Pearl Jam's Stone Gossard and Jeff Ament

30:06But this thing actually was like, when I listened to it, I was like, wow, there's something in there. And even the lyric, I think we were like, you know, probably three quarters of the way through through the last session and I was there early and Andrew had said hey hey you got something and so I played him he goes man that's awesome and it was a complete song and he said what if we just give Ed the lyrics and the band can learn the music and let Ed sort of interpret the lyrics and it took a couple of couple of rounds for Ed to sort of like I think come up with something that he was super happy about but he ended up coming up with like almost as like a dream of a dream you know it's like me telling him and then him sort of interpreting it in this almost like kind of a psychedelic way which the dream was pretty psychedelic so it was just a brand new way to write a song yeah and it was the song was written on a baritone guitar josh klinghoffer had bought us all these baritone guitars and I had it in this open tuning and had kind of written the piece in that because the dream involved an electric dulcimer that sounded kind of like Neil Young, but it was a woman playing this electric dulcimer.

31:25So you're not talking about Joni Mitchell. But it's Joni Mitchell's in the dream, isn't she? Yeah, Joni Mitchell came to him in his sleep. Yeah, we had a conversation in the dream. Wow, what'd you guys talk about? It was about a song that she and Neil wrote together, and this is that song. Wow. This is the song. But we're not going to share publishing with him about it. Have you guys ever played with Joni? We haven't. We did share an airplane ride with her in about 93 in Canada. And then when we got on the plane, I was sitting in the aisle seat, and she was sitting in the aisle seat right across from me.

32:06And I mean, this might come off as stalker-ish, but I was listening to a lot of Joni Mitchell at the time. So I reached into my CD wallet, which it was 1993. So, and I put in Blue and I put on my headphones and during the flight, I would just look over every once in a while and go like, wow. You just like stare at her and mouth the lipstick. No, I didn't stare at her. I didn't stare at her, but I was, I sort of felt like I'm in Canada and I'm listening to Blue and I'm sitting across from Joni Mitchell. so there it is crazy reverence I mean she's like one of my favorite just artists because she's I think as much because she's a great painter as as a great musician I I love that and her feel her right hand and just her how she tells stories like you know I think it it leans on jazz but it's so her because she small town Canadian girl you know I think I think I relate to that part of it too, because she sort of grew up not too far from where I grew up, just across the border.

33:04Oh, that's so cool. After 10 took off in the beginning, and all of a sudden you guys started playing with other really huge artists, was there anybody who you found yourself on stage with where you were just like, what is going on? Everybody. I mean, I felt that way about the Chili Peppers right off the bat when the chili peppers took us out just watching john fruscianti every night in chat i mean there's the way those guys played it was so much bigger than anything we'd ever heard in terms of like oh that's how you like that's how your stage can sound that's how they play the whole sound and i think we were still in our you know all the vibrations were very fast we were we weren't tuning into each other in the same way that we've learned more now to be able to do but that was an amazing experience you know seeing you know seeing neil young play with booker t and the mgs and that tour was jim keltner that was like never done yeah i mean never heard a pocket like that deep before it's like everyone was out pocketing each other it's like you know what i mean like the one was somewhere you know incredible so i mean but we've had that over and over again seeing U2 play, all those early opportunities to see bands go out and smoke.

34:27The show we played with Keith Richards and Steve Jordan and Charlie Drayton, that show was... Also, just witnessing bands play with so much space. I think that's... I do remember on those Neil Booker T, I remember just sort of listening to a conversation that Keltner and Duck Dunn were having about like, yeah, we keep... Duck would say like, yeah, we keep asking Neil, like, are we playing the groove? It doesn't feel like we're playing the groove in the right place. And because it sort of helped make Neil's songs, they just sounded different. Those Crazy Horse songs sounded different with Booker T and those guys.

35:01It just swung differently. But the space, like watching Duck and Keltner play together was like, I mean, there was four or five shows where I remember I was just sort of sitting between them, like 15 feet from them, taking basically a master class in rhythm section, you know, and going like, that's how you play on a mid-tempo song, like right there. I mean, I think my playing changed overnight from playing in those 10 shows. Neil seems like he's so energized when he's playing with you guys. Has he ever articulated to you like what it is about Pearl Jam that gets him like so pumped? You know, he called me last summer.

35:41They were mixing Mirrorball and Atmos and he was just so, he was so generous and so kind, in terms of he just goes, man, your guys' playing on this is so great. And I think I move so fast from record to record, I don't really get a chance to listen back, but I'm really listening to how you guys chose to play. And I appreciate it so much. And I hope we get to do it again. And of course, you're like, oh, can we please do that again? Because we'll give you more space and we'll be so much better than we were in 1995. After him playing, he plays the song once for us. We learn the chords and he's like, okay, we're going to record it.

36:16and then you record it and it's like done great you know it's like I was just you know warming up mostly we were just trying to remember the chords you know which of course he loves because that's how he is he's like oh that's great you know it's like which is fun but playing with Neil is you know that's a such an honor it's just like incredible you know yeah he seems so just like open and connected to whatever it is that sends him information and inspiration yeah and then he just loses his mind and then you get to lose your mind too you know it's just like playing you know three chords which is there's nothing more satisfying than being having transcendence in three chords where it's like it's not you know it's not all the years of your studying music and it's not you know any sort of science or any kind of you know anything that is rigor you know It's just literally joyful play with three notes.

37:14How long does it take you guys to get comfortable with somebody like that in the studio? Do you go in there super nervous? Or is there a period of time where you have to sort of settle in? I remember that session. I remember sweating a lot. And then I got crazy sick the fourth or fifth day. like I think that was the day they recorded uh was it even that many days how many days was it it was it was five days total but it was four days of recording the Neil songs and then the fifth day they went in and they recorded that version of I got id okay which I but I but I had I had the flu like for two days so it might have just been like pushing down the pressure and anxiety and just trying to you know in the focus and and you're in the studio with like one of your favorite if not your favorite artist ever and not wanting to let him down and let the whole session down none of us are studio musicians i mean there's people that can come in and like chart things out in two seconds like play by ear in such a way that you know lots and lots of people can do that that's never been certainly not ever been my you know so you know you're kind of trying to find the basic chords and then quickly find something that helps those chords and it was nerve-wracking for me for sure I mean half the record I because I listened to the Atmos mix after he said that they mixed it and and half the record I'm like I don't remember playing that at all wow like you know there's places where I'm moving a lot I'm like man I don't remember playing that at all do you like it when you hear it back oh yeah it's probably one of my favorite things that we've ever done and I think it's partly like that it was largely like a dream it felt like a dream because he would come in well he had two songs at the start he had act of love and downtown and then he would go stay on his boat at night and come in and i remember like the second or third day he came in with the ocean and it was like it was like six pieces of paper taped together and it was like just you know like bob dylan verse you know just like 20 verses and and kind of going like oh shit like this is going to be a lot but it was it was essentially three chords for eight minutes yeah he was just going back to wherever he was staying on his boat is that what you're saying yeah he was just going back to his boat and like you know smoking weed and fucking writing new songs and then he'd come in and go okay here's his next song you know so we were just experiencing it with him in the in that moment so he was he was just happy to have him turn into something and we were just kind of on for the ride since i have both you guys together is it okay if I ask you a little bit about Green River?

39:55Sure. How do you feel about like talking about the old stuff in general? Is it a drag? It's fine. No, no, love it. No? Oh, okay, cool. How did you guys even meet? How did you start playing together? Well, I think it's like almost 40 years to the day. Like somewhere March, April, 40 years ago, we met at the Metropolis, which was a sort of communal punk rock club that this guy Hugo opened up. And I'm not even sure if there was a band playing that night, but I was hanging out with Mark. Mark Harm. And Stone was with his friend Chris Pepperd. And Stone and Chris represented a very youthful, sarcastic Pacific Northwestern energy.

40:39And I had sort of a farm kid, Montana, not like serious energy. And I think it was like an odd, you know it was a little bit of a weird first meeting and then like within a month or two uh mark and steve were like hey we want our friends stone to play and i was like stone the guy that i met like i was like ah not sure you know about that guy and then i remember steve which is which is this is crazy because when you think about the how that band sort of worked and even part of the reason that maybe steve didn't want to be in the band anymore because we got too heavy steve was selling me on Stone saying like, he's got a Marshall and a Les Paul.

41:22And in my mind, I was like, fantastic. Like, like two, you know, two guitars, it'll be, you know, cause Steve was playing really super clean guitar. Yeah. Yeah. He had a super twin that was like really loud, but just so piercingly clean. And so I was like distorting my bass more and more, just trying to like make it into whatever I thought that the band should be. And so the idea that there was going to be a Les Paul and a Marshall. That convinced you? That won me over. What do you remember, Stone, about your first meeting? Just like a flash of like kind of outside talking, you know, outside the metropolis, you know, having a conversation and, you know.

42:04But this is at a time where I probably have been playing guitar for maybe a year and just like kind of, you know, dinking around on it. Like I wasn't a guitar player. I mean, I could play a bar chord maybe at that point so but the idea that you know that that was cool and that and that we all kind of just decided to be in a band together and that it's gone on in this way that it has it's one of the great mysteries and you know phenomenons for sure obviously of our lives but just like it just goes to show that you just you don't know where something's going to go and you kind of follow it and jeff's and i's journey with each other i think symbolized by that first encounter that we didn't we haven't always understood each other and we haven't always i i think that we see the world in different ways and i think we're in our like you know late honeymoon right now where we're just like we you know we get to see each other and we're kind of like wow this is still going this is pretty good how did this work out you know because Because it's really phenomenal.

43:09But, you know, I think us sticking it out with each other in certain ways has been one of the it's the biggest thing that's happened in my life, for sure, in terms of all the things that I've learned from Jeff and that we've learned together just by having our relationship work. All the other the community that's connected to Jeff and I through the years. It's crazy. It's incredible. Yeah, it's weird. I saw an interview that you guys did in 1990, right after, it seemed like maybe a month or so after Andy Wood had died. And you were sort of like stuck with the album, with the Mother Love Bone, with the Apple album.

43:49And I guess it was time to promote it. And there's one point, Jeff, where you're like, yeah, like, who knows, like, what we're even going to do next. And it was, I don't know, like how soon before that was, that Pearl Jam came together. but it was just such a crazy moment to see captured on video. Do you remember that time? Well, yeah. And I think about that time a lot because I think how we both reacted to Andy passing, we both handled it really different ways. Our relationship has been this slow reveal of each other and understanding each other. And I think there's a point when you come from such different backgrounds and have such different sort of chemistry.

44:35I feel like it probably took 10, 15 years into our relationship where I was like, where I really like trusted and really respected Stone, you know? And I think he would say the same thing, but I think that's been the, why the journey has lasted this long. I think like a part of me feels like, why did it take me that long? And I think some of it's like you're in your 20s And I think even moving through Andy passing, like, to be honest, like, I didn't have much of a safety net at that point. So I was like, I felt a teeny bit of desperation. Like, how am I going to pay my rent? I'm 27 years old. Do I need to go back to school?

45:17You know, does lightning only strike once? Is that over? and so it was probably the first time in my life where I felt pressure I felt real real pressure on like I sort of felt like I lost my my will or my you know the strand that I was sort of on that you know it was a little bit haphazard and you're sort of living paycheck to paycheck and you're just playing music and having fun with your friends and whatever but then there's a point you're 27 28 years old and this thing that you've sort of been working on for you know three years with my little love bone. Yeah, and you guys had gotten a deal that probably was like super exciting and like felt like you were making some real traction.

45:54Yeah, I just quit my job. It was the first time in my life I didn't have a job, you know, so. Yeah. And, you know, and Stone like hit the ground running and wrote a bunch of beautiful tracks that ended up, you know, I mean, Black, you know, I mean, arguably the best song that we've written as a band and Stone came up with that music that right off the bat, you knew that there was like this beautiful energy behind it and that the melody and the outro that he wrote like it you know it that was how he responded to Andy passing and whereas I was like I was scrambling I didn't know I didn't know if I was going to play music anymore I thought maybe I'll go back to school and be a teacher you know move back home work on the farm I didn't know so thank god that Stone wrote those songs and I was hanging out with Mike a bunch he worked right across the street from me and they were playing together.

46:45And so Mike was working me and Mike was working stone. And it's sort of like, we ended up playing together. Luckily, I live with my parents, so I didn't feel the same kind of pressure that Jeff felt as far as like, I was 24 years old living with my parents. So that's just shows you where I'm, I was at, but I look back at that summer as being like, you know, just one of those moments in your life where it's like, it's just raw and real and yeah you know they the way that things fell into place after that we started playing together we recorded Matt Cameron which is like also just like dreamlike like we'd all love Matt so much but we're like did a couple rehearsals went in the studio with him sort of knocked out these six seven instrumental tracks and then you know the process of like you know Stone had the idea like hey let's ask Jack Irons to play with us we're like we don't even have a band like that was so bold you know and then him suggesting like he goes well i know this guy crazy eddie like you know he's not a drummer but you know and so and and the how fast that all happened and like playing with dave cruzan and dave cruzan like you listen to what he played on on 10 and and those early songs like it's it informs our sound more than i think we thought at the time like dave really brought a really interesting element to the band and the groove and but it happened so fast it's like it's it's nuts you know less than a year of us meeting ed we were touring with the red hot chili peppers i mean that's like had a record out it's nuts it's nuts i was dreaming that's like saying dreams can still happen you got to just like see it and like you know take a chance jump off a cliff like you know imagine that there is things conspiring to make things work out, you know, like believing in that process, you know, and it's, that's a, that's something that you get, you know, you land on your face 80 % of the time, but then you get those 20 % where, oh shit, well that worked out, you know, like, and it's, it becomes, you know, it becomes ingrained.

48:47And I think we've been like that ever since it's the, anything could happen. I mean, we're, we've, we've been living a dream for, you know, for a long time and I think now we really are recognizing how lucky and how fortunate we are to kind of every day like be like we could think of weird art projects or side projects or anything we want you know like I want to go you know paint for a year or whatever all of that's possible you know what I mean so it's it's it's good we're we're still in the dream after last break we'll be back with Stone Gossard and Jeff Amons.

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53:39We're back with the rest of Leah Rose's conversation with Jeff Amant and Stone Gossard. You talked about when, Jeff, when you and Stone met and you sort of felt like you were coming from two different worlds. When you guys met Eddie and he was from San Diego, did he feel like culturally super different from you guys? And were you guys sort of like, oh, were music vets in Seattle? And was there like kind of like a hazing period at all when he came into the fold? no i i mean i remember i remember having four or five phone conversations with him before he came up and and all we were talking about was like not wanting to be in a band with people who were slackers like he i remember him talking about like i i want to hit the ground running and like i you know i make t-shirts and i do this and i was like i make t-shirts and like just sort of like before i even really hung out with him i sort of felt like wow there's going to be another guy in the band that's going to like be as excited about this peripheral stuff as I am so I think before he you know I mean he we had those three songs that he had sang over at that point but I was as excited about just him talking about how serious he was about it you know like that he that he you know and that was what he said when he flew up he said I want to fuck around I want to go straight to the rehearsal and I want to start playing I don't want to go get coffee or I don't want to.

55:06And so there wasn't a lot of time. We didn't really sit around and talk about what it was going to be. I mean, that first week we rehearsed and wrote for four or five days. We went in the studio on the fifth day. Sixth day, we played a show at the off-ramp. And the seventh day, we went inside the Bulls and the Sonics at the Kingdom. We really didn't talk about what it was. And he even says, when he flew home, he's like, I wonder if I'm in the band you know like at that point there was no we just weren't communicating about it so pretty awesome I think maybe I picked him up at the airport is that right so I picked him up at the airport and I think the we we said hi or whatever and I think I had talked to him maybe once or twice on the phone not not as much as Jeff but just a little bit or whatever and I think he he handed me something and I opened it up and it's like he had drawn me a picture and I maybe a little poem or something, but I was just like, I was totally touched.

56:00And that was one thing that also was evident about him is he was, he had a very sweet demeanor that was very, you know, I mean, you know, we're so used to like the back of the van and just, you know, fuck you, whatever, like, you know, that sort of low grade, you know, competition meets, you know, jokes or whatever. And he was a serious person who was really thoughtful and very like sensitive. And so he was a huge breath of fresh air to kind of just be around somebody who is just very, he just seemed very thoughtful about his process and about people around him and what he was doing and conscientious, you know.

56:39That is so sweet. Yeah. Do you think that because you both went through sort of a tumultuous start with Green River and with Mother Love Bone, that once Pearl Jam was established, did it feel more solid and stable? No. I mean, I felt like the first three, four years or five, six years, it felt, I don't think it ever felt stable. It feels stable now. Yeah. Pretty stable right now. But like literally like so much, you know, years of moments of greatness, moments of like thinking, oh, this was awesome. And had, you know, always good shows, always like transcendent moments. And, you know, but also just it's just a lot of stuff and a lot of things coming together that always that have to kind of everyone's got to be humming together or it's sort of there's always something to worry about.

57:39Yeah. I think, too, I think the moment that I stopped caring about, like, you know, the importance of me in the context of the band or that as soon as I gave up that, like, I need to get songs on the record or I need to my vision or whatever. As soon as I gave that up, which is probably 15 years ago or something, that's when it felt stable to me. That's when it felt like this is all icing and I'm just going to keep working hard and hopefully I can have some weird little idea that I can pull the band over into my little weirdness. And I have had those moments where you're like, oh my God, I can't believe the band recorded this idea that I knew was on the edge of what we would want to do.

58:22But it's also going into those situations without any expectation. Just going like, it's like, hey, I got a couple of things here. if there's anything here that works. Or I got this weird idea to do a couple of shows or this artwork or whatever this project is. As soon as you don't put any gravity on it, it's like, and when it happens, it's just like so joyful. And the stability comes with a joy, I think, really. But it's true. This is a band where you just have to let go of expectations about it. You know, and Ed is our band leader and he's been an amazing band leader. I mean, given the variety of ways that band leaders can organize a band, I mean, Ed's written, we've written lyrics, all of us individually have written whole songs, lyrics, everything.

59:09He's always been this person who's like, I'm open to it. You know, you don't get to do it by right. You know, you don't, you don't get to say when you get to do it, but it's all happened, you know, and it's all of us have sort of asserted ourselves at different times and know what that's like and know that that's a it can be satisfying and then kind of a dead end at the same time, you know, like, because, you know, there's always a reaction to every action, you know, I think, like Jeff said, the more you let go of expectations, the more stuff kind of just shows up on your plate or somebody says, Hey, I know you got something, you know, like, let's do it.

59:46Or like this record, like all of us, you know, even though a lot of these songs have been kind of bastardized and kind of reimagined and you had to let go of a lot of stuff. I think all of us individually feel like we're represented on this record better than we have been maybe ever in terms of, at least for me, when I listen back, it's like, I can hear parts. I didn't write the song, but my part that I loved and it figured out, I'm hearing it. I can hear it in the, you know, it's making an impact in the song. So it's the marathon and we're, we're, we're sort of, we're in that spot now where we can really enjoy it more because you once you get used to letting go and seeing why that is satisfactory or why that works you you do it more often you know because we could take two years off fine you know i mean like you know whatever nice yeah but it's almost like feels like you need that just to kind of reset and live life and come back and you have this like special thing that you can come back to oh my god feels like the creative itch well and just like seeing your old friends and going, wow, we still have this song, which is like literally three chords.

1:00:54And we go into a room and everyone sings it back to us. And we just experience that moment of like, oh, yeah, we wrote this song. And I like it more now than ever. And I never actually knew what it was about. But now I do, you know, 20 years later, you know, whatever. Yeah, that's interesting how songs can change over time. Oh, my God. Totally. Now, the new tour, I think you've said that you're going to be playing a lot more of the new material. Is that sort of feel like a challenge where you have to win people over again? You know, we've done such variety and such a collective set list for so long that I think our audience is ready to follow us and be part of the journey of whatever we're going to try to do.

1:01:40And I think the material that we just wrote is really strong. I think that there's not going to be any letdown between the material. And you know that on any given night or any given tour, there's always another one. So we've had plenty of not great shows. We've had plenty of nights where we were flat. And you just pick yourself up and do a better job the next day and something good happens. So at this point, I think we're all confident that we can go out and kind of have fun. And we're not out that much. We don't play that many shows. So it's it stays fresh and it's going to be fun. Do you have any pre-show rituals?

1:02:18Do you listen to anything before you go on stage? Do you eat something specific? Do you have to like do a certain warm up? Like what are you doing to get yourself psyched up for the night? I mean, I think I think everybody has a different routine and a different diet. And I certainly do. I certainly feel like if I eat before soundcheck and then I soundcheck, and then if there's some, there's usually two or three songs on the set list that we haven't played or maybe we haven't soundchecked. So then there's some woodshedding going on, and then there's a little, you work out a little bit, a little stretching.

1:02:57But we all have different sort of patterns as far as that goes. So sometimes that part can be tricky because the space is tight. So you're all together in like one room? Pretty much, yeah. Pretty much. I mean, Ed has a room that he can sort of, that he can go get away from us and sort of craft the, you know, fine tune the set list. And there's a, you know, there's like a little workout meditation room that we sort of can go in and out of. Yeah, you know, I can't really go on stage with a full stomach. and, you know, it's like I don't want to be, like, burping up onions, like, in the middle of a song or whatever.

1:03:36And I think the older you get, too, like, the, I don't know, the more ritualistic that you are about it. It's like you know it works and you know it doesn't work. You know, I think I heard, did you interview Duff? Yeah, I did. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I heard you talk about, he was talking about, you know, it's like being an athlete or whatever. Totally. he ices his legs with ice buckets after yeah yeah yeah i do i mean i've done all that stuff like ice baths for oh wow 20 years or something afterwards or whatever but but but also waking up early the next morning getting to the gym and just moving and you know it's like in the days that you don't do that you kind of pay for it you get end up getting on stage and you can't move the way you want to because you're 50 something years old in my case 61 yeah you know i i mean i think Duff just got off doing like, you know, probably a couple hundred shows in the last three years with Guns N' Roses.

1:04:30So he's had to be more than that, right? Oh, my God. They worked. Played Missoula, Montana. I mean, that's how the tertiary they got. What about you, Stone? What's your pre-show ritual? You know, I don't really have any pre-show. I think it's, I need one. I need some more pre-show stuff, I think. Yeah, that's right. Jack Black's year one. I'll watch on repeat. me and Mike sort of can't stop watching it. I'm not sure. It's something about that movie. I just can't stop watching it. But I just try to stay light and try to not get too in my head about worrying about it or, you know, and I think that's for me the biggest, you know, if I start to kind of think too much or get too inside my own head about it, that's when usually things aren't going wrong.

1:05:18So just having some lightness and just sort of easygoingness about it and feeling like it's just playing our songs and you know and just go out there and be ready and i'm i'm looking forward to this tour i want to even be lighter about it all you know because i think i've spent a lot of time worrying about it and not feeling kind of worthy of a lot you know like so there's nothing worse than having a you know a place go ballistic when you you and your mind feel like you're sucking or the band is just totally laying there and not really doing anything but the crowd it is, you know, to have like all these people pay money and be excited, you know, it's like, if you're, if you're feeling like you're not really giving them that.

1:05:57So I feel good about this new material for sure. Is there a spot in the tour that is ideal to see Pearl Jam? Like, should you go see the band in the beginning of the run, middle or near the end? Little Rock, Arkansas. Oh no, we're not playing Little Rock this year. I was second, second markets are always, you know, that to me, it's like, that's where kind kind of where we aren't, the pressure's off, so good things can happen, you know? And you don't have any, like, family or friends at the show. Yeah, it's not, you know. The best. Yeah. And you never know. It goes, you know, it's a natural cycle.

1:06:29We'll have some good nights and some nights that are a little bit whatever, not as good. And you can't predict them. Yeah. You know the old adage is, great soundcheck, terrible show. You ever heard that before? Oh, no. You've got to be careful when you go out there and just, like, smoke a soundcheck, and you're just like, oh, man, Tonight is going to be just so good. It's like, watch it. Just when that happens, it's got to watch out. Is there anything else? I know you guys only have an hour. Is there anything else you want to talk about, about the new album? I know I skipped like 30 years of your career.

1:07:03No, this was great. It was such a nice, it was nice to visit with you. And to visit with you too, Jeff. Yeah, yeah. This is our first interview that we've done together on this album cycle. Oh, awesome. We've done a lot of these together over the years though. But this is my favorite part. Like when you do the first couple with at least one other person in the band, it's when you start to understand the record. Because at this point, it's just you listening to your parts and listening to the songs and you interpreting. And so when you do it with somebody else, you just get this other perspective.

1:07:37And sometimes your unique perspective is completely wrong. So it's nice. Well I hope you have a ton of fun on the tour It sounds like you're super into the album And everyone's re-energized Yeah Thanks so much for doing this, I appreciate you Thank you very, very much Nice talking to you Thanks to Stone Gossard and Jeff Amitt For going deep on their legacy In Pearl Jam's new album Dark Matter You can hear it along with our favorite Pearl Jam songs On their playlist at brokenrecordpodcast.com We'll also include some other songs From Stone and Jeff's career Subscribe to our YouTube channel at youtube.com slash Broken Record Podcast, where you can find all of our new episodes.

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