Melissa Auf der Maur

28:51Wow. Which had never happened before. And again, it had something to do with time past because he's also played with a lot of bass players since. And because last summer he was playing, I guess, small secret show in Montreal of like rarity songs, not with the Pumpkins. And I joined for one song for Everlasting Gaze, which is on that last record that I toured with them. And I was in that video. and it was like riding a bike i don't play bass much at the moment and it was powerful for me to just get on stage with billy play that song and feel so instantly like cellular memory alive and love it and he said at soundcheck that day when i started playing he said oh there's that feeling there's that pocket again it's been a while and and then that's why when he did the podcast he broke it down he's like well you have a very particular feeling it was the first time and he's such a muso like if there's ever someone who could describe why technically or what i'm doing he loves describing things yes so he uh he broke it down so for all the bass players listening or anyone who thinks about pockets he describes the unique and i guess not a lot of bass players have this most bass players play on the beat of the kick drum so it's like you're playing with the kick drum some people in other kinds of music are behind and laid back and that's like a space between and that's possibly in jazz i'm sorry for the super musos out there i don't actually know but some people are behind the bucket yeah and i which i guess is less common but maybe for certain rock style am ahead of the kick and i push push push push push and i had i mean i guess I just play the way I've always played.

30:38I mean, when I joined Hole, I had owned my bass for a year, and I had only played six concerts ever, and my first show in front of 65 ,000 people at the Reading Festival, I didn't make a mistake, and I just played these songs. I don't even know how. And I used to say, and I still kind of do, well, bass playing's easy, that's why I could do it. And some people are like, well, it's easy for you. Anyway. Do you find other things that are easy, too? Like, we do find discipline as an artist. Well, I'll tell you, it was easy for me to write my book. I was done ahead of time. Did you write much? Well, actually, when I quit music at 40 to become a mother, I founded an art center down the street, Basilica Hudson, down the street from where we are.

31:19And I, mom and pop, alternative art center, reclaimed 1880s factory on the Hudson River. And I managed, promoted and booked all our music festivals for a decade. So I wanted to raise my daughter in an environment that was creative and exciting. I moved to small town America after growing up at the best city in the world, Montreal. So I wanted to bring the vibrant counterculture, alternative culture to the city I was raising my daughter. So we founded this art center, Basilica Hudson, and I wrote every press release. I mean, I was promoting the whole thing. But I also, someone recently, because I've been trying to do social media this year because I was not on social media.

31:57I kind of quit in 2010. I had a blog like from 2000 to 2010. So my web people have been noting like, hey, you were writing. like that's why we're kicking off my subs duck you know next month is that i always was blogging yeah when i when i and when the blogs came when the internet arrived i started right away these diary entries which are kind of full like beginning middle end but do you do you mean them to be or do they just come out they just come that way it's like i want to tell this thing but i mean And having spoken about my father and the ease in which I wrote this book, I am completely convinced that he wrote it with me.

32:39So not only just, you know, on my shoulder, definitely writing it with me, but I grew up reading about my life in the city, the life of my city in his articles. And he has a very particular column, beginning, middle, end way of storytelling. And I think having had my childhood narrated by somebody has shaped the way I walk through the world, narrating my own day and my own month and my own decade. And I think that's why it came so easily. But that being said, it wouldn't necessarily have been easy or good. And apparently it's good in terms of writing. I mean, it probably would have found it's way too mean anyways.

33:20I love music and I love to read and so whatever. But it's very good. I mean, it's really good. Thank you. I am super proud of two things. It's so long. It's 100 pages longer than they asked me to. And when I submitted my book, I had already cut 100 pages out of this. So I now realize the sub stack will probably have a lot of the outtakes because I had to cut a ton of the Jeff Buckley story. Like lots of interesting like sidebars that I wish I didn't have to cut, but there was literally 600 pages. So I cut 100 plus pages out. And when I submitted it to the publisher, I wrote a cover letter that said, I know this is longer than you asked for.

34:04But I couldn't help but notice that Thurston Moore in Flea's memoirs were about this long. And I think there's less women in my department telling their stories. So I think we should probably keep it as long as it is. and I got greenlit the exact book that I handed in. Nothing edited. I was ready to cut. It's like we could cut like the details about my Welsh choir teacher. You know, if you're really looking to trim it down, you're like, no, we're keeping the Welsh choir teacher. Okay, great. But to the point of it being well-written, both my parents were the most, my mother is still alive and a master of the word.

34:45She's a literary translator. She lives in the world of manuscripts and has for 50 years. So like I watch her, her day is ruled by now a computer, but when I was growing up, a typewriter and hundreds and hundreds of pages. It's just so and my father wrote his articles at the bar on a typewriter. So the written word was the power of my parents, but it translated into their talking, the way they communicate. My mother is one of the most eloquent speakers of anything, culture, anything, emotion. So I was raised by good speaking people, amazing writers. and so that ended up fueling obviously some kind of like I didn't know that I had it but I managed to channel I suppose but when I had right when I had handed in the book they were psyched we were waiting for the first industry reviews to come to sort of get the bellwether of what those book buyer kind of librarian people not like reviews of like rock people who care about Dave Grohl so it was like we're all waiting of like what's what are the initial reviews going to be and I remember it happened to be around then that evan dando put out his memoir and i i was invited to go see him play i hadn't seen the lemon heads in obviously forever and i went to the show in new york city and i hadn't seen evan who was a big part of um i realized he was cut out too so like yeah i don't remember him he's not in there it's no but like there's so many people i had to like balance like how many guys in bands am i going to talk about how many versus how many spiritual visions I had.

36:17So anyhow, I ran it. I went to see him backstage before the show. And I said, congratulations on your book. And he said, Oh, I hear you have one memoir coming out. Right. And I said, Yeah. And he said, Have you read it yet? And I said, read it? I wrote it. And he said, Oh, I didn't read mine until I was doing the audio book. Granted, Evan is like proudly a mess. But I thought he was like a literary guy. I mean, he's a smart guy, but I guess he doesn't have the discipline perhaps to write. I'm sure he dictated stuff. All I know is that's what he said to me. I think it was known even I'm not busting his spot because I think it was even said in New York Times like he didn't write it.

36:55But I then went back to my publishers who I love, Hachette DiCaprio and my agents and said, wait a second, Evan didn't write his book. Tell me more. Like, well, most rock memoirs are ghostwritten. And I didn't know that. And I said, oh, shit, are people going to think somebody else wrote my book and hands down my agents and publishers and i think it translated into the way it was received said absolutely not it's too personal it's too original yes oh they'll think exactly but you we just assume right picking it up this is going to be but anyone who can get through a book or who cares about writing apparently if you read it you can tell no one could have channeled like it's because it's not just i guess my voice that i found but it is the thing i worked the hardest on, which is where the bass player in me comes out, is the arc of the arrangement in a song.

37:49It's verse, chorus, verse, chorus, bridge, bridge, bridge. It's like I built a structure of this book that reflected a song arrangement of dreamscape number one, dreamscape number two, father interlude. So I have all of these sort of interludes and then broken up by my photos. So I really wanted to be a journey and not just a literary experience. And apparently people believe I wrote it and I did write it. You've heard it here now. After the break, we'll be back with the rest of Melissa Afdamar. I just got back from an amazing family vacation in Northern California. It was the perfect reset for our busy lives.

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41:19I'm his only child. but I had just received a request from Moment Factory. You know, that's a big and immersive, you know, they're a Montreal-based thing, but they do all the Billie Eilish, like Olivia Rodrigo, everything shows. But they also have deep roots in Montreal, and Montreal really invests in their culture. Quebec, even over the rest of Canada, the government invests in the identity and the artists and the culture of the city. And so there's always something. so Moment Factory decorate the city of Montreal with installations all over the place so like for example our mini Notre Dame Cathedral which is the miniature of the Paris one Moment Factory has one of my favorite like New Age Cathedral video sonic shows some people think it's kind of like cheesy but Montreal has this really cool lo-fi hi-fi thing where it's an ancient city but it's super high tech which is why Moment Factory and all like the special effects for films like they're the the french canadian the quebecers are very very like high tech yeah but the culture is very ancient and so but there's always these interventions happening between futuristic video installation moment factory and an old place in montreal and i just as i was walking into this interview was approving the use of a quote of my father's for a moment factory video installation they're going to be doing at the montreal cemetery so the Montreal Cemetery is the equivalent of Palachaise, and it was for Canada, you know, for like old cemeteries.

42:51But it was designed by Homestead, who did Central Park. So all of Montreal is based around this giant, beautiful mountain. So Mount Royal, the Royal Mountain that has the cross. And that's the park. There's like a park. Exactly. And I grew up in front of the park. I grew up on the park. And the cemetery is on the top of the mountain. My father is buried there. and Moment Factory are doing an immersive history tour of the cemetery, like projections, dead of winter. So they were getting my approval as my father's heir to approve the quote that I don't know if it's going to be written on his tombstone or audio projected, but it is, my life has been so much fun, it should be illegal.

43:38And he had the largest funeral of Montreal history. He was completely in love with his city. His city was his muse. He gave every bar, every alleyway, every homeless person, every nun, all the love equally. And he devoted himself to that city but burned at both ends by being a journalist and basically an ambassador of the spirit of that city. And he was a journalist, but he was also like a bit like, I mean, you know, he did a bit of everything. Well, he was a journalist, of course. He started as a newspaper journalist, but then grew into radio, had his own television series, which is on CBC, so ahead of its time.

44:17Like Vice TV probably were directly inspired because those are guys I grew up with. But it's 1969 to 1973, every summer, man and a camera on the streets of Montreal asking the people of Montreal at that counterculture moment, what's on your mind? And they would just stand with a camera and speak to all the wild people in the hot summer streets of Montreal. I have all the archives are incredible. And that's what got my father into politics. So he had his own radio and then his own TV show and he met the people who are the voters who were not satisfied with the politicians. So when my father got into Montreal politics and won as an independent in 1974 at the age of 32, it had never been in politics.

45:05He wins his first election and continues to run different districts, but then eventually gets the stronghold of downtown Montreal as his neighborhood. and all the bar owners, all the little ladies, everybody depends on my father. His number is in the phone book, and you can call him 24 hours a day as like the Montreal helpline. So my father lived to be that guy that you could stop on the street and complain about your garbage pickup or whatever. And then when I got old enough and I was on the campaign trails with him and knocking on doors and waiting on election night, getting all of these, you know, wait, is he going to lose?

45:43Is he going to win? and watching this ferocious determination to represent the people of Montreal. And as a 12-year-old girl, I remember one night being so scared. If he loses, he'll be so disappointed. He works so hard. And I remember tugging on his sleeve and saying, Nick, why do you do this? And this is why he's my hero. And he looked down and he said, Melissa, because I don't trust those assholes to do this. and this is what we should all be living by right now don't trust the asshole politicians to be taking care of the people and he didn't and he had the voice of his column he wrote from montreal gazette three days a week for his whole career and it was just what's happening in montreal he was the voice of this is what and he had his morning radio slot but mainly his columns which then was a book when um after he died we put together a collection of his work and it was and that's where I get a lot of the quotes in my memoir where I bring his stories about my life through his voice.

46:46And it is a funny place that we're starting in this conversation about, but my father was a very particular storyteller in that he wrote in that format, which at the time is like the blog slash social media of the time, it's the, or Substack, whatever it is. But he just three days a week wrote like a letter to Montrealers like, hey, I'm at the bar, I met this person, I think strawberries are stupid and raspberries are overrated. Like, he just wrote whatever the hell he wanted. And he was the voice of Montreal. And I grew up, you know, with kids who would tell me, like, we read your father's column every morning at breakfast.

47:21And, like, so I—and then I was a character in the column. Like, he'd talk about what he got me for his birthday or the time we went to Budapest and he got scammed by a person with the coconut shells and he lost$100. Like, this was just—he just told his— Your dad looks at the kind of person who would be thrilled that he got scammed by a person in Budapest. Yes. And again, I was scared. Is he mad? He was kind of laughing. I was like, I can't believe. And then he tried to go back to find the guy. I was like, you're not going to be able to find this guy. Anyhow, he was incredible, but he died at my age that I am right now.

47:51Oh, so do you have the sort of typical, the usual thing? I keep wanting, both my parents are still alive, but I sort of wonder if it'll happen to me as well. But I feel like there is a thing where people sort of start to get anxious around the age that one of their parents are. Well, grief is a beast. So no matter what, death is the greatest mystery other than love, because love is throughout life, but death is over. And then it's just left for those who didn't die to deal with the mystery of what the hell. Yeah. And so I think if anything, I get tingly and weird every Easter because he died on Good Friday, cremated on Easter Sunday and buried at the biggest funeral in Montreal history on Easter Monday.

48:37So we had this arc and every time Easter comes, I start my DNA starts sort of like flickering and I start having new feelings about him. I think it's been like 27 years now or something. So it's and that it doesn't change like there was at the 25 year anniversary. I think it might have been the first time I wept like on like I just woke up. I realized this is horrific. This is it's still it's like you protect yourself from loss and grief. But what's interesting is now that I'm on the eve of turning the age that he was when he died. I mean, I have actually felt a tiny bit spooked about that. And I'm not, you know, I'm not afraid of death, actually.

49:21And I'm grateful that I witnessed my father die at the young age. I was 26 and it was the greatest gift gateway of my life to be able to just look straight on at the brutality of how, especially the way he went out. Just, fuck you. Can't live. See you later. You're such a fun person to talk to. I wish I had even more time. Do you have any other questions that I didn't answer? I have a bunch of questions. Okay. So doing Celebrity Skin, your drummer, Big Hole, your drummer in old Patty, she - Gets booted out-ish. Gets replaced by a man. Brutal. Terrible. Tragic. Horrible. And the producer is a guy who seems interested.

50:08I don't, I've never - Yeah, Michael Beinhardt. He had a reputation at the time for making hit records, but being hard on drummers. So we kind of knew it going in. Was that his agenda to get her - It's possible. I mean, the thing that's so tragic about it is that what makes Celebrity Skin great is the songs. And Patty wrote all those parts. And we worked for years writing that record. And her punk meets just the coolest style of drumming. The record is great because she wrote me and her wrote together as bass player, drummer, rhythm section in that style that is that. But the agenda for everyone, for the managers, the label, and for Courtney, the band leader, was make the most glossy, radio-friendly, ready-to-go hit record.

50:55That's what was being commissioned. And so according to some people, perfect drums, and not nuance, but then I also write a whole chapter, which you might remember, called The Rise of the Digital Soul Sucking Monster. where I discover there's a new invention called Pro Tools, and it lives in a tiny toaster, and it's leaving our fabulous, expensive studio and going up into Runyon Canyon with all these guys doing coke on computers, fixing drum and bass parts. I was like, excuse me, what is happening, actually? And so there's a whole chapter dedicated to what I saw coming. And the joke is, yeah, they wanted it to be perfect, And I described this conversation of me and this Pro Tools engineer, which was like a new specimen of human, explaining, showing me these wavelengths.

51:48Like, is that what they're called? Wavelengths? Yeah. This is your base part. Waveforms. Waveforms. Thank you. This is your base part. This is the kick drum. And I'm moving it to make it perfectly. And I said, wait, wait, wait. But he said, Michael wants them perfect. And I said, but wait, but what about the perfection of human imperfection? Are we risking losing? and what's cool though now I have to say I mean the making celebrity skin was so painful because I lost my best friend in the band she didn't die but she did disappear to her addiction for a decade after that so it was like losing her and then also just the turmoil of the pressure of like make the hit the hit and just like the fame that was rising and Courtney's miracle of becoming all of a sudden a red carpet ready like the whole transition that what happened during celebrity skin was so drastic.

52:38So there was a lot of pain wrapped in and my father died while we were making it on the eve of releasing it. So I was a shell of a human. So I have very painful associations with making the record. But 25 years later, I'm very proud that it stands very strong, again, mostly for the songwriting. And I'm very proud of my bass playing and my backups. I know there's like 12 of my vocals to every one of Courtney's growls. So proud of it. And I think it has also aged beautifully as far as authentic tape recording and slight Pro Tools intervention. So now we've gone too far. You know, now, I mean, that's why obviously everything from dance music to pop to hip hop.

53:21I mean, obviously it's a lot of it's all made of machines, but as far as rock bands go, it's very important and i'm assuming rick rubin is still making real records with bands in the room you know like that's still that's so rare now because a bands don't even exist because people can't afford practice spaces so you can't everyone's at home making their music because you can't have a drummer and a bass player and you have to have 10 jobs to be able to do anything so you can't be in the studio like in a dumpy space for 10 years i realized too you know like people used to get like even for myself when i was in band like the drummer you know drummers just have like they can't ever stop.

53:55Grummers just can't. And I was thinking about how it used to bother everybody. But now you're like, the beat to everything is the same. You're like, the beat on a song never changes. It's like the rhythm is just locked through. It's like, because you don't have like an AD person monster behind the kid. Well, isn't that also reflecting like how mono are arts and culture other than incredible artists? You know, there's always birthing of incredible radical counterculture original artists, but the general mainstream of existence is like everyone's wearing the same clothes, liking the same coffee, and doing the same thing on their stupid phone.

54:34So the ironing out of characters that we were blessed as Gen X of the beat poets of the 60s through the 90s, not to mention the 70s. You met Ginsburg. I know, it was cool. I'm looking at it. Because of the book, right? Yeah, that's a section of the book called Fellow Travelers. And it's the, I went to art school for self-portraiture, but it turns out I went to art school for selfies. And that's like a whole grid of showing my selfies I took with every, from Danny DeVito to Adam Sandler to... Never seen a Zack de la Rocha, you know, where he looks so... Young and happy. Carefree. Yeah, you know, like not burdened by the weight of whatever he is.

55:13Freedom Concert, which was an amazing show and everybody was, you know, grateful for what we have in the liberated America compared to... at the time in the great 90s freedom free tibet festival utopia yeah that decade that from 91 to 2001 that as you explained it that being the decade decades never really do start culturally like with the turn of a right but so 91 2001 you really do capture it amazingly and you explain it kind of maybe as like a thing that wasn't so great and probably in hindsight it wasn't as a kid at the time. It felt amazing that popular culture was dominated by alternative things.

55:55Alternative rock. And rage. Hip-hop, which felt very counter-cultural. Everything was counter-cultural. Video games are a big business. Skateboarding. So as a kid, you're like, life is amazing. But you kind of explain it, and I can understand it now, as a bit of a loss of something important. Well, they stole they co-opted and stole youth culture counterculture scene and now you can't even have it anymore back to this monoculture everything i mean we watched our generation basically be like packaged and our you know don't give a shit about what we're wearing gonna sound like whatever we want to sound like don't even put on makeup when i'm going on stage like that genuine just carefree original you know no one trying too hard just being yourself you know got put on to literally the runway and like j crew ads so like it went from like this cool organic thing to like mainstream and now we're just kind of like flying through like fake alternative mainstream forever you know so for me that it's a an ode to the last analog decade but it's also it's a love letter but it's also a a eulogy it's gone it's dead you know like Like that was, you know, before all this like meta meta self-reflection and likes and seeing yourself in the mirror of your phone.

57:19It was just so free. And like no one thought about, you know, that whole silly saying of dance like no one's watching. That's what the 90s was. Just do you. And we were so empowered because we were also coming out of the 80s, which was a stupid like I feel like we're in the 80s. all these like porn sephora fucking like whatever this plastic surgery crazy mainstream like girl horrific and i'm a mother of a 14 year old girl luckily she's a weird alternative looking redhead anyway so yeah i we were coming out of the 80s being like fuck that we're not gonna like wear workout clothes anyway now we are back in workout clothes selling skincare with like Like, blown out hair.

58:01And with no, and at least in the 80s, there was a, what turned out to be burgeoning alternative scene. You had the Pixies or whatever to count. Well, not to mention Robert Smith and The Cure and Morrissey and England. England just gave it. The 80s were like the dream music for me. Like, I talk a lot in the book about my love of Depeche Mode. Like, writing the book, I pretty much only listened to The Cure of the Smiths and Depeche Mode. Like, I mean, it's my particular. I went back to my childhood of like the girl who fell in love with music who then decided she wanted to find her generation's sound.

58:36You know, so I the 80s was where I fell in love with music. And it was those guys. You missed not putting that on here. So this book was written. Yeah, I'll figure it out. I'll make a playlist, actually. The Smiths and Depeche Mode that lets you know what you're here for. I wish I had more time to talk to you. I want to talk to you more downstairs just if you have a little bit of time. Of course. And hopefully we'll see you again. sign off or anything. That's it. No, you cut it up for doing this. I cut it up and do it. Yeah, of course. Thank you for having me. I was very happy. I book really beautiful.

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