Andy Burnham: PC Harper's killers to stay in jail

18:58Paddy O'Connell:And what will it do? I know that Hubble was a step forward and I've heard that this is similar technology, but with a greater eye. Yeah, I mean, it's similar only in the sense it's a similar sized telescope and it's capable of similar sensitivity and detail. But that's where the similarities end, because Roman, for every picture Roman takes, is covering an area of sky well over 100 times the size that Hubble can image. And not only that, but it can step from one part of the sky to another much quicker than Hubble. So in one day, Roman can do a survey that would take Hubble almost four years to do.

19:43And in fact, within the first two weeks of Roman's science operations, we'll amass more data than Hubble has managed to accumulate in 36 years. So this really is a massive step up.

19:55Paddy O'Connell:It's allowing us to do science that will be utterly impossible to do with Hubble. And Eamon, don't talk to me about data as you say goodbye. Talk to me about dreams. when you look at the heavens what are you waiting to discover i tell you what we're waiting to discover we're going to see over a billion galaxies and they are going to help us to try and unravel potentially new physics which is why the universe is accelerating um so that's one thing we're we're dreaming about another thing we're dreaming about is that we will be able to image 20 billion stars in our galaxy totally unprecedented and build up a three-dimensional map of our galaxy with a level of detail we've never been able to do before.

20:38And then me personally, what I'm dreaming about is getting a hold of a catalogue of 100 ,000 new planets right across the galaxy, planets at all distances from their host stars. And we're going to do some wonderful science from that, find out how typical our solar system is, and find out how many temperate planets like Earth throughout the galaxy for the first time. So incredibly exciting science.

21:03Paddy O'Connell:Thank you for sharing your enthusiasm with us. Perhaps one day we'll be able to explain where the missing sock goes down on Earth when we've counted all the billion galaxies. Thank you, Eamon Kerins. Thanks very much indeed. In the nearer future, we'll talk about the cues for the ladies' loos. Should we do absolutely nothing about them as we've done for hundreds of years, or should we try something new? And we'll hear a steel band on festival weekend and we'll hear an ally of the Prime Minister telling him to scrap the triple lock. But now we'll listen to some pigs. It's a slow radio recording of two of the little snorkers eating the first windfall apples of the year in the hot summer's sun.

21:45Paddy O'Connell:Scrumptious, says Phil in Shallborn in Wiltshire, who sent us this for slow radio.

22:16Paddy O'Connell:I think the problem is here we've left Charles Cowell's microphone open. Particularly like the use of the word snorkers. I was always told that every animal on a news programme should have a name. Well, Snorkers is good. We haven't got the name of these two pigs, but we can imagine it as we speak.

22:54Paddy O'Connell:Next, we hear of one new solution to the age-old problem of endless queues for the ladies' loos, in theatres, at festivals, and at any event with more than about three people. Life is, of course, simpler for men who can simply stand up and attempt not to urinate on the floor, though many find that difficult. The BBC's Eleanor Shearwood went to Reading Festival to see what women think about longer lines. We have more needs in the bathroom than a man would, so I always believe that there should be more toilets for women or more accessible toilets for women than they should for men. And that's not an equality thing.

23:25It's more just we do technically need it more. What's the longest you've had? Quite a while. I'd say maybe, I don't know, 45 minutes. What do you think needs to be done about it? Maybe more women's toilets. Baby changing bit is usually in the women's one, but if you put it in the men's one as well. There's not really much you can do about it. We can't just whip it out, can we? Have you heard of things like women's urinals? Is there a good idea? Absolutely. I would never lose that. I don't think I have the leg strength to squat like that. I've used them before, to be fair. They weren't that bad, but they never have toilet paper.

23:55And they're kind of gross, they smell, so I'd rather just wait. I think it should be an option, but I'd still, like, I don't know if I would use it, but it should be an option, you know? Speed up the cues a little bit, definitely. I feel like just because men have urinals and women take longer doesn't mean we should wait any longer. I'd go in the men's. Do you ever get noticed? Normally the men walk out because they think that they've accidentally walked into the ladies.

24:17Paddy O'Connell:Well, one company is new at Reading Festival this weekend, and it is attempting something new. The company is called Pequel. They make a women's urinal with no door but an individual privacy screen. Instead, users don't sit down on a seat but instead hold two handles, as the firm's Kalkidan Legues explained. I'm at Reading Festival this weekend, standing right next to our women's urinals, living my best life. It's our first year here. so it turns out that queues were costing women a lot more than we's worth of patience across the uk festival season women lose close to 10 million hours queuing for the loo we call it the female fun tax so how does it work you step up face the wall hold the handle squat and we and then you're back in the crowd before the chorus begins we have had a brilliant summer of events and we hope more people this year are able to try women's urinals.

25:11Welcome to the Fastlane.

25:12Paddy O'Connell:Lesley Lowe is a journalist and author of No Place to Go, How Public Toilets Fail Our Private Needs. I asked Lesley first how long this has been an issue in plain sight for women. From time immemorial. Yeah, this has been an issue because it's in large part a biological issue for women because women take longer to urinate and there are a whole bunch of other social issues too that contribute to it. But basically women need more toilets. And at festivals, what do you think of the suggestion of setting up a vertical loo for women? Yeah, I think it's a good measure to help. I mean, I don't, I try never to be negative about any measures that are trying to put in, put into place things that will help women overcome the time barriers for public washrooms.

26:06I haven't used one myself. I would be curious to hear from somebody who has used one what the experience is.

26:13Paddy O'Connell:What is the problem in terms of time? I can understand the inconvenience and perhaps the sort of physical pain, but just in terms of people who are just waiting, what's the hours spent? What's the feeling like of being told to get in line? Patty, like there kind of is no feeling because when you are a woman, you learn very young as a girl that you will wait in line for a bathroom and you just kind of you kind of set it aside. You don't even think about it because it is something that's just your lived reality all the time. I think that women also are told it's because we're I've heard so many different reasons.

26:52We're doing our makeup or fixing our hair or we're talking. But it's actually because women take longer to urinate. Women have more complex clothing. Women use the bathroom more frequently. Women menstruate. Women get pregnant. Women are caregivers more often than men. So women just need more provision. But, oh, it's terrible.

27:11Paddy O'Connell:Do you think there are many people, women, but also presumably some men, who won't go out because they don't feel confident they can get to a toilet? Oh, yeah, we absolutely know that that is true. We know that that is true. There are people with health conditions who don't leave their homes or, I think even more likely, don't go as far as they otherwise would because of what's called the bladder's leash. It is the amount of time you know you can be away from your home without having access to a public toilet. Yeah, we know that it changes people's lives. And is there a fix of architecture or a fix of existing buildings?

27:55Paddy O'Connell:Obviously, a stall takes up more space than a urinal. So do you think that there are fixes that can be made soon? Do the women's toilets need to be bigger than the men's toilets? Yeah, they do, because women need about two. You know, we know this very clearly. Women need two to three times the provision of men just to level the playing field in terms of the wait times for women. With thanks to Leslie Lowe, to the people from Pequil and to the festival goers who are there this weekend at Reading and everywhere else. It's not a subject we speak about very much, I think you'll agree. And thank you to everyone for telling us about it.

28:31Paddy O'Connell:We'll stick with the festival theme. It's the 60th Notting Hill Carnival this weekend. The UK National Panorama Steel Band competition was held there. Let's go to Fareed Siddiqui and his two sons, Jonah and Elijah. They make up Impact Steel Band with their friends and they competed at the competition. Hello, Fareed. Morning, how are you? Well, I'm excited. I love a steel band. How did you get on yourself? So, Impact Steel Band, we're based in the Midlands, but we didn't actually represent ourselves. We went down and performed with a band called Metronomes. We didn't actually win, but we still had an absolutely fantastic time.

29:07Paddy O'Connell:I'm guessing that for a dad to perform on the drums with his two sons must be quite elating. It must be a lovely shared experience between you and your boys. Yeah, it's beautiful. It's a wonderful experience. We're lucky to kind of travel all over the country. We've performed abroad as well. So it's a lovely thing to do as a dad. The family that drums together stays together. Absolutely. What are you going to play for us first? So we're going to start with a song called Savannah Grass, and it's all about the Queen's Park Savannah in Trinidad, which is the home of Carnival. OK, you get off to your drum.

29:40Paddy O'Connell:I'm told it takes a few seconds for Fareed to leave our microphone and walk round to his drums, so that's why I'm speaking. We now hear Savannah Grass, Savannah Road, excuse me, from Fareed Siddiqui and his two sons, Jonah and Elijah.

30:28Paddy O'Connell:So there we are. That's just three people in one family giving us savannah grass and one more before we leave. Let's turn to our reviewers. Rory Sutherland pens the Spectator's fortnightly WikiMan column. He's the vice chairman of the brands agency Ogilvy UK. Hello, Rory. Hello. You have multiple brands with that. Do you love a good brand? Do you like, if you think of Bisto and, you know, and all the, and Hovis. We love a brand in Britain, don't we? A good old-fashioned name. Yeah, in some cases, they're the last surviving repositories of trust and affection in many ways. So done well, it makes an extraordinary difference.

31:04Paddy O'Connell:And also here, Ava Glass, the spy insider and best-selling thriller writer. She worked with MI5 and also as an investigative journalist. Her new book, The Hiding Season, is out now, published by Penguin. Hello, Ava. Hello. Are you a spy? I am not at this time a spy, no. And Lizzie Buchan is the Mirror's political editor and the current chair of the Parliamentary Journalists Club, known as The Lobby. Hello, Lizzie. Hi. Are you very proud to be chair of The Lobby? I thought you were going to ask me if I was a spy. I am very proud to be chair of The Lobby. It's a longstanding institution and we are always fighting to keep everyone updated and to keep the politicians right.

31:42Paddy O'Connell:So we're going to do our review in a break from tradition in two parts. We've also got an interview for you shortly on the politics with a key ally of the prime minister. But let's get underway with you, Lizzie. Andy Burnham gets the early prison release changes he wanted, but at what cost from BBC News Online? Yeah, so we had been expecting next week the Justice Secretary Alex Norris to come forward with more details on what they were attempting to do to stop the early release of two of the killers of PC Andrew Harper. Obviously, this was a really tragic case that really captured the public's imagination.

32:18And the Prime Minister made it clear earlier in the summer that he didn't want these two individuals to be released. So they've decided to make these changes.

32:30Paddy O'Connell:Do you think it's going to work? Because we were talking about it at the top of the programme. Sorry, apologies. I think it's an incredibly thorny issue. Obviously, this is being done to try and target this particular case, but there are many other problems that will be brought in. It's complicated, isn't it? Because if you have this approach of one in, one out, Effectively, imprisonment serves multiple purposes and one of them is obviously reform. Another one is simply keeping the public safe and a third one is, of course, fundamentally just punitive. And in certain cases where it's believed that disproportionate punishment is required, it's very difficult to be selective about who gets released first.

33:18Paddy O'Connell:Yes, and Ava, do you know if this is going to work for the Prime Minister intervening in one area because he's then going to be asked to intervene in another. Yes, it's very tricky, especially in light of the news from Middlesbrough and Cleveland this week. It's very hard for people to hear we're going to let a lot of people out of prison right now, even if the reasons are logical. So I feel like in the current political environment, it's just so tricky for him. There's almost no way to win every way is loose, I'm afraid. OK, well, we're going to stay with the politics because it's the first Prime Minister's questions for Andy Burnham this week, isn't it, Lizzie?

33:49Paddy O'Connell:And so we're going to bring you now an interview with the man Andy Burnham hoped to sign to his team but could not. Jim O 'Neill was chief economist at Goldman Sachs. He served as a Treasury Minister under David Cameron, now a crossbench peer. He chose not to accept the Labour whip, preferring to advise No. 10 informally. We wanted to know what sort of advice he'll be giving on tax and spend. So I started by asking how the Prime Minister had been getting on so far. I think Andy's had a really good four weeks. If you look at the high-frequency economic indicators, it could be a complete coincidence, but they have generally all been better in the past few weeks.

34:27So in that sense, I think that suggests some kind of burn and bounce. But of course, he hasn't tackled any of the big looming issues that have effectively been around for the past decade. And obviously, with Andy creating the impression that he's going to be different, one would hope that he's going to be bold enough to try and take on some of what are often called sacred cows but I now like to refer to them as golden opportunities because I think the person that's brave enough to take some of these things on history will look back kindly on them and the financial markets probably would as well.

35:02Paddy O'Connell:What is the status of the triple lock in your analysis of sacred cows or golden opportunities? That would be right at the top of that small list. Keeping it? Keeping it? No, no. I think it's quite ridiculous that all political parties cling to it, especially because how it's ended up appearing 15, 16 years after it was introduced is way more expensive than was ever envisaged. And as people talk about frequently, the fact that it's the highest of any of the three things that are used to monitor it just gives an inbuilt bias to pensioners always getting a better deal than anybody else. Do you think the case is out there for Labour to raise taxes?

35:43I certainly think if there's any reason to increase departmental current spending, NHS seems to be one that gets money, whatever, I think it should be done by higher taxes because I don't think the financial markets would take at all kindly to that if they did otherwise. Not that I'm suggesting that that's the path I think will go down, but it would be pretty concerning if they did. But I think that if you look at where taxes have gone and are going anyhow in terms of the effective tax rates, it's risen sharply. And sooner or later, we will get a leader that is prepared to do something about the dramatic and in many cases unjustified increases in public spending and not resort to higher taxes and or higher borrowing.

36:30Because there's a limit to what either of those will take.

36:33Paddy O'Connell:Have we reached Jim O 'Neill's limit for public spending? I hope so. I hope so. I really hope so. It seems to me that the intellectual consensus behind the scene, which is starting to seep into all political parties, as it should, is that something has to be done. One of the things that they're said to be on the target sheet in order to reach the defence spending promises that they're making is to fiddle around with CGT, capital gains tax. Do you think that as much as there's a cost of living crisis, there's a cost of business crisis in the UK. I mean, clearly it's growing. Because of the manifesto pledges, if they want to raise taxes, they have to resort to something else which supposedly would raise quite a bit of tax.

37:19And it's an old favourite of many Labour think tanks and Labour advisers to raise the tax on wealth to be the same as the tax on income. And CGT is often regarded as a no-brainer by those think tanks, but I strongly disagree with them. I can see for some parts of what is really income that is reported as capital gains should be taxed at income. But for genuine entrepreneurship and risk taking, that is the last thing that should be happening. These genuine risk taking and genuine entrepreneurship are things that will truly drive future growth. And I myself am a significant venture capital investor.

37:57And this is hugely risky stuff. People can easily lose a lot, if not all the money. So it definitely shouldn't be taxed the same as income. I really hope that that is not a path to go down.

38:08Paddy O'Connell:How hopeful are you that Andy Burnham will listen to your prognosis, which you've outlined for us over the last few minutes? You know, obviously I know Andy reasonably well. I think he's somebody that wants to be different. And I think he knows all the issues. And the very fact he's undertaking such dramatic reform about devolution shows a flavour of how Andy's prepared to be. and I think he's a pretty ambitious guy that wants to make things better and I hope he does. It's fascinating because we know that Andy Burnham wanted you to be very close to the centre of his programme. Can you tell us why you didn't take the Labour whip?

38:45Because I'm a crossbencher. I've never been a member of a political party. I value my independence and I wouldn't want to take the Labour whip. You know, I'm good friends with Andy and some of his team. I've been heavily involved in the number one focus of theirs the past 15 years with devolution. If they want to hear my views, I'm obviously very happy to speak to them.

39:05Paddy O'Connell:So, a reminder, that's Jim O 'Neill. We're here with Rory Sutherland, who pens The Spectator's WikiMan column, Ava Glass, who we think is a spy, or was a spy, and Lizzie Buchan, who's the Mirror's political editor. Can you all address our listeners, Simon Burdus and Kevin Wilson, who are fed up with people talking about scrapping the triple lock? No, I think it's a sacred cow. I think that far too much of government policy is, in one way or another, redistribution of wealth from the working young to the inactive old. I also strongly suspect another sacred cow that Jim O 'Neill would like to tackle is probably a land value tax as well.

39:42I think it's a very brave Prime Minister that goes after the triple lock.

39:45Paddy O'Connell:I love that use of the word brave, isn't it? Yes, Minister. Very brave. There have been whispers, I've heard whispers for some time about MPs across the board saying, the triple lock, it is very expensive, but the political cost of that, very difficult. Yes, I think the winter fuel allowance will be hovering over everybody's minds as they think about this. Thank you all very much indeed. Well, look, we don't do that often, but it's nice to ring the changes. And now we'll go to your picks. You've been very patiently waiting. So let's start with you, Ava. Richard Osman, an interview in the Saturday Times magazine, which calls him the nicest man in crime.

40:19Yes, it's so interesting. In it, he talks about his books being popular not because they're about crime, but because they're about character. They're about people. And he says perhaps because of his eye condition or just who he is, he feels like he understands people really well. And he thinks that might be one of the reasons behind the success. Although most of the writers I know would argue that having a popular television show doesn't hurt. Beaming yourself into people's houses every day is also a handy thing. And if anybody wanted to give me one of those.

40:51Paddy O'Connell:Have you read any of his books? I have, yes. Name one and tell me what it's about. The Thursday Murder Club, which is set in, it was his most popular, it was the first. It's the one that's set in a retirement home. And the people who are there are just ordinary, interesting people solving crime. I actually think that, if you think about it in marketing terms, the demographic that watched Pointless is pretty close to the demographic that buys crime fiction most heavily. So in some ways it was a marvellous parlaying of one audience into a completely different field of business. And this cosy crime genre, are you anyone here an addict or are you fed up with cosy crime?

41:34I'm anti-cosy I'm afraid. I'm sort of like vicious crime I'm afraid.

41:37Paddy O'Connell:You want vicious crime? Well that's what I write so. I've just been catching up on Ludwig which I think probably is characterised as cosy crime. If you think about it it's crossword solving, you know, two great preoccupations of of creative problem solving. No, I like it. Well, you've switched to TV, so do I understand from that that you're not reading at the moment, Rory? I watch an awful lot of true life crime. So are you reading books? Yes, but not as much as I'd like, and I blame email for that. Are you reading books, Lizzie? Yes, I've just come back off my summer holiday, so doing most of my reading, though I have to say I spent quite a lot for it reading Elizabeth Barton by Mary Gaskell, which is very much in my wheelhouse about trade unions and that sort of thing.

42:20I'm currently reading Frank Gardner's new book, Ballistic, which is absolutely boggling my mind. It's so good. I'm losing sleep.

42:29Paddy O'Connell:Well, it's very generous of you to plug someone else's book. And as a reward, I'll mention your title one more time before you go. OK, so we're underway with your review. Lizzie, it's your turn again. The Sunday Times, don't panic. Yeah, so I've been looking at this piece, which has a lovely mock-up of Andy Burnham in a tank. And this piece is their sort of look ahead to next week, the return of Parliament and the kind of tensions between Andy Burnham's desire to be a cost-of-living Prime Minister with a focus on the domestic and the realities of leading Britain when in a time of global turmoil.

43:08And they sort of make the point that in this world, Burnham really is going to have to be a foreign policy Prime Minister whether he wants to be or not. and in the kind of run-up to next week, Andy Burnham's going to make a statement on Tuesday to MPs, his first as Prime Minister, where he wants to talk about the cost of living but they pick up in this piece on the real ramping up of rhetoric from Russia in the last week, which I think has been, sort of shows that real tension. It's complicated because if you parlay the job from a mayor, which is very much about everyday life, you know, there isn't much foreign policy if you're a mayor of Manchester, in a way he's both right and wrong in that I think that domestic issues that government has become increasingly an irritant rather than an aid in people's lives and understanding politics at the personal and local level is absolutely important at the same time you can't duck two or three vital geopolitical questions

44:08Paddy O'Connell:and this article makes it plain it quotes John Foreman the UK's former defence attaché in Moscow that trying to incite fear is a central part of Russian deterrence thinking. They are a weaker state and they have to use other means because they can't compete otherwise. So that's a long read on our defence, brought to us by Lizzie Buchan, who's the political editor for The Mirror. Rory Sutherland, The Sunday Telegraph. A festival will distress show-jumping ponies. Yes, I mean, this is actually, I think it's some sort of trance rave festival in the Cotswolds, which will disturb the local equestrian population.

44:46Now, these are three groups of people who secretly I would enjoy annoying, which is both trance music, the Cotswolds and equestrians. I once wrote that a horse was a completely unsuccessful attempt to combine a pet with a mode of transport. And you'd be much better off buying a border collie and a Range Rover rather than attempting to combine the two. And in the Green Room, we kind of parlayed this into a discussion about what's happened to the Cotswolds. There are 20 other places of equivalent or even greater attractiveness in the UK, and yet for some reason the Cotswolds seems to be benefiting from this weird winner-takes-all phenomenon.

45:24Yes, it does, doesn't it? It seems to be... I was visiting a friend there recently and it does feel slightly overrun as if it is the place to go if you're an American expat moving to Britain. Aren't Harry and Meghan moving to the Cotswolds? That's not going to help. It's going to be even more crowded.

45:40Paddy O'Connell:Yes, the editor sent me to the Cotswolds when one of the famous American MAGA politicians went there with David Arthas. Vance, I think. Yes, and there are many people who actually live there who don't want more people going there, and we brought those voices to the air. So you're telling us that ultimately a festival will annoy the ponies and annoy the Cotswolds, Rory, and we should keep our eye out. It's one of these bizarre phenomenon which I think bedevils all tourism, which are these massive winner-takes-all effects, where one place that happens to be the most famous in any category gets absurdly overrun relative to anything else.

46:21I'd be in favour of tourist tax. One of my most controversial opinions, if you want it, is I don't really see the value of non-rich tourists. OK. You've said it.

46:32Paddy O'Connell:It's out there now. It's quite a way to start. So they clutter up the streets while bringing in absolutely no revenue. There we are. So push off. So, Ava, your turn now. This is about the next 007 from the Mail on Sunday. Yes, yes. There is apparently a silent battle being waged between Amazon, who have the Bond series now, and Apple, which owns Slow Horses, in that one of the stars of Slow Horses, Jack Loudoun. Amazon wants, according to sources, to be Bond, and Apple's saying, no, we quite like him in Slow Horses. And so now he might lose out on the chance to be one of the most famous people in the world.

47:07Paddy O'Connell:Do you have a dog in the fight? Absolutely not. But I'm fascinated by who they're going to choose. Like we've got everybody else for some reason. This is part of the zeitgeist and we need to know who it's going to be. And the fact that we know what happened to Craig, to Daniel Craig, when he became Bond. It changed his life. And do you like Bond? I like, am I allowed to say? Okay. As a spy writer, I like the books more than the films. I find the films a bit too much. I always feel a bit sorry for these actors who get told they're going to be the next Bond because it just hangs over them for so long and then they sort of age out of it.

47:42But no, I mean, I do like James Bond, but I do think that Slow Horses, I found, is a more, I found more enjoyable and more interesting as a TV show.

47:51Paddy O'Connell:A sort of world to inhabit. Yeah, yeah, definitely. There are several Bonds, aren't there, in a way, you could say. I think all the candidates are too young. I think we should go back to the late Roger Moore movies where you had a middle-aged Bond. Much more interesting. Yes. And that's a marvellous idea. It'll never catch on. No. It's completely and utterly pointless. Well, I like your view on tourists. Exactly. It'll never catch on. Lizzie, where next? So my next piece I was looking at... Actually, can I act as a chair? You may. Can you instead, whatever you were going to say, can you tell us about Anne Boleyn from the Sunday Telegraph?

48:26That is exactly what I was going to tell you. So the Sunday Telegraph's got a great story. Don't lose your head, but Anne Boleyn was probably innocent. so fighting for her hundreds of years after she was executed in 1536. A new documentary looking at deaths of prominent figures in Tudor England says that many courtiers probably believed that she was blameless and their views were suppressed by the king which I think probably sounds about right.

48:53Paddy O'Connell:Yes, I think Henry was known for suppressing views. Thank you for that. The Sunday Times front page, James cleverly quits the shadow cabinet to run as Tory candidate for London Mayor, Rory. A few interesting observations here. One, we just realised that there have only been three London mayors, despite the fact in the same period we probably had ten prime ministers or more. And then we're debating whether a mayorship is now seen, as with Boris Johnson and Andy Burnham, as a new route to the top in politics. And it wouldn't be a bad thing because it probably tests people's ability rather better than making an appearance on the Today programme.

49:29Yes, it's such an interesting story because it seems like a while since the Tories have taken the mayorship of London seriously. It's as if they've decided to do that again and put up a candidate they think has a real chance, which is interesting. It introduces a real fight to that particular election. Yeah, he's definitely much more of a heavyweight figure. I mean, I think it's interesting what you were saying about the route to high office. I mean, we've been hearing that Kemi Badenot's going to reshuffle her shadow cabinet and perhaps James cleverly sees the way the wind is blowing and has gone in another direction.

49:58Paddy O'Connell:And if it doesn't work out for him, Rory, he could be Bond. That would be the end. Not bad, actually. Thank you all very much indeed for listening to our interview with Jim O 'Neill, giving us your picks from the papers. Please return one day if you've enjoyed it as much as we have. Thank you very much indeed. Rory Sutherland, Lizzie Buck and Ava Glass, whose book is called The Hiding Season. and it's out now. The two producers were Natasha Mayo, Hattie Nash and Bella Gerber-Johnson, studio production of a remarkable kind from Nicky Brough. The editor was Joe Cowell. Please join Simon Jack with BH next week.

50:31Paddy O'Connell:We say goodbye with Fareed Siddiqui and his two sons, Jonah and Elijah, playing Under the Sea. And we've had loads of emails on lose. Goodbye.

51:12Mm-hmm

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