Remi Wolf

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2:52On today's Broken Record, Remy Wolfe discusses finding her musical footing in Los Angeles, walks us through the writing of her new album, Big Ideas, and talks about her summer experience opening up for Olivia Rodrigo in Europe. This is Broken Record. Line of notes for the digital age. I'm Justin Richman. Here's my conversation with Remy Wolfe. To see the video of this podcast, head over to youtube.com slash brokenrecordpodcast. I love the Toro hat. Oh yeah, thank you. One of my favorite songs on your album is Toro. Thank you. Toro into Alone in Miami. It's a great combo. Yes, the twins, the fraternal twins.

3:32Is that how you think about them? Yeah. They were births from the same egg to me. Really? Yeah, but different sperm. The same egg. All right, that's twins. You're right. That's twins. That's genius. Okay. What makes them... Or maybe it's two eggs and then two different sperm. Let's not think too deeply. All right. I'm not prepared to figure that out. Those are the earliest songs you wrote? Yeah, those were written in kind of the first couple sessions I did for the album back in 2022 with my friend Jack DeMeo and my friend Ethan Gruska up in Montrose, Los Angeles. Cool. Yeah. Was it a writing session specifically for a new album or just?

4:26Yeah, I mean, I knew that coming out of my first album, I wanted to make a second one, being on a major label and everything. But I didn't really know exactly how it would come together. And those sessions with Ethan and Jack were kind of the beginning of the exploration of the sonic and storytelling identity of this album, I guess. um yeah we wrote we us two wrote together for like two weeks in total but they were separated by a couple months and i think within those two weeks we wrote like 15 or 16 songs so we kind of like really were what songs that made the album come out of those 15 alone in miami and uh frog rock i love i fucking love frog rock yeah frog rock's fun yeah that was the first song we actually wrote of of all of those days that was the first song of all of them um which was cool did you complete it that day or that in that in those sessions those two weeks uh the song was like written we went back and produced produced it out a little more and kind of got a little bit deeper with the production almost a year later probably um but yeah that song the yeah the identity of that song was kind of created in the first day pretty much Toro and Alone in Miami were both a little different we wrote both of those on um acoustic guitar and we like recorded the demos on acoustic guitar and then came back a while later and kind of reopened them and built them out a little bit more from there um toro is an entirely different song than what it first or like it sounds just so wildly different it was i don't think there's any guitar on it or acoustic guitar really right even in the back no there's no acoustic guitar it's kind of all like little funky electric licks and stuff like that um really bass heavy now at first it was just kind of this like almost Motown-y acoustic guitar song I remember going into the songwriting of that one I was like I really wanted to write something that felt like Motown which is so interesting that it's now Toro because it's it's uh it's sonically I mean definitely not Motown.

7:09I don't think it was clear either, by the way. It's a little different than My Girl. I mean, yeah, in terms of the content or whatever. I mean, you know, there were, there was some, Motown has some sexual innuendos going on up in those songs. Maybe they're a little bit more hidden than mine. I don't know. I'm trying to think of which ones, you know? Yeah. Probably some Marvin somewhere. Yeah. I'm sure there was some innuendo. There's some Marvin. Yeah. Um, what? Sugar pie, honey bunch? Sugar pie, honey bunch. I mean, I think he's just, I think he's just calling it sugar pie, honey bunch. But, I don't know.

7:47Yeah. Could be, though. I see what you mean. Could be. I see what you mean. Like, that could be, but I don't, I think it was more, I think it was more innocent than that. What made you, what made you want to, um, that particular day, what made you want to write a Motown sounding song? I have no idea. I, I couldn't tell you. Is that a catalog you listen to a lot?

8:11Sometimes. I mean, like, the classics, I feel like, are on my shuffle, you know, in my library. But I don't know. I think I just wanted—I think we were writing a lot of kind of folk rock stuff that week, and I kind of wanted to just change it up. And I guess when I was in college, I went to USC, Thornton School of Music, and part of our curriculum was we spent almost a full semester on Motown. Wow. And like learning those songs front to back, like replicating them essentially in our performance class. so I'd had a lot of experience kind of getting inside those songs and I hadn't done that for a while but Jack, my friend that I was writing with, went to school with me so we both kind of had that repertoire within us and I think that I was kind of just like we should do something that is kind of a throwback to Motown throwback to like that time that we spent together in school almost i mean i don't know i i said it on a whim and we kind of just rolled ran with it but um and the demo does sound like maybe closer to yeah i think some of the chords you know are kind of two five one chord progression in there which is pretty motowny and just pretty jazzy and solely um look at college education yeah man i feel i'm i'm so distant from it now that like all of my knowledge is a little bit rusty but if you had caught me when i was like 19 i could just riddle off some some theory intense theory i'm sure right yeah um now it's kind of it's kind of gone and luckily i don't it's probably for the best right somewhere back there like it's still there it's still there but But it's fuzzy, and I think I always kind of kept my actual education at arm's length, especially when going into writing music for my own project.

10:33It's because I didn't want any rules attached to what I was making, and I think school, it's really good for a lot of things, but they do kind of, you know, there's a lot of processes that they kind of instill. And some of them are really for the best, and some of them I think can stifle your creativity at times. So I've kind of gotten to pick and choose what I learned from my education that really works for me. How many people that you collaborate with now, work with now, come from your time at school at USC? Some people, yeah. Jack, he's a big one. Connor Malloy, my drummer. I've been with him.

11:23He's been playing in my band since we were in college together. So we've been playing together for probably eight years now. um i mean a lot of my a lot of my friends uh my friend danny fairenbach he plays trumpet for me sometimes you still hang with a lot of people from that time yeah yeah yeah my friend liz who i have famously written a song about yeah um she's around she's like one of my best friends yeah we're all kind of floating around i i feel like i've my main collaborators musically uh did not go to usc with me but um i mean jared solomon who's like been my main collaborator for a really long time high school since high school yeah i mean yeah we met in high school did you go to the same high school as you or just kind of from no we went to the same after school music program together and um yeah we had like a very kismet meeting where like we had the same instructor and one day we were there at the same time and he threw us both in a room and jared was like you know really good guitar player and i was a singer and he's like okay you guys should do a cover So we covered Valerie, the Amy Winehouse cover that she did with Mark Ronson.

12:50And we kind of were like both very wide eyed at each other. We were like, oh, you're good at this. And it was like equally. You're good at guitar. You're great at singing. Yeah. It was like a very mutual like, OK. and I think that like opened up a world for us at the time and then we ended up being in a band together in high school writing a lot we did like battle the bands together we like played at bars and restaurants and uh we busked together and um he ended up going to Berkeley College of Music and he was a year older than me. So I, he was gone and I went to USC. And then four years later, we ended up, he ended up coming through LA on a tour that he was on with one of his friends from school.

13:45And he ended up hitting me up to ask if he could stay in my house for a week and a half. And luckily I kind of lived in a bit of a trap house at the time. So I was like, yeah sure you can like sleep on the couch um and he came through and then we set up a little studio in my room and that was kind of the beginning of us working together again and that kind of kicked everything off and was that i'm trying to because it's funny i was looking back first of all remy and chloe i just discovered that like a week ago but the cover because i used to live in the bay okay around that time and i the cover was like a fly like i knew i'd seen that like a couple places i don't know if i got coverage in like east bay express or you're kidding at the time i was working on like calyx the radio station so maybe the cover of our song yeah the cover of that um our ep of the ep oh my god that's so funny i flashed back i was like yo i i know this cover from that's so wild yeah yeah i mean we i didn't realize i was we played we played around the bay area a lot like we played in san francisco we played in oakland we played in redwood city we played in jalalto menlo park san jose like we were kind of probably saw you in oakland or somewhere yeah we were we were we were up and down the um the uh silicon valley it was it was um that's crazy yeah it was interesting like seeing that stuff like going back and checking out some stuff you like were much more like kind of roots like your music full stylings were much more like rootsy you know it seemed like you were much more connected to and probably still are soul music in a lot of ways and and you know yeah that i mean my my musical upgrade upbringing then was a lot of Stevie Wonder a lot of like the Beatles a lot of Red Hot Chili Peppers James Taylor you know funk stuff I mean I was listening to a lot of stuff but I a lot of Marvin Gaye a lot of Amy Winehouse I mean I loved her as a kid I remember I listened to a lot of joss stone yeah when i was a young girl i was just thinking about her recently i haven't i know i was too i don't know why but she came up i don't know why she came up but she was so sick she had some great great songs and i she was really young was producing her man it was like it was those are great records i think yeah no they are yeah adele I mean, classic.

16:29Erykah Badu. I had like a little snarky puppy phase when I was a kid. It's a great band. Yeah. Tool, randomly. I was just kind of like soaking it all in. And I was in this after school program. And essentially, I was just surrounded by all these kids who were also interested in music. And we all would play together in these bands. and we would play covers we'd do like recitals and I learned so much music that way and I've kind of always been into like live band configurations and kind of the sound of like rock and live like live stuff in that way because it's it's how I grew up and I think that's such a it's still such a core element of how I make my music now it's like I need it to be real instruments or else I'm lost yeah I'm lost something's wrong um it's like it's losing part of me well it's incredible how long I want to show you this because it blew me away when I saw this it's incredible how long you've had this is I think this is you in when you're 16 17 18 Oh man The band's amazing though Okay what is it?

17:47You tell me what it is Oh god Oh I can't believe you're pulling this up We don't This is awesome Yeah You're in high school Oh my god See that? Those are my boys The kids are sick Yeah we were doing it you know That's my friend Chloe That's my friend Greg Is that Dre? Yeah, who are... The bass player's killing it, too. That's Harry Justice. He was in my band. I actually just saw him for the first time in, like, ten years, bro. I just saw him for the first time in Copenhagen. He lives there. In Copenhagen? Yeah, he's lived there for, like, seven years. And, yeah, just reunited with him, like, a month ago.

18:40And it was so amazing to see him. like he's so unchanged he's the same same dude is he doing music still yeah he's in like cover bands with like 50 year old men and stuff uh but he's thriving i mean he loves it over there but yeah he's he was really he was in my life we were good friends and um aaron villayo is the drummer he was a killer he took a drum solo in that video later yeah to check it out and killed the solo yeah i haven't seen him i haven't i probably haven't seen him since i don't know 2014 yeah um but yeah you had like good musicians around you we were yeah we were like training yeah we were we were we were doing it everybody's very passionate about it what um i was trying to figure out though where the jump came from to you know like the music you started putting out 2019 2020 that feels much less like you know just derivative like your music is so original to my ears thank you um it like but there's clear i don't know it seems like there was clearly a change in the way you started if not writing like thinking about you know producing out your songs or whatever i think me going off to school and really exploring songwriting on my own was really helpful in that process because I was kind of figuring out what chords I liked, what keys I liked singing in.

20:06Like, I started just kind of to figure out how to write songs that made sense to me.

20:16And that was just my own journey that I was taking kind of in my bedroom in school. Because to be honest, I like, I love to skip class. loved it and uh did that a lot and I would just kind of be writing in my room and or hanging out with like my roommates and jamming in my living room or like I had this little EDM phase where me and my friend Danny would go into his room and like take Adderall and like make so much EDM music and that was so crazy um i think i just i just was i essentially didn't release or record any music for four years like in all of the time that i was there 2015 to 2019 rough like 2014 to 2018 i essentially was just like silent um i did a couple live shows here and there we did a lot of house parties where we would do like covers and stuff but I was kind of just bubbling and like letting myself explore um in a way that I hadn't really done before did it feel good or did you feel kind of wayward lost because you seem like hyper focused when you're younger on I never felt lost.

21:37I just felt like I was evolving. Um, I feel like that that's one thing about me that I, I like about myself, um, not to validate myself, but I like that. I'm, I've always kind of been a person that if I set my mind to it and if I tell myself I'm going to do it, I just do it and there's like no second thoughts. And I, I just, I still am that way, even in my music, mostly in my music making of just like, I am a deep, deep believer in my, my intuition and my gut and in my subconscious to kind of guide me to where I need to go. and I've kind of always had that trust in myself since I was little, especially in music.

22:35Did that come from somewhere or was it innate? I don't know. I think my parents were always really supportive of me. I don't know if that had anything to contribute to it, but even early, like when I wasn't good, like when I couldn't like sing on pitch or whatever, I was still like, ah, you know. I got this. And then eventually, like, my abilities caught up, I think, with me. And I was kind of able to, I mean, even when it was horrible, I just had this belief in myself. Were other people validating you? Yeah. I mean, I was being validated by, like, you know, other musicians who are my age. And I had some teachers who were really encouraging, for sure.

23:24I think I don't know something vocally something switched when I was 15 I don't know if it was hormones or whatever the hell I don't know what the hell it was but I could all of a sudden when I turned 15 I was like able to sing with this rasp and like really strongly whereas like before I was kind of wasn't working as well yeah um and I think once I kind of started to be able to tap into my voice and discover the power of my voice, I really started leaning in, leaning into really singing and performing and making music because it just made me feel good. We'll be right back with more from Remy Wolf after this break.

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29:26As I said before, I'm like too controlling and I would just never be able to hold down a job, I don't think. There's some creativity flowing through. Just in the way your family existed. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I guess just talking about bosses, you mentioned it earlier, that you are signed to a major label, signed to Ireland. Mm-hmm. How did that happen? What was the process? I mean, you started putting out music in 2019, 2020, again, 2018, 19, 20. People really started liking it. At what point did labels start reaching out to you? uh very immediately which was crazy um i put out a song called guy in january of 2019 and i was it kind of immediately got on kind of this spotify new music algorithm do you know how no clue no idea and that was kind of like the beginning of spotify like the playlisting boom yeah um but yeah it got in some sort of system and was being you know fed to people on their algorithm them.

30:51And from that, I was reached out to by a couple A &Rs, one A &R being this A &R Hill that I ended up signing with at Island. He was the first A &R that ever reached out to me, which I felt was, yeah, it was like fitting and really, the signing process took about a year. And I ended up signing with him in the end. But, you know, I went through all the rounds. I went to a lot of the major labels i had meetings with um it was a very overwhelming process for me i don't know it took about nine months of me releasing music for me to really come around on the idea of like okay i think now's the time to sign um and i signed because i just wanted more support and i wanted to be able to do like bigger things yeah um like open for olivia rodrigo yeah like that some wild shit um that is wild i just got off that tour and that was that was a long tour really fun really crazy learned a lot europe is huge germany's huge oh and that's where you met up with harry justice then yes that's a cool way to reconnect with a high school friend yeah it's really really crazy really crazy set of a set of circumstances but yeah how many months was that that was two months uh 10 week tour wow long tour that's a long tour what was it i mean it's weird because in a way you you've i mean i don't know if i mean you're at least older than her so and i imagine have a little more yeah um i don't know like what was that it like the experience no i mean she is a powerhouse she like was born i think to do this yeah to do this shit at that level yeah i mean she like she gets it done and she's so consistent and it's it's it's crazy like what she does every night her show's two hours long i mean and her voice just is just crystal clear i smoke and drink which is you know not awesome for the voice but also it's it's okay my voice holds up um But yeah, I mean, I think these opening tours, because I've also opened for Lorde and for Paramore and Still Losey and Cautious Clay.

33:17I've done a bunch of opening tours in my time. they're really interesting especially at the arena level because in those rooms they're so big and you are really feeling the depth of people not knowing who you are at all um and i think that i've kind of taken that on as a challenge for myself not only to like get them stoked for the main act whether it be like paramore olivia or lord whoever it is because that's really my job when i go on an opening tour it's like i want to warm up the crowd so that when olivia steps on stage they are so gassed already someone put up i think at least pretty near complete recording of your set opening for her.

34:17And yeah, I watched it and you were like, having the audience stretch, literally stretch and shit for Olivia. Yeah, I mean that... It was like a James Brown level of commitment to the job, you know? Yeah, yeah, yeah. I commit really, really hard. And I also just like, for her crowd especially too, half of that audience, it's their first concert ever. So they, there is an element of them feeling uncomfortable because they've never been in a room like that before. So I kind of took it upon me to get them warmed up into the space so that there could be like a communal vibe, which is, I mean, to me, a show just should be a huge house party or just like a huge essentially DIY experience.

35:05I just want it to feel like you're super communal and like you're all together um want to be a hostess yeah i'm trying to host like truly i yeah man that's that is probably why i like hosting because i'm just like i want everybody to have a good time but yeah i think i learned i learned or i started really refining like how to expedite that process of getting that audience like engaged and ready really quick um and like that is doing the exercises it is like putting your hands up and shaking around and working your hips out and like singing like we do everything together and i think that it really does get people comfortable and like in themselves and and present and ready for that intensive an experience because concerts i mean they're like they're intense yeah they're loud they're emotional You're packed together really tightly.

36:05And doing these opening gigs has really helped me refine that skill. And know that it's something that I want to do for people. You enjoy it. Yeah. How long did it take you to kind of warm up to being the warm up for Olivia on that tour? When did you feel like you had to die? I'm like, all right, now I know how to get the audience. like oh I think maybe at show like 10 probably once we got to London that was maybe like show eight I think I started I started really sinking into it but I mean we did 31 shows or 32 shows or something all together for her and um I mean the show kept morphing like it's like if you you can't just do the same thing every night so I started you know started morphing it by the end of the show i was drop dropping f-bombs and flashing my tits to the crowd that was very different from the beginning of the show or of the anticipate i was going to ask because like you know you were saying it was like a lot of people's first show like concert like so did you have to tailor cut out certain songs maybe or yeah but if you're you know yeah for like for my song toro which is about having like this essentially like a fuck fest in a hotel um i mean that is what that song is about i obviously couldn't say that or i didn't want to lead with that with these like children um so i ended up saying like yo have you guys ever had a crush like raise your hand if you ever had a crush raise your hand if you have a crush right now raise your hand if you've ever been in love and then i would kind of be like okay this song is about like the biggest fattest crush i've ever had um but then by the end i would do this whole thing and i was like yo have you ever had a crush okay have you ever been in love okay who's never had a crush and never been in love like hell yeah and then i'd turn around and be like all right this song's about fucking in a hotel and uh it's funny it's it was funny too because at a certain point we were in all these countries and i realized that english is not their first language yeah that's a good point and um i was like oh it doesn't really matter it's fine i can just like say it and i think their sensibilities are like way different too than like american audiences yeah i mean europe is such an interesting it's such an interesting like market to dip your toes into as a American because I you just never it's like you there's there's so much of every country's culture that you just are never going to understand um but I was trying my best to kind of catch a vibe but it's it's it's crazy it was it was crazy um and i would love to go back and actually like be able to kind of be in those countries a little bit longer just to understand more about the people and more about the culture and what they like but um yeah i mean the audiences country to country were drastically different wow yeah just as as a collective whole like what were the differences you noticed italy loose as hell they are just rowdy as all shit i cannot even describe to you i i felt like my opening act brought down their energy i was like oh my god and those are my people so like i get it like i am i'm half sicilian like i i'm i ride i ride for i ride for them yeah um but yeah they were you could have matched their free yeah i could not i was trying really i was really trying my best i went i went hard that show i was like progressively just harder and harder oh my god and it was at least 95 degrees in the venue there was no ac wow um it was it was it was a time that was a show yeah and then like i don't know like you are in switzerland and they're very polite and they're like a little bit more stiff and then you're in i don't know if i should even say this but then you're in germany and they love an order they love taking orders oh jesus christ and then the uk is different different because you know they're we're speaking the same language still and um that's just like a i mean it's it's so crazy i don't even know yeah i don't even know how were you too much for the orderly german german audience no i don't think so i think that they they warmed up to me i mean the the hand shaking and the hips hip swiveling always work gets everyone right yeah yeah and i did this like big vocal warm-up with an A-O and everybody can sing an A-O.

41:13Yeah. So, you know, I was trying my best. That's amazing. Did you get to debrief with Olivia at all about playing those kinds of venues? Yeah, we debriefed a little bit. I mean, towards the beginning of the tour, I remember having a conversation with her being like, whoa, like Europe's different, dude. And she was like, yeah. She's like, yeah, I know. She was noticing it too. Yeah. I mean, yeah, she had done, I think she, on her last album, Sour, I think she had done a European run, and I think she, yeah. She kind of knew already. Yeah, but I had never done as extensive as a run as we just did.

41:56So it was all kind of, it was new to me, and I was kind of just soaking it up. Man, that seems like a fun build, though, you know? Yeah, it was so fun, And I watched her show almost every single night. Like, I loved the show. Yeah, it was so fun. I got to be really, really good friends with her crew and her dancers and her band. So, like, we were just having a blast, honestly. She looks like she has a great band. Yeah, oh my God, they're sick. They're all so talented. They're all women or non-binary. And they're just, I mean, I've never been in a situation where, like, it's so female heavy in the live space.

42:35and that was a really, really cool to exist in for a second. Yeah. You know, I guess I was looking at the credits for your album, new album and your other album. It does seem like a lot of your collaborators are like men. Yeah. I work with a lot of dudes. There are a lot of men around. Yes. Yeah. In general, in this room and outside of this room. Yeah. And, you know, I don't have much to say about it other than all these people that I work with are, I love them all. They're all great people. And regardless of them being men or women or whoever, I surround myself with people who I love and trust.

43:24And I work with a lot of men. I work with a lot of women. I just work with a lot of people. Yeah. Yeah. Last album and this album did some work with Kenny Beats. Yeah. How did that how did that come to be? Oh, my God. Um, Kenny, how did we meet? I think we met through an Instagram DM. Um, as most people do nowadays. True. Which way? You hit him or he hit you? He hit me. Okay. Which was cool because I had been, you know, I'd I think the cave was really big at the time and I had been. Yeah, super sick show. And I'd been watching that. And he invited me over to his studio and I just kind of went and hung out with him.

44:08And we made a song that first day. I was really shy. I remember. I think at the time I was kind of used to going everywhere with Jared. And I think I didn't bring Jared to that session. And I just remember being shy and quiet. it and then the following day i brought jared and i yeah we had two days together and then we made another song um and yeah then we've just like become boys i mean i yeah i love him and him and his whole team like are literally like family to me like i really they were like the some of the first people in this industry to kind of like really welcome me with open arms and be like, yo, we're here to like support you.