Amazon Prime Day Lifts Retailers Ahead of Key Inflation Data, and the Three Stocks that One Chart Watcher Says Are Ready to Bounce 7/11/23

11 Jul 2023 · 45 min

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Podcast Summary: CNBC's "Fast Money" Episode on Amazon Prime Day and Retail Trends

Episode Title Amazon Prime Day Lifts Retailers Ahead of Key Inflation Data, and the Three Stocks that One Chart Watcher Says Are Ready to Bounce 7/11/23

Episode Overview In this episode of "Fast Money," hosted by Melissa Lee, a panel of traders discusses the implications of Amazon's Prime Day on the retail sector, inflation trends, and stock performance. Notable guests include Katie Stockton from Fairlead Strategies, who shares insights on stocks positioned for potential gains.

Key Topics Covered

Amazon Prime Day Impact

  • Prime Day Sales: Amazon's annual Prime Day is boosting stock prices across various retailers including Etsy, Nordstrom, and Kohl's.
  • Market Sentiment: The ongoing optimism in retail is linked to anticipated consumer spending, despite inflationary pressures. The panel anticipates the Consumer Price Index (CPI) report which is expected to show slower inflation.

Retail Sector Analysis

  • Consumer Spending Trends:
  • There is a strong belief that as long as the stock market performs well, consumer spending will remain robust.
  • Retailers like TJ Maxx are performing exceptionally well, while others like Target are struggling to adapt.
  • Amazon's Competitive Position: The discussion touches on whether Amazon's dominance is affecting competitors' margins and sales.

Stock Insights from Katie Stockton

  • Chart Analysis: Katie shares three stocks that she believes are on the verge of upward movement:
  • Amazon: Given its bullish momentum and strong recent performance.
  • Home Depot: Showing similar bullish trends and is expected to report favorable earnings.
  • Costco: Also has demonstrated strong price action and is on the radar for potential growth.

Other Retail Considerations

  • Weight Loss Drug Concerns: Stocks of Lilly and Novo Nordisk are under scrutiny due to new data revealing that only a third of patients stick with their weight loss medications beyond a year.
  • Pharmaceutical Valuation: The panel debates the high valuations of these pharmaceutical companies amid changing consumer behaviors and market expectations.

Economic Outlook

  • Earnings Season: As earnings reports approach, the panel highlights the importance of consumer behavior and retail sales data in shaping market sentiment.
  • Potential Downturn: Bill Simon, former Walmart U.S. CEO, discusses which retailers are best positioned to weather an anticipated economic downturn, indicating that Walmart's diverse product mix gives it an edge over Target.

Conclusion The episode emphasizes the impact of Amazon Prime Day on the broader retail sector, explores consumer behavior amidst inflation, and highlights stock opportunities as the market prepares for earnings season. The discussions provide valuable insights for investors looking to navigate the current economic landscape.

Key Takeaways

  • Retail Resilience: Despite inflation concerns, consumer spending remains strong.
  • Stock Selection: Focus on fundamentals and momentum in stock selection as earnings reports approach.
  • Market Trends: Pay attention to competitive dynamics within the retail sector and how companies adapt to changing consumer behaviors.

For further insights, listeners can visit [CNBC's Fast Money website](http://fastmoney.cnbc.com).

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0:01Right now in Fast, shaking it off from industrials to housing names to high end retail. Why a host of stocks and sectors are shrugging off rising rates and rocketing to record highs. will break down the somewhat head-scratching trend, plus obesity overload. Investors have been fattening up on shares of Lilly and Novo Nordisk, but will new scrutiny of their weight loss drugs bring those stocks back to earth? We'll debate that. And later, streaming higher thanks to shopping from your couch, an upgrade raising the value of one real estate stock, and the Barbie effect. Yep, one of our traders says it's a thing.

0:31I'm Melissa Lee. This is Fast Money. We're live from the Nasdaq Market site on the desk tonight. Tim Seymour, Karen Fireman, Guy Dami, and with us for the hour tonight, Katie Stockton, the founder of Fairleaf Strategies. Welcome, Katie. Thank you. And we start off with a prime day palooza. The 48-hour sale event is currently underway. Prices may be down for shoppers, but shares are up for Amazon investors and a rising tide lifting a bunch of retail boats today. Etsy, Nordstrom, Gap, Kohl's, Chewy all seeing green on the street. This strength comes as we await a key read on inflation due out tomorrow morning.

1:00Consumer prices expected to grow at the slowest pace since March 2021. But will that be enough to keep shoppers spending? You know, what's interesting is that prices have gone higher for a lot of goods. And so we are seeing discounts, but off of a different kind of base, Guy. No doubt about it. And your answer to your question is, as long as nothing breaks, and when I say breaks, it's typically a stock market, consumers will spend. And it's not to suggest everybody owns stocks, but the market goes up every day. People feel better about things. The economy must be good. I can go out there and spend regardless of whether or not I should be.

1:32We say it all the time. Never underestimate the U.S. consumers want to spend. Some of these retailers have been extraordinarily well. We talk about TJ Maxx. I think Karen brings it up. That stock's made an all-time high, I think, late last week, earlier this week. Continues to trade higher in earnings in August. Then the flip side of the coin is Target. Exactly. Retailers that can't figure it out. So Target. So you have to, you can't just sort of paint with a broad brush here. You actually have to pick the right companies. But is Amazon the right kind of retailer for this day and age, Karen? Well, we don't know what the real value of the retail business is, right?

2:04They spend so much money to build up that business, and it seems like anytime they want, they can take that spend down and we can see real operating margins as opposed to the really thin ones here. But it's just so dominating. I mean, I'm sure they're going to come out with massive numbers. I don't even know that it's so much what Amazon does. It's what does it take away from everybody else? And so you talk about a target. I think a target is, unfortunately, not the beneficiary. And then with the consumer being a little bit strapped, you know, Walmart's food business is so much better for Walmart.

2:37So Target, which I do own, has been disappointing. I think that that higher good, the sort of higher margin goods that they sell are not really what's working right now. It's not just what they take, but also the pressure they put on the other retailers to come up with those sales and the pressure on margins that in turn puts on their competitors. Well, so what you're saying is that maybe it's really the competition between them all. That's maybe the most important thing. And if you think about where we're going to be for this year's Prime Day, some of the numbers I'm reading is that the promotional kind of discount percentages are going to be pre-COVID level.

3:07In other words, they were holding the line in Q1. And obviously there was a huge inventory correction that had to go through. A lot of that's happened. And I think they're going to be aggressive and I think some more aggressive than others. So it's fascinating. In fact, you know, Katie probably has a view just on the relative outperformance of what retail. I mean, retail, we're going to talk about industrials and FedEx next block, but retail's outperformed them all. Yeah, it's been outstanding, especially from Amazon, which had a very sort of distinct bullish reversal. And you talked about Target, too.

3:37Of course, that's a downtrend still. We still want to, as technicians, always go with the leaders, follow the momentum. And it's obviously behind Amazon, both in absolute and relative terms. So when you say it is behind Amazon, that means there's not much left to this stock rise at this point? No, meaning the momentum is behind it. The momentum is behind. So it still has good momentum. This rebalance news seems to have impacted it and the other mega caps to some degree short term. But I have a feeling that should give us an opportunity to add exposure right around earnings. Right. I mean, it's also got AI.

4:11Yes. You whispered that. Hushed tones. Because, I mean, we're talking about Prime, but, I mean, obviously it's a beneficiary of a lot of other trends out there, including the cloud services. I mean, I'll tell you that. From AI. Especially you, Guy. I don't do anything, though, so it's very easy for them. No, I mean, but they've had it for seemingly forever. I mean, they were probably on the forefront of this. And Amazon, we had Jim Osmond on the show a month and a half, two months ago, and he talked about stocks potentially could split up. And I think Tim's talked about this as well. I mean, the breakup of value of Amazon here is probably really interesting.

4:41I'm not saying it's happening tomorrow, but I think with this little stealth rally, more and more people say, you know, maybe there's a chance that they spin out AWS. Maybe the sum of the parts, this becomes an interesting story. And, oh, by the way, maybe they have those tailwinds that Katie just said technically. Yeah. I was talking to somebody from Forrester Research this morning on Spockbox, and she said she believed that North American prime subscribers, that's basically saturated. So at this point, what does Amazon need to do, in your view, to move that needle on the retail side? I don't know really what they need to do that.

5:11I think they are pretty sort of saturated, right? I don't know how many subscribers there are. Raise the price. There's probably some, you know, inelasticity to raising the price in Prime, and that would just fall right to the bottom line. But, I mean, to me, it's more of the AI thing that has really moved Amazon. And AWS is, I don't know how much of the value, because we don't see it, but it's got to be most, if not more than all. and we'll see if cloud can re-accelerate because it actually has been slowing. And I think with AI, there's a good chance that it re-accelerates. I own Amazon and I own Walmart and I own Amazon for different reasons than I own Walmart.

5:51I mean, in Walmart, in other words, I own it for AWS. I'm not saying that Amazon's retail business is not something I'm interested in. And I do believe that their ability to know what we're thinking and adjust very quickly makes them maybe most aggressive. But the one that I think is really pushing people on prices, Walmart, and always has. And it's exciting that we've got their ex-CEO about to come on and talk to us. Because to me, if you look at the year-over-year growth in e-commerce, and obviously this secular trend that we've been talking about for five years, and like so many of those trends that were accelerated during COVID, I mean, Walmart's up 17.5 % year-over-year on their e-commerce.

6:23The other ones aren't even close. You think about the investments Walmart's made into their digital business, into their e-commerce business. And those are things that, to me, are part of margin accretion story at Walmart. and part of why I think you can stay long this name and, you know, I don't know, Katie, the momentum in that chart. Yeah, Walmart, too. I mean, especially compared to Target, right? There's a proper uptrend there, has good momentum, good relative strength, especially for consumer staple stock. Is Target showing any signs of life? You know, the DeMarc indicators, there is a countertrend signal, and they have been timely in the past.

6:55Implications are for about a two-month countertrend move. We'll take what we can get. It's interesting. If we could do a longer-term chart of Walmart to speak to this, we're up against levels we saw in the spring of 2022, this 158 level. I think it closed at 155 or so. So momentum is here. You get a close above that previous all-time high at 22 times earnings, which sounds expensive, but it's probably not expensive in terms of what Walmart's been. This stock could actually accelerate in their earnings, I think, in the middle of August or so. What I'm hearing, though, from you guys, basically, is that Prime Day is nice and it's great, but it's not really going to move the needle in terms of your view on the stock.

7:30Right. Yeah. It's immaterial. Twelve billion dollars of GMB. Yeah, kind of. I mean, when you look at what is the margin on that on that? Right. Right. And relative to the overall size of the company. Yeah. And everybody's sorry. Everybody's piggyback. I mean, this is this is not Amazon's day. This is everybody's day. So Walmart's got their own sales. Target's got their own sales. Best Buy calls. And they're those people that, you know, Target actually doesn't charge people on their loyalty program. And so people are just kind of in. I think, you know, I mean, and this is going to be the best Prime Day since pre-COVID.

8:01So, you know, it's going to be up three, three and a half percent is what they're saying. But I don't think it moves the needle on Amazon. I think it's more because this is about retail. What's going on? I mean, and if you're a value conscious shopper, as many people out there are, you are trained to look for these sales. You know Prime Day is coming up. So you're not going to buy your, let's say, phone chargers and pillow protectors last week. You're going to wait for July 11th to 12th. What are you doing? I'm just saying examples of things people might buy. What are you protecting your pillow from?

8:27I'm just curious. How would I know? Because you're asleep. Clean. Oh, in the morning you wake up. No, no, it's clean. I would hate to know what a dirty pillow is like. No, you brought it. I didn't bring it up, Tim. It's just an example of what one might wait to buy, knowing that a sale is around the corner. So, you know, how much is sort of pulled forward? How much is robbing it from the past in terms of those sales? That$12 billion, would that have been made, would a portion of that have been made at other parts, at other times, maybe at higher margin? Let me ask, let's say Prime Day is a bust.

9:00Do you think that would change the Amazon story? I don't really. But it will tell us something possibly about back to school and about the holiday season. So, I mean, I think we're watching this for different reasons. I think the consumer is behaving differently now. We've heard this from all of them, right? I mean, you know, Walmart's benefiting on the merchandise mix change. and targets suffering. And so, I mean, I think that's really what it comes down to. But I can't get over the pillow protector concept with your guy. Are you telling me, look at your pillows tonight when you go home. You know what, my wife, she's absolutely disgusted at times.

9:36You know, like the cut, you scratch in the middle of the night. Anyway. Wow. Going down the whole road, I didn't anticipate. I regret bringing that up for those of you eating dinner at home. For more on Amazon and likely challenges ahead for retail, let's bring in Bill Simon, former Walmart U.S. CEO. He's now on the Darden Restaurants and Hanes Brands boards. Bill, great to see you. What will you be looking for out of this Prime Day? What are you looking for in terms of clues and what that tells you about Amazon or other retailers? Yeah, I think what we got is a really nice, good old-fashioned retail food fight like we hadn't seen before COVID.

10:11We've got Prime Day. We got Walmart Week. We got Circle Weeks. Everybody's trying to, you know, deep discount and get the consumer to move. The consumer knows, as you guys were just talking, that this is the time for deals. And the discounts are quite deep. I expect to see Amazon do put up some real nice numbers. They're not going to miss. At least they're top line. They've got the algorithm to make sure they get the sales out of it. I think what we really need to look at are the margins and how they do coming out of this from a margin perspective. I hear a lot of talk about downturns, Bill. And you're at Haynes Brands, Darden.

10:44So you have your finger on the pulse here. Who is best positioned if the second half of the year we see this much anticipated downturn in the economy? Yeah, you guys were just talking about it. Walmart's mix. It really gives them that food business gives them the traffic and the trip and the opportunity to sell general merchandise products better than really anybody else, particularly Target. So I like Walmart in the back half. Bill, it's Karen. Thanks for being on. So what do you think, and then we can't break it out, but what do you think Amazon's margins are for the retail side of their business?

11:18Yeah, you know, they don't tell you. That's the interesting part, right? You don't ever really get to figure that out. You look at their earnings and you break it down. And, you know, globally, they're probably breaking even on the retail business, making all their money on AWS and on advertising. And so I'm sure that there is a split up value. I think the whole thing only works together. When you see this food fight going on, Bill, who are you most concerned about in terms of feeling the real pressure as Amazon cuts their prices and they're forced to cut their prices, too, and also see margins dwindle?

11:51Well, I mean, I think the consumer will be the biggest benefactor. You know, right now, as you guys were talking, Target's struggling and they're trying to find some traction. And their choice is either lose the sale or lose the margin and keep the sale. And that'll be what I'm looking for to see how they handle that whole interaction. Are they going to go deep, deep, deep and keep the customer and sacrifice margin? Or are they going to let the business go somewhere else? Bill, it's Tim. Take a step back and give us your thoughts on back to school and the promotional environment and who's going to be more aggressive.

12:28And how does this bode for holidays? I mean, what's the forecast here? Yeah, I think back to school will be pretty good relative to where we've seen it. It'll be very aggressive in pricing. Last year, inventories were iffy. They were oversupplied in certain areas and undersupplied in other areas. This is really the first year that I think they've got the merchandise they want with the lead times that they needed them. And I expect that you're going to see everybody be aggressive because they've got to get through the merchandise. So I think the consumer will be the winner. You know, again, I think the pricing power of Amazon and Walmart probably trumps the convenience and shopping experience of Target.

13:11How would you stack up Walmart Plus versus Prime and whether or not Prime is taking away from, excuse me, Walmart Plus is taking away from Prime subscribers? I think they're really two different plays. You know, Walmart Plus is really an intense loyalty program with Walmart shoppers in an attempt to bring in new customers. Amazon Prime, you know, started out as a shipping, a free shipping piece at$79 and has gone up 76 % in price. I think they're$139 now for membership. And now, you know, they justify that with Prime Video, which, by the way, half the time you have to pay for the video anyway.

13:52so I don't quite get it. But I think there are different plays. I think Amazon Prime is this all-encompassing, trying to be this all-encompassing, self-contained universe, and Walmart Plus is really targeting Walmart and retail shoppers. All right. Bill, always great to get your take. Thank you. You bet. Bill Simon. Katie Stockton, which chart looks the best in the retail world? Well, of those, I would say Amazon's probably the winner, just because it has also that mega cap benefit of having turned around and exhibited very strong momentum and relative strength. And we're always looking for those relative outperformers.

14:30What we've noticed in this market environment that we're seeing a lot of basing phases. And when those basing phases are completed, we tend to see upside follow through. So that's the kind of setup that I'm interested in supplementing the longer term uptrends with. For the retail business. Well, it's funny you mentioned that because we were talking about that on the call. Parthenon, that some of these people, like Carter Ward. Exactly, exactly. Katie's. The Parthenon of people. She's into Parthenon, too. She's right there, too, yeah. No question. But, of course. Katie Carter. Louise Yamada. Can you have two people in the Parthenon?

15:02That's why she's on the show. We wouldn't invite non-Parthenon people to the show. Home Depot has a similar setup. If you look, you know, bearish to bullish reversal pattern. Home Depot now at a market multiple, which is cheap for them. And I think they report in the middle of August as well. That stock, that chart actually looks really good. And Costco had a breakout, too. These are long-term formations that are being resolved to the upside. And I think that's what's different now than in the first half. We've got a market flash on Cody and Kim Kardashian. Let's get to Bertha Coombs with the story.

15:33Bertha.

15:37Melissa, Kim Kardashian reportedly looking to buy back the 20 % stake cosmetics firm Cody acquired in her beauty firm three years ago. That, according to the Wall Street Journal, citing unnamed sources. At the time, the business then known as KKW Holdings was valued at about a billion dollars. Now called SKKN by Kim, Kardashian reportedly wants to expand the company's beauty offerings. Cody also invested in Kardashian's sister's beauty line, if you recall, paying about$600 million for a controlling stake in Kylie Jenner's cosmetics firm. How would she pay for this? Well, Kim K last summer also happened to launch a private equity business, SKKY.

16:26So that's likely where the fundraising is going to go first. Melissa? A lot of caves. Bertha, thank you. Bertha Coombs. Karen, what do you make of this whole thing? Well, it's interesting. I mean, they do have a lot of debt. It's probably good for Cody if they can get some cash. I don't know how integral the business was to the Cody story. Right. So you hope they're not selling, I don't know. Weakness out of weakness. Right. Or, yes, the crown jewel or something like that. But I'm kind of impressed with Kim Kardashian, who is really building a, It seems like her own brand, obviously, is gigantic, but a private equity business that I think, I mean, a lot of people want to work there.

17:04It's interesting. We'll refrain from making, you know, base jokes and rounding bottom jokes because it's just, why would we do that? I've never been a part of that. But I'll say this. You know, Karen is a tech. Look at her trade in Ulta into earnings at the end of May. I mean, that stock bottomed out. You had that huge flush. Look at the bounce back in Ulta. This, I think, I think, might create a little tailwind for ULTA as well. All right. Coming up, an industrial revolution. Well, an uprising, at least. A couple industrial stocks hitting new 52-week highs. So do these titans of industry have more room to run?

17:37We'll debate that next. And later, from bottom to breakout, Katie's got a couple names she thinks are ready to jump off their newly formed bases. Don't go anywhere. Fast Money's back in two. We're to begin it.

17:57Welcome back to Fast Money. Huge slate of industrial names hitting new highs today. FedEx, GE, Ingersoll, Rand, Rockwell Automation, Parker Hannafin among the high flyers. The sector as a whole has really broken out lately and up nearly 13 percent since just the start of June. Is this a sign that the market rally is broadening out? We've been sort of flagging this for a while, Tim. You're all excited about FedEx and a lot. Well, I think it's very interesting since we saw the relative underperformance of the end of the queues and the semis outperforming the S &P right around June 1st. You've actually seen we talked about retail.

18:29It's done the best. But you've seen the XLI up about six and a half percent against the S &P. You've seen the IYT. So the transport's up about eight and a half percent. And to me, and look, we had FedEx numbers recently. I mean, it's a case you talk about a GE, you talk about a FedEx, you talk about companies that people, a lot of investors and certainly analysts community needed to see major changes. changes before they really came around. I think some of it is just the tailwind from the entire sector. Some of it is prices coming down, supply chain easing up and valuations. I mean, we're at this place where you're rotating.

18:59So FedEx is a story that I think continues to be a bottom-up story of improvement and one that I'm having trouble at some point thinking about their macro. I don't think it's great. A lot of these defense companies have become sort of industrialized, like Raytheon's the name we talk about, RTX. Look at the pattern there. Katie probably has seen this recently. They report, I think, next week on the 25th. But this stock continues to bang up against its all-time high trading, less than a market multiple. And they have a pretty interesting mix. And they have great commercials. Have you seen those commercials with the jets flying?

19:30I get sick if I try to imitate it. I get motion sickness. But they're very cool. But Raytheon in earnings on the 25th is interesting here. How do the charts look, Katie? Good. So, in fact, we have an ETF and we just added the industrial sector. So, So that's to leverage the momentum. It's to leverage the relative strength there, the newfound relative strength. And the industrial sector spider, XLI, has new all-time highs. And with that breakout, you tend to see upside follow-through, at least in this environment we are. I always say there's nothing bearish about new highs. So as much as it's hard to buy into those, it's often the right thing to do.

20:04We're getting more questions from clients about the industrial names. So GE, Boeing, both today I got questions on. And so I feel like there is a renewed interest and it feels substantial to me. So United Rentals is my main industrial play. I mean, since that bottom that Tim talked about where tech was everything, stock was, I think, about$325. It's now$457. Nothing has happened in the underlying company of any great consequence. But just you could see how out of favor it was. Now, to your point, it's very in favor. It's getting a little bit away still from all-time high, but nothing's really changed.

20:40So to me, the multiple is still cheap. The story is still there. Infrastructure, reshoring. Bullish. There's a lot more fast money to come. Here's what's coming up next. Pharma flop. Stocks taking a hit on concerns weight loss drug users may not be sticking around as long as hoped. So will the prescription run out on this trade? The details ahead. Plus, Sun Valley shining bright. Media and tech execs coming together to discuss all things entertainment. And we're homing in on the digital ad space. Next, you're watching Fast Money, live from the NASDAQ market site in Times Square. We're back right after this.

21:28Welcome back to Fast Money. Weight loss drug makers Lilly and Novo Nordisk under pressure after new analysis found that only one-third of patients continue treatment beyond one year. The research from Prime Therapeutics also found that annual health care costs spiked nearly 60 percent after patients started treatment. Separately, European regulators are looking into the risks of suicidal thoughts by users of these drugs. Karen, you flagged the moves lower, particularly in Lilly today. Yeah, both that and Novo Nordisk. We were talking about it on our call. It was also this issue about whether or not lower dose applications are available, which seems kind of odd to me versus if higher dose is available.

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22:07You know, we talk about whether a sale is denied or delayed. I would think that would really be a delay, not a deny. But I had heard different, I mean, I'm sure Prime Therapeutics, they do, you know, it's a real business. So that is interesting because part of the Bulls story is you're going to be on this for life. And if a third of patients are on it for a year or less, that is kind of a big difference. We'll have to see how this plays out a little bit. Lily, I've sort of missed the last, I don't know how many points. Maybe I'll get a chance to buy it cheaper if there's a little more, I don't know, negative publicity around this.

22:42It's a long year is still a long time to be on it or, you know, however many months, given the cost. Yes, but it's about expectations about how big is this how big is this addressable market? But I mean, if you think about it, the other side of that is if it's only a year and the broader health benefits, they're not just that come from weight loss. And we've talked about that. It maybe means that there's a bigger addressable market for this stuff so that you might have someone that's not necessarily obese or even that overweight, but doing a little bit. I think when you look at Lilly, you look at the multiple.

23:13I just get back to that on a trailing basis. And I typically we don't even care. Why would we care about a trailing multiple? But it gives you some relative perspective on what this company, you know, how far it's come. And it's trading 70 times trailing. And so the presumption here is that it's a brave new world for this company. And it clearly is. They're in the two hottest parts of the market. But that is a lot of that is momentum. And I think it's still a lot of unknown. Yeah. Kate, you've been watching biotech. I have. So the pharma, of course, have been under pressure because of the risk off, you know, sort of nature of those stocks typically.

23:45So that hasn't helped the likes of Lilly. But now, finally, we're starting to see some signs of life in biotech. And this is a brand new development. In fact, they looked lower just very recently. But just yesterday, they had one of their best days since April and May, depending on the benchmark. If we look at XBI and ETF in the space, it also has that kind of shape of a basing phase with a higher low. It doesn't yet have a breakout, but we have some short-term oversold indications there that are pretty widespread. And with just that one up day, it makes the charts feel better. So I'd be on sort of bracing for some breakouts there as positive catalysts.

24:21Amgen's had a pretty significant sell-off. We saw the sell-off in Eli Lilly in December. It had probably a$40,$50 sell-off. But you don't run from too far from you. If this was the only drug they had, there's a concern. Obviously, that's not the situation. Valuation is a concern, so it's so first, ask questions later. But Amgen, if we could throw up a chart real quick, that's had a really significant drop down to levels. It theoretically should be support into their earnings release, I think, in early August. So to Katie's point about biotech, if you want to get a little granular, I think Amgen's pretty cool here.

24:51Coming up live from Sun Valley, Idaho, the head of IAC, Joey Levin, will join us for our first on interview. What he says is in store for the digital ad market, that is next. Plus, overruled a major update in the Microsoft Activision saga, what the decision means for that deal when Fast Money returns. Get your trades to go with the Fast Money podcast. Catch us anytime, anywhere. Follow today on your favorite podcasting app. We're back right after this.

25:25Welcome back to Fast Money Stocks. Closing your session highs as investors await tomorrow's CPI report in the kickoff to earnings season. The Dow jumping more than 300 points. The S &P and Nasdaq both up about a half a percent. Shares of Boeing jumping after announcing June deliveries. The plane maker handing over 60 aircraft and racking up hundreds of new orders with Air India. That stock is now up 15 percent this year. and shares of Roku and Shopify both streaming higher. After announcing a partnership, Roku users will be able to buy products directly through their TVs from Shopify merchants.

25:55Now to the Allen & Company Sun Valley Conference, where media execs like Disney's Bob Iger, Paramount CEO Bob Backish, and more are gathering this week. CNBC's Julia Borson is there now, sitting down with IAC CEO Joey Levin. Julia, take it away. Thanks so much, Melissa. Joey, thanks so much for joining us, kicking off the Sun Valley Conference with this interview. you. We really appreciate it. My pleasure. So we know that AI is going to be a huge focus of the conference this year. We just saw Sam Altman who came in. We know there can be some panels addressing this topic. Your chair, the chair of IAC, Barry Diller, has spoken out against AI, saying it is bad for publishers such as IAC's Meredith.

26:32Talk to us about your perspective on AI and what it means for your business. Yeah, there's lots of great things that are going to happen with AI. One of them is not a positive impact on journalism, at least not today, the way it's organized and the way they're presenting information. When you look at these interfaces, search was originally designed to find the best of the internet, and these LLMs or GAI are designed to steal the best of the internet, and so they're going to have to figure out how to make the UI work in a way that rewards content creators, rewards journalism, and rewards people who exist on the open internet.

27:08So there's been some talk of the potential for IAC to be part of a coalition of publishers to fight this impact of AI and try to set some sort of ground rules. What are you working on right now? We're talking to everybody, as you'd imagine, and a lot of people share the same thoughts and same concerns and trying to figure out the best path forward. I mean, wrangling a big group of people together on common goals is always challenging, but I do think people are motivated to make sure that the journalism survives and thrives in this environment. AI is certainly front of mind for regulators right now.

27:43What kind of regulation would you like to see? I think there needs to be a framework, as there has been in other contexts, for rewarding the creators of content and making sure that there's an incentive system that continues to allow people who create content, like a copyright system, and that needs some updates, and that needs a system of payment that works for everybody. Beyond the dot-meredith business, IAC is a very broad conglomerate. You have Care.com, you have Angie's List, you have an investment in MGM, not Angie's, I should just call it Angie, it's not Angie's List anymore. How do you see AI as a tool to improve those businesses?

28:22Yeah, the ability to find information, and in particular, like the one right answer, is, I think, very, very useful in these tools. The issue is when there isn't one right answer and when there's many answers and you want many perspectives and you don't want a sort of singular, monolithic response. You want a host of responses that reflect tastes, reflect demographics, reflect different desires of different users. And that is what we need to see out of journalism. on the other businesses, helping use these tools to get to the one right answer when there is one right answer, I think is really helpful.

29:04Like helping customer service deliver answers to customers or helping our engineers find the right piece of code or things like that, I think is really helpful. Another timely topic here in Sun Valley is Amazon Prime Day. It's happening now, and IAC Properties are a big partner of Amazon. What's your outlook for spending this Amazon Prime Day, and what's your sense of consumer spending in general right now? Yeah, consumer spending still looks very good from what we can see, and we're really optimistic about Prime Day. We're a big partner for Amazon, and we drive just generally a lot of commerce.

29:39I think there's over a billion dollars of commerce that flows directly through our platform, and that part of the business has been very strong in terms of consumer spending, and everywhere that we can see consumer spending seems to be pretty healthy right now. If consumer spending is healthy, what about the advertising market? We're still hearing about weakness. What are you seeing at your properties? Yeah, it's still a strange juxtaposition because you'd think that that would pair with a good ad market, but the ad market is still weak. I would say weak relative to recent history, but stable, meaning it doesn't seem to be getting worse right now.

30:11Who knows as things change in the economy, but right now it's sort of what our team has referred to as stable weakness, I think, seems to be the tune. Stable weakness. We'll remember that one. Another topic that is front of mind, because you've spoken out so many times against Google, is the actions that Google and Meta are taking in Canada and the decision to block links from being shared because of some Canadian regulations about compensating publishers. What's your take on those moves from these tech behemoths called the digital duopoly? And what do you think that means going forward about the way they're going to be handling the sharing of content and how that might impact revenue?

30:48I really hope they can work it out. I think it's a cowardly move to pull the content off the platforms. I have to imagine that there's a system that these companies, Google and Meta are fantastic companies. They're incredibly well-run, strong, powerful companies and they ought, I would think, ought to be able to figure out a way to make that work for all constituents. I would hope so, but I think that pulling their content would be an unfortunate and sort of cowardly outcome in that. Melissa, you want to jump in here? Yeah, Joey, going back to the health of the overall ad market, how quickly would you see advertisers turn the dial down or turn off the switch when it comes to buying advertising?

31:29I mean, if the economy turns quickly and we see the long and lagged effects of the Fed tightening, you know, quickly, will we see that in results very quickly? It can happen very quickly. I mean, when we look to last year, It was around this time, like late Q2, that sort of people stopped spending, advertisers stopped spending very quickly. And so that can, yes, is the short answer. It can happen quickly. But, you know, we don't see that happening. But, you know, anything's possible. Well, we're going to have to leave it there. We'll let you get back to the conference. But Joey Levin, CEO of IAC, thanks so much for joining us today to talk ad spending, consumer spending, Amazon Prime, and so much more.

32:09Melissa, back over to you. Thank you. All right, Julia, thanks so much. And Joey, our thanks to you as well. what do we think of the digital ad market well let's talk about IAC real quick I'm sorry quickly I mean look at this stock first of all Investopedia Caleb Silver yep they own I think I'm pretty sure IAC owns them it's cheap here and if you look at this stock has gotten crushed but now it has this sort of again we talked about rounding bottoms and bearish to bullish formations this happens to be one of them if they can start to integrate these brands better which they seemingly on the custom I'm doing this stock is just too cheap at current levels.

32:41How does that chart look to you? It's surprising to me that it's cheap because you just have this very big up move and fresh breakout, sort of a higher high, higher low setup. So it's quite attractive and it does follow a turnaround. So it's in bidding with that theme. Well, it's sometimes a holding company or a conglomerate. It's not a holding company, but trades at a discount. And I think that's kind of what's going on here. And I think people don't really know what to do with some of the pieces. Meanwhile, you know, dot dash is growing pretty quickly. And there's a view that there's economies of scale here.

33:11So on valuation, there's no question. If you look at an EBITDA multiple on an EPS basis, it's hard to find. Ahead on fast, we're going to go off the charts looking for some names to bounce higher this summer. Grab your pencil and paper because we've got a breakout list coming your way. But first, speaking of breakout, check out shares of Activision Blizzard today. Why is this gamer name surging higher? We've got some answers next.

33:38Welcome back to Fast Money. Some major deal news today. A federal judge in San Francisco denied the FTC's bid to stop Microsoft's$68.7 billion acquisition of Activision Blizzard. This is a big step forward, but still the deal has to clear legal hurdles in the U.K. before it can actually go through. Karen, you're watching this. Does it matter to Microsoft? Which part? Does the deal matter? Yeah, I mean, like at this point, Microsoft is all juiced on AI. And it's not necessarily about gaming or selling consoles or anything like, I mean, it's an important part of the business. It's not moving the story in the short term.

34:15But they're thinking about this could be an important part of their business. One day, the AI magic won't be there anymore. And so to continue to develop the parts of their business that they can, this makes sense. And so I think the broader implication is the FTC or antitrust has swung so far. Yeah. And this is really kind of a slap in the face. We've had a couple. There was the Time Warner deal to say, you know what, you're just kind of out of control. And so for all of the big tech companies, the idea of doing a merger like this, I mean, they tested it. I'm surprised they're going to win, which seems like they are.

34:51They'll cut a deal with the UK. Maybe deals are back on the table for them. Yeah, which opens the gates to what potentially? Well, Tim's going to probably say this. Electronic Arts is on the verge of making you all time. It is. Apparently it is. As one would say. You know, I don't think it's all that expensive, given its history and given where some of the valuations. So Electronic Arts, EA, I believe, is still the symbol. I think that could trade higher from here, too. Yeah, I agree. In fact, EA has been dead money and lost money for five years. And the valuation keeps kind of getting better, but the growth hasn't been there.

35:24At times, we've thought this was the answer within the media space because the interactivity of what's going on, except for these media companies can't afford it. I mean, that's the part of this. I mean, it's a Microsoft or it's an Amazon or it's a mega cap tech company that could swallow this up in a second for the content. And that is still something, but it's not going to be traditional media. Yeah. And now maybe it's open. So are there any holdings that you have that you would like to see make an acquisition like a Meta or an Apple? Yeah, right. Meta. I think I mean, what was the deal they just had blocked and unrun?

36:00Giphy, was it a small deal, a tiny deal? But maybe, you know, there's going to be a land grab for AI products. And I think that's going to be where they're going to look. All right. One trader, one big in Activision's options today. Mike Coe's got the action there. Mike. Yeah, the merger ARBs are active in the options of Activision, and they have been over the course of the last month or so. But it did trade more than seven times its average daily volume. Today was the third busiest stock overall. And the trade that really stuck out to me was a purchase of 2000 of the 8590 call spreads that expire at the end of this week.

36:33They paid$1.20 for those, but they did so 10 minutes before the news hit the tape. So this thing was$600 ,000 to the good in just an hour after the trader purchased it. And to Guy's point, I want to say Electronic Arts also saw more than three times its average daily call volume. So it seems some options traders agree with him on that one. You said 10 minutes before the news hit the tape, Mike? Seems kind of suspicious. Well, you know, David Faber was saying that, you know, they might expect a court ruling this week. He didn't expect it today, but said Wednesday or Thursday. This trade was a bet that paid three to one if they did announce in their favor.

37:11So it could just be lucky timing. It could be. Mike, thanks. Mike Coe. For more options action, tune into the full show. That's Friday, 530 p.m. Eastern time. Coming up, with the word stock in her name, we couldn't let Katie Stockton leave without giving us a few stock picks. She's got a list of names that could bounce higher. Stick around for that right after this break. More Fast Money in 2.

37:36Welcome back to Fast Money. Stocks staging a big run this year, but there are still lots of names, more than 50 % off their all-time highs. And Katie Stockton is taking a look at some stocks that appear to a base and are now breaking out. So let's start with the first one here. Coinbase surging 150 % to start the year. They're still 75 % off the high it made in 2021. What do you see here? And that perspective is important because this advance comes after what was a pretty prolonged trading range. And if you look at it, you've heard of probably a head and shoulders formation. And it's really describing the sort of relationship between support and resistance.

38:11This has an inverse head and shoulders formation and a breakout above the neckline. So to me, that's very promising. We are seeing better action, as you know, from the cryptocurrency market. Bitcoin itself has resistance just shy of 32 ,000. If that can get through, I think that could add extra value to that Coinbase breakout. All right. Next up, Zillow popping 10 percent today, bringing its gains for the year to 65 percent. Piper Sandler upgrading the stock to an overweight today, setting a more favorable setup for the housing trade. Still, shares are nearly 75 percent off of their all-time high made in February 2021.

38:44I think Zillow is a good representation of the high growth arena right now. If you look at, say, the RK ETF, a lot of these look very similar. So it seems to be more of a top-down move than anything else. But Zillow being a great way to play it. It bottomed in 2022, and it's just been kind of stair-stepping higher off of that low. Very gradual uptrend, but a gradual uptrend can be more sustainable. And finally, shares of Mattel jumping more than 20 % in the last three months as hype builds around Barbie's theatrical release. How could it not? Tim is very excited. How could it not? Still, the stock price is less than half of where it was a decade ago, Katie.

39:20Well, so this is a newer breakout, and it has the shape of a double bottom pattern. So this is when you have a successful test of support followed by improved momentum and seems to be around the movie. So we'll take it. It looks like a real breakout to me. Yeah. Do you you don't own Mattel? I own all three of these companies, actually. Oh, so you're happy to hear this. In Zillow's case, actually traded it pretty well because it's obviously had a tough one. Coinbase, I'm underwater. Mattel, I'm perpetually underwater. And, you know, Barbie is the savior. And again, digital presence, digital. I mean, you know, this company has yet to really transition into the modern land of a digital presence and really going with where their intellectual property is.

39:59And the new management team has promised a lot. Maybe we're getting it here. I thought of you, Karen, when I heard about the Zillow upgrade. Yes. Zillow, Zillow, which was the Z in my zombie from last year, which with an emphasis on zombie, which I still own. But unfortunately, I also did last year where it was bottoming out. No, but I love the Zillow story. I think that, you know, we all know about the history of their disastrous foray into buying homes and what a terrible use of capital was and good for them for getting out. Now it's an asset like business and we're seeing a lot of sort of, I don't know, I think some floor in home building.

40:33Obviously, they're related to home sales, not necessarily new home sales without some nice rental business. I think this management team has done a good job turning this around. Tim has the rugged looks of like a G.I. Joe, but then the steely blue eyes of like a Kenda. So he's some amalgam of that, which why. I don't know what we're doing here. Which makes perfect sense. No, why? Being honest. Very kind. What did we talk about? Let's see if you're in my head. Let's just zen it real quick. Robinhood, you're right. And we talked about it beginning of June. We said, you know, this stock actually starting to look interesting.

41:04Then Mizuho said Robinhood is winning to Coinbase. Now, Coinbase has traded well. Robinhood's gone from like eight and a half bucks. I think it closed at almost$12 today, and they report earnings in a couple weeks. So this is one with the momentum has absolutely shifted. Is that a breakout, Katie, in your view? I can't picture the chart. Oh, we have it right there. But I don't know if that's okay. I wish I had my glasses on. It looks like a breakout to me. But going back to how you picked all these three stocks, it goes back to the notion, technical analysis, that you want to see a long base. What is the expression that we all like to use?

41:35The longer the base, the higher the space. Right, right. Some version of that. That's Ralph Ekenpura and Luis Yamada, their credit. And it's true. I mean, it gives it a chance to undergo accumulation. So typically when they move sideways, you'll start to see in the momentum gauges, higher lows form, and that's your accumulation. It sets it up when sentiment does shift from a top-down perspective like it has recently. That's where you get the breakouts. All right. Well, I was just going to say, I mean, Luis Yamada is one of the greats. We're fortunate to be able to bring people on this show who are legends in what they do.

42:08and in terms of technical trading. And as a woman on Wall Street, she was a pioneer, and good for her. Absolutely. I know she's watching. She is. She might be. Remember before, like an hour ago, you said people eating dinner? That's the least. No doubt about it. Why would you say that? Because I know. She's having dinner and she's like at an IHOP or something watching. I'm sure that's where she is. Up next, Final Trade.

42:37it's time for the final trades let's go around the horn tim seymour great having katie here today and talking charts um the chart i'm following is interesting because for a while there was really breaking out but more importantly the cash flow i think is starting to break out and the airline industry should be a tell on what's going on with following business karen finerman Yes, so I think last time I was on my final trade was J.P. Morgan going into banks. Also in the same space, Morgan Stamp. Katie Stockton. I have to say Microsoft. We all saw Apple break out to a new all-time high and see upside follow-through.

43:09It feels like Microsoft wants to follow its lead and go to new highs on the back burner. By the way, great to have you here, Katie. Yes. Thank you. Great to be here. Guy. Shout out to Kim Kardashian. She's a fan. Huge fan of the show. Especially more so we've mentioned her name. Mets fans have not had a lot to cheer about out of Che this year. And last night, the koala bear really let him down, Tim. At least our guy was in the game and playing and not on the reserve list. But maybe he might have. It doesn't really matter. He was eliminated extraordinarily quickly. But I'm just saying, you know, not a lot of baseball being played out in Flushing these days.

43:41But I'll tell you what looks interesting. We mentioned biotech earlier. Amgen looks like it wants to turn as opposed to the Mets. We're going nowhere, Tim. Just get off the DL. Fast Money starts now. All opinions expressed by the Fast Money participants are solely their opinions and do not reflect the opinions of CNBC, NBCUniversal, their parent company or affiliates, and may have been previously disseminated by them on television, radio, internet, or another medium. You should not treat any opinion expressed on this podcast as a specific inducement to make a particular investment or follow a particular strategy, but only as an expression of an opinion.

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