In short
Fast Money episode covering Micron’s earnings and AI/memory trade; macro rates/inflation and bank weakness; Google’s new Gemini “Argon” model and agent implications; Robinhood’s 24/7 trading rollout and AI agents; plus energy/diesel export ban and a few stock ideas (Target bullish call mentioned; Home Depot/McDonald’s chart talk; bank trading).
Guests (on set/in Houston)
Tim Seymour (hedge fund investor/TV host), Steve Grasso (CNBC contributor), Dan Nathan (investment manager/TV guest), Guy Adami (CNBC contributor), plus Tiffany Wade (Senior Portfolio Manager, Columbia Threadneedle Investments; co-manages Columbia Cornerstone Growth and Equity Funds).
Key claims
Micron’s quarter beat; CEO warns tighter memory supply/demand in 2027-28, higher CapEx, and no clear line of sight on balance; agents/tokens/inference increase memory demand. Higher yields may shift investors toward debt over equity (equity risk premium not great). Robinhood plans 24/7 trading in some stocks, perpetual crypto futures, and more agentic trading (150,000+ users). Google’s Gemini Argon improves coding/cybersecurity; will power Google’s agent “Spark” and expand access via API/enterprise then consumers.
Notable examples
Micron margin discussion (86% cited), New York fab concrete; Oracle as a cautionary tale; Morgan Stanley longest losing streak; Oracle “force majeure” joke; diesel export ban could raise gasoline prices and lower diesel.
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Chapters
Tap a time to open that second in VOMicron Earnings Overview
0:32 to 0:52
Discussion on Micron's latest earnings report and its implications.
“Mazda has been named Consumer Reports' safest new car brand.”
Micron Earnings Overview
1:16 to 2:24
Discussion on Micron's latest earnings report and its implications.
“Do we call this the end of saying after hours trading?”
Micron's Growth Challenges
2:24 to 3:29
Analyzing Micron's growth and supply-demand dynamics in the memory market.
“Sima Modi's been listening in, so she's going to jump in and give us a little flavor of some of those details.”
Market Reactions and Future Outlook
3:29 to 4:21
Panel discussion on market reactions to Micron's performance and future stock potential.
“We don't know a whole lot right now, Tim, but of what we do know or just the stock in general, what do you think?”
Competitors and Industry Landscape
4:21 to 6:40
Insights into Micron's competitors and the broader semiconductor landscape.
“You know, Steve, we look at a 10-year chart of Micron technologies.”
Impacts of Market Conditions
6:40 to 8:16
Exploring how macroeconomic factors affect Micron and the semiconductor sector.
“But I guess into to to Steve's point about inference and, you know, all of the pricing dynamics that you have with tokens.”
Interest Rates and Stock Market Dynamics
8:16 to 14:00
Discussion on how rising interest rates affect the stock market and investment strategies.
“But there's the old saying from Amazon, you know, your margins are our opportunity.”
Market Dynamics and Interest Rates
14:00 to 20:25
Discussion on the effects of interest rates on the stock market and companies like Oracle.
“maybe it's geopolitics, maybe it's inflation, and they start thinking about what this AI trade could do if it were to soften.”
Tiffany Wade on Investment Strategies
20:25 to 28:00
Tiffany Wade shares insights on investment strategies focused on AI and tech amidst rising interest rates.
“Tiffany, thank you very much for joining us.”
Upcoming Topics on Fast Money
28:00 to 28:38
Learn about the financial topics and discussions lined up in the next segments.
“And I think this valuation is interesting.”
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Carnegie Mellon's New Campus Investment
30:13 to 32:26
Discussion on the significant $3 billion investment in Carnegie Mellon University.
“All right, welcome back to Fast Money, everybody.”
Market Reactions and Bank Performance
32:26 to 34:28
Analysis of recent bank performance and the implications of market trends.
“Financials got sold heavily this month, down about 8 % as a group.”
Energy Market Insights
34:28 to 39:55
Insights on the energy market and discussing potential shifts in oil and gas.
“And last I looked, the banks are still very cyclical.”
Robinhood's 24-7 Trading Announcement
39:55 to 42:00
Exploring Robinhood's new trading features and their impact on the trading landscape.
“Good discussion there on that breaking news.”
The Evolution of Trading: From Agentic to Community
42:00 to 43:12
Learn about the shift towards agentic trading and its implications for the trading community.
“And I think the more places that you have to trade, the more the ecosystem builds, I think that's important.”
Teasing Future Discussions on Home Depot and McDonald's
43:12 to 43:26
Get a sneak peek of the upcoming analysis on Home Depot and McDonald's charts.
“We're going to come back and talk about one of our traders and what they're seeing in the charts for Home Depot and McDonald's.”
Final Trades and Market Insights
43:26 to 44:25
Hear the final trades from the hosts and their insights on market trends.
“Yeah, I like the McDonald's call technically from Guy's standpoint, and I also think there should be a better trade down towards it.”
Transcript
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1:22Robin Hood rolling out round the clock buying and selling. We'll get the implications for the market and for other exchanges and let Tim make up his mind. Plus, a bullish call on Target. Bank stocks wrapping up a miserable month and surging cyber. As AI stocks just keep moving higher, you've no doubt got questions and we are here for you. Hi, everybody. I am Brian. I'm in for Melissa coming to you live from Studio B right here at the NASDAQ. And on your desk tonight, we've got Tim Seymour and Steve here on set. And from the aforementioned Robin Hood Summit in Houston, Texas, sitting together. We have got Dan Nathan and apparently Colonel Guy Adami.
2:02Gentlemen, welcome. It's great to see you both. All right, there's a lot to get to. And we begin with the latest on the read on the AI trade, and that is coming out of Micron. Shares giving back a little bit of the earlier gains are still up, but only up about a half a percent. This after the memory chip maker beat on both the top and bottom lines, the conference call and headlines, they're currently underway and happening. Sima Modi's been listening in, so she's going to jump in and give us a little flavor of some of those details. Sima. Brian, another impressive quarter for Micron, with third quarter earnings growing over 1 ,000 % from a year ago.
2:36Yes, slightly slower than the growth rate it saw in the third quarter, but still commendable given the concerns about memory cycle peaking. CEO Sanjay Mohotra on the call saying memory and storage market will be much tighter in calendar year 2027 and 2028, So it remains an industry constraint, he says, by a lack of supply due to rising demand. He also mentions autonomous cars and robotics as tailwinds. He also said we do not have a line of sight when supply-demand equation balances out and that CapEx will increase in 2027 as it adds more capacity here in the U.S. and overseas in markets like Singapore.
3:10In fact, it just poured concrete on its first New York fab with initial wafer output expected in about four years. The stock, interestingly enough, basically flat after gaining a 270 percent this year. Exclusive sit down with Sanjay Mahotra as CEO tomorrow morning at 10 a.m. Brian. All right, Seema Modi, I know you've got to jump back on that call. We may see you again. Seema, thank you very much. We don't know a whole lot right now, Tim, but of what we do know or just the stock in general, what do you think? I think it's good. I think the margin profile is what we really should be focused on because the 11-fold growth in data center is not something you're going to have year over year out two years, I don't think.
3:48But the margin profile is very important. Pricing, obviously, longer-term contracts. I think what's been fascinating from the market's perspective is that the memory names have kind of taken a step back behind the CPU names in the month of September, although it was a very good month for Micron. And if you follow the KOSPI in Korea, it's another way of just kind of gauging what's going on in the memory space. And we also know that there are other players out there ramping up demand, whether it's CMXT that we've been hearing more about out of China. The story is not, I think, without turbulence ahead.
4:17And I'm not chasing Micron here, but there was nothing wrong with this print. You know, Steve, we look at a 10-year chart of Micron technologies. And from basically eight and a half to nine years of those 10 years, the stock did almost nothing. I mean, you could trade a little bit, make money. Trade it right with DRAM. $40 to$70 range for six or seven years. It was dead money. Took off last year. It's gone from$60 to$1 ,100 in a year. And I'm not taking anything away from Mike Braun. It's made a lot of money for its investors and employees, people in Idaho. That's a hell of a move. It is a hell of a move.
4:51But what did we hear yesterday at the White House? That there's going to be a lot more agents. Look at that chart. Look at that chart. Okay. That may be more than the GDP of Idaho. Sorry, with all due respect. No, I mean, listen, it might be. My point is, anything about the valuation that concerned? Well, there's no problem with the valuation in my account. The problem is, when does the story over? But the story, I would have thought that it would have backtracked a lot sooner than it has. It has come off the highs. But I actually think I'm reversing now. I think it could actually go higher because agents create token demand.
5:29Tokens are inference, and inference runs on memory. So if we're going to have a battle over the bots, Micron is probably going higher from here. And, Dan, Nathan, I'm going to reverse myself because even with that chart that I showed you, I'm looking on CNBC.com and FaxNet and everything else. Ford PE is still historically low on Micron, even at$1 ,100 whatever a share. Yeah, so that doesn't really matter. And I think you know that, Brian. I mean, this is a company that lost money three years ago in 2023. They had negative gross margins. And so now they're able to have all this pricing pressure.
6:05It's a supply-temand situation. Those beats that we're talking about that took the stock from$100 to$1 ,200, they're behind them. I mean, the magnitude of those beats. If you just look at the quarter they just reported, they basically beat consensus by about 5%, 6 % of earnings and sales. You look at that guidance that they just gave for the current quarter, and maybe that's up 8%. So the year of the days or the quarters of having this like 50 percent, 100 percent kind of beats, they're gone. All right. So at this point in that margin profile that Tim talked about, he's 100 percent. You know, they are taking they are taking right now.
6:38They have the ability to do that. They have the pricing power. But I guess into to to Steve's point about inference and, you know, all of the pricing dynamics that you have with tokens. Yes, that's going to be great. The agent stuff is going to be great for memory. But I guess the point is, where does the stock go from here based on everything that we know and the fact that we're not going to see the levels of beats that we've seen before? I think investors are going to start pricing in best-case scenarios. And I think that's one of the reasons why you have such a muted reaction in the aftermarket right now.
7:08You got 51 analysts, Skydami, that cover Micron. You got 49 buys or strong buys, a couple of holds, no sells. The stock's done that. I mean, it's made a lot of people a lot of money. I'm not trying to be a negative Nelly here about Micron. I'm glad it's made a lot of people money, but I'm worried about the next 12 months, not the previous 12 months. What do you think? Why would you be a negative Nelly? And watch what I do here, Brian. I know Tim will get this. There is no small potatoes about this quarter. See what I did there, Brian? Micron initially funded with J.R. Simplot money from potatoes.
7:46I'll take random Micron trivia for 600, please. $400 ,500. But the reality is, Steve mentioned it, what do they call that thing at the White House yesterday? A gaggle? And when they all walked out hand in hand and talked about sort of putting their foot on the gas pedal, continuing to put on their foot on the gas pedal, that is obviously very supportive of the entire trade that Micron finds itself at the center of. The move should have taken place either today or, again, in the after hours with this release. It's an extraordinary number. 86 % margins are nothing to sneeze at. But there's the old saying from Amazon, you know, your margins are our opportunity.
8:20And although competition is not coming tomorrow, competition is coming. So we know all the numbers. And you have to ask yourself, a stock that was supposed to move 7 % or 8 % given the options market is not moving at all. And to Dan's point, you know, maybe there's something to glean from that. Well, I would look at what's going on in the semi-space. And let's just throw that whole group that are leased in the SMH, but including memory as being the one part of the market that's actually working. As much as I don't necessarily want to chase and be the next dollar into Micron, I can tell you that the chart on Micron, and I can tell you what Semis did in September in a quarter that was pretty lackluster for the rest of the market.
9:00We're going to talk about that in a second. But I just feel as if this is a space and this is a trade that continues to have legs behind it. And it's a trade that continues to outperform the rest of the market. So as much as I'm not chasing memory here and as much as all we keep hearing from Samsung and SK Hynix is that they are building out more memory and more capacity. And, you know, it's actually pretty exciting for the world that we're also building more out here and that Micron is very much involved. They broke ground and cement in New York City. That's great. I do think supply is an issue at some point.
9:30I think the market's not going to wait for that. Yeah. I mean, the CEO is saying he sees a tighter supply demand environment coming. I don't know if that's good or bad, though, Steve. He's saying that these aren't supposed to be commodities. They can't make enough chips. It's tight supply. Yeah, these are. I don't know. Well, that's the trillion dollar question. When does this supply actually hit the market? But it doesn't sound like it's coming anytime soon. And we are talking about a three-horse race. So there's enough room to send these things higher. You know, I look at that margin. I get what Guy is saying.
10:01But I look at the actual share out of the three players, and there's plenty of room for Micron to gobble up someone else's share. So I think if you look at it through that prism, that chart looks steep, but it looks like it can climb again. All right, well, the stock is down a touch right now. I'm not going to make too much of a 1 % move. It's at$1 ,055 because it was a$45 stock just a couple of years ago. All right, in the meantime, the macro market's taking a bit of a turn down later on in the session. I mean, the Nasdaq did close higher, but not nearly as much as it was. President Trump posting on True Social that former Federal Reserve Chair Jerome Powell should resign from the Federal Reserve over failures in managing the renovations of its headquarters.
10:48Remember, Powell no longer the chairman, but he is still on the Federal Reserve committees. He's still there for, I think, another two or three years. The S &B and NASDAQ had been positive for most of the day after new inflation data showed. Price pressures moderated a bit in August. That set expectations for a Fed rate hike next month down there. And now, if you look at the October 28th meeting, the odds of a rate hike, well, they're not zero, but they're down to less than 40 percent. They were 71 percent just one week ago. Interest rates, though, today still higher across the board. Bond investors turning their attention to Friday's jobs numbers.
11:27Economists expect payrolls grew by 84 ,000 in September. How will all these numbers, Tim, do we think really impact the market? Because I feel like there's two things going on right now. There's three. There's the war. There's energy in the war. You've got all this AI stuff. But at the same time, or maybe because of it, we're watching interest rates just keep going higher. Yeah, we closed a new high on the 10-year. And right now, equity valuation. This is what I'll say about the stock market relative to that. Let's get into inflation and the Fed. But equities have done a great job of actually taking on a lot of this move.
12:01And, in fact, I think you have a disproportionate move higher the minute you start to give ground back. In other words, I think it's asymmetric from the market's perspective. The next move down in yields will outperform the move higher. Stocks have really moved higher in yields. So what am I saying? I actually think that the market is looking past this right now. You can make an argument that the correlation of oil prices and everything else is something that the market is willing to take on. I think if you look at long-term yield charts, and if you, again, I bring back the Guyadami 40-year-old chart, because I think it makes a lot of sense when you're looking at the yield curve.
12:35It actually looks like we could be going to 6%, and 6 % for equities at some point is a different ball going on. And I think the whole thing is at some point, because Guy and Dan, I know back in your day you listened to these things called records, right? It was like always at the record out of scratch. They'd call it a broken record because they would just keep saying and playing the same thing over and over and over and over again. I've been a broken record about 5 % yields of the market, taking down stocks. Obviously not the case. Is there, though, a number on the 10-year that does change the tune?
13:12Dan? You know, it's not just the 10-year. It's like, think about what's going on in investment grade debt as it relates to AI build out, right? You're getting like 6%, maybe 7%, some a little higher as you get kind of into, you know, some of the riskier sort of stuff. So there's opportunities away from equities, especially if you're worried about the AI build out and the exposure that you have in the S &P 500. If you have 5.3 % over 10 years, you have a two year that's basically almost inverted the 10 year. It's just basically telling you that the equity risk premium in stocks right here isn't particularly great.
13:47And I think going back to that micron, it's a perfect example. Forget the valuation. It's just like, look at the price performance. Look at how much it's kind of incorporated right now. I think that's a story where you'd rather own the debt than the equity. And I just think there's going to be lots of places where people, as they get more worried about, let's say, the macro, maybe it's geopolitics, maybe it's inflation, and they start thinking about what this AI trade could do if it were to soften. And I think you're going to have a move out of equities. And I think there's going to be a lot of other alternatives.
14:16Sorry, let me just add. I mean, since that operation twist, whatever that was, Treasury did. And obviously, Treasury understand that there's a problem. Ten-year yields are up about 65 basis points. I think they were four and three quarters-ish when they started that. So the bond market is not only challenging the Fed, they're challenging Treasury as well, which is something historically we really haven't seen. I think that's number one. And number two, I'm with you, Brian. I mean, I've been saying for a while that I thought higher rates would put a kibosh on the stock market. Clearly not the case.
14:45But you know what it does put a kibosh on? I mean, if you think about the amount of debt that needs to be raised, I mean, this is not an economy nor stock market, I think, that's built for rates to go higher, which I do think will continue to go higher. It's a great point, Guy Dami, because the AI boom is largely built on debt. And does this kill quickly that side of the debt market? I know Google's not borrowing at 6%. I get that. But they are going to have to pay more, I think, to the market now. Oh, that was me. I'm sorry, Brian. I apologize. Yes. The question is how much more? And you want a cautionary tale.
15:19I mean, go back to Oracle. And I think it was like December. You know, I lose track of time. September of 2025. September of 2025. The stock had a 45 percent move to the upside on the back of all the exuberance. So what that stock has done since. And now it's a balance sheet thing, and it is a debt thing, and it's can they raise the amount of capital necessary to continue this. Oracle has clearly pushed all their chips to the middle of the table, saying they're going to be the centerpiece of the AI buildout. And maybe they're going to wind up being right. But just look what happened to that stock.
15:49And if you don't think it could happen to others, I think you're not paying attention. All right. So we've got a lot more to get through, but we're going to bring in another voice into this name. Tiffany Wade is Senior Portfolio Manager at Columbia Threadneedle Investments. She co-manages the Columbia Cornerstone Growth and Equity Funds. A lot of these stocks that we've talked about or at least referenced, Tiffany, and by the way, welcome. Great to see you. Great to see you. You own, in fact, they're probably amongst your top holdings and your fund. What do you worry about? You know, I do think we worry about interest rates, as we were talking about just before.
16:22We thought that this would put a damper on stocks as well, maybe heading into the midterm. Clearly, that hasn't been the case. We saw great GDP numbers today, good consumer spending numbers. So clearly there's a lot of good things happening in the economy that our equity investors are focusing on rather than rates. That's something that we certainly do worry about. Yeah, because I want to ask this to the guy, but I'll ask it to you. Is it the what or the why? The what is a 5.3 10-year, 5.4 10-year, 6%, whatever it is. Does the why matter more than the what? Right now it does seem that the why matters more, right?
16:54At a certain level of interest rates, the what will matter. But right now, the why seems to matter more. So, Tiffany, the what around Micron, which you own, is clearly phenomenal growth, but a margin story that's really holding up. Talk to us how you've assessed that after the kind of movie. And you've probably held this for a while. I'll assume you have. But what do you do with it now? Because this is what we're wrestling with. Yeah, we still like memory stocks a lot. We think that this is going to be central to the AI build out. the more inferencing and the more agentic AI you have, the more memory you're going to need.
17:25And they were talking about how they see capacity being tighter in 27 and 28. So we think these are great places to be. So when you look at the market, just getting back to your first glance at this, the market's up 12 % for the year. Earnings are growing at roughly 25%. So that's the reason why yields are not affected. No one's worried about the discount rate when earnings are growing at 25%. But to Tim's question, just to follow on on that, what sectors are you most excited about? And do you change those with the rising rate? Yeah, that's a great question. So we still really like AI, which means we obviously have a lot of bets within tech and some within industrials as well.
18:03Certainly memory, as I mentioned before, cybersecurity we like a lot. And then outside of tech, we think there's some interesting things happening in healthcare, and that space is a little bit more rate agnostic. So some of the tools and diagnostics companies, which have been laggards for years, are starting to look a little bit more interesting. So we look at we had micro earnings tonight. OK, we got Apple. We get all the earnings that are out on a macro level. Tiffany, what do you and your team watch the most closely? Is it the Fed? Is it jobs numbers, inflation data? I know you look at it all.
18:29I know I know you say we look at it all. But if there's one thing that really catches your attention, is there something? Yeah, I think the tooth I'll go with two things. So first is I think the outcome of the midterms is going to be a really important macro data for the market. I agree. And then energy prices is the other one right now. Yeah, because we've got, and we're not going to dip into politics too. I get it, but only vis-a-vis the markets. You've got some people that are pretty anti-data center right now. I mean, it's a political thing, but it's a market thing. Because if there is a slowdown in data centers because politicians win that are anti-data center or want to pause data centers, then some of that CapEx, that OpEx, I think gets slowed down.
19:06Is that sort of a theory behind the political view? And it's not a political view, but the election view. Absolutely. And I think we're seeing that play out in stocks right now. And so we're seeing, especially in the industrial space, stocks related to construction and equipment that goes into building data centers is lagged recently. And I think that's related to that concern. But maybe that gets alleviated after the midterms. Are you exposed at all to the growth part of the trade, the growthier part, though, of really the infrastructure part of that trade? The extreme example is someone that owns Caterpillar for data centers.
19:33But what part of a growth fund is investing in more picks and shovels? And has any of that changed for you? I mean, industrials as a group have been deaf in the last three weeks, as in fact, as most of the rest of the market has been. But the picks and shovels, where are you still excited? Yeah, we still really like the electrical equipment names. We still like the construction engineering names. So we think those have a long tail of growth for the next couple of years. But you're clearly seeing some people concerned about when does CapEx peak and does that hit the industrial names harder than some of the tech names that may have a longer tail of equipment that goes into data centers.
20:06I got to imagine, quick, we're going to wrap it up, but I got to imagine the backlog of these construction firms is years. Yeah, absolutely. It's years. Yes. Hopefully nobody will issue a force majeure. We had Oracle threaten one. These things are kind of on the radar. It's a complicated term. There's a lot in that. It is. It's French for force majeure. Tiffany, thank you very much for joining us. Really appreciate your time. Thank you. All right, coming up, we are also not just watching Micron. We're watching Google because Google announcing its newest Gemini model. We're going to tell you what we know.
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22:29All right, welcome back. Micron is a headline stock, but it's not just about Micron. Shares of Alphabet, the parent of Google, also moving up about 1.5%. They're launching their newest AI model. It's called Gemini for Argon. And they say it's their most advanced AI model yet, although it'd be weird. McKenzie Segalos, I guess, if a company came out with a new thing and said it was not their newest or most advanced, but I digress. We've been waiting for Gemini 4 and Alphabet just out with its latest frontier model. They've been doing these flash models, but this is at the frontier, and it has major improvements in coding and cybersecurity.
23:06Now, Google telling me that Gemini 4 Argon outperforms rivals on tests of software engineering. It ties for first place with OpenAI and XAI and cybersecurity, and then it leads in tasks like financial analysis and legal research. I just spoke with Google's head of Gemini product, Tulsi Doshi, who says that employees across the company have actually spent weeks testing versions of Argon with no usage caps. This latest model is now undergoing U.S. government safety testing here in D.C., with initial access limited to cybersecurity defenders and enterprise cloud customers. The gated rollout following Alphabet CEO Sundar Pichai signing the White House's voluntary AI safety accord yesterday here in D.C., Google will share updates on broader access in the coming days with plans to offer Argon to enterprise customers through its API, but then also expand it into its consumer products in the coming months.
23:57And despite being Google's top-of-the-line frontier model, Argon will launch at$2 per million input tokens. That's only slightly above its Flash models, which is really key here, Brian. Yeah, I mean, it really is. You know, every couple of weeks and months now, Mac, we're talking about these new models. Is there any indication that they're driving more subscription revenue? Right. We know Muse. We know the agents. We saw what that did to Facebook stock, Metastock, excuse me, open air, hoping to get a little bit of that magic as well. Is this thought to maybe work for Alphabet as well? You're so right.
24:33The entire conversation in Silicon Valley has basically shifted from winning at the frontier and actually using some of these lighter models to power agents. Muse has really been a game changer for Meta. And now you've got Google, which has its own agent, actually. It's called Spark. It's just limited to paying customers. And I specifically asked Gemini's product chief whether or not this new model might power a revamped Spark, because that's what people want to see. You've already opted in to giving Google access to your Gmail, your calendar. Muse, you have to allow them access to it. So it's kind of incredible that we haven't seen Google have more of a breakout moment in the agent space.
25:09But what I was told is that, yes, this Argonne model is going to be part of what they're doing with Spark. I would imagine that they are looking to come out with a more competitive agent, wider access, not gatekeeped any day now. Mackenzie Cigales. Mackenzie, we really appreciate that. All right, Dan and Guy, they're down, by the way, in Houston at the Robinhood thing. And Dan, does this matter to Alphabet? Yeah, it does. I mean, Mac did a great job, you know, kind of laying that out. I mean, the models are important from the standpoint of what are they able to kind of power on the agent front, right?
25:42Like every week we're going to hear a new claim by one of these frontier labs that it's performing better than the next one or the last one or this or whatever. It doesn't really matter at the end of the day. We all know whatever model you use today is the worst version you're going to use for the rest of your life. Then it really comes down to how is that model powering the agent? How are they monetizing that as you think about the model makers, that sort of thing? And that's where it's going to come down to. So I guess the question is for Google is will they have a Muse moment? There's little doubt in my mind that Facebook or Meta's gain over the last couple weeks came at the expense of Google because they haven't had that moment.
26:19They will release Spark. It will have some excitement. I think the distribution across Gmail and Calendar and Android and YouTube and the list goes on and on. I think that'll be a big differentiator. So I think Google does have that moment coming up. It's not going to be on Argonne right here. You might hear, Brian, that there's a Florida concert just broke out behind us. He is my favorite performer, as you know, number one. Number two, I think we've been collectively saying on the back of Muse that Facebook was going to rally, and it did. I think we've also been saying there's going to come a point where it's no longer just linear to the upside and something's going to happen to derail it.
26:54This might be that something. So if it's still like Facebook overall, I think it trades lower. I think Google has a run in on the back of this. I think Guy is referring to an artist known as Flo Rida, but he could also be referring to the gate. Could be Florida Georgia Line. Could be Florida Georgia Line. It could just be Go Gators cracking the top 10 after a long time. But I'll take Dan's point and I'll soften it a little bit and just say this is all, I think, great for consumers. And I'm not sure that that jostling for benchmark lead right now between the big three or the big four is something that necessarily is a differentiator.
27:29And I think ultimately it's playing into the concerns people have for how much needs to be spent or where you're going to have more open source models, lower cost models. Certainly that at least for most consumers and even a lot of enterprise is probably all they will ever consume. So I think for Google, the stock, it's good news. I think Google, the stock. Remember, for a long time, Gemini was thought to be a dud. Gemini for it clearly is is not only competing, but taking some leadership. And I think Google's cheap. And I think of all the major players, especially if we were playing this against Meta after the move Meta has had, this is attractive.
28:02And I think this valuation is interesting. All right. There you go. All right, folks, we're halfway done, but we have got a lot more to do. Here's what's coming up next on Fast Money. A financial flop before earnings season kicks off. How to trade the recent bank weakness and the names are traders like most now. Plus, the highlights from this year's Hood Summit as the company unveils 24-7 trading and new AI tools. How round-the-clock action could impact markets and your portfolio. You're watching Fast Money, live from the NASDAQ market site in Times Square. We're back right after this.
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30:18All right, welcome back to Fast Money, everybody. Pittsburgh is going to Miami. No, not in football. Okay. Carnegie Mellon University saying a monster new$3 billion gift from Ken Griffin will fund a new 35-acre campus in Miami. CBC spoke with Griffin and Carnegie Mellon's president about it. It's a$3 billion investment in Carnegie Mellon. It's an investment in excellence and higher education in America. We've worked on this now for two, two and a half years. I am so thrilled to be supporting the leadership team of Carnegie Mellon. Times are changing, so we need to change with it. And we need to meet the urgency of the moment.
31:02And with Kent's investment and support and partnership, candidly, CMU is ready to meet the urgency of the moment. Got to be a little more excited about$3 billion. Anyway, do you want to work for Citadel? Well, Griffin also shared what he looks for when hiring. so grit determination passion and a real passion for education and lifetime learning is important to the candidates that we select at citadel and i will tell you that the candidates that have a background in ai in computer science those are the most sought after candidates in the job markets today but very quickly bonus round bonus points oh boy anybody in the dan and guy you're there too Anybody here can name the Carnegie Mellon mascot?
31:52The engineers. No. Anybody? Dan, Guy, anybody? It's Scotty. The loudest. The nerds. Easy, you Penn Quakers. It is Scotty, the Scotty dog. They got a little Scotty dog. And the mascot is Scotty. Ken Griffin, the guy we're trying to kick out of New York City, who's making donations of$3 billion. He's not doing it in New York. No. No. Carnegie Mellon. You agree the president of Carnegie Mellon's got to be a little more happy. It's$3 billion. That's not a$30 million win. $3 billion. It's$3 billion. Yeah, yeah. All right. Tomorrow is October, and no group is happier to see the calendar shift than the banks.
32:31Financials got sold heavily this month, down about 8 % as a group. One big bank caught up in it, Morgan Stanley. Stock is now down seven days in a row. Its longest losing streak. No Scotty the dog here. Don't worry about that, Grasso. So longest losing streak since January 2024. Right. But I want to buy low, don't I? Yes. Yeah, I wouldn't say that this is a bad idea to buy the banks. But when you think about what we're seeing with the curve steepening, we're having a bear steepening. So the banks borrow short. They lend long. This is the worst type of steepening for a bank. You want a bull steepening.
33:08That's not what we have here. It's not going to be forever. So this could be some bargain hunting in the banks for you. Well, you know, banks have behaved like any interest rate sensitive sector. And whether you're in small caps as a group or whether you're in industrials or financials and even consumer staples have really taken their lumps. I think if you look at banks on a chart, this is a pretty interesting place to own them, especially after this kind of a pullback. We've also had a lot of guidance. There's been a lot of, hey, folks, tap the brakes with the CEOs in the banking sector. Multiple CEOs have told us about where their capital markets and their trading business are going to be.
33:44And there's still going to be fantastic numbers. So until if you feel we have a credit cycle around the corner, I think you have to be very cautious. Otherwise, this is a place to buy banks. Well, I think we have a new segment because I'd like to get some guidance from Guy Adami at the Robin Hood Summit on banks or Morgan Stanley. See what I did? I like what you did there, Brian. By the way, you would have been a great Carnegie Mellon student. And you'd be a great Citadel candidate in case you want to throw your hat in the ring. But I'll say this. Brian Moynihan, who I think has been in his seat for 16 years, who has never met a market that he didn't like a couple weeks ago, actually said some things that was somewhat of a cautionary tale.
34:22And I take him at his word because the man is always bullish and he's turned a little bit. And the banks have reacted in kind. And last I looked, the banks are still very cyclical. And we're going to talk about Home Depot and McDonald's a little bit later. But I think they're telling a story about the underlying economy that the market's not picking up on yet. And what would that story be? Well, it's obviously not a positive one, Brian. It's a story about a consumer that's probably strapped, about an environment where interest rates are going higher for probably the wrong reasons, and an environment where cyclicality still matters.
34:55So you put all that together in a bit of a, what's that thing, a cauldron, Dan? And you sort of stir it up. And you know what you have, Dan? You have a witch's brew. You know, one thing I'll just say about away from the Money Center Bank, so when you look at Goldman and you look at Morgan Stanley, listen, I said last week I thought Goldman down 20%, you probably start looking at it here to build a position because I thought that, you know, at that time, the sentiment around these IPOs, whether it was Anthropic or Aura or OpenAI, and there's a handful of others, Nscale, SB Energy, you know, they were really bearing the brunt of any idea that there would be a push out of that.
35:30And, you know, at the end of the day, it might actually happen. And maybe that's why these stocks trade so poorly, because Morgan and Goldman are clearly going to be lead left or lead underwriters for these sorts of deals. The other thing, I'd take you over to the Apollos and the Blackstones and the KKRs, these alternative lenders. I mean, these guys trade horribly. And, you know, that is directly tied to at least what's going on in software at one level, but then also the financing of the data center build. All right. Good stuff there. Guys, all thank you very much. coming up. We're going to shift gears because there is a potential shift from the White House around any diesel fuel export ban.
36:05The latest next.
36:13All right, welcome back. Stocks closing at their lows of the session. The Dow ended down about 440. The S &P down about a quarter percent. The Nasdaq low of the session, but still ended higher. So It was up nearly 1 % earlier in the session, ended down 30-year fixed-rate mortgages, now hitting a new milestone of 7.8%, according to Mortgage News Daily. That is the highest number since that brief moment in November of 2023. You also got a couple of headlines happening in pharmaceuticals. Eli Lilly saying it's experimental obesity drug combo showing greater weight loss than it's ZEP bound on its own in a trial.
36:52Meantime, Moderna shares dropping after Citigroup downgraded the stock to a sell. citing valuation. By the way, Moderna nearly tripled this quarter, in the third quarter. And I think Citigroup, if I remember that call correctly, sees like$60 of downside or whatever on the stock. Anyway, pot stocks burning out. The hearing on rescheduling marijuana was paused. In the meantime, we've also got some breaking news in the energy space. Eamon Jabbers with more. Yeah, Brian, you might remember this, but there's been some reporting that the president had been considering or kicking around the idea of a diesel gas export ban.
37:29And what we just heard from the president in the Oval Office a short time ago is he was questioned about this. Sounded like he's very much leaning against it, but didn't rule it out entirely. Here's what he said. I think it's something that we think about and we talk about every day, but it just seems that it would have a negative impact on gasoline. So that that would go up a little bit and diesel would come down a little bit. And we think we're in a very good place. It's going to start to come in. So the question for the president, Brian, is as you look at the possibility of a diesel export ban, what is the effect on the overall economy in terms of inflation of other things?
38:03And do you kind of just push the inflation out into other sectors of the economy if you do that? That seems to be what they're wrestling with inside the White House, given what we just heard from the president. All right. Eamon Javers, Eamon, thank you very much. Any thoughts on the ban, Brian? Well, listen, I've talked to about 30 people in the industry, every one of them. 30 out of 30 said higher prices than longer term here. Yeah, because they don't have a place to put it. They have no place to put it. Storage fills. They have to cut back refining. I would imagine if we don't get a diesel export ban, probably good news for Valero's Phillips 66, the big refiners.
38:37Yes or no? Marathon. Well, I think so. And I think if you look at how Valero's performed relative to even some of the big integrateds and actually their last round of numbers were so strong. And the stock actually, it was a little disappointing just because I think we've been so kind of inured on these numbers. But and it's it's been an interesting run for energy stocks. They've actually been under a little bit of pressure here, even in the face of what have been, you know, essentially 40 percent higher oil prices in the third quarter. So I think you're nibbling back at this trade. But MLPs, as I've said many times, are the ones that have actually been the weakest like them.
39:08And when you look at the crack spreads, you know, I know everyone thinks they're at they are at all time highs. But when where do you go from there? But I still think it's a trade to the Valeros. But you have to make sure that it's a genuine refiner trade. So a Valero is a refiner trade. A PSX, though, you're getting a lot of chemicals in there. That's why it's only up 100 % here to date, not 150%. So stay with the pure player refiner. What about the smaller ones, the Deluxe, the PBFs of the world? Those are the ones we knit par-Pacific. We never talk about them, but those stocks, some are up 150%, 175 % a year.
39:40Yeah, those are the ones, though, that when the trade gets extended, you go back to the bigger names in play. I think those would have been early cycle for this. The later cycle is you want to go with the name brand that has the company behind it, that has the history behind it. All right, well said. Good discussion there on that breaking news. All right, coming up, Robin Hood effectively saying there's no more after-hours trading. We're trading 24-7. We're going to talk more about that and give you more from the sights and the sounds of where Dan and Guy are, and that is the Hood Summit in Houston, Texas.
40:12We're back right after this.
40:20Robinhood unveiling expanded trading hours. The company looking to pull in more active traders. It is going to allow customers to transact 24-7 in some stocks, not all stocks, beginning next year. It's also adding perpetual crypto futures as well as AI agents. CEO Vlad Tenev weighing in on the new offerings this morning on CNBC. I think increasingly, customers and traders are integrating AI into their strategies. We've actually seen a lot of adoption of our first agentic offering, which required customers to take their Claude code or their codex, their external agent, and plug it into their Robinhood account.
41:05So they had to kind of stitch it together. We wanted to make that easier. And, you know, we had about over 150 ,000 people using our agentic offerings. And Dan and Guy are in Houston for Robin Hood Hood Summit, where I hope those are fans behind you guys because they weren't there 30 seconds ago. So if they're not fans, you should leave now. Wave to Brian Sullivan and make noise and show him your beers, everybody. Everybody says hi, Brian. The two big questions, the two big questions today is Brian Sullivan, that tall and handsome. And are those Tim's real steely blue eyes? And the answer to both of those questions is clearly yes.
41:42That's right. I don't even think those are questions. What's the big question, Dan, at the Hood Summit? I think what Vlad said this morning on the open is a really important one. I think that as we talk to dozens of people here, they do want expanded options to trade when they want to trade. And I think that's important. You're going to need some liquidity there. And I think the more places that you have to trade, the more the ecosystem builds, I think that's important. The bigger takeaway, and Vlad spoke to it, is agentic trading. Right now, you have the ability to plug in. You want to create your agents.
42:14You want to plug them in. That's great. What I take away, it's not just about the agents trading for you. It's actually idea generation. It's also risk management. There's a whole host of other things. And I think that's something that pros have been doing for a little bit now. I think they're democratizing access to that. And it's something that I think has been very welcomed, at least from the reception that we've heard. The question is, Guy, do we stop saying after-hours trading? Because I don't, where's the after-hours if it never stops? No, it doesn't stop. I mean, I started my career in commodities, and there was no after-hours trading.
42:44We were just going from one country to the next. And this is a normal progression. So you can take that out of your vernacular, Brian Sullivan, and sort of shelve it for another time. Because like it or not, it's here. And just let me show you the power of community. Are there any Fast Money fans out there? Please make some noise if there are. I don't know what to tell you, Brian. I love it. And by the way, we love them as well. And I know they love you guys. They're happy to see you. We'll take a short break. We're going to come back and talk about one of our traders and what they're seeing in the charts for Home Depot and McDonald's.
43:20It's like one in the same chart, two different companies. Creepy? We think so. We'll talk about it right after this.
43:37Final trade time. Dan. Yeah, I like the McDonald's call technically from Guy's standpoint, and I also think there should be a better trade down towards it. Guy. I love the fact that Vot Tech is undefeated, Brian. I will go Insmed. Me too. Tim. Go Gators. So are they. Go Google. And, Brian, thank you for joining us. It's always a pleasure. Very welcome. Thank you for having me, Steve Grasso. So I think we didn't talk enough about cyber. I think these stocks can run, they will run, and there's just a lot more tollboothing to do, cloudflare. There you go. Love it, guys. And Virginia Tech right to beat the Pitt Panthers Friday night.
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