In short
Fast Money episode covers a “fever breaking” pullback across metals and AI stocks, plus stock-picking for the new year. Topic: Silver and gold drop after record highs; margin hikes by the Chicago Mercantile Exchange, options call unwinds, and technical reversal patterns are cited. Guests/hosts: Guy Adami (market commentator), Steve Grasso (bullish on gold/silver but cautious on volatility), Dan Nathan (focus on investor psychology; compares to Bitcoin), Carter Worth (chart/pairs-trade analyst), plus segment analysts Dan Ives (Wedbush tech research) and Diana Olick (housing).
Key claims
Gold strength is driven by central bank buying and “de-dollarization” (not industrial use); silver is more speculative/industrial and may underperform.
Notable examples
pair trade “short silver, long gold” using gold/silver ratio extremes; Alibaba down ~2.5% amid China economic/profit concerns and geopolitical risk, but framed as valuation-driven; Dollar General surging on staples mix and analyst target chase; GM benefiting from relaxed EV/emissions mandates; tech picks include Microsoft, Apple, Tesla, Palantir, CrowdStrike, but notably excludes NVIDIA; robotics/Serve AI highlighted.
Written by AI. May contain mistakes. Listen to the episode to check what was said.
Chapters
Tap a time to open that second in VOMetals Meltdown
0:00 to 0:22
Discussion about the recent decline in silver and gold prices.
“Mazda has been named Consumer Reports' safest new car brand.”
Metals Meltdown
1:46 to 2:04
Discussion about the recent decline in silver and gold prices.
“Coming to you live from Studio B at the NASDAQ on your desk tonight.”
AI Stocks Decline
2:04 to 2:44
Analyzing recent drops in major AI stocks and their implications.
“It hit nearly$83 an ounce overnight, but fell nearly 9 % today.”
Margin Requirements Impact
2:44 to 3:42
Exploring how raised margin requirements affect silver prices.
“What I referenced was a raising of margin requirements on silver by the Chicago Mercantile Exchange.”
Trends in Trading Behavior
3:42 to 4:32
Discussion on trading behaviors in gold and silver amidst volatility.
“So technically, you have this engulfing pattern.”
Comparing Gold and Bitcoin
4:32 to 6:26
Debating the relationship between gold and Bitcoin as investments.
“If you're going to play, you will likely want to do it in a risk-defined way.”
Central Banks and Gold
6:26 to 7:38
Understanding the role of central banks in the gold market.
“So I think to extrapolate the price action, I think it's kind of interesting.”
Carter Worth's Analysis
7:38 to 11:50
Carter Worth shares insights on silver and gold's trading patterns.
“To me, it more feels like you're seeing the money that's chasing this sort of trade just kind of move from one thing to the next.”
Trading Strategies for Metals
11:50 to 14:00
Exploring potential trading strategies given current market conditions.
“If you're looking for a last-minute gift, a barrel of oil.”
Silver vs Gold: The Trade Dynamics
14:00 to 15:36
Analyze the performance dynamics between silver and gold amidst market trends.
“And each and every time this has occurred, since 74, past 50 years, silver has underperformed gold.”
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Concerns Over China's Economy
15:36 to 17:00
Discuss the impact of China's economic data and geopolitical tensions on markets.
“Stepping out of the metals, Alibaba shares dropped today about two and a half percent.”
Navigating Chinese Tech Stocks
17:00 to 19:31
Evaluate the potential of Alibaba and other Chinese tech stocks amid economic uncertainty.
“My only my only beef with anything in China is that we just day to day.”
Dollar General's Strong Performance
22:41 to 25:05
Examine why Dollar General is thriving in the current economic climate.
“Dollar General hitting more than 50 two-week highs today.”
Future Prospects for Retail Stocks
25:06 to 26:33
Discuss the outlook for retail stocks amidst economic challenges and consumer behavior.
“Well, I think you want to broaden this thing out a little bit from these two companies, right?”
General Motors: Year of Outperformance
26:34 to 27:07
Assess the factors contributing to GM's exceptional performance this year.
“The stock outpacing competitors this year, even lapping Tesla.”
General Motors and the Auto Market
28:33 to 32:41
Discussion on GM's performance, market trends, and strategies.
“I'm going to love this segment because we get to talk about cars and trucks.”
Tech Stocks and Year-End Analysis
32:41 to 40:21
Analysis of technology stocks' performance and predictions for next year.
“Stocks closing a little lower to start the shortened holiday week.”
Housing Market Insights
40:21 to 42:00
Exploration of pending home sales and the challenges faced by homebuilders.
“Coming up, pending home sales made a big jump in November, but home building stocks continue to go down.”
Mortgage Rates and Housing Market Insights
42:00 to 43:44
The discussion covers current mortgage rates and their impact on the housing market.
“I bet you your mortgage rate, if you have one, big guy, I think the mortgage rate is probably around 3.5.”
Netflix's Recent Performance and Challenges
43:44 to 43:58
The hosts analyze Netflix's stock performance and its struggles in the market.
“We have another one coming up after the break.”
Industry Trends Affecting Netflix and Spotify
43:58 to 45:40
A discussion on the broader trends impacting Netflix and Spotify in the tech landscape.
“So you're counting crows for Netflix because they're having a long December.”
Final Trades: Investment Recommendations
45:40 to 46:48
The hosts share their final trade picks and insights on specific stocks to watch.
“There was a name that Dan Ives mentioned.”
Transcript
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1:10Silver and gold pulling back from records in a big way today. It may have something to do with the city of Chicago. We'll explain. Plus, AI, of course, the buzz trade of the year. But who made Dan Ives' list of hot stocks for next year? And which big name was left off the list? Dan is here. Plus, What is behind the backslide in Alibaba? General Motors on pace for its best year in years. And big bucks in the dollar stores. How to trade Dollar General even as it hits new highs almost every day. Hi, everybody. I'm Brian in for Melissa Lee tonight. Coming to you live from Studio B at the NASDAQ on your desk tonight.
1:50Final week of the year. Mr. Steve Grasso, Bono and Eisen, Dan Nathan, and Guy Domi. Welcome, everybody. All right, we start tonight with signs that the fever in a couple of red-hot trades may have started to break. Silver coming back down to earth after its record run. It hit nearly$83 an ounce overnight, but fell nearly 9 % today. Gold also pulling back. Gold losing, oh, just under 4%, 5%, settling its lowest level in nearly two weeks. But it wasn't just metals on the move. Some big AI stocks also seeing outsized drops recently. Names that you know. Maybe you own or trade. Palantir, Oracle, NVIDIA, and Broadcom today.
2:35Short week, low volume, no Fed speakers, but still down today. We're going to get more on technology a bit later on this hour. But let's start, Guy Adami, with these metals. What I referenced was a raising of margin requirements on silver by the Chicago Mercantile Exchange. Some people pointing to that and saying, that's the reason. What do you think happened today? Welcome. Thank you. Be here all week. All week. Not Thursday. Happy New Year. Happy New Year.
3:02Dan Nathan:That's one of the reasons, definitely. I mean, people should have seen that coming because historically, when you see prices move of that magnitude to the upside, you will see margin requirements be raised by these exchanges. By the way, it wasn't just silver. That was part of it. Another part of it was there were a lot of$75 calls in silver that were exorcised on Friday. People that were short those calls needed to cover. That took the price to$82, and that creates something called, in our world, negative whip or bad Greek. I think that was part of it as well. And this was just, in terms of technically, you had basically in one of these reversal days where you had a higher high than the previous day, a lower low than the prior days, and you closed lower.
3:42Dan Nathan:So technically, you have this engulfing pattern. It all lined up on Friday into the weekend. Now, the next question is, is it over in terms of the selling? I don't think so. But the real question is, is the move higher over? And I don't think by any stretch of the imagination it is. I think this is just a pause to a larger move higher. That's it. Steve Grasser, you know, the bulls that have been out there in gold and silver, they looked at today and said, you know what? Now I can get it for 9 % cheaper than I can get it yesterday if it keeps going higher. What do you think? If you look at these, the biggest updates, the 10 to 25 biggest updates historically are followed with a 20 % drawdown.
4:15So you're going to have some time. You're going to be able to get it cheaper. These things have run so far so fast. I still believe upside is still there. Yeah, I mean, I tend to agree, although I'm with you closer to the 20 % drawdown rather than looking to get in right away. If you're going to play, you will likely want to do it in a risk-defined way. But I do have some concerns when I start to see silver and gold have moves like AI complex names. I mean, that is somewhat concerning. I think any time you start to see an increase in margin, whether it be on the downside or the upside, it is somewhat indicative of things getting away from there.
4:52We argued about fundamentals or whether or not there is a fundamental case to be made a bit on Friday. But when you start to see these outsized moves and that. What happens if the silver move is based on what you just said, the AI move? Because obviously it has a use case in industrial. I'm sorry to take you off your train, but continue on that path. when silver has the industrial use. I do think that it is somewhat a tertiary way of playing the AI market. We've seen AI, we've seen data centers, we've seen the chips, we've now seen utilities, and now we've seen that follow-through into silver.
5:25I do think it does have something to do with that. But all of that said, you are starting to see, even though you have seen somewhat of a bleed-off in some of these AI names, the day-to-day volatility that we're seeing in silver is somewhat, it reminds me somewhat of what we've seen previously in some of the snowflakes or the cloud flares, et cetera, in that space. And I think that type of price action is concerning. And I would wait for that volatility to die down before I would be looking for Ria Selvig. Because Bono and I were here on Friday. I know you guys are home watching or listening, so thank you for that.
5:56On the radio. And as you listened, you would have noticed that we had this polite discussion. Silver, yes, it has a use case as an industrial metal. Gold really does not. and gold also moved up. Did it feel like on Friday or the weekend, Dan, at all to you that there was almost, I think your point is panic buying in a weird way?
6:18Melissa Lee:I don't know. I mean, I talk to a lot of investors, as all you guys do. I just don't hear much about silver or a whole heck of a lot about gold. When you think about gold, people tell you, yeah, I have 2%, 3 % of your portfolio in that. So I think to extrapolate the price action, I think it's kind of interesting. It says something about investor behavior or psychology a little bit. I tend to look more at what's going on with Bitcoin right here. And we've been talking about gold for a long time. Guy has been pounding the table since it was 2000, maybe probably earlier. And so you have this sort of move.
6:45Melissa Lee:You know, gold did have this sort of stair step. It never really felt like it got really squeezy the way silver has of late. But the flip side of this with the U.S. dollar or the index, the Dixie, trading the way it does. I mean, it really feels like it wants to make a new low over this period that it's been in over the last couple of years or so. And I look at, like, let's say Bitcoin, which is nearly a$2 trillion risk asset. And there was a time that this was very correlated to the Nasdaq. That correlation has broken. We've also seen, you know, what's supposed to happen with gold and the dollar weakness.
7:16Melissa Lee:Well, Bitcoin hasn't been doing that either. And so to me, when you talk about the fever breaking of some of these trades, it feels like to some degree people have taken their, you know, the foot off the metal or the pedal or whatever you want to do with that thing and really started to look around for some other things that are moving. And so maybe that is this metals complex. But again, I can't sit here and tell you that there's a fundamental reason for it. To me, it more feels like you're seeing the money that's chasing this sort of trade just kind of move from one thing to the next. Maybe we back it up, Guy Adami.
7:47Great call on gold by you. Continues to be, even with today, because you're still way, way up. Who do you think were the buyers of gold and silver lately? Are they the gold bugs? Silver's its own animal. Are they the people Bottle is referring to that were trading Palantir and now maybe decided to shift to silver?
8:03Dan Nathan:Some of that. I mean, I think there's some of the Bitcoin crew probably found its way into silver. I do think, to Steve's point, there's an industrial use. We've talked about that for a while. In terms of gold, it's not about people going to Costco and buying their tenth of an ounce or an ounce or whatever it is. I mean, that's not what's driving this. It's been for the last five years central banks buying gold in record amounts. And that didn't change this year, and it's probably not going to change in 26. And to me, listen, gold's a commodity in name only. There's really no end use other than jewelry.
8:30Dan Nathan:It's a commodity in name only. However, central banks have been hoarding in ways that we have never seen before. They are playing with damages talking about this de-dollarization and they're finding their way into gold. That will not abate. And today's price actually did nothing to change. My think about it. Russian assets were frozen years ago when they invaded Ukraine. So how did they circumvent that with gold? And they circumvented that with buying up gold and giving it to countries that didn't have banks that were sanctioned. So they had an end route to buy weaponry. So that's where it started.
9:04And other central banks are just doing the same thing right now. I should have asked for this chart prior to the show, everybody. So I apologize. Rex F and EC can make it for you. We should have a chart of they can. They do a great job. Bitcoin versus gold, because what else has happened, Bono, in the last couple of weeks is Bitcoin has gone down while gold and silver have gone up. And I also do wonder, is it that buyer again who said, I'm done with Bitcoin for now, but I'm going to buy what some people would call the digital gold or real gold, whatever it might be? Or no. It's tough for me to kind of pair, aside from them being supposedly just a digital and physical flight to safety, that perception, drawing the parallels between gold and Bitcoin, to me, I think is a bit of a stretch beyond that.
9:53For one, there's endless supplies of gold. And by design, there is a constraint around Bitcoin. So I just I think it's hard. Well, just that fundamental difference makes it hard for me to kind of compare the two. I just think that when it comes to Bitcoin, you are going to you have seen and you will continue to see these massive swings, changes in sentiment, drawdowns and then rush into this particular asset class. So, you know, seeing the gold move from$125 ,000 to$87 ,000, yes, that seems like a pretty precipitous fall. But it wouldn't be the first time that we've seen this thing go from$100 ,000 back down to$40 ,000 or$50 ,000 only a couple years ago.
10:34So I think if you're going to be invested in this type of digital asset, you're kind of geared up and comfortable with that type of risk. I'm more surprised to see the type of moves that we're seeing in silver and gold because I don't think they should be trading like a Bitcoin. It's also platinum and palladium, too. It's not just even silver or gold. There's supply deficits in all of those markets, except with the exception of gold. So 200 million ounces of supply-demand deficit within silver because of the industrial use and because of basically 70 percent of all silver that's used is mined through copper and other precious metals as a derivative.
11:10So there's real supply-demand issues going on there. And I agree with you. We're going to get to Carter in just one second, Steve. Steve, the only thing I would push back on a little bit is that then why would gold keep going up when, to your own point, gold does not have an industrial use? Geopolitical, emotional, everything that guy's been mentioning for years. So there's a whole different sense of worth that when you have central banks, the United States outnumbers their supply of gold by more than two and a half to one, basically, of every other country. China's stockpiling it. Russia's stockpiling it.
11:40So you've had this mad rush into gold for a host of reasons. None of them are industrial, but all of them still could push the price higher. Still higher than the price of a barrel of oil, and I said it on Friday. If you're looking for a last-minute gift, a barrel of oil. As opposed to? Silver. It's too expensive. All right, let's get more now on the metal pullback. Strip out, strip out the emotion. Look at the charts, and for that, who better than Carter Worth? He put out a note this weekend with a pairs trade saying maybe you short silver and go long gold. The chart master joining us now with what appears to be some gold on the wall behind him.
12:19What are you looking at, Carter? So, yeah, over the weekend, obviously, and over the past several weeks and then, of course, several months, the spike in silver is getting more and more extreme. And if you look at silver not only on its own, but in relation to gold, the extreme reading is one of the most excessive seen in the past 50 years since gold and futures trading began in 74. Let's look at a few charts and a few tables and try to figure out the way forward together. The first thing we know is that it is simply a ratio of these two highly correlated assets. And in April, one ounce of gold bought 107 ounces of silver.
13:02Now, as of today's low, one ounce of gold bought 55 ounces of silver and closed at 59. Interestingly, the long-term average going back to the 70s is about 60. And so we have returned to the average. But when you get this extreme oversold, and we'll look at it in the charts next, Next, you play for a bounce in the gold-silver ratio. So let's look at three charts. They're all identical. And this is, again, depicting not gold and silver, but gold's relative performance to silver. And, of course, you see the plunge of late. In fact, again, having gone from 107 to as low as 55 today. And then this key reversal, which is very important.
13:47Next of three identical charts, you'll see where the ratio is in relation to its moving average. And on this iteration, you'll see that we are quite far below. And then the third and final chart, you'll see arrows which annotate the 13 other times that we have been this oversold or this extreme in terms of where we are in relation to the 150-day moving average. And each and every time this has occurred, since 74, past 50 years, silver has underperformed gold. And in fact, silver is down on absolute basis three, six, nine, 12 months later, every single time except once. And so the bet here, at least that was the thought over the weekend, sell silver outright.
14:38Right. Or if one wants to be a bit more cautious, put on a pair being short silver and long gold. Interesting trade, too. And I go back to the margin stuff. 2011, I believe it was raised. Silver fell. Nineteen ninety. The Hunt brothers tried to take over silver. It soared. Margin requirements went up. Silver fell. Would seem to fall in line with the charts. Guy, Dom, you have a take on that ratio.
15:04Dan Nathan:I like the pair trade. I think he's spot on. I think there's probably another$7 to$10 lower in silver before it gets back on its horse. But gold, for the reasons that we stated earlier, I mean, nothing has changed other than the price going down a couple hundred dollars today. But the fundamental story of gold is still intact. The speculative nature around silver is washing out a little bit, but silver will get back on its horse. But gold over silver right now is absolutely correct. Gold over silver. All right. Fundamental case and the chart case. Carter Moore, thank you very much. All right. Stepping out of the metals, Alibaba shares dropped today about two and a half percent.
15:40There are some growing concerns over China's economy. Data over the weekend showing industrial profits in China fell more than 13 percent in November, faster than the prior month's date. The government also announcing plans to boost spending to support consumer demand. You had Tencent, Timu's parent company, Penduo Duo, PDD, Guy Dami, and a few others also ending in the red. And of course, I have to note that China's planning these sort of naval war games around Taiwan, which I don't blame people for being, at least today, a little bit nervous about China.
16:12Dan Nathan:Well, that should be an existential risk, not only for China, but for the global markets as well. I mean, if you go back, it was Jensen Wang, I think, a year and a half or two years ago, said the one thing that kept him up, or I'm paraphrasing, is the China-Taiwan situation, which each and every day seems to sort of escalate a little bit. That's been a concern for a while. But if you've only been concerned about that, you've missed a huge move in the markets. With all that said, I mean, all these China stocks seemingly topped out in the fall. You started to get some rhetoric around China. You had, I think, people talking about Alibaba here in the United States as basically being some subversive group.
16:46Dan Nathan:And obviously that didn't help. And now it's manifesting itself in some of these news. I think Alibaba is cheap. I thought that$10 ago. I'll say it now. And I think when people wake up to all this, they'll realize it's valuation alone. Some of these Chinese stocks are very attractive. Fair enough, Dan. My only my only beef with anything in China is that we just day to day. It's hard to know what's going to happen with the economy because we could have some kind of Taiwan issue. We could have leadership change. You just don't it's not transparent.
17:15Melissa Lee:Yeah. I mean, we know the economy is weak over there and they've been telling us the data has been telling us that for years. I mean, pre-COVID in a way. And so they have this deflationary problem. We have an inflationary problem. I think that we wanted to slap a bunch of reciprocal tariffs on them because of fentanyl. And I think the Chinese are acting like they won the trade war. They got rid of the reciprocal trade tariffs. They know that we need to sell them soybeans. We need their magnets. We need the rare earth. So we have this little daytime. We also would like them to buy our chips. At least that's what's going on with the GPUs and the NVIDIA.
17:47Melissa Lee:And they basically put on some import bands for all intents and purposes. So where we are with the China-U.S. thing, it's not so clear. I mean, where we are with China-Taiwan, I don't think that anyone thinks the likelihood of that happening anytime soon is particularly good. But I bring up the point about who won over this last year. If the Chinese are doing exercises in and around Taiwan a few months before Xi and Trump are supposed to meet, I think that's showing a little bit about how they or how confident they feel about this little situation that we're in as it relates to trade, but also from a military standpoint.
18:23Yeah, flexing a little bit. And I don't want to pile on China, Steve Grasso. We're looking at the EWH, which is a Hong Kong iShares ETF. You can look at the FXI. They're up 26 % and 28 % this year. You made more money if you own big China technology stocks this year than if you owned the S &P 500. It's not if. It's when they're going to have change of leadership in Taiwan. The 2027 is the 100-year anniversary of the People's Liberation Army. People have stuck out on that. And I think Guy and I have used that surprise of the next year. I've picked it. He's picked it as a surprise. I'm surprised it hasn't happened yet.
19:05It's going to happen. That's the risk that you have with buying these names now. But I do believe there's some value in them. You're starting to get close to this 50 % retracement from high to low on the year. So, you know, you may. On what? What are you looking at? Sorry, on BABA. On BABA. So clearly, from a technical standpoint, for a strategic entry standpoint, that starts to look interesting. I think the situation really, though, is that it's somewhat of the perfect storm. We've all talked about the geopolitical risk. You've seen some of this seem come out of the AI trade. And there was a lot of positive sentiment around cloud, AI features around Alibaba.
19:43And so I think that that confluence of events has kind of made it a bit tough as of late. I think once you kind of get through that transitory period, you'll look back and start to pick your spots in terms of where you want to reenter the stock. But the truth of the matter is the fiscal stimulus narrative has been there for quite some time. And until you start to see some follow through from the investor side, I think it's kind of a show me rather than tell me type of situation. And so until I think that kind of follows through, that's when you're going to probably get your trigger to to get back into.
20:13It was a good discussion. And by the way, analysts wildly bullish on Alibaba stocks at one hundred forty eight and change the median price target to oh three. So now analysts reserve the right to change their mind all the time. And they do.
20:26Dan Nathan:They do often. They do. You know, as we've talked about, we play this game here. What's that, Dan? The anagrams? Yeah. Which, by the way, we have to all come up with a new one shortly. Fun game. It's a fun game. And what did we come up with? Alibaba and ABBA. That's the genius of this show. That's what we did. Well, it could be. But ABBA doesn't really work because it's not really a word. I used tube this year, as you know. Never say that in Stockholm. All right. On deck. We're going to hit the general. Dollar general. It drove higher. We're going to find out why and what to do with it now. Now, plus GM stock.
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23:03Dan Nathan:Why? What are you looking at? Well, technically, and we can go back to 2015, 16, 17, we traded down to the 68 level recently. Those were the same lows we made a decade or so ago, and we held. That was really important. We actually flagged that earlier this year. Then it started to get on its horse. Then you got an earnings beat. Then you have analysts starting to come around and, hey, wait a second. Maybe the stock is too cheap, and maybe they shouldn't be in the penalty box along with Target. And now you're seeing what's happening. The average price target, according to FactSet, believe it or not, is exactly where it closed today.
23:33Dan Nathan:So what I think you're going to start seeing over the next couple weeks is analysts start to chase on the upside. So I don't think the move is over. I think there's significant upside left in these names. And plus their product mix. They sell 80 % of their products are staples. So you have essentials. and their cheap essentials. And in this day and age where tariffs made everything else more expensive, they really usher a lot more consumers in. When you look at these stocks, you look at Dollar Gen and Dollar Tree. Dollar Tree had that. Both rocking, by the way. You don't want to leave out Dollar Tree.
24:01It's up 31 % in three months. Yeah, but when you look at it on a year, this one has grossly outperformed. Dollar Gen is up 81%. The other one's up 65%. But one's a general, one's a tree. But they've both killed it. But when you look at what the past is for Dollar Tree, they took over or bought family dollar 10, 12 years ago. That seems like a mishap for them. They've had store closures. They don't have the same product mix as Dollar Gen. I would pick Dollar Gen still. Well, I think this has been a beneficiary of the K-shaped kind of recovery, right? And we were worried about economic growth. We got a GDP number that knocked the cover off the ball, a la Sammy Sosa, 10 years ago.
24:47Good reference. But I'm really wondering, if we do indeed thread the needle and have this soft landing, Goldilocks scenario, will the momentum behind this name continue? That would be the one thing that concerns me here. Yeah. So I think basically in the short term, they've both done well. But to your point, for the year, one's Barry Bonds, one's Sammy Sosa. So ultimately, only one can win. Right. And that one is going to be bonds. Well, I think you want to broaden this thing out a little bit from these two companies, right?
25:16Melissa Lee:And so we've been talking about Walmart and the trade down that we've seen over the last few years or so. And obviously, that's a period where inflation, while it is becoming more muted, on a cumulative basis, is still very high, right? And so if you look over the last month or so, we saw Kohl's have that huge beat and raise. Stock gapped up in one day, I think 40 % or something like that. That was Thanksgiving week. And you've seen this across some other names like this that you might associate with a mid to lower end consumer. Now, the flip side of that is Costco can't get out of its own way.
25:47Melissa Lee:And Costco has been making 52 week lows as Walmart has been making 52 week highs. If you just look at it over the last month or so, at some point, I suspect you're going to see a little bit of convergence in that. But to Bono's point about this GDP number and the unemployment number, they're kind of seem to be at odds with each other. The higher unemployment goes, though, I suspect the more that you see demand for these sorts of, you know, the I guess the items that are sold at these stores. And that should obviously buoy the stocks. We're not going to do it now. And Karen's not here. But Target, Target has been another hot stock the last couple of months.
26:20It's up 10 percent. All right. That's a sound of a rapidly moving deal. I mean, good for Target. Maybe not in the Adami household. It's still down 27 percent year to date. Sorry. There's a lot more fast money left. There is a lot more fast money to come. Here's what's coming up next. The wheels keep on spinning for GM. The stock outpacing competitors this year, even lapping Tesla. But can the drive higher continue? Plus, a big year for big tech. But who will carry the group in the new year? A top tech analyst lays out the names he's standing behind. And the one-time darling that didn't make the cut.
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28:26After all, you listen to this show. See terms at discover.com slash credit card. I'm going to love this segment because we get to talk about cars and trucks. General Motors, that stock put on a tear this year. It's up 56%. GM is on track for its best year since coming out of bankruptcy in 2009. Cash for clunkers, anybody? GM is now trading at all-time highs. It is handily outperforming its rivals like Ford, Toyota, and even Tesla. The question now, though, is if you own it, Steve Grasso, what do you do? I mean, they sell an awful lot of cars. They sell an awful lot of trucks. They sell an awful lot of SUVs.
29:07The Trump administration— $100 ,000 Tahoes for everybody. Exactly. They are expensive. But the Trump administration relaxed fuel standards, relaxed emission standards, stopped the EV mandates. So I think the market is just truly balancing out the headwind that they had for the last couple of years and turning it into a tailwind. They chose ICE over EVs. I think the trade probably should maybe stall, if you will, a little bit. But I think ultimately it goes higher.
29:36Dan Nathan:Sorry, go ahead. Stall? Yeah, you saw that, right? You caught it. But Brian's immersed in something else. He's locked in. I'm not going to acknowledge that. We mentioned a few weeks ago that you're probably familiar with. That would be BorgWarner BWA. Yes, it's an auto parts company. It's also the namesake of the Indianapolis 500 Winners Trophy. Which, as I just said, you're familiar with it. Throw up an eight - or nine-year chart of this sucker, and you'll see this 48 level was huge resistance in 2017. We traded up there again, I think, in 2022. Here we are sort of knocking on the door, and I think BWA is the name downstream that if we break through 48, it's got a lot of runway to the upside.
30:15Dan Nathan:You know, BorgWarner does. That's the same. Are you bullish on all the automakers? I said BWA. I said we mentioned it the last few weeks ago, and you said it's not only that, it's the recipient trophy in an Indianapolis 500. But I'm asking a new question, which is are you bullish on all the auto parts companies? Specifically BWA. Why? Just because this is one I happen to look at. Genuine parts is one I think people talk at. Look at BWA is the one I've been focused on recently. The one thing I would add is that GM, not that I care what analysts have to say, but I do care, and GM is at its analyst price target.
30:49Melissa Lee:So either Wall Street has to move or not. Wall Street will move because they always chase a little bit here. One of the things I think is interesting that we got rid of these EV credits, right, these tax credits at the end of Q3. And if you look at how Tesla has traded since then, if you look at how Rivian has traded since then, they've traded very well. And on the Rivian front, you know, they introduced this AI trip. They've underpriced, you know, Tesla's relates to self-driving or at least their kind of, I don't know, super-survise self-driving, whatever you want. They price it at$2 ,500 versus Tesla at$10 ,000.
31:22Melissa Lee:So it seems to be that, you know, the auto business maybe is something that for at least these EV companies where you see a transition to autonomy, you know, this is something that maybe these stocks are trading on. I think Rivian is a clear example of that. And that's a fascinating point. I mean, Rivian, we don't talk a lot about it. It's over 20 bucks a share. It was sitting around 12 to 14 forever. It's really broken out. Are you surprised by that, given the change in the tax credit? They miss their deliveries, you know, year on year. And they lose a lot of money. They have a lot of cash. They have some big shareholders not going to let it go down.
31:53Melissa Lee:They have good cars. And I think that, you know, we've been talking about full self-driving for a while. Elon has shifted the conversation more towards autonomous ride share. But maybe, you know, Rivian's got something. They're operating off of a very small base as far as cars that they're making and delivering. But they make good cars. All right. Coming up, technology in the red today. Some of the biggest names seeing some losses. But listen, light week, low volume. Guess what's happening? Dan Ives is going to be here. No. I can see him just on. He's here in person in a, I think it's a peach colored jacket, mango, McLaren, papaya, whatever you want.
32:29He's going to give you his top tech picks for next year. Guy Domi can't control himself. We're back right after this.
32:40All right, welcome back to Fast Money, everybody. Stocks closing a little lower to start the shortened holiday week. The Dow fell 250 points. The S &P 500 down about three-tenths of a percent. The Nasdaq down about half a percent. But keep in mind, low volume, no Fed speakers. New Year's on Thursday. Go figure. All right. Oil, though, a little higher today. Settled up more than two percent, but oil still down nearly 20 percent this year on pace for one of its worst years in years. In fact, worst since 2018. So worst in about seven years. Lululemon also on the tape responding to founder Chip Wilson's proxy fight and plans to nominate three independent directors to Lululemon's board.
33:20Lululemon saying it will evaluate the nominations as by the way it's legally obligated to do. Meantime, a batch of technology stocks under pressure as we wind down the year. Oracle, amongst the bigger decliner, shutting about 30 % over the past two months. Meta, Broadcom, NVIDIA even kind of stuck in a little bit of a holding pattern the last couple of days, though. And, Dan, you flagged some of this weakness for us.
33:47Melissa Lee:I mean, there's a way to look at this, and you broaden it out, that it's maybe bullish for the market. You know, if you look at Apple, Amazon, Meta, Microsoft, Tesla, they're all underperforming the S &P 500 year-to-date, right? And then if you look at some of these other names, Mac was talking about this on the prior program. You know, you've seen storage. You've seen memory. Some of these things have kind of joined the party. But maybe that's kind of late stage if you think about the enthusiasm in and around the trade. Maybe we've gotten to a point where there is some skepticism about the ability to continue this CapEx at the pace, despite all of these companies that just guided that CapEx higher.
34:21Melissa Lee:So, again, you know, to me, I think it could be viewed as a bullish thing that you're seeing a broadening out away from some of these names that have been huge, huge contributors to the growth of the S &P 500, not just on earnings, but also performance. All right, in the meantime, Wedbush Securities today, out with its top tech names to own into next year. Among them, Microsoft, Apple, Tesla, Palantir, CrowdStrike. One name that you're not seeing on that list, NVIDIA. Dan Ives behind the call. He is the global head of technology research, And I have to issue the biggest correction in the history of my career, which is now that you're in the light, that jacket is not McLaren papaya.
35:01It is, I would dare say, peach. Look, I mean, I'll take both sides. Again, you never. That vital correction now aside, why is NVIDIA not on your tech names to own next year, Dan? Yeah, well, it's still, I mean, still in our lives, AI30, a top tech team. But ultimately, to me, in terms of the five that stick out, it's really about how do you play the AI revolution on the hyperscaler? How do you play it on the consumer in terms of Apple? How do you play it on enterprise with names like Palantir, CrowdTrack, CyberScore? Brian, I view it as like NVIDIA. There's only one godfather of AI. Jensen will see him next week at CES.
35:39But the derivatives, the second, third, fourth, just starting, which is why we're so bullish in tech.
35:44Dan Nathan:You're in the Hall of Fame. Regardless of color, although Oscar Piastri just emailed me and mentioned that he actually thinks the color is a McLaren papaya. There you go. With that said, what is Palantir, what do their revenues need to be? They're going to do$6.5 billion of revenue next year to justify a half a trillion dollar valuation, in your opinion. Yeah. Look, I mean, to me, and we've talked about it a bunch, it's that it's ultimately it's the it's the commercial business that I believe could ultimately be two, three billion. When I see it playing out, I mean, I think when you actually do the trajectory here, I think numbers where you see for Palantir in 2026, I think they ultimately double over the next three to four years.
36:29And it speaks to the point, super expensive stock today, but I just view it, I think it's a trillion dollar valuation in the next two or three years as the AI revolution plays out. So everyone knows you for these marquee names. And when you go into CES, what I always look at are a portfolio of names that are going to shock people, something that shows up. If you search anything with CES, you'll see robotics come up. What are the names you meet with everyone, both private and public companies? What companies are going to, A, be there and have impressed you already? Yeah, I think when it comes to robotics, I think maybe like an off-the-radar name that we're bullish, Serve, like Serve AI.
37:10When you look what they're doing on robotics on the delivery side, what I view is actually true autonomous playing out. They'll be there front and center. And look, Steve, to me it's really like the autonomous is going to be front and center here. It starts with what Jensen's going to lay out. But this speaks to autonomous robotics. Robotics is going to be key to what I view as one of the and that's one of the core names.
37:32Melissa Lee:All right, Dan, talk to us about RPOs. It's not the run pass option. This is remaining purchase obligations here. Not something that I think a lot of folks were talking about too much until this summer when we saw, you know, that huge open AI contract with Oracle. And a lot of investors were really excited. And, you know, as an analyst, though, you see this big number, right? you see a$500 billion purchase obligation. How do you think about that? It's not in your numbers, right? But it helps kind of formulate how you're thinking about future revenue. To me, the market called BS on this with Oracle.
38:04Melissa Lee:And how do you think about it? Is this something we're going to see? Maybe some of these contracts not come to fruition. Look, and I think we sit here a year from now. I think actually one of the names that's going to stick out is sort of the renaissance that's going to happen in Oracle. Because to me, when I look at what's happening, where they play from the stack play, where they play in terms of AI revolution, I think investors are wrong to call out that this RPO, what I've ultimately realized, a reacceleration of growth, that's going to go from 18 % to 30 % to 45%. I think 80 % and 90 % of that gets done.
38:41So to me, would I take out 5 % debt if I had 100 % chance to ultimately do what they could do? Yeah. And I think that's what they're doing. And I think that's why Oracle, to me, right here, it's a 78-hour upside, 15-hour downside risk-reward. All right. The risk-reward certainly skewed to the upside. Dan Ives, always love seeing you. Great to be here. That's a beautiful peach-colored jacket. Dan, thank you. Bottom one. Well, listen, I think Dan has always been on the front and center in terms of seeing what people can't see. The thesis that's not necessarily within the numbers as you see them to date.
39:19And I think when it comes to robotics and AI, and now we're kind of seeing the transition to inference as kind of signaled by NVIDIA's purchase of Grok. Or, sorry, licensing of Grok. Let me make sure I don't use the wrong word here. I think he's kind of stayed on the forefront there. I think the case for Oracle is a little bit tougher for me to get my head around. But I can see a scenario in which you look up six months, a year from now, and you say, my goodness, that really would have been an awesome opportunity for me to kind of pick up this stock after it completely roundtripped. And then it's trading to a discount to where it had established itself prior to the debt concern.
39:54So, listen, I think he's been on top of it. I have long kind of pushed back. I think a lot of us have against the Tesla narrative. But that has proven to be right. And the fact that it's now being valued as a robotics company, a self-driving company. And we talked about GM earlier, but Tesla is completely decoupled from what it is as a car company. So I think he's been on top of this. Good stuff. Yeah, I think the Oracle debate is probably going to be one of the big stories heading into the new year as well. Coming up, pending home sales made a big jump in November, but home building stocks continue to go down.
40:30Why? Talk about it coming up.
40:37All right, got some new signs of a thaw in the housing market. Pending home sales jumping to their highest level in nearly three years in November. Let's get more now on the housing market with Diana Olick in Washington. Diana. Well, Brian, pending home sales in November, as you said, came in much better than expected, up over 3 percent from October and over 2 percent from a year ago. The best showing, in fact, of this year. Now, these pending sales are based on signed contracts, so it's an indicator of future sales. Homebuilder stocks, though, are getting nothing from today's better than expected report on those pending sales.
41:11But you can see the homebuilding ETF, ITB, is down on the day following the broader markets. Big names like Lenar, Pulte, and DR Horton all off around 1 % on the day. The builders are much more sensitive to mortgage rate moves, which we did not get today, and to the broader economy right now. Also, a win for the existing homes market, while it does show more buyer demand, does not necessarily translate to new homes, which are more expensive. It also shows the existing market now getting more competitive again. The builders had actually been benefiting from slower resales because they didn't have that competition.
41:45Brian? Diana, look in D.C. And by the way, check out Diana's newsletter, Property Play. Diana, thank you very much. To Diana's point, Steve, some of these stocks have been just awful the last couple of months. They had a bunch of buy downs, right, for the mortgage rates. You need mortgage rates to come substantially lower. Most people have a mortgage rate. I bet you your mortgage rate, if you have one, big guy, I think the mortgage rate is probably around 3.5. That would be my guess, right? Lower? All right, sorry. So you need mortgage rates to come below 5.5. I talked about it every day, but I'm the guy that forgot to do something because I was too busy talking about it.
42:22My mortgage rate's like 14%. It's impossible. You bought your house during the Carter administration? No, no, no. So you need a mortgage rate below 5.5%. We still have a ways to go there. We've seen existing home sales lag, new home sales, and now you're starting to see that level out. I would still be a buyer of the home builders here. I think rates are coming down. They will benefit. Well, we've cut rates three times in a year, and yet mortgage rates have done what, Guy Domi? They're basically the same place they were a year ago. That's the police coming to get you for no refinances. That's the mortgage rate police.
42:59Dan Nathan:I'll say, you know, what a lot of people may not realize, all the four names we talk about, DHI, Pulte, Toll Brothers, Lennar, they all topped out in November of 2024, and they've been trading lower to sideways ever since. Paul Pichardo, Lennar, if you want to see one that's completely underperformed. And I think, listen, we can debate whether or not interest rates are going up or down mortgage rates. I don't think it's about that. I think it's about the unemployment rate, and that's definitely going higher. You don't think it's about that? You don't think if mortgage rates fell a percent, those stocks aren't going to take off?
43:25Dan Nathan:No. I think the unemployment rate's a bigger deal right now. I mean, people will say that, first of all, I don't think that's going to happen in terms of mortgage rates. Let me be crystal clear. I think if that were to happen, maybe get a knee-jerk bounce until people realize, wait a second, maybe there's something else going on here. And if the unemployment rate continues to tick higher, homebuilders are going to continue to tick lower. All right. Good discussion there. We have another one coming up after the break. We're going to talk about Netflix. Why can't it catch a bid the last couple of months?
43:52We're going to talk about it. You've seen Stranger Things. I have. A lot of people are hating on it, and I'm not one of those. We're back right after this.
44:05So you're counting crows for Netflix because they're having a long December. Nice. The streamer is sliding more than 8%. It's announcing it wanted to buy pieces of Warner Brothers Discovery earlier this month for the year. Netflix up only, but by about 5 % bottle. And you mentioned this round trip for the stock on our midday call. Why? Yeah, well, because I think a lot of the attention right now is being spent on the hyperscalers. I guess Netflix is within the Mac seven, but that AI trade. And I think the rotation that we're seeing out of technology and out of high beta is more than just that.
44:40And so I think as long as you continue to see this momentum where you're kind of seeing money flowing into that industrial complex, Netflix is kind of somewhat emblematic of that rotation. I think, listen, this is a very fundamentally sound company. I just think it's at this point where it's now a mature compounder. And until we see some type of reacceleration in either margin or free cash flow, there's going to be some re-rating here. And I do think this is likely going to be an opportunity to get it. But that's what's going on with Netflix, in my opinion.
45:08Melissa Lee:Yeah, you can make the argument long before this bid that, you know, Netflix had something fundamental going on. Spotify had been trading the exact same way. Maybe it had something to do with the union economics. Maybe it had something to do with the saturation here in the U.S. because both these charts, if you overlay them, they look almost identical. And Spotify didn't even make an$80 billion bid for another company that might even highlight maybe some of those weaknesses we're talking about fundamentally. So to me, I think if Netflix does not get Warner, I think you buy it with two hands. And I think Spotify is getting pretty cheap here, too.
45:38All right. Look at them both. Go. All right. Up next, it is your Final Trades.
45:52Exactly one minute for Final Trades. Kick it off, Steve Grasso. There was a name that Dan Ives mentioned. It was Serve Robotics. It's been under pressure this year. It's down 27 % year to date. He mentioned it. They are presenting at CES, Serve Robotics. I know sometimes this company has this tendency, SoftBank, to top-tick the market, but I do think you can get some directional bias from them that is actually quite accurate. If you're looking at the AI infrastructure play, look at Verti, V-R-T.
46:22Melissa Lee:It's also worth noting, SoftBank is down nearly 3 % since it sold its entire NVIDIA stake a couple months ago. Interesting. So that's not your final pick? No.
46:32Dan Nathan:Spotify and Netflix are starting to look interesting here. Jason Coleman will be performing Wednesday evening, but he was also spinning some chaperone before the Pink Pony Club. ExxonMobil, Brian. XOM going up even as oil goes down. Thanks for watching Fast Money. We'll see you tomorrow. Mad Money starts right now.
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