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30:57I kind of got a little teared up a little bit. Funny the camera panned away from me because you can't see me. I kind of put there with my mouth open just like, wow. Thank you for acknowledging that. Oh, that's so sweet. Right? Yeah. I mean, I was just, it was like a, you know, sentimental moment between friends. Yeah, that was a cool interview. I liked that. It was just cool seeing you all together. When you're in the studio, are you sort of, I don't know if you saw the Beatles Get Back documentary? Oh, yeah. Great. It was long, but it was like worth watching, especially if you're a musician, like watching how they work and their dynamic between those guys.

31:33It turned them into real people for me. Like, I didn't think of them as real people. It's like I understood their personalities and how they work together. And I had no idea like seeing Paul's role, how he stepped up and he totally was like the taskmaster and he's like the band leader. It's so rad when you see him in there like like George and they're just like showing his riffs and stuff too. And you're like, oh, like, I don't know. I just love watching that because it's pretty funny because like most bands are the same. Like we all like there's so many cliches. like we all do the same shit and like relationship wise and like the kind of fight for you know this like underlying fight for like you know who's kind of steering the ship sometimes right yes um and there's like with the Beatles especially there's like there's a lot of great songwriting amongst all of them individually right so it's like how they made that work and how like you got to pick your battles and then you have to sometimes like not say what you're thinking and then sometimes also like tiptoe around certain things because you know that might trigger somebody or this or that, whatever.

32:35Try to get your ideas heard, but not dictate what everybody should be doing. Let people come up with their own parts. It's a part of being in a band. It's definitely psychological work. You know what I mean? But I was thinking about that, picturing you now in the sessions for this new album. Are you sort of like the Paul McCartney of the group? I don't know about that. like as far as you're like getting everybody in order like organizing the chaos yeah i guess so um i mean we have a producer there that especially with this with uh this record nick rascalinx who who did this record he also did a couple of other records but one of the main reasons why aside from him being a great producer but one of the main reasons for hiring him for this for this record specifically was for him to take on that role you know kind of take some of that off my plate because you know as much as that band does trust me on on certain things whatever i still don't want to be the person that that's always kind of dictating like where we're going what we're doing and okay we're working on this song now or whatever blah blah and a lot of times they just like when we were at soundcheck like okay what song are we playing i'm like i don't know what what song do you want like like like i don't don't ask me all the time right i don't want to um and i don't get mad about it but it's just like but it is very helpful to have someone else there in the room that sort of can just like be the sort of ringleader right and i can just work on my part but but yeah i mean i i think especially to like i've had like three years of sobriety and just like a very clear-minded now and focus so like it feels natural for me sometimes to like make an order of things and like kind of keep track what's going on whatever like my memory is like really crisp right now you know what I mean sharp and so I'm able to remember things really well and uh like if I'm working with Abe on a drum part whatever like I can like literally like three minutes ago you played this whatever blah blah and he'd be like and I'll remember you know things like or maybe you know five years ago I would have just not remembered so it's cool to to use those things right um especially when we're working in work mode Yeah, totally.

34:52And it keeps you it keeps you sharp. I mean, that kind of stuff is just important for overall health, for brain health as we get older. Totally. You know, now that you're sober, you strike me as someone who's sort of romantic and dreamy and emotional. And I don't know if I'm just saying that because of the type of music I know that you were into as a kid. but that's actually a lot of it i mean honestly i mean i'm just like a sucker for like all the stuff that i loved when i was a teenager yeah and i still like look back to that time my life is being like i can smell what you know what the air was like and what like i'm just like really in tune with that time of my life and i reflect upon that time of my life a lot and you know what's when i fell in love with music that's when i fell in love that's probably one of the first times I had a crush or this or that, whatever.

35:43All those things are like really like milestones of like the human experience. So like I always draw from that. Would it help you with the substances to like get deeper into those feelings or can you still go there now being sober? Oh, you know what? I thought it was like a big lie. I think I kind of fooled myself into believing that it was right. But yeah, but just being creative in general, like you soon figure out that like, yeah, I didn't need all that. I mean, not that I didn't make good music, like you know being altered here and there but um uh and a lot of great music has been made that way or with with uh being influenced by mind-altering substance whatever but the fact that you know you go through your whole life because i was pretty much since high school i've been you know like i was telling earlier just drinking beers and whatever i never made music you know without that so it was scary at first right to think that can i do this is it possible and then once you do but you're like, oh, of course it is.

36:37Yeah, that's good. All the clarity, like I was talking about earlier, comes along and then it's like, oh, well, I'm even like, I can do this and I can do this and you just start to get, it's like everything's more in focus and then you can make sense of things a lot easier. But yeah, I mean, I still get lost though too. I get lost in a good melody and a good story. I mean, I watch rom-coms. That's one thing I do still, like on the bus every night when I go, whatever. I just like like romantic stories too. What's the last rom-com you've seen that's really good? I mean, I like dumb movies too. I like like Proposal, stuff like that.

37:16Like I love some J-Lo movies. I love Anne Hathaway movies. I'll watch like all this like, I don't know. Yeah, I don't know why. I just like those movies that kind of like turn off part of my brain, I guess, whatever. And just like, I don't know. Yeah. Oh, I want to ask you, because I know when you were a kid growing up, it seems like with a band, you all of a sudden just made the jump and became a singer. Did you sing at all as a kid? Were you in choir? Were you singing around the house? Was it unexpected? Were your parents surprised that all of a sudden you were a singer in a band? I think so, yeah.

37:52Especially because I was shy, too. Pretty shy when I was young. I would sing along to records, but just to myself. right not in front of people so it was it was kind of out of nowhere and really i wanted to i wanted to play the drums to me that seemed like the funnest thing ever just like bang on these drums i really love rhythm and i still do but yeah i met abe when i was in junior high school and he was already like a brilliant drummer like you know at 12 years old or i don't know who you were so um so i needed to find something to do if i wanted to be in the band with everybody so yeah stefan actually he's the one who's like oh you're gonna be the singer and i was like okay and he said he actually said he's like i heard you i heard you singing along with uh danzig record or something whatever before he said you can sing and i was like like and like yeah i was like okay so it was like kind of cool that like you know he made me believe that i could sing i really couldn't i mean it was really like trial by error a lot of it you know and it's kind of still is i mean i still don't really know what i'm doing i just kind of i don't I guess just figure it out as I'm going still to this day.

38:57Have you ever taken any lessons, like vocal lessons or anything like that? I did try at one point and it was just super awkward. I probably should have stuck with it, but it was one of those things where I didn't like. And maybe it was the teacher because it's probably like therapy. It's like you have one bad experience and then you can't say that it's all bad. Maybe it was just the actual thing, but it just felt really awkward to me. It's like they were trying to teach me how to sing a certain way that just didn't feel natural to me. I've always sort of just responded sonically to what the music is kind of dishing out at me.

39:38And this is where I'm responding with this sound. So if I was thinking too hard about it, I'd be like, well, this doesn't even, it's not even fun. I don't feel like I'm naturally wanting to do. So that was my excuse for not going back, whatever. But I'm sure there are techniques that I should probably not too old to learn. I mean, I did take from that. I did take a lot of these like kind of warm up exercises and things like that that are important that I still use. What do you do to protect your voice? I know at one point you had like some serious vocal issues just from screaming. Yeah. On stage like.

40:10Well, to be transparent, I think it was some screaming, but a lot of just like living wild to like, you know, drugs and alcohol and whatever and like not sleeping. and you know and so I think I just liked whatever but I've noticed like the biggest thing for me is like proper sleep yeah lots of fluids I drink a lot of water tea and um there's really nothing I can do as far as like because I do scream and I do sing and I do it straight for you know an hour and a half two hours you know a night and physically like you you have to rest so it's like that's the main thing it's like after the show i'm usually quiet i usually go on the bus and i don't talk much yeah and i'm really like i really love getting good i sleep and now that i don't drink like i sleep really well and uh so yeah waking up and feeling invigorated and then kind of just like you know do a little little warm-up i warm up in the shower yeah yeah yeah what do you do to sort of like get yourself in the headspace and just like physically get ready to be on stage and just to give all that energy.

41:13Yeah, so music is always something that gears me up. So I listen to music, and then I also make playlists every day, which is really fun. So there's like a 35-minute time where they change over from the band before us to when we go on. So I make a 35-minute playlist that plays in my dressing room, but it also plays in the venue, so the crowd hears what I'm hearing backstage. Oh, that's cool. It's kind of neat because I kind of feel like it maybe puts us all in the same sort of frame of mind before like the show show. Totally. And it changes. It's always like a pretty wild mix of stuff, whatever.

41:49But they tell me like three, two, one, play. I'll play it in my dressing room and it'll be playing in the venue. And then I get in the shower right then. The shower sort of just like regenerates me, I think, a little bit. The steam helps with my voice. Yeah. And then I get dressed, brush my teeth and then ready. I'll do some, maybe I'll do some pushups or whatever. I have a little rolling, um, a foam roller. Oh yeah. Yeah. Yeah. So I stretch on that. Nice. Yeah. I just kind of maybe some jumping jacks and just kind of like hype myself up. That's pretty much it. And then what do you do when you get off stage?

42:22Like how do you come down? Same thing. Shower right away. I think the shower invigorates me for the show. Then obviously when I get off stage, I'm soaking wet usually. I'll just get in the shower and then, you know, put on dry clothes. And, um, usually they bring me food in because I don't eat usually like, I don't know, four to five hours before we go on stage because that's weird. But I'm never hungry when I get off stage too. So you feed me food in and I'm always just like, just take it to the bus. I'll eat it later. Sometimes I do. Sometimes I don't. But yeah, I usually call home and check in.

42:52And then I've been going pretty much straight to the bus. I'm pretty boring, man. I don't like it. It's not as crazy. At least it was at one time, right? Yeah. I don't drink anymore. So it's like, you know, I don't have the need to like go out and socialize too much. Yes. Are you like peopled out at that point? Like, do you want to be by yourself? Kind of. Yeah. I mean, I really do enjoy like the silence of just like, you know, being on the bus. And it's just on our bus now, it's just myself, Stefan, and then our assistant and our photographer. So it's just four of us on there. So it's really quiet.

43:28Nice. Yeah. watch movies, play video games, kind of just really, really relax. When you call home and you talk to family, like if you talk to your wife or whatever, like do you tell her about the show or do you just talk about regular stuff? Yeah. I mean, she always asks me, how was your show? And like my, it's like, you know, when somebody asks, how are you? You always say, oh, fine. You know, at the show, there's stuff going on. I always just say, oh, it was fine. I won't get into too many details of it. The show's having great, but, you know, sometimes there'll be a little like an audio thing or something will go haywire.

43:58Like last night we were playing a show and there's a few songs that I play guitar on that I use the RF mic on and it wasn't turned on. So like the first verse, I'm like singing into it and I'm like, oh, there's nothing coming out of this. So then, you know, tech runs on stage and he goes and he like turns the mic on. Okay, there you go. It wasn't turned on. But so like, it's like, come on, dude, 101. You got to turn it on. But I think, you know, it's one of the things where like, I think years and years ago, I probably would have like lost it, you know where yeah i think my patience is like a little better these days where i'm just like okay shit happens and um and uh kind of just laugh it off and and you know i think people understand i think i think probably back in the day i would have like maybe felt embarrassed or like just mad exactly like that's 101 what the hell i got mad about it whatever but it's like it's a mistake and yeah it was like the first half of the verse was not there but yeah and it's probably like so loud in there anyway like maybe people don't really notice you know oh i think they realized oh really yeah i think they definitely realized but you know that's part of the live experience though it's nice to see like you know bloopers and stuff like that don't you know use playback how about that one last break when we back with leah rose's conversation with gina moreno The greatest music stories aren't always in the songs themselves.

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52:27It is very 90s. That's such a good call. Like it's kind of like, has like that kids, like the movie Kids, that aesthetic or even like pre-American apparel. Totally. And it has, but like the fisheye kind of lens effect, whatever. So it's like, you know, it's very like, kind of like Beastie Boys, kind of like sort of like 90s kind of like yeah flair do you ever think back on those times like the debaucherous times they're just like oh my god i can't believe i survived that totally i had a lot of good time i mean we had fun yeah i mean you know we were kids we were probably doing what we should have been doing right i mean for the most part we were like in a rock band like you know touring the world like going places and doing different things like i was out like walking the streets in Paris or whatever, you know, three o 'clock in the morning going into, you know, different bars and meeting random people and do whatever.

53:16It was like, yeah, I mean, like, you know, let's have fun. And it was my youth and whatever. But, you know, at some point, yeah, it's like, I realized that I'm not one of those people that could just like, just like have a little bit of fun and then just like, you know, go to sleep. Like, I just like, I'm having fun. Let's keep going. And that's, I think what, like the definition of like someone who's an alcoholic, right? So I had to learn that. I don't denounce like A, I think A is great for people who especially works for, I don't do it, but I don't live under the pretense of that. Like, you know, I'll never have a drink again either.

53:48I think that's kind of helped me stay sober too is because like, I don't feel like, oh my God, I'm never going to have a drink again. Like, I honestly like want to be in my seventies sitting on my porch, you know, as an older man, drinking a beer, petting my dog or whatever. Like I can foresee that at some point in my future. But I just think like right now where I'm at, I feel good. I'm on tour. I'm out here. Like I like doing this sober. I like this part of life and doing it. But so I don't look at it as like, and I'll be all thing and you know, whatever this and that, whatever. But I just know it works now and I feel good.

54:20So I'm just going to keep doing it. Yeah, yeah. That makes sense. Living through what you've lived through, experience what you've experienced as a father, were you like extra protective because you know what's out there? or were you sort of like let your kids experience things the way that you experience things? I mean, you know, luckily that my kids haven't tested me that bad. I mean, I have good kids. I'm so lucky for that, especially my two older sons who, you know, they like, you know, and if you talk about like the parts that I'm probably ashamed about now is whatever, it's like, you know, when my kids were coming of age, like when I used to live in Sacramento, I used to have like a, I had a bar in my house.

55:02I had a tiki bar downstairs, which was awesome. I loved it. Yeah. But it was like, you know, every night, like my friends would be there playing records, you know, sitting at the bar, just drinking whatever. And my kids would be upstairs, you know, and I would like, you know, what do you guys want for dinner? Oh, we want Chinese food. Okay. I'd order them Chinese food. They want a new video game, just buy them a new video game or kind of whatever. And they just kind of like, you know, spend a lot of hours like on their own, just like, you know, doing the same thing as like upstairs, hanging out with their friends, playing video games, eating, you know, whatever they wanted and whatever.

55:33And now look in retrospect, just be like, man, it's like, and I was busy with my friends downstairs, you know, still like living, like I was on tour kind of thing. So now in retrospect, I can't get those times back with my kids when they were at a certain age where I wish I would have spent more time with them. Right. But you were young though, weren't when you, I was 20 years old when my son was personal, I was born. So I was pretty young myself. Yeah. But even in spite of that like i'm so lucky that my kids like have grown up and have been very responsible and are like upstanding citizens and you know they they work and they hustle still and they don't expect like you know just they're good they're good-hearted kid and um yeah my daughter's super smart she's like she uh she's in college and she she's in college yeah she's a she's a junior in She's going to be 21 next month too.

56:27So now they're gone. Because everybody's like, oh, you're an empty nester. I'm like, Nick, I still have dogs. I can't just do whatever I want whenever I want. The dogs are a lot. How many dogs do you have? So I have two little pugs in their rescues. They're awesome. But yeah, they're a lot of work in there. But I love it. Maybe deep down, I don't want to be an empty nester. I think that I have something to be responsible for all the time is something that I need. Yeah. have you guys started working on the next album yet oh hell no no i don't really i feel i mean the record just came out like three weeks ago two weeks ago yes well sometimes there's like stuff left over and no we do though we do have some left over and my idea would be maybe if there's like a soundtrack opportunity or something like that i think it'd be fun to go back and finish those things up if for a specific thing or something like that but um but as far as i going in to make like a complete new record i mean that's like a that's a long process yeah yeah i'm gonna enjoy like yeah just like not doing music and playing i started playing video games again which is kind of yeah i didn't allow myself to play video games while i was working on music because i just feel like if i have time to do this i should definitely have time to do what my job is so what games do you play right now i'm just i i'm playing these star wars like um sort of this platform game fall in order i think it's been out for a while there's a new one now that i but i want to play the beat the first one first so it's just kind of like an adventure game you go and there's like puzzles and stuff i gotta figure out which is kind of cool because i feel like i'm still using my brain and figuring things out yeah but uh but at the same time it's like i'm just like get me a little kidding and just like it's not music as much as i love doing music sometimes it's like it's kind of healthy i think to like do something that's not music i was watching an old interview with you.

58:13I think it was from 98 and it was from some like Dutch TV show. Anyway, you were in a pool hall and you were talking about the thing that was most important to you was that the band had longevity. And you were like, you didn't like care about the sound or the genre that you were placed in. The only thing that was important was longevity. And I was thinking, I'm like, okay, so you achieved it. Like here you are, how many years later, it's 2025. and you guys are bigger than ever, does that feel like a miracle in your mind or does it feel like it was written? Like, no wonder. It definitely feels, I don't know, a miracle.

58:53It's crazy to think about. It really is. I mean, it all happened so gradual though. I mean, obviously a lot more happened over the last few years kind of without our doing, you know? But like our career in itself, like we were never like one day just kind of going the next day we were the biggest band in the world we've always been gradually growing as a band yes we've had some like lulls in our career for sure but to look in retrospect now for sure it's like whoa like you know last night we're playing a sold out arena and i'm looking out there and everybody's holding up their camera lights or their their phone lights whatever and i'm just i'm like mesmerized by that how many because you get to notice when they do that, like how many people are up 200 yards away, like, you know, in a top back seat at a concert.

59:38And you're just like, this is insane. And seeing the demographic be all over the board, across the board of parents and their kids. And, you know, so no, even if I did say that back then, I definitely didn't expect it to come to fruition. So I'm like bugged out by it for sure. It's awesome though. Yeah. Awesome. Well, thank you so much for doing this. I appreciate it. Thank you. And have fun tonight at the show. Nice talking to you. Check the episode description for a playlist of our favorite Deftones tracks along with their new album, Private Music. And don't forget to visit youtube.com slash brokenrecordpodcast to watch all of our video interviews.

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