? And what did you make of that? No, nothing like this. And, you know, when we did press and the journalists came to meet us and they'd only seen like the first four or maybe they did four episodes or six episodes, they came in. They're like, and they would come in and they just sit down in the chair. They're just so excited. They're like, this is going to give the culture so much.

1:04:35We're so excited to not be distracted, you know, to have something to entertain us, to take us away from the news and something. So, I mean, I just I just thought it was it's been so much fun. I have all these great lines and I yelled tsunami outside of Taco Esquera yesterday. They're like, Piper, no. I hear all this like Piper, no. So I'm leaving the place. I was with Sam Rockwell and I was like, okay, we'll get in the car. And then as the car turns, I'm going to yell like tsunami. Yeah. I mean, that's been fun. And it goes back to like what I am as a child of my mother and my father and their parents.

1:05:17and their ancestors and everybody. Like I landed at this time in this flesh to I am an extension of all of them. And that's like, that's not far from how that's natural, you know. So it's a real blessing. And it doesn't feel weird. And it feels just, you know, I feel right on time and right in place with it all to work with like-minded, you know, visionary people like Mike that can give to our culture. And not just our culture, but, I mean, I had so much fun making the Thai women laugh at her accent. Like a part of like going so big was like I was in Thailand. They would just love to like imitate me and talk like me.

1:06:11And so I was very sweet.

1:06:14Parker Posey:Well, and this leads to the last thing, which is that, I mean, a nice thing about everybody seeing something that you've been a part of is that I think there's, you know, hopefully are you already seeing balance in the opportunities to do the kinds of things that you want to do? I've heard about one thing with the Martin McDonough film that's Wild Horse Nine, where it's you and Sam Rockwell. Yeah, I have a little part in that movie and I get to go to Easter Island. Not bad. You know, and then we shot my side of the phone call in Moab, Utah. Nice. So again, these places that I'm going and seeing this land, you know, I feel like such a nomad.

1:06:56I really am, or like I'm driving, I have five gear shifts in me. I've been doing a lot at once and that I'm enjoying the ride.

1:07:06Parker Posey:That's great. Well, thank you so much for doing this. I appreciate it. Thank you.

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