Market Resilience Despite Surge In Yields… And Options Action Ahead Of Micron Results 9/25/26

25 Sep 2026 · 44 min · 22 chapters

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Fast Money (9/25/26) discusses why stocks are holding up despite a historic surge in Treasury yields, with semiconductors leading. Guests/hosts debate whether the bond move is overdone, the market’s concentration in a few “supercap” names, and what a potential 10-year yield around 6% could mean (housing pressure, higher borrowing costs, possible volatility). They also preview earnings and trading setups: Micron options ahead of next week’s report, plus chart/positioning ideas for Airbnb, and sentiment/inflows from Investopedia’s investor survey. Microsoft’s Copilot strategy update (coding + AI agents + Office, usage-based pricing) is covered, alongside Moderna’s surge and CEO warnings about AI misuse to create respiratory viruses.

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10-year yield ~5.23% near highs; semis up ~6% Monday-to-date; VIX sub-15; Micron options implying ~6% move; Airbnb “back to pre-earnings” levels.

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Ben Emmons (FedWatch Advisors, 10-year to 6% forecast); Caleb Silver (People/Investopedia, investor sentiment and ETF flows).

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Market Dynamics Amid Rising Treasury Yields

1:38 to 3:35

Discussion on the strength of stocks despite historic moves in bond markets.

“On the desk tonight, Carter Worth, Tim Seymour, Bono and Eisen, and Mike Coe.”

Semiconductors and Their Market Impact

3:35 to 4:51

Exploration of semiconductor performance and its influence on the equity market.

“I think at some point, it's a little overdone here.”

The Tipping Point for the Market

4:51 to 5:40

Analyzing the current state of the market and potential tipping points.

“I mean, in terms of the equity market, and there's no way around this, it's just the ongoing story of a few super cap important names driving not only at the earnings level, but at the performance level.”

Evaluating Investment Choices: Treasuries vs. Stocks

5:40 to 8:00

Debate on investing in Treasuries versus stocks with high dividend yields.

“And now it's a question of do you play for some mean reversion?”

Future Predictions for Treasury Yields

8:00 to 12:15

Guest Ben Emmons discusses projections for 10-year Treasury yields.

“So I think you can still stick with this trade.”

Impact of Rising Rates on the Economy

14:00 to 16:47

Discussion on how rising interest rates affect housing, investments, and the economy.

“And so that will keep driving the economy.”

Global Growth and Inflation Dynamics

16:47 to 19:16

Examining the relationship between global growth, inflation, and interest rates.

“So sometimes higher rates are self-fulfilling to lower rates, right?”

Xi Jinping's Visit: Outcomes and Implications

19:16 to 22:41

Analysis of Xi Jinping's state visit to D.C. and its significance.

“And we actually haven't seen that number since 2000.”

The Importance of Diplomatic Stability

22:41 to 23:58

The discussion highlights the value of maintaining diplomatic relations amidst tensions.

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The Importance of Diplomatic Stability

24:53 to 25:33

The discussion highlights the value of maintaining diplomatic relations amidst tensions.

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The Importance of Diplomatic Stability

25:36 to 26:13

The discussion highlights the value of maintaining diplomatic relations amidst tensions.

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Microsoft's AI Strategy Overhaul

27:26 to 28:00

Detailed discussion on Microsoft's new AI strategy and its competitive landscape.

“that adding coding is an example of the company playing catch-up as competition intensifies from OpenAI, Anthropic, and even Meta's new Muse app.”

AI Innovations and Market Dynamics

28:00 to 31:20

Explore how AI features are being integrated into major platforms and the potential impact on market competition.

“essentially the super app that would compete in a similar way to Anthropic and OpenAI that have been bundling a lot of these offerings together.”

Moderna's Transformation and AI's Risks

31:20 to 31:51

Learn about Moderna's evolution beyond COVID-19 vaccines and the risks associated with AI in drug development.

“Moderna shares locking in another big week.”

Micron's Earnings and Options Action

32:31 to 35:18

Discussion on Micron's stock performance and strategies for upcoming earnings reports.

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Investor Sentiment Amidst Market Volatility

35:18 to 38:50

Examine current investor sentiment in light of geopolitical tensions and economic concerns.

“Can that stock's massive move higher continue when Fast Money returns?”

Investment Trends in ETFs and Stocks

38:50 to 42:01

Discover the latest trends in ETF investments and individual stock sales among investors.

“Investopedia's latest read on investor sentiment is in.”

Investor Behavior in a High-Rate Environment

42:01 to 43:08

Learn how rising interest rates influence investor choices in stocks and ETFs.

“CDs are definitely higher, but you also have a lot more interest in individual stocks because some of the big names have traded off.”

Airbnb's Stock Performance Overview

43:08 to 43:18

Discover the recent challenges and potential rebound for Airbnb's stock.

“Coming up, a super host sell-off, shares of Airbnb under pressure the last few weeks, but could the stock be ready to rebound?”

Technical Analysis of Airbnb's Stock

43:18 to 46:13

Understand the technical factors influencing Airbnb's stock valuation.

“But the Chartmaster sees in the technicals when Fast Money returns.”

Final Trades and Market Predictions

46:13 to 47:58

Hear expert opinions on final trades and market strategies for upcoming earnings.

“Well, yes, of course, hotel stocks have all been sort of slumping.”

Final Trades and Market Predictions

48:02 to 48:26

Hear expert opinions on final trades and market strategies for upcoming earnings.

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1:20We are turning back the clock for an old school options action to set up for the report. Plus, Microsoft ups its AI game. Moderna hits more than three-year highs. Time to check into Airbnb, what the chart master is seeing in the technicals and where the stock could go from here. I'm Melissa Lee. Coming to you live from Studio B at the NASDAQ. On the desk tonight, Carter Worth, Tim Seymour, Bono and Eisen, and Mike Coe. And we start off with what might be surprising strength in stocks despite a historic move in bond markets. The NASDAQ closing out the week up more than 2%, even setting an intraday record just on Tuesday.

1:52The S &P up for the week two and closing less than a percent from its own all-time high. The Dow also climbing into the green with a nearly 500-point gain today. All this, even as Treasury yields track to multi-decade highs. The benchmark 10-year peaking at 5.23 percent during the session before pulling back. It's still near its highest level since June 2007. 30-year trading above 5.5 percent. Take a look at one group leading the charge. Semi surging 6 % since Monday as the AI trade catches a renewed bid. Estera Labs, Qualcomm and Intel seeing the biggest gains. So as we get ready to wrap up the month of the quarter, what does the stock action tell you, Tim?

2:31It tells me that equity growth is all about the dynamic that is semiconductors and what we've also seen in follow through from Meta and what we've seen from Microsoft. So I think if you look at semis, which, as you noted, have had a big week, they've outperformed the S &P by almost 10 percent since you started to see this upward move in rates. And some of this is just being ratified on demand by what's going on in Meta. They demand for CPU for sure, the follow through there. So that's the story. Week over week, we're actually up 17, 18 bps on the long end. And yet the S &P was up about 75 to 80 S &P points.

3:11and semis really outperformed. That's the story for equities right now. And if we were in a normalized move higher in bond yields, I think people would always be looking at equity growth and the fact that the equity world often isn't as reliant on financing. Now, we're in a kind of different world as we talk about all the time. So I think the resilience of the stock market is extraordinary. I think the move in the bond market has been extraordinary. I think at some point, it's a little overdone here. I mean, I just think you have to take a breath, and we started to see that by the end of the week.

3:43Mike, you think it's overdone? I think, you know, taking a bit of a pause here would make a great deal of sense. You know, as rates have gone higher and at the speed that they've gone higher, I think it's really interesting how the VIX ended the week, frankly. You know, being sub-15 in the VIX, which is, you know, the 30-day forward-looking implied volatility or expectation for volatility in the S &P 500, I think it's shockingly low in many respects. And I think it just makes a lot of sense for people to take a look at potentially introducing a couple of hedges here because they're quite inexpensive.

4:19And if this continues, at some point, one would expect something to break. But, you know, as far as what Tim was talking about with respect to semis, you know, normally when you see rates go higher and we think about technology, we think about long duration equity. But a lot of these names, maybe AMD accepted from that, which broke into the trillion dollar club this week, a lot of those names are not trading at huge multiples. And I think that's one of the reasons that they've managed to hold in there a little better than you might otherwise have expected them to.

4:49Guy Adami:Well, so much is new and yet so much is the same. I mean, in terms of the equity market, and there's no way around this, it's just the ongoing story of a few super cap important names driving not only at the earnings level, but at the performance level. I mean, year to date, if you just look at the S &P 500, only about 35, 36 percent of the constituents are outperforming the benchmark. We also know that only two sectors are outperforming the index, two of the parts that compose the whole energy sector. But it's small. It's only 4 percent. And it's tech. So the same message is that it keeps, and yet the aggregate holds up, and there's been hyper-rotation, all because of this non-fear, right, of oil, non-fear of rates.

5:32Guy Adami:For now, they're contained. Now, the question we're all wondering, what is the tipping point? But it is not this moment here. That's it. And now it's a question of do you play for some mean reversion? One of the most extreme readings right now, we have 2 ,000 base points of spread between two of the oldest indices in existence, the Dow Jones utility average and the Dow Jones industrial average on a six-month basis. History shows that you play for mean reversion. So it's overdone, as expressed in the equity market by utilities or as Tim was playing, a little overdone in the rates as well. Maybe you can look at it another way, though, and that is maybe the markets are being very rational about where they penalize sectors in the markets.

6:11Maybe you shouldn't penalize technology because it is less reliant on and less impacted by the narrative of higher inflation, higher energy prices, etc. And you should penalize the rest of the S &P 500. That is non-tech, which we are seeing play out with the RRSP versus the S &P 500 or the utilities versus the S &P 500. Bonoan. Yes. So I'm with the with everyone else and saying that I think the concentration is a little bit concerning and will make you double take. with that said, to your point, I'm not quite sure that I would label it as illogical. You see IWM and small caps suffering because of the higher imported refinancing costs and carrying costs.

6:54And then, you know, if you think about the fact that we have higher rates and you're now essentially discounting at a higher rate, you would think that, yes, growth technology would get punished. But the flip side of that coin is that that is where the earnings growth has highly been concentrated. And so if you look at it from that lens, it's essentially a race against where are you getting higher ROI in the earnings growth in this concentrated cohort, or should you be looking elsewhere? I do think the pace of the move in fixed income, in bonds, treasury specifically, I think is a bit concerning.

7:32And it is a bit of a canary in a coal mine, but I can see the logic as to why we have the dynamic that we currently have. Yeah. Mike Coe, do you like semis here? Yeah, I mean, look, we've got some big news coming up because we've got, as you alluded to, we've got Micron coming in next week. And I don't expect any news to be disappointing in the near term in that space. And like I was saying before, you know, the multiple is such that if you're looking at something like a Micron, which is trading at, call it seven times actually less next year's earnings, It's kind of hard if you think that they're going to maintain that for any length of time to understand why it would go materially lower from here.

8:14So I think you can still stick with this trade. NVIDIA also. AMD, like I alluded to before, is probably the name that, to me at least, looks like the multiple is still anticipating a lot of good news rather than pricing in the good news that's already here. All right. Meantime, let's let's take a look at some of the stocks that currently have higher dividend yields than 10 year U.S. Treasuries. We thought this might be an interesting exercise here from staples to transport to telecoms, all with yields of six percent or more. And so we are wondering which is better for your portfolio or a would you rather, if you will.

8:50So, Mike, we'll start off with you, General Mills or Treasuries. And by the way, you can pick any, you know, you want to go two year, five year, 10 year, your pick Treasuries. You know, actually, I'm going to take Treasuries here because if we do have a pullback in rates, I think you have more upside than you do in General Mills. So, yeah, I mean, I'm not a huge fan of that one as we look at it. So that one was pretty easy.

9:15Guy Adami:Yeah. Are you? Treasuries. Well, let's remember, there's a very handsome ETF. It's DVY, right, which features a lot of these things like Bill of Morris and AT &T. And it is making all-time relative lows to SPY right now. Now, you know, these are non-growth, often very expensive stocks that are bond-like, but they are not bonds. That is true. Period. I guess I don't have to ask you what you think about all the others then. We've got a couple more here. We have to look at their chart patterns and see, but the concept is the concept. Fair enough. All right, Bono, we'll go to you on this next one.

9:49UPS or the 10-year? Also treasuries, although it's closer than General Mills. I mean, the issue with UPS is that, you know, if you're looking at dividend yield, you're looking at making sure that you have capital preservation and that the total return, this is a total return question. My concerns about UPS is, is there sufficient free cash flow to substantiate and maintain their current div yield level and for it to grow? And at roughly 102, 103 percent of free cash flow, that is a concern for me. So adjusting for the risk, I think I'd prefer the sure thing with Treasury. Tim, I want to get your – you'll have yours, but your thoughts on UPS since you dabble in that.

10:32I'm on UPS. I have clients in UPS, and I think it's a story where I would never own UPS for the dividend. I think the dividend's safe. I think they've had some concerns on package volumes. The Amazon trend, which we knew was substantially getting cut, it was a lot worse than we saw. this is an ROI story. This is where they are in their ground business. I just think package volumes have not been great. And I would look at FedEx and UPS in tandem and say, I mean, UPS is down 20 % in two months. And I just wonder if transports are telling us something. But I like UPS. I like the turnaround there.

11:11And it's not for the dividend yield, but that allows me some comfort to stay there.

11:16Guy Adami:Not a great pattern. I mean, yeah. Tim, this is yours. Verizon or Treasuries? Well, my final trade last night was the two-year note. So I hate to fall in line with the rest of the guys because it's nice to be different. I think Verizon for me is, I've owned Verizon and AT &T over the years, and I just don't like the melting ice cube. I also think that while we're through a period where there was real predatory margin erosion and an overly aggressive competitive environment. I just think that this is a case where, sure, Fios is working. They have places where they're growing fiber. But if I'm going for a div play in what were the traditional old, whether it was telcos, utils, or tobacco stocks, I mean, I know you didn't ask me about this one, but I'm Long Altria, and I'd rather own something like that than a telco name here.

12:11All right. Our next guest says it is highly probable the 10-year Treasury yield will hit 6 % within months. Ben Emmons is founder and chief investment officer at FedWatch Advisors. Ben, good to see you. Good to see you. In person. So 6%. Is this a 6 % that the markets will take in stride? I mean, we seem to have been taking in stride all of this sort of increase that we've seen so far. Is 6 % the tipping point? Yeah, that's a tough question, but it could be because at that level, I would think that rates are that restricted. if the economy starts to slow down much more than what we're seeing currently.

12:47In fact, the economy is actually accelerating. You know, the move in rates we had this week was really the PMI data that triggered the initial start with the Fed coming over and then the auction and all that sort of stuff. But I think at 6%, you're getting like real interest rates that are more north of like 4 % in the bow, or like at least three and a half. If you think that the target will be reached and that will be, I think, not only causing a slowdown, I'm getting like volatility in markets that is much more than what we've seen with the VIX now, which is really subdued. Right. We should be clear that this forecast for 6 percent is by January.

13:21So this is a very near term sort of forecast. The thing about interest rates is that it has to be it's not just the overall economy. I mean, the AI sector is so strong, you'd really have to, I don't want to say kill, but really dampen the growth in the rest of the economy in order to sort of offset that, what seems like, growth in the AI sector that will not abate? No, because I'm almost like with the regulation that we've seen coming through in a little discussion, that actually makes a bull case for AI, because if it becomes more regulated, just like with Bitcoin, you know, you're getting institutional backing, you know, that people are not nervous about.

13:59This is too rogue and I don't want to invest in it anymore. And so that will keep driving the economy. The investment, I think, will not slow down. But 6 % rates are like this will bring the housing market really in a crunch, which is 10 % of the economy. Plus, I do think that corporations and municipalities and the borrowing rates being that high is going to slow down activity and therefore slow down the economy. So we'll see how it plays out. I think, Mel, that 6 % is sort of a math thing initially, because if you look at the 10-year rate discounted forward, it's currently at 6 % or higher. And the market's been somewhat consistent at that level.

14:35And that's why I base my idea on that. If we're breaking here the 0.7 highs at 5.3 or about, then 6 % is a very probable scenario, and that's it.

14:46Guy Adami:Obviously, you have to pick a level, right? Now, this is not talking cheap, but why not 5.95, meaning the point is there's 6.02. So 6, a round number, we get that. What about 6 do you think? It's really ready to change, and we know that, right? It's how quickly. Were we to go there tomorrow, I think we'd all agree, problems, right, so to speak. But January, could it handle, because it's handled this so far, and one of the things about the sort of super cap names is that they are trading at market multiples. Google's below an S &P multiple. NetVity is below an S &P multiple. Meta is at up, meaning so that some of the valuation has been expunged.

15:19Guy Adami:The question is, and really what you were alluding to, housing, It can be also that it hurts the economy, but the market still endures. Do you obviously, housing, autos, these things are, look at the restaurant stocks, a lot of it's under extreme pressure. And yet the S &P has not responded in its aggregation. But you think at six, the S &P itself would finally respond? I would think so, because, you know, getting to 6 % does mean that the Federal Reserve has to hike more than what's currently forecasted by them. and how they, their language we've seen this week, because that was somewhat about moderate rate hike, which means maybe one, two, three from here.

15:58That doesn't get us exactly to 6%. It gets, we get to 6 % or higher if this Fed starts to change course because the inflation rate becomes more and more of a problematic issue for them. We'll see how that, again, how this will really play out. I just wanted to make the point of that 5.3. I was three years ago on the show making that call. We're kind of there. And at that time, it was viewed also like, whoa, this would be problematic. And it isn't because GDP has expanded alongside rates. Everybody knows this. And investment keeps expanding GDP. But 6 % is a different level, I think. To Rick Santelli, Sanof, retirement, he made these points too.

16:39You're getting to the point where mean reversion starts to play, which is really the long-term average of 10-year rates, which is actually higher, more like 7%. That would be a very different story. Hey, Ben, Tim. So sometimes higher rates are self-fulfilling to lower rates, right? I mean, there's ultimately you can choke things off. But I would make an argument. You noted the PMI activity this week. You can't tell me that we're in a generational moment in terms of CapEx and global growth, synchronized global growth. So, in fact, if the economy was flailing, we wouldn't be talking about 6%. We wouldn't be talking about 550.

17:15And therefore, isn't ultimately some of this appropriate and actually nothing to fear if the commensurate growth is there? And with that, some inflation. But global central banks are in gear. I mean, this is a synchronized monetary, dare we say, it's a cycle. It's not a dose. So, I don't know. I know this is not a question, but I guess drill in on the growth side of this and maybe say this isn't as big of a deficit issue. No, it's not. I think you're right, Tim, because if growth stays, say, well above 2%, you know, the deficit gets more controlled, right? Every time we grow the economy faster, we keep at least that GDP ratio somewhat of a controllable way.

17:57And I think that's what interest may be reflecting to an extent. But I also want to think about that if growth is strong here and is strong in Japan and is strong in Germany and it's synchronized and it's a global investment cycle, then, yes, it lives everywhere, all boats that central banks will go along with that in terms of raising rates. So you're getting more of an average long-term rate being higher than where we are currently, driven by short-term rates that are going higher. At some point, this becomes restrictive enough that long rates start to decline. That's, I think, likely. It's just I don't think we're at a level here right now.

18:31You know, otherwise we would have not been here. We would have already been much lower in rates, right, if 5 % was an issue. So think of it that way, too. It is a reflection of growth, Tim. I think you're totally right. Like, I think this is an economy that's accelerating to the point that we can debate at another time is that could it overheat? And then the problems are really in terms of rates are too high and the economy is overheating. Ben, good to see you in person. Yeah, thank you. Ben Evans, FedWatch. Maiko, let's say Ben is right, 6 % by January 1st. What are the ramifications of that?

19:05Well, I think 6 % is interesting in part because, you know, I think that when people are looking at it from the outside and thinking about what their, you know, for example, a home mortgage, which is going to be driven in part off the 10-year, psychologically, 6 % is a big number. And we actually haven't seen that number since 2000. So you've got to go back a long way. And we lived in a very different world at that time. We had effectively a balanced federal budget, or very close to it, which is almost inconceivable at this moment. And the median income to home price level at that time was also materially different.

19:45So a lot more things break at 6 % now than back then. So I think that psychologically that's going to be pretty harmful. And I imagine that eventually it's going to hit equities. All right. Meantime, let's get to Washington. Chinese President Xi heading back to Beijing after his high-profile state visit to D.C. CNBC's Eamon Javris got the latest developments from the White House. Eamon. Melissa, we don't have any announcements yet of any deliverables or deals that were negotiated during the course of this two-day summit between the two leaders. Of course, Xi Jinping was wheels up earlier this afternoon back home to Beijing.

20:21We'll see if the White House reads anything out to us over the weekend. The White House did just put out a statement from the Office of Communications in the past hour. They say the meeting was one of friendship, strength and success. Much has been and much will be accomplished. But in this press release they put out, they don't list any actual deliverables or results from the summit. They talk about the drill platoon, the military review, the flyover, the discussions that they had, the bald eagle that the president presented to President Xi, quotes the president talking about President Xi saying he likes granite.

20:58He's an expert on stone, aside from many other things, and he loves good granite. But nothing here about specific policy outcomes from this. Maybe we will get an announcement, as I say, in the next 24, 48 hours. We did hear from the president earlier today. He suggested maybe there might be some ag wins coming. Here's what he said. I think we've made tremendous strides. We've made great strides, very positive for both countries. I think our farmers are going to be very happy.

21:26Guy Adami:A lot of very positive things happen. But America is very happy about this visit, and I'm sure China is very happy also. So, Melissa, in many ways, the pageantry and the pomp and circumstance of this visit was sort of the point to show that these two leaders have a warm personal relationship. Unfortunately for this White House, the president's decision to ban certain media outlets last week led to a situation where a lot of that pageantry wasn't carried on major American broadcast or cable television networks. So there was really a missed opportunity from the White House's perspective to get that imagery out to America, which they clearly thought was important.

22:06The president said a lot of this event was made for television. and yet in many ways television didn't cover it. Melissa, back over to you. Is it possible that we get any more details about the visitor or deliverables, news about deliverables in the days to come, the hours to come? It is. Anything's possible. Yeah. You know, generally you see sort of post-summit briefing where they'll take reporters behind closed doors, explain how the talks went, what they got, make their announcements, that sort of thing. We haven't seen any indication of anything like that coming, but you just never know. And so you're going to have to keep your eyes peeled for it.

22:42And I think last time in May, we saw announcements of a number of transactions that were expected that just haven't come through yet. So, you know, even when you do see those announcements, sometimes, you know, there's a piece of paper put out, but you don't see the dollars actually flowing after the fact. So we'll see. We'll watch for that. Yeah. Eamon, thank you. Eamon Jadvers at the White House. We should note that there are some other opportunities for the two gentlemen to meet. November, President Trump is scheduled to go to China. And then in December as well, Tim. So it's not like this was it.

23:15Eunice, you made an interesting point in closing Bell Overtime, and that is the inaction was actually a good thing, could be viewed as a good thing. That keeping status quo and delivering on stability between the relationship is actually an upside. I'm not sure if that's glass half full interpretation of what's come out, but I thought that was an interesting point. I think just diplomacy and diplomatic communication within the ranks, and again, I would be talking as much about the diplomats and the people on both sides that are the best and the brightest that are having these conversations, is good for both countries.

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23:48I don't think we're going to agree. I don't think either side is going to give any ground on AI supremacy. I don't think China wants to give up any leverage in terms of rare earth. I do think ag is a place to cooperate, and I think we can agree to disagree. Taiwan is a big deal and something that I'm sure wasn't even talked about. Coming up, Copilot playing catch up on Claude. How Microsoft is switching its AI strategy to take on the competition that's next. Plus, Moderna seeing even more gains this week, now of nearly 600 percent this year. What the CEO is saying about the company's future ahead.

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26:12Welcome back to Fast Money. Shares of Microsoft leaping almost 4 % today after the software giant announced. a shift in its co-pilot AI strategy to take on competition. CNBC's Mackenzie Cigales has got the details. Mac. Hey, Mel. So Microsoft is overhauling its flagship co-pilot app, combining coding, AI agents, and Office work into one product as it tries to challenge Anthropic and OpenAI. Now, until this point, Microsoft has kept its GitHub coding tool separate from its Office Assistant, which uses AI agents to automate tasks. This redesigned app combines both with a new feature called Autopilot that lets employees build AI agents that communicate through Teams and Outlook.

26:53Microsoft is also changing its pricing model. Now, it's moving away from a flat monthly subscription toward usage-based pricing. Businesses will still pay$30 per user each month for Copilot, but then pay extra based on how much they use its advanced AI features, potentially driving those costs much higher. There's a lot at stake here. Microsoft has more than 450 million commercial office seats, but fewer than 7 % have paid licenses for its AI add-on. Microsoft's own co-pilot executive acknowledging to CNBC earlier today that adding coding is an example of the company playing catch-up as competition intensifies from OpenAI, Anthropic, and even Meta's new Muse app.

27:35Also keep in mind, while Microsoft develops its own AI models, it is still relying on tech from OpenAI and Anthropic companies that it's also competing against in the enterprise. Mel? I'm going to ask you about a little nitty-gritty thing in your hit, Matt, because it just caught my attention. You said create AI agents that will communicate to each other via Teams and Outlook. So these agents are actually going to use those apps to communicate with each other? And this is something that Satya Nadella had been teasing back in June, essentially the super app that would compete in a similar way to Anthropic and OpenAI that have been bundling a lot of these offerings together.

28:10So my understanding of how this works, and we'll get a sense of whether in practice this is efficient once enterprises actually start deploying this, because to this point, I mean, less than 7 percent of that 450 million enterprise user base actually opting into these AI features. So I don't think this has been pressure tested to this point. So we'll have to see how that actually works out. That caught my attention, too, Mel. It's fascinating. Mac, thanks. Mackenzie Cigalos. Bono, and are we going to look back? Is this going to be that Muse moment? Muse is to Meta as co-pilot, revamp, AI agent is to Microsoft.

28:44I'm not sure if we're talking about the price action of the stock. I mean, Meta's run the last five or seven days is pretty incredible post-release of that. And I think it was because they were a dark horse candidate that we didn't really think were even in the race. But definitely in the early innings, they were not a perceived player. I do think this is intelligent by Microsoft, essentially wrapping all of this behind this co-pilot and code platform where you can use these other features within, as opposed to having some standalone, another, I don't know, icon on your desktop, so to speak. I think adoption ultimately is going to be the bar to get over.

29:21I mean, you've got to get people to kind of use this. And I'm not sure if this is somewhat of a look through in terms of the competition that is coming down the road in terms of pricing around inference. That seems to be a bit of a subtlety that they are playing on as well. Yeah. Mike, your thoughts? Yeah, I mean, well, first of all, that was quite funny thinking about agents of the same AI communicating with each other over a legacy messaging platform. That would be pretty amusing. Maybe they'll send each other snail mail next. That would certainly be something. Look, I mean, Microsoft has a very sticky position.

30:00And in order to maintain that, they are obviously going to have to continue to innovate in this space. And they seem to be doing that. I think that's the good news. The bad news is, just as a big user of them, I can say that so far it's been pretty clunky and not always pleasant. So that's a little bit of a challenge. As far as meta is concerned, I think the Muse thing, certainly the hardware side of that, is particularly intriguing because normally we think of them as sort of on other hardware platforms. And this kind of challenges the Apple and, you know, Droid device duopoly. So I think in the Meta situation, this is potentially, I think one person described it as a potential iPod moment.

30:41I don't know if it is that or not, but it is pretty intriguing that they're making another venture into hardware. Meta or Microsoft? Well, interesting.

30:51Guy Adami:Meta has done what Microsoft did. So Microsoft in June 25th, and here we are three months later, it surged some 40 % and then it's been dead flat. That's the nature of sequencing. After a big move, you consolidate. And just now it's starting to move up and out of the range in which it's been consolidated. Whereas Meta has just had that kind of move. And I would expect the same kind of consolidation that Microsoft has had for the last month and a half. So here and now I like Microsoft better than Meta. There's a lot more fast money to come. Here's what's coming up next. A medical marvel. Moderna shares locking in another big week.

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33:42Welcome back to Fast Money. Chart of the week goes to Moderna. Shares of the biotech company hit their highest level since January 2023. Today, now up a whopping 574 % this year. CEO Stefan Bancel said at a Bernstein conference this week that Moderna is more than just a COVID vaccine company, but did warn of the potential for bad actors to use AI to create a respiratory virus. That's frightening. Moderna peaked at nearly 500 bucks a share at the height of the pandemic, down 60 % since, But it has come back, Tim. And a cancer vaccine sounds pretty promising. Yeah, the melanoma news, I think, was the first move.

34:22But judging by or taking those comments a little bit further, my sense is that there's more of a generalist audience now than there's been in a while. And leaving aside when everybody knew who Moderna was in COVID and then quickly dropped it because that's all it was. the sense here is that there is exposure and that they could have six or seven drugs by 2028 that include rare disease oncology including all their flu stuff so i i there's a story here that my guess is there's a lot more support a lot more interest for the stock and what they're showing in terms of some of these trials is supporting that but the melanoma news was was i thought really what woke people up to to what this that other stuff has been going on for a long time Those are the parts of the pipeline.

35:09Yep. Coming up, Carter Braxton Wirth and Mike Coe are bringing us the technical take and the options action on Micron as the semi-giant gears up for earnings next week. Can that stock's massive move higher continue when Fast Money returns?

35:27Welcome back to Fast Money. Shares of Micron on a tear this year are nearly quadrupling in 2026 as the growing AI data center buildout fuels demand for memory chips. So with results on deck next week and with both Mike and Carter joining us tonight, we thought it'd be perfect opportunity to lay out some old school options action. Let's kick it off with the technical take, as we always do. Carter.

35:48Guy Adami:Here we go. Well, not for the faint of heart, you're talking about a stock that went from 300 to 1200, then lost about 45 percent of its value and is sitting right here. Let's put some lines on it. So second iteration. One way to depict the current circumstances is this, which is converging trend lines. We're working into the apex of the formation, and what resolves it is fundamentals. You get something like earnings, and that's what's coming. Another iteration, just to make it clear how precise this is, the upward sloping trend line, we have bounced off it to the penny, to the penny, to the penny, and here we are, the downward sloping.

36:24Guy Adami:And we rallied to the penny and have been backing and filling in stuck. Something has to give. last chart. This is a judgment, of course, line, meaning I think it's up and out. I'd play for around 1 ,200. And from there, over to Mike. Mike. Yeah, so let's talk about those fundamentals very quickly. First of all, they're expected to do about 73 and a half bucks in adjusted EPS for the fiscal year that just ended. That's what they're going to be reporting. And that would put the stock at about 14.7 times trailing earnings. It's trading at less than seven times forward anticipated earnings. So I think if the market gets what they're hoping for, there is reason to believe that the stock can hold in here or even go higher.

37:06And as we look at the options market right now, it's implying a move of about 6%. That's below average. Maybe not surprising, given we're talking about a$1.2 trillion company. I think you take advantage of that slightly discounted options premium and look out to November. I was looking at the 1100, $1 ,350 call spread. Buying those$1 ,100, those were going to cost about$97, and then selling the$1 ,350 for around$31.25. So you're risking about 6 % of the current stock price, and you get some upside participation, and you also give yourself some time, in fact, all the way through the midterms in addition to just earnings.

37:38So this, I think, is a way that you can define the risk. Don't have to worry about those kind of 40 % drawdowns that Carter was just talking about. Bonwin, do you like this trade? I do. If you look at what your max loss is versus your max gain, you're in there between two and a half to three times, which is a pretty good risk reward. I like situations where you can risk one to win three. I think it's well laid out by Mike. Tim, I just spoke to an analyst in the last hour, and he was raising his estimates because he found that ASPs in the August quarter, and he's expecting the November quarter, are actually still rising.

38:13Well, first of all, it's a privilege to be in the middle of an options action episode. And I tend to agree. I think part of longer term visibility for Micron has been part of the story on the rebound. I would also just point to a couple other charts, but notably Korea. I mean, the KOSPI has slowly been itching higher. It's now back above the 50, has been very under control. And along with semis, I mean, that's your support for Micron on some level as well. All right. Coming up, yields spiking this week, but stocks are still hovering near record highs. How investors are feeling about the latest market moves and their top concerns heading into the fourth quarter.

38:49Fast Money is back in two.

38:56Welcome back to Fast Money. Investopedia's latest read on investor sentiment is in. And with geopolitical conflict, inflation, and potential AI bubbles, investors are moving cautiously. Joining us here on set is Caleb Silver, chief business editor of People, Inc., and editor-in-chief of Investopedia. Caleb, always good to see you. And this is a change just since the last reading. People are demonstrably more cautious. Yeah, individual investors have been more reticent than institutional investors, who are as bullish as they've been in a long time. But they're pulling back even more. Individuals have been through a lot, a little house of horrors.

39:27It's not even October yet. But just think about everything we've been through from the end of the last quarter. And they're kind of remaining invested. No major changes. But when they do put new money to work, it's mostly towards ETFs and money market funds doing some trading on the outside, but not a lot of risk going on. It seems like their biggest concerns are all interrelated, right? Iran, war, inflation, oil prices, sort of like a mixture. It's all connected. And they're worried that inflation could potentially cause a recession. Not everyone's worried about that, but a growing number are worried about that.

39:58And that optimism, that's waned about 20 percentage points just since the end of June. And that is because of everything that's gone on with the rising yields, rising oil prices, inflation. We've been through a little mini rate hike here. They've been through a lot. And they're wondering, is the worst over yet? Because there's a lot of concern still that we haven't seen the worst. What was interesting to me, I mean, all of it's interesting, but in terms of how many investors think that the AI stocks are overvalued. And it does seem like more than in the past. Yeah, more think that it's overvalued, yet those are the ones we own in our portfolios.

40:32And we may think things are in a bubble and we may fear that it might be overpriced or overvalued. It doesn't mean we're trading out of them wholeheartedly. A lot of people have positions in these stocks going back several years sitting on very big gains. And that's a taxable problem for them on the one hand. On the other hand, they're wondering with some of the other sectors that have rallied, like oil, is that sector looking overvalued right now, too? So it's not one thing. It's the other. That said, remaining in there, not wholesaling out to cash, but when they are, again, putting new money to work, they're looking for options.

40:59Guy Adami:Within the ETFs, obviously, you're studying patterns, essentially, how behavior shows up in terms of movement and so forth. Is there something that's really an outlier at this particular moment? Like there's a lot of particular interest or however you want to measure it in a particular space within the ETF universe? Yeah. Look at oil. Look at the refiners. Look at sort of the mid-range refiners there. I was looking at some of the top funds that they're buying, AMLP, the Midstream Energy ETF. That's taken over a billion dollars in inflows. That's not$80 billion, but still, for an oil ETF, that's a lot.

41:30USO continues to get a lot of attention as well. They were all in on the semi-trade with DRAM and others a few months back. They pulled way out of that. Though, when they are nibbling, they are nibbling at individual stocks still in the semi-sector. I imagine this survey was in the field prior to the recent surge in rates. Oh, it was in the field all this week. All this week. So they felt that. They felt the rate hike from last week. All the things that have boiled up, this really, we closed on Wednesday night. So you're looking at data that is like 36 hours old. So the extra$10 ,000 question, do you think CDs rose?

42:01CDs are definitely higher, but you also have a lot more interest in individual stocks because some of the big names have traded off. So if they put new money to work, it's either going to be in ETFs or individual stocks. But then the next choices are all about saving money, high-yield savings. They're thinking about CDs in some cases and even paying down debt. So higher rates get your attention one way or the other.

42:19Guy Adami:Anything on TLT, just because we were all making the case that, hey, maybe treasuries versus some of these high-yielding sort of going nowhere consumer stable stocks, anything coming up in Shai or TLT? Not TLT, but the shorter term, the shorter duration bond funds have definitely seen a lot of attention and a lot of inflows. They're paying attention to that. I don't see individual investors making those moves a lot on their own, but definitely through their wealth advisors and their financial advisors. Those have been big ticker names on the ETF front. We hit what they're buying lately. What are they selling?

42:48This list is interesting, what they are selling lately. Yeah, selling Palantir, sold some Microsoft, although Microsoft people have been sitting on some big gains for a very long time. ServiceNow was on that list. Salesforce was on that list. Oracle was on that list. Interesting on the buy side, didn't see Moderna, which is a stock that you pointed out earlier, or a couple of the other high flyers like SanDisk or even Dell. Caleb, always great to see you. Thank you. Thank you, Caleb Silver. Coming up, a super host sell-off, shares of Airbnb under pressure the last few weeks, but could the stock be ready to rebound?

43:18But the Chartmaster sees in the technicals when Fast Money returns.

43:26Welcome back to Fast Money. Airbnb shares up today but still down 17 % over the last month. The Chartmaster says the stock could be a buy, though, at these levels. Carter, what do you see?

43:35Guy Adami:Yeah, so an interesting circumstance here, and we do have some charts, but conceptually it is this. This is a stock that had a tremendous move on its earnings, and you'll see that in some of the charts that populate here. Up in a course of two weeks, almost 25%. And it has given all of that back. And so that leaves us back at the point before good news was released, but we have the information associated with the good news. And so in principle, if you can use this word, it's cheaper, meaning the denominator moved up in response to that earnings beat, and the stock now is back to where it was before the earnings beat.

44:15Guy Adami:Next iteration, we can just kind of move through them at a normal pace here. We are into a level of support. So you see the up and the down. Next chart, it's all the same duration. We are down to a well-defined uptrend line. In effect, since those lows, another way to draw it, if one wants, would be as follows. Again, the breakout level, we're back to it. So support, importantly, is not a plywood board or a concrete floor. You sink into support. We are now into support. And surely it can go a little bit lower. But any weakness from here and here, I would be buying final chart. You'll see that from its lows, a well-defined series of higher lows and higher highs.

44:54Guy Adami:Buy it, sell it. We're buyers. OK, Bonwin, are you? Yeah, I think so. I'm not sure I have the same level of conviction, but I haven't done the same level of homework as Carter. But on the fundamental side, I will say that you have a situation where you have an asset-light business with a robust free cash flow and not an exorbitant debt load. All those things would be something that would lead me to look further into the story. And so, yes, I would say I'm a cautious buyer. Michael. I'm a pretty enthusiastic buyer, actually. We were talking about yields earlier, and Bono just alluded to this. I mean, this thing's looking at probably 7 % pre-cash flow yield, ex-cash, and a very strong balance sheet.

45:35So, I mean, as I look at it, this is the kind of thing you hope for if you're into funny mentals rather than the charts. But it sounds like the charts line up with that as well. Yeah. Tim, what do you think of Airbnb? I think that the whole MUSE dynamic that is what took it down. And so I am of the view. And what we hear from people, the analyst community seems to also be trying out these agents and saying this is actually helping the online, the OTAs, essentially. So I think it's an opportunity as well, especially with that good news from earnings in there. I just think the market has overreacted to a lot of names like this yet again.

46:12Just quickly, Carter, does this look idiosyncratic relative to hotel stocks?

46:18Guy Adami:Well, yes, of course, hotel stocks have all been sort of slumping. If you look at Hyatt, Hilton, Marriott, and others, the strength was idiosyncratic. It was based on its results. And the giveback, also extraordinary and idiosyncratic. Up next, final trades.

46:37Final trade time, Timbo. I like Carter's consolidation at Microsoft. And I actually think the fundamentals and the drivers around Copilot are there. The trend is there. I would buy Microsoft. Bono in. I'm not willing to chase Moderna where it currently is after the run, but I do like its dancing partner. So, Mark. Mike Coe. It's big for the market, and of course it's big for Micron. This is the earnings that we're paying attention to next week. You want to use options, though, to make that bet. Carter Braxton Worth.

47:08Guy Adami:You know, Salesforce, it has pulled back after earnings, and I think it's time to embrace it after the good earnings. Thanks for watching Fast Money. Have a great weekend. Mad Money starts right now. Thank you.

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Stocks closing out the week with a gain, as markets hold up despite the surge in yields. How the historic move in bond market are impacting equities, and the stocks and sectors showing strength in the face of rising rates. Plus, Microsoft looks to beef up Copilot to catch-up to the competition, Moderna’s massive move higher continues, and an old school options action on Micron; where the Chartmaster and Professor Khouw see the semi giant heading next.

 

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