Credit Card Crunch… And Trump’s Powell Probe 1/12/26

12 Jan 2026 · 43 min · 29 chapters

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Fast Money episode covers three main market themes: (1) a “credit card crunch” after President Trump called for a 10% max interest-rate cap (starting Jan 20) on consumer credit; Synchrony, Capital One, American Express, Visa, and MasterCard fell. Guests argue the cap likely won’t be implemented without legislation/regulatory action, so the selloff may be overdone, with unintended effects like reduced revolving balances and lending. (2) “Trump’s Powell probe”: DOJ opened a criminal investigation into Fed Chair Jerome Powell; Powell says it’s a pressure campaign tied to interest-rate preferences. Lawmakers (including GOP Sen. Tom Tillis) signaled resistance, raising concerns about Fed independence. (3) Stock-specific moves: Alibaba jumped on reports its AI models topped 700M downloads; retail names (Abercrombie, Urban Outfitters, etc.) sank on weaker holiday guidance; Meta hired Dina Powell-McCormick and plans Reality Labs job cuts.

Guests

Karen Feinerman, Dan Nathan, Guy Adami, Julie Beal (desk); plus Gerard Cassidy (RBC Capital Markets, global financials research co-head) and Will Lewis (InSmed CEO) and CNBC’s Emily Wilkins (Powell probe coverage).

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Credit Card Companies Under Pressure

0:00 to 0:22

Discussion on how credit card companies are affected by Trump's proposed rate cap.

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Credit Card Companies Under Pressure

1:44 to 2:20

Discussion on how credit card companies are affected by Trump's proposed rate cap.

“Synchrony Financial, Capital One, American Express, Visa, and MasterCard all dropping after President Trump called for a rate cap on interest rates.”

Market Reactions and Predictions

2:20 to 3:07

Analyzing the stock market's reaction to proposed legislation and its potential impacts.

“and companies might be inclined to say, you know what, we're going to concede something in order to move towards that direction without having to get to 10 percent.”

Implications of Rate Capping

3:07 to 4:03

Exploring the implications of capping credit card interest rates on lending practices.

“The fact that I understand that earnings are backward looking, but they report on the 22nd, which is fast approaching.”

Political Landscape and Banking

4:03 to 4:49

Examining the political factors influencing banking regulations and consumer credit.

“Clearly, it's a message that could resonate with voters, whether you can implement that and how quickly that's something else.”

Consumer Affordability Issues

4:49 to 6:14

Discussion on broader consumer affordability issues beyond credit cards.

“I mean, really walk the line from, you know, a political standpoint as it relates to the administration, but also, you know, shareholders, right?”

Healthcare and Economic Challenges

6:14 to 7:30

Discussion on the impact of healthcare costs on overall economic affordability.

“That is the place where there is the more extreme examples of people being taken advantage of.”

Market Sentiment Ahead of Earnings

7:30 to 9:19

Discussion on current market sentiment as banks approach earnings season.

“And it's an inflation problem, which, again, predates this administration.”

Expert Insights on Banking

9:19 to 14:03

Insights from financial analyst Gerard Cassidy on banking performance and outlook.

“Well, today's move in financials comes ahead of the kickoff of bank earnings season.”

Bank Performance and Operating Leverage

14:03 to 14:58

Discussion of a company's operating leverage and its potential as a winner.

“But more importantly, from a fundamental standpoint, the company has struggled with its expense growth.”
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Concerns Over Banking Consensus

14:59 to 15:32

Exploration of concerns regarding the banking sector's optimistic outlook.

“I think that's the one thing that I hate the most is when there's real consensus around anything that usually means it's time for a change.”

Alibaba's AI and Stock Performance

15:33 to 16:50

Discussion on Alibaba's recent success and its implications for Chinese internet stocks.

“Now, obviously, the stocks rebounded and made new highs.”

Chinese AI Models and Global Competition

16:51 to 18:28

Insight into the competitive landscape of AI models in China versus the US.

“Meantime, Alibaba shares jumping over 10 % today for their best day since August.”

Impact of Narrow AI Focus

18:29 to 19:09

Discussion on the benefits of a narrow versus broad focus in AI applications.

“And obviously, Meta has an open source model that no one's using.”

Retail Sector Challenges Ahead

19:10 to 19:23

Preview of the upcoming segment on retail stocks facing challenges.

“Why names like Abercrombie and Urban Outfitters are sinking today and the other names getting caught in the sell-off.”

Disappointing Retail Guidance

20:41 to 22:32

Analysis of disappointing retail sales forecasts and market reactions.

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Concerns About Consumer Spending

22:33 to 24:21

Discussion on consumer spending and its implications for retail performance.

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Meta's New Hire and Strategic Focus

24:22 to 25:05

Overview of Meta's new executive hire and its implications for AI strategy.

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Meta's Infrastructure Strategy

26:09 to 28:08

Discussion on Meta's strategy for AI infrastructure and global partnerships.

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Meta's AI Ambitions and Funding Strategies

28:08 to 30:55

Discussion on Meta's new initiatives and funding strategies for AI development.

“Also today, Meta announcing Meta Compute.”

Market Reactions to Powell Probe

30:55 to 31:23

Overview of market reactions and stock performances amid the Powell investigation.

“Coming up, Powell Probe, the impact of President Trump's criminal investigation to the Fed chair and how lawmakers are responding.”

Congressional Response to Powell Investigation

31:23 to 35:36

Exploration of congressional responses to the criminal investigation of Jerome Powell.

“The Dow down nearly 500 points at its lows before rallying and closing at a fresh record, along with the S &P 500.”

InSmed's Growth and Future Outlook

35:41 to 42:00

Interview with InSmed CEO about growth, drug launches, and future plans.

“Joining us for more is In Smed CEO, Will Lewis.”

Potential Stock Doubling Discussion

42:00 to 42:51

Exploration of a stock that could potentially double from current levels.

“And then also a pipeline of drugs for completely new indications.”

Trader Acronyms Introduction

42:51 to 43:15

Introduction to the 2026 trader acronyms and competition among traders.

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Guy's 2026 Acronym Breakdown

43:15 to 45:02

Guy reveals his 2026 trading acronyms, explaining each stock's potential.

“Our traders will be unveiling their 2026 acronyms all week long.”

Dan's 2026 Acronym Explanation

45:02 to 46:20

Dan introduces his own trading acronyms focusing on companies integrating AI.

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Final Trades and Predictions

46:20 to 47:02

Traders share their final stock picks and predictions for the market.

“Well, you know, tomorrow we'll get the acronyms from Karen and Tim.”

Final Trades and Predictions

47:23 to 47:34

Traders share their final stock picks and predictions for the market.

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Transcript

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0:47So no matter where you're starting from, you can move forward with confidence. The key to being rich is knowing what counts. Let's find your rich. Edward Jones, member SIPC. Live from the Nasdaq MarketSite in the heart of New York City's Times Square, this is Fast Money. Here's what's on tap tonight. Credit crunch. Hard companies from Capital One to Amex dropping today on new calls for a fee cap. The impact it could have on the space and how likely it is for the policy to pass. And the blowback to the indictment of Jerome Powell, how Congress is reacting and what it means for the independence of the Fed.

1:23Plus, what is behind Baba's big bounce? A couple retail names get routed, and we start the reveal of the traders' 2026 acronyms. Can Guy outperform his tube? And what can replace Dan's Gen AI? We'll find out later on this hour. I'm Melissa Lee. Come to you live from Studio B at the NASDAQ. On the desk tonight, Karen Feinerman, Dan Nathan, Guy Adami, and Julie Beal. We start off with the credit card companies getting scorched on Wall Street. Synchrony Financial, Capital One, American Express, Visa, and MasterCard all dropping after President Trump called for a rate cap on interest rates. The one year, excuse me, the one year 10 percent max would go into effect on January 20th.

2:01Big banks also getting caught up in the weakness. But while Trump said any consumer credit company failing to cap rates would be, quote, in violation of the law, Congress would actually have to approve a move to limit any rates. So will a proposal like this turn into policy and how will this play out for consumers and the stocks? I would think that you see what he the direction he wants to go to. and companies might be inclined to say, you know what, we're going to concede something in order to move towards that direction without having to get to 10 percent. Fair.

2:34Melissa Lee:And I think there's some middle ground. I mean, 10 percent is probably a little draconian, but, yeah, there is a middle ground. But let's try to play it through the lens of the stock market. You know, Capital One sold off today. It makes sense. It's not a valuation concern here, but I think 60 to 65 percent of their business is tied to exactly that. Where is this thing going to settle? Well, first of all, the unintended consequences, I believe, will be, OK, we'll ratchet back the rate. But then credit lending probably gets ratcheted down to commensurate with that. So I don't think it's going to do what it's intended to do.

3:04Melissa Lee:But I also think this is going to be somewhat short lived. I think you I think you buy the sell off in these names just on valuation. The fact that I understand that earnings are backward looking, but they report on the 22nd, which is fast approaching. And the quarter is going to be pretty good, I think. Yeah. Yeah. I agree with you that it seems somewhat overdone. It's a little bit like mini liberation day for these names. But I think that the unintended consequences are great when you think about, all right, if we got a cap of 10 and we know we've had this sort of credit loss, where does that credit loss come from?

3:37Right. That person's not going to be able to borrow anymore. The people who do pay back will be able to. That's not how these companies make their money. The revolving balances will go down. That's really where the sort of juice of the business is. I get the intent. I don't know how it would actually come to pass without significant legislative involvement. So I do think it's sort of overdone. I don't know what they what they need to give up yet at the moment. I think let it play out. Clearly, it's a message that could resonate with voters, whether you can implement that and how quickly that's something else.

4:14Melissa Lee:Yeah, politics versus policy. We see it again and again. We've seen it towards a number of industries over the last just month and a half or so. I mean, the administration is really locked into this affordability issue that they were not taking particularly serious. I don't think last year and they seem to be taking it very serious now, whether they can enact this stuff or not. I'll just say this, though. Man, these other bank CEOs must be very happy that J.P. Morgan's reporting first, and Jamie Dimon is going to get the first question about this, I think, Wednesday morning. And, you know, if there's anybody...

4:43Tomorrow, yeah. Tomorrow morning. Well, there you go.

4:44Melissa Lee:Thank you. If there's anybody who can... Shoot it down? No, walk the line. I mean, really walk the line from, you know, a political standpoint as it relates to the administration, but also, you know, shareholders, right? I mean, we saw the reaction here today. And then the other point is, like, you know, we were saying this last week, pretty tough setup for banks, the way that they've rallied into these results. So it wasn't going to take much to get investors to kind of hit the sell button. Yeah. I mean, some of the big banks do have some exposure. They do. But their portfolios are not quite the same portfolios as a Synchrony Financial or Capital One.

5:15Or Capital One. But J.P. Morgan is the biggest credit card issuer in the United States. Right. And so they have a big book, as does Citibank, which I think is bigger relative to them than for J.P. Morgan's books. So that was why. Wells, I would imagine, has a pretty big extension. And Bank of America as well. But Julie Beal, though, the moves in MasterCard and Visa seem to be interesting because they're not impacted by a cap, but they could be impacted by overall transaction volumes. Yeah, I think that's right. The way to think about this is more that what they're really looking for is some kind of a press release that they can claim victory on.

5:49It was the same thing when Bill Pulte went after Fair Isaac and the credit bureaus to try to get something. And basically what they got was a nice press release, but nothing economically changed. And I think it will be the same situation here where you need to give the administration a nice little victory that they can tout when they're trying to talk about the impact they've had on affordability for the midterms. But I don't think there really needs to be anything that happens. If they really cared about interest rates, they wouldn't have dismantled the CFPB. Right. That is the place where there is the more extreme examples of people being taken advantage of.

6:24and that's what really needs to be regulated. The interest rates themselves are governed by whether or not you're a good credit. Like, I'm a terrible credit, obviously. And, like, I should pay a higher interest rate. And that's just how it's supposed to work. Trying to intervene and, you know, put an artificial cap on it makes no sense. Yeah. You know, to Julie's point on the CFPB, they were trying to limit the late fees, right? That was sort of one of the great causes of the CFPB before it got dismantled. So it's interesting where he's going after here. But in terms of the afford, this seems to be the through line right now, at least, in terms of which industries to sort of target.

7:00So if you think along those lines, do you think about the next one? I mean, is it like car insurance and house insurance? I mean, like all these things that cost so much money right now.

7:09Melissa Lee:Well, I mean, if you look at the GDP print, which we all have, I mean, the biggest component of it, the reason why GDP was it was in large in large part is because of health care. So, yeah, I mean, all these things, you know, affordability is absolutely a thing. You can hide behind getting credit card rates, lowering those things. But the reality is people are feeling the pinch. And it's an inflation problem, which, again, predates this administration. It goes back a lot longer than that. So they inherited something, but they haven't done anything to fix it. Inflation is a problem. We'll have a Fed conversation, but it's also one of the reasons why I think 10-year yields are going to remain stubbornly high.

7:45Melissa Lee:Yeah, if you're wondering why, if they're serious about it, I mean, we had a government shutdown over health care subsidies, right? And it lasted for about a month. And it didn't seem like the administration had a care in the world about 20 million Americans potentially losing health care or paying a lot more to get health care, right? And so if you think about that, I think they know that they kind of missed out. They could have done a one-year extension. It would have been hard. And, you know, the result on a lot of these health care companies is really hard to tell. I mean, we've been kind of parsing this out.

8:13Melissa Lee:So if you think of all the industries, they started out with big tech, right? They're trying to bring semi-manufacturing back here. Very noble. I mean, all of these causes seem about right. But if you were trying to implement them, then you'd be running on a socialist platform. I mean, this sounds like Zoran Mamdani, who just got elected here in New York. So there is a sense of irony about this. It's also worth noting that the president of Mamdani, they had a really nice meeting in the White House about a month ago. Maybe he got his ideas from there. I don't know. So the health care part, I understand exactly what you're saying on the insurance.

8:44But if they want to point to something, it's look what we did for drug prices. Right. Look what we did for Novo Nordisk, one hundred and forty nine dollars. Yeah. Right. So they do have things that they on that. If you follow through that line of what's important to people. I mean, that's one to point to. But I don't know. We'll see it where you know, we have a short memory and we'll see when the midterm elections come. I don't know what of this we're going to remember, if this credit card thing will really be a thing. I don't know. I feel like this one is going to be more fleeting. Well, today's move in financials comes ahead of the kickoff of bank earnings season.

9:22RBC Capital Markets' top bank analyst sees today's weakness as a buying opportunity. Gerard Cassidy is a firm's global financials research co-head. He is rated 4.98 stars out of 5 by tip ranks. That's quite high, Gerard. Congratulations. I mean, I don't know where the.02 went, but, you know, that's what my dad would have asked me. Well, thank you, and Guy must have voted for me, so thank you. In terms of the move today, how do you view this credit card rate cap proposal and the impact on some of the larger banks that have credit card portfolios? I think you guys have discussed it well, and Karen pointed out about the legislative part of this.

10:04The executive order is not going to force any of the banks to lower their rates to 10 percent. It either has to come legislatively, like the 2009 Credit Card Act, or it can come through the regulators where they codify some regulation. But both of those takes time, and we don't expect either of them to happen. So we think that this is a buying opportunity. We think it is done for political purposes. as you guys touched on it, with the cost of living and the cost of purchasing different items, whether it's health care or groceries, et cetera. So this is a way of the president, obviously, trying to get out there and try to show folks that he's trying to help them out with the cost of living.

10:45But once again, we don't expect it to follow through. And as it is, a good buying opportunity. And to your point, the commercial banks, the big banks, have some exposure, but it's the credit card companies that you guys talked about have a much greater exposure. But this doesn't muck up the narrative of deregulation, in your view, Gerard. I mean, the administration's friendliness toward the banking industry and that being the tailwind, a major tailwind to the bank story last year as well as this year. It doesn't change that at all. It doesn't make you a little bit concerned that maybe there's too much of that in the prices.

11:18No, not at all, Melissa. I'm glad you brought that up because this administration has done an incredible job of focusing in on deregulation. Treasury Secretary Besson in February of last year was very clear that they were going to loosen the corset of bank regulation around the banks. And they've done that very well. The big one to come, of course, is the Basel-free endgame changes that we expect this quarter. So this actually flies in the ointment of that deregulation trend. But we do not see that changing. And especially since the Treasury secretary wasn't behind this. That would have given me more concern if he came out and said something like this.

11:55But again, we think it was more for political purposes for the president. Gerard, it's Karen. Thanks for being on. So I'm Long Banks, JPMorgan City, bigger positions for me. Everything's going right now, right? We have deregulation and we have GDP is pretty good. Credit quality is good. Asset wealth management is good. Capital markets is good. M &A, all of that. does that scare you at all, that it's all so good? What could go wrong? Karen, I've got to take you to the racetrack. You read my mind. What I really worry about is there's nothing to worry about. That's the worry. And so to us, you said it well.

12:35And I would say that the steepening yield curve, we've been pointing out to investors, it's been 20 years that the Fed funds rate's been at around 3 percent, with a positive slope of 75 to 100 basis points. If we get that environment for an extended period of time, lenders, net interest income will grow very nicely. And I don't know if you guys have been watching the loan reports on Friday. That's the H8 report from the Fed. At the beginning of the year, the H8 report was showing industry loan growth of 0 % to 1%. Last Friday, that number was 5 % to 6%. So we're going into 26 % with 5 % to 6 % loan growth.

13:14steeper yield curve. Credit is benign. Deregulation is behind us. The economy is healthy. And to your point, Karen, it's looking very positive, which as bank people, you know,

13:25Melissa Lee:you get nervous when it's that positive. Gerard, Derek Jeter, somebody did not vote for him to get in the Hall of Fame. So he missed it by being unanimous by one vote. By the way, I did not not vote for you. I would have. So the 498 is effectively a five. U.S. Bank Corp is the name you mentioned, I think it made its all-time high in 2022. It trades 11 times next year's numbers. You probably have 10 % earnings growth. What's holding that stock back, if anything? Yeah, it's a good question, Guy. And I think the big holdback was the sentiment on the stock was very negative coming into 25. They had a surprise change with the CEO in February.

14:03That kind of set it back. But more importantly, from a fundamental standpoint, the company has struggled with its expense growth. And this company, the hallmark of this company five, 10 years ago was this low efficiency ratio. And they lost sight of that. However, what has happened more recently is the operating leverage, that's revenue growth versus expense growth, which was negative coming into the year, has turned very positive in the third quarter and should be positive in the fourth quarter. If they put up two quarters in a row of strong positive operating leverage and give guidance for 26 for continued positive operating leverage, we think this could be the real winner.

14:42Because to your point, it was one of the biggest laggards last year of the regional banks. Gerard, great to see you. Gerard, 4.98. Thank you. See you next time. Julie Biel, are you also worried that things are so good for banks that something will ruin that? Yeah, absolutely. I think that's the one thing that I hate the most is when there's real consensus around anything that usually means it's time for a change. It's really hard to guess what it would be. It could be something where regulation starts to change against their favor if Trump continues to take a more socialist Elizabeth Warren, dare I say, stance.

15:24But I think that broadly speaking, the fundamentals look pretty solid underneath them. It's a function of can this economy continue the way that it's going? and is credit as buttoned up as we all hope it is. I think relatively okay.

15:37Melissa Lee:Yeah, and going back, I think about a month or so, the CFO of JP Morgan was speaking at a conference, and she, I mean, the expense growth that they talked about from like$100 billion in 2025 to$105 billion in 2026 sent the stock down like 5 % in a straight line. Now, obviously, the stocks rebounded and made new highs. It'll be interesting to see how investors react to that because we just heard what Gerard said about operating leverage And so, you know, maybe that was an opportunity to get some of that stuff out of the way for some of their peers and the like. So that's what's interesting to me.

16:09Melissa Lee:And then really what I think some investors might say, where are the productivity gains coming from? A lot of these banks are not looking to hire a whole heck of a lot of people this year. So, again, higher expenses might be in technology, but they might have less of an expense as it relates to, you know, human capital. Well, I think higher expenses go along, though, with some compensation when you have more deal flow and things like that. But you did say something that same day that I agreed with, which is why I remember it so clearly. It was something that I agreed with, which was why not, if you're Jamie Dimon or Marianne Lake or whoever's going to do the call, why not be a little tempered in your enthusiasm?

16:44Why not? What do you give up by doing that? Are you asking me? No, that was your point. And I thought it was a good one.

16:49Melissa Lee:Yeah, there you go. Shocking. Me too. Meantime, Alibaba shares jumping over 10 % today for their best day since August. Reports of the company's quen suite of AI models has surpassed 700 million downloads in December, surpassing offerings from Meta and OpenAI. The move taking other Chinese Internet stocks with it, Baidu, Tencent, JD.com, all seeing some significant gains. In acronyms past, BABA played a prominent role. Karen, yours? In your fake acronym. Had it not been, you know, past tense, I would have done better. But it was a good one. Now, BABA was, I believe, the A in your carb, not the B.

17:26Melissa Lee:Yeah, that's right. There you go. Look at that mind. But is that playing by the rules in this year's anagram contest? I'm not quite sure. As you know, Melissa, it was the bee in my tube. I think I'm playing correctly. And part of the reason I think Karen said it at the beginning of the year is because of the cloud business not being valued property. And now you see the stock move. I wish it had happened, obviously, on December 30th. It's happening today. With that said, I still think Alibaba goes higher. He also had a flurry of announcements from NVIDIA last week. And also the notion that Alibaba can now have access potentially to the H200 chip from NVIDIA is positive, I would think, for a lot of the Chinese internet.

18:01Melissa Lee:Yeah, and it's not just cloud, right? So it's that model. If you have that sort of downloads, I mean, people have been talking about open AI and the global growth there. You know, a billion almost monthly actives, I think. And Gemini is not far behind, about 700 million. The fact that they could do this in such a short period of time. I just think that it's interesting to me that, you know, we're not placing probably enough emphasis or giving enough credit to some of these Chinese models because they are going to go for a digital belt and road. They are going with open source. And obviously, Meta has an open source model that no one's using.

18:33Melissa Lee:So, I mean, at the end of the day, if ChatGPT and Gemini and these others, they want to keep it closed, they might lose the opportunity in places other than the U.S. and China and I guess also in Eastern Europe. Yeah. Julie? Yeah, no, I totally agree. I think we underplay the attention that we should be on the Chinese open weight models. I think they have the real potential to be very disruptive here on a better cost basis. And then the approach that they're using for AI is let's focus less on the general AI capabilities and make them more specific and more practicable in industrials and other applications.

19:09And I think that's the right approach, because when you have a more narrow focus, it really enables the technology to do much better. Coming up, a red day for retail. Why names like Abercrombie and Urban Outfitters are sinking today and the other names getting caught in the sell-off. That's next. Plus, Meta's new hire, how a former Trump advisor could focus her attention as Mark Zuckerberg leans into the company's AI ambitions. Don't go anywhere. Fast Money's back in tune.

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21:16The company narrowed both its sales growth and earnings forecast for the fourth quarter. And Urban Outfitters shed 12 percent today after posting weaker than expected holiday sales growth. Other retail names fell in sympathy. Bath & Body Works, Victoria's Secret, Best Buy, Warby Parker, Macy's also ending the day in the red. Are you worried about holiday overall? No, not really. I mean, of these names, A &F, I do own. So I think the reaction to earnings on December 5th or 6th, whenever it was, the stock went from 66 to last like 130. So that was overdone to the downside. This, I think, is overdone to the downside.

21:54They actually narrowed the range. It didn't even change very much. Clearly, there were whisper numbers or the expectation that something would be better than this. But this is a company now trades at 10 times with a pristine balance sheet and buybacks in place. I like the management team. I think this is really an overreaction to the downside that I got to wait the three-day rule, having not done a great job last year buying Abercrombie, it came down at a similar type of conference where they put this out and the stock got hit really hard. But this seems overdone to me.

22:25Melissa Lee:Urban is, I mean, it doubled since the April low. So I think people are just looking for an excuse to sell it because it weren't disastrous comps. It just weren't good enough. And you see this move. But to Karen's point about the three-day rule, I'll give you the three-day rule. But if this trades 68, which is within sort of earshot of, that's the level to get back in. That's the level of past resistance becomes support. Yeah, I think these kids, they can't get jobs and they don't have any money. I just don't understand how they're buying the urban. They have to start paying back student loans.

22:53Melissa Lee:No, it's just kind of interesting. I mean, this is a category I'm kind of joking a little bit. But it's a difficult category, I would think. And again, we're going to see what margins are, see how much discounting we saw in the quarter. But you also saw Best Buy did not trade particularly well. So maybe this is something we kind of figure out about a consumer that was strained going into holiday season and maybe just didn't spend as much as some folks thought they were. Julie? Yeah, I think I actually am pretty concerned from the margin standpoint, particularly for Urban. it doesn't look great.

23:24And I think the biggest concern we should all have is normally your holiday season is when you're doing better with your full price selling. And in their commentary, they talked about, well, look, yes, margins are probably not great for the fourth quarter, but coming into the next year, we're going to have more full price selling. We're going to be more productive at our stores. And it's sort of like, yeah, this year I'm going to pick better stocks and my results are going to be better. It's like, okay, but how are you going to do that? It's not a foregone conclusion that you're going to be able to have more full price selling.

23:52You obviously messed up on this quarter. So I would be a little bit more concerned. I think it's telling in terms of both the consumer, especially because anthropology was the part that was weak, not the core urban outfitters.

24:03Melissa Lee:Real quick, the flip side of that coin are these dollar stores, which I think we've done a decent job. Dollar Gen made a 52-week high today, and it feels like even just valuation-wise, it still has some room to the upside. And when I say room to the upside, I think the stock could trade about, I don't know,$156, which is another$8,$9 from here. There's a lot more Fast Money to come. Yours is coming up next.

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26:51Welcome back to Fast Money. A new hire at Meta, the company naming former Trump advisor Dina Powell-McCormick as president and vice chair where the company says she'll help guide strategy and execution. Meta also reportedly ready to cut jobs in its Reality Labs division. Julia Borson's more on all of this. Hey, Julia. Hey, Melissa. Well, Meta plans to cut around 10 percent of employees in its Reality Labs division. That's the division that oversees virtual and augmented reality. This according to a report in The New York Times. Now, Meta tells us no comment, but we have seen Meta move away from its focus on the metaverse as it shifts focus to AI.

27:26Meta today announcing a new president and vice chair position for Dina Powell McCormick. The hiring aims to help Meta achieve its AI ambitions, which require massive physical infrastructure, data centers and financing. Sources familiar with the situation tell me that Powell McCormick's first focus will be crafting the company's long-term infrastructure strategy, including strategic capital partnerships. Powell McCormick is a former head of sovereign investment banking at Goldman Sachs. CEO Mark Zuckerberg saying, quote, she'll be involved in all of Meta's work with a particular focus on partnering with governments and sovereigns to build, deploy, invest in and finance Meta's AI and infrastructure.

28:08Also today, Meta announcing Meta Compute. The division's new leaders, Meta's global head of engineering and former safe superintelligence CEO, will work with Powell McCormick on this top level initiative, as they call it, aiming to build tens of gigawatts of energy this decade. Melissa? Should we extrapolate to think that this will go beyond the United States in terms of developing these partnerships? I think absolutely. Just looking at the global reach of Dina Powell McCormick's relationships, she seems incredibly well positioned to partner with sovereign wealth funds, which have already been making big moves into the data center area to see where she can find partnerships to really help co-finance all of the infrastructure needs that Meta is going to have to have to fuel its AI ambitions.

28:55All right. Julia, thank you. Julia Boorstin. Karen, how do you interpret this? I mean, with the significant increase in spending for calendar year 2026, now you have Dina Powell McCormick deployed to actually help spend it and gather new funds. It seems like they're not going to back down from that spending target. And if anything, it could actually go higher. Well, we hope it's not notably higher because that didn't work out last time. That was an expensive word. I mean, Dina Powell is quite experienced in a lot of different things. She worked in W's White House. She worked in the Trump administration the first time.

29:30She worked at Goldman Sachs. I think she did 10 ,000 women. She's done a lot of things. To me, I would think she would be very helpful in navigating Mehta's interactions with government, particularly this one, right? And then also, we know she's married to David McCormick, the senator from Pennsylvania. so she's uniquely positioned I think and she was on the board prior to this so this is an interesting hire

29:59Melissa Lee:you know it's interesting hire after they spent hundreds of millions of dollars hiring engineers right away from a lot of their competitors that they lag behind in AI and you know if there is I think it is about raising money from sovereign wealth if you think the deal that they did for that Louisiana data center they did not want that on their balance sheets I'm sure they're going to have to go with some very, I don't know, creative ways to kind of get the Saudis or some of these other funds to help build this out. And I think having a direct line into the Senate and a whole host of other folks in Washington, that should be just fine, easy to do.

30:33Melissa Lee:I'd say quickly, one more conduit to this current administration. I think that makes sense. And, you know, Facebook reports, I want to say the first week of February. Don't at me if I'm off. But, you know, it has not made it all time high in August. It's sort of sideways to slightly lower since. I think you're looking for a place to get long Facebook into that earnings release. And we're getting, I think, interestingly close to a level of pretty huge support. Coming up, Powell Probe, the impact of President Trump's criminal investigation to the Fed chair and how lawmakers are responding. The details when Fast Money returns.

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31:23Welcome back to Fast Money. Stocks climbing back from early losses. The Dow down nearly 500 points at its lows before rallying and closing at a fresh record, along with the S &P 500. The Nasdaq also jumping a quarter of a percent. Metals also hitting records. Gold and silver both settling at records yet again. Silver already up more than 20 percent in 2026. And Alphabet becoming the fourth company to hit the$4 trillion market cap milestone. The Google parent climbing to its own record after Apple announced it would use its Gemini AI to power Siri. NVIDIA is the only other company currently above$4 trillion.

31:56Apple and Microsoft have both hit that level but have fallen below it. Meantime, three former Fed chairs and a host of lawmakers have spoken out against the Department of Justice launching an investigation to Jerome Powell. For more on the congressional response, let's bring in CNBC's Emily Wilkins for the latest. Emily. Hey, Melissa. Well, look, D.C. is really still grappling with the shockwaves that have come from the DOJ opening up a criminal investigation into Powell. And Powell, for his part, he's responded. He said that he doesn't believe that this is really about him providing false testimony to lawmakers.

32:28He says that it is about a pressure campaign to have the Fed do what the administration wants in terms of lowering interest rates. And Powell said in a letter last night that the threat of criminal charges is a consequence of the Federal Reserve setting interest rates based on our best assessment of what will serve the public rather than following the preferences of the president. Meanwhile, a number of Republican lawmakers have come out today saying that they do not believe that Powell is guilty. And some have gone even further than that. Republican Senator Tom Tillis says that from now on, until this investigation is over, he will not be voting to advance any potential nominees to the Fed.

33:10And because of the math on that committee, that means that if Tillis is joining with all the Democrats against a nominee, they can successfully stonewall anyone from getting through to the Fed at this point. You've had a number of other prominent lawmakers weighing in, including the head of the panel that oversees the Fed in the House, French Hill. He said that this was an unnecessary distraction and also said that it could undermine the administration's ability to make sound monetary policy decisions. We're, of course, hearing from more lawmakers as they return to D.C. tonight. The question is, how is the White House going to respond from this revolt within their own party?

33:49Melissa? Emily, thank you. Emily Wilkins. It's interesting, you know, when the story crossed last night, you saw sort of the commentary in the arc of this overnight this morning. You had concerns about Fed independence. But as more and more resistance came out throughout the day, whether it be from GOP lawmakers or from former Federal Reserve officials or former Treasury officials, the market seemed to feel a little bit better about where we stand.

34:16Melissa Lee:Without question, because if you had asked me, we'd play the game. If you told me this, where's the bond market? I always said TLT is down two handles. Tenure yields are north of four and a quarter percent. And obviously that didn't happen. With that said, I don't think this is positive for the bond market at all. Regardless of some of the rhetoric that's coming out in support of Jerome Powell, it speaks to what they want to happen. And they don't necessarily want the Fed to be as autonomous as it's historically been. And I don't think that's a good thing. And again, it's be careful what you wish for stuff, because the bond market will absolutely challenge whomever is next in that seat.

34:49I'm actually surprised more Republicans didn't come out because, you know, that used to be a party of fiscal restraint and kind of things like an independent Fed, things like that monetary policy that is, you know. So that was a little bit surprising to me. But I think what you're when you describe and is what happened, because if you know last night it was not looking this way at all. Gold still, though, gold had a very big day. That's not surprising, even this. All right. Coming up, the who's who of health care descending on San Francisco for the J.P. Morgan Health Care Conference. InSmed CEO Will Lewis will join us on the ground with the latest in this company's rare disease portfolio and what to expect in the year ahead.

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35:36Welcome back to Fast Money, J.P. Morgan's annual health care conference kicking off in San Francisco today. the largest gathering of biotech and pharma execs, investors, and analysts in the United States. In Smed, among the companies on today's presentation docket, shares have soared over 150 % in the past year, with a rare disease drugmaker reporting preliminary 2025 revenues of more than$606 million ahead of analyst estimates. Joining us for more is In Smed CEO, Will Lewis. Will, great to see you again. Great to be here. And you're actually about to present, I believe, shortly. So you're joining us in advance of your presentation at J.P.

36:11Morgan. The stock is really, you know, rocking today because of your new milestone goals. Can you talk to us a little bit about Aracase sales, if I'm pronouncing that correctly, because you did raise that milestone. What is behind that better-than-expected sort of milestone goal that you have laid out today? So we have actually two drugs on the market now. One is Aracase, which is for the treatment of refractory non-tuberculous mycobacteria lung disease. That's one lung disease. And the other is a drug called Brinsupri, which targets non-cystic fibrosis bronchiectasis. It's the latter drug that has really gathered all the attention, because at the end of last week, we put out preliminary fourth quarter numbers, which showed that in that one quarter, we had addressed more than 9 ,000 patients, which results in a revenue generation of$144.6 million.

37:01To put that into context, that's more than Dupixent did in its fourth quarter in its first year of launch. So this is the beginning of a very strong launch for Brinsupri, and it was matched by the performance of Eracase, which exceeded our raised guidance in 2025. Interesting about both of these drugs with such strong launches that there are other indications for which you're currently in studies to investigate. So, for instance, Brinsupri for HS, which is a skin disease, an Eracase as well, for, I believe, another lung disease. Can you talk us through where you are there and whether or not we will see any sort of applications to the FDA based on these other two indications?

37:41Sure. So the error case trial that's up and running right now called the ENCORE trial will read out either March or April of this year. And if we are able to show success in that trial, it will take the total addressable market for error case from 30 ,000 patients to north of 200 ,000 patients. We've already guided this year that Aircase will do between$450 and$470 million of revenue, so that would obviously be a very substantial expansion of that drug and its opportunity to help those patients. And to be clear, just like refractory MAC lung disease, this expanded or frontline indication, there's nothing approved to treat either of those.

38:17That's matched by Vrensupri, which is being very successful in its initial launch in bronchiectasis, but which is also going to be targeting the disease you refer, Hydra-Adenitis Suprativa, or more simply put, HS. The skin disease, we'll have phase two data for that that will read out in the second quarter of this year. So some near term milestones ahead. And those are coming on the heels of very successful commercial performance.

38:39Melissa Lee:Well, congratulations. Obviously, we're surprised. Well, I shouldn't say that. I'm sure you weren't surprised. I was surprised by the growth not only of overalls, but international sales were staggering number. I mean, is that is that opportunity as robust as it appears through these numbers? It is, particularly in Japan, where the team has done just an exceptional job. That performance was better than expected, even as they raised their guidance throughout the year. And the exciting thing about that is it's still early in the launch in Japan. We have, we're now in our eighth year of launch in the U.S., but Japan is just a couple of years in, and so we're very excited about what they may be able to contribute in 2026 and beyond, not just for Eric Ace, but also for Brent Supri, which we expect will have approval in Japan in the second half of the year and launch shortly thereafter.

39:26Now, of course, Will, the J.P. Morgan Health Care Conference is where a lot of deals get done on the sidelines. There are a lot of partnerships being discussed, inked, et cetera. You've got a lot of drugs that are already launched but will have bigger addressable markets potentially if all the studies go well. Do you have enough money on the balance sheet right now, which I believe is just under$2 billion or so, to see these drugs through a bigger launch, through bigger commercialization? We do, and I would say we have the opportunity to do even more, not just within our own collection or pipeline, as people like to refer to it, but also opportunistically through business development.

40:05And in the fourth quarter, we announced the acquisition of what we now call INS-1148, which is a monoclonal antibody targeting a very specific stem cell factor 248. We're going to be introducing that to pursue indications of moderate to severe asthma and also interstitial lung disease, which are both very substantial market opportunities for which there's a clear medical need. So beyond our internal pipeline, we're adding externally. And I think, as we like to say, this is just the beginning at InsMed because we have an awful lot going on on the commercial front, an awful lot to come on the clinical front, and we're still looking for more.

40:39Looking for more, but on your own, completely on your own, no partnerships, no acquisition. I mean, other than you acquiring. Okay. That is correct. Our ambition is to continue to grow the company, and we've done that very successfully over the course of the last 18 months, as your show has appreciantly tracked. But we're just getting started from our point of view, and that begins with the success of Brin Supri and also Eric Ace, but will hopefully follow with the success of the other indications they're pursuing, as well as our very broad pipeline, which is now arranged across three different therapeutic areas.

41:13So we are focused on respiratory, we're focused on inflammation, we're focused on neuro and rare. And in each of those, we have a substantial collection of assets that we think will be able to be successful. And we set as our target first or best in class in every disease we're going after. These go far afield as Duchenne muscular dystrophy and ALS, for which we're using gene therapy, all the way back to the compound I mentioned that we just acquired, which will first be targeting some substantial indications in the respiratory area. Well, it's always great to speak with you. Thank you. It's my great pleasure.

41:49All right. So he's been steadfast in terms of going at it alone and expanding this pipeline. It's interesting to see the sort of the portfolio. You have drugs that are on the market, drugs where the indication is you're looking for another indication for the drug that's already out there. And then also a pipeline of drugs for completely new indications. It's just sort of interesting. Looking back just two years ago, the market cap of this company was$4.5 billion. It's nine times that now. You've been on this one for a long time, Missy. Well, collectively, especially guys.

42:19Melissa Lee:Collectively, we all have. And it could double from here. And we've said it. I'll use the example. I mean, I think it was 2019 Bristol-Myers bought Celgene, I think, for$74 billion. That's six, seven years ago for$74 billion. This is a very similar type of situation. So, listen, I get that it's going to fluctuate over the next couple of weeks or something. But this is a stock that I do believe could double from current levels. There's a lot more from the J.P. Morgan Health Care Conference on Mad Money. Jim is chatting exclusively with the CEOs of Medtronic, Novo Nordisk, Bausch & Loam, and Pfizer.

42:51You can catch the full interviews top of the hour on Mad Money. Up next, we are revealing the first two trader acronyms of 2026. Will Guy spell out a winner for a second year in a row? Or will Dan earn redemption after last year's photo finish? More Fast Money in two.

43:15Welcome back to Fast Money. It's that time of year. Our traders will be unveiling their 2026 acronyms all week long. They've been hard at work picking the socks they think will outperform Guy's two. He was, of course, our big winner last year, narrowly eking out a victory over Dan's Gen AI. So it's only fitting that we have them kick things off. So, Guy, what is your acronym for 2026?

43:36Melissa Lee:Well, obviously, I've always been very proud of my two, more so last year than any time in my 62-year history. But this year, I'm unveiling my junk to the people of the United States. So let's just take a look at how this is comprised. The J, Jacobs Solution, Neal Jacobs Engineering. This is sort of not necessarily a green play, but getting people up to speed in the 21st century in terms of retrofitting and stuff, a lot in the life sciences. The stock has sold off pretty significantly since it's all-time high. I think you're getting at a very attractive level here in terms of valuation, in terms of stock price.

44:11Melissa Lee:Number one, Unity Software is the you in my junk, Melissa. I'm playing the game correctly. This is sort of a gaming play that's fallen on some disfavor over the last few months. But valuation alone and the potential for M &A here could make it interesting. The N in my junk, and this is I'm very proud of, Novo Nordisk, which we're in the midst of a bearish to bullish reversal. I think we've talked about this story for a while, but finally it's starting to show some signs of life. And I think this is one that could potentially be a 75 % to 80 % winner for me over this year. And then the K in my junk would be Kenview.

44:45Melissa Lee:And why? Because this whole Tylenol thing is going to get washed away at some point. As Karen pointed out prior to the show, some activists getting involved. I think you're getting it at a very attractive level. And a double in this name is not out of the realm of possibility. So I give you my junk, Mel. You present your junk and interesting components to your junk. Let's get to Dan, who was second place last year. 2026 is what, David? Yeah, it's Stash. That's S-T-A-S-H. And what I'm doing here is a little bit, it's not names that have been absolutely disrupted by AI. It's names that actually haven't really embraced it yet and integrated it into some of their products and services.

45:26Melissa Lee:And so to me, the first one would be Snap. And this is a company that's obviously been left for dead. Its products, you know, are still kind of well used. They just don't monetize that well. I think this year they probably have an AI moment. The next one is the trade desk. Now, this is a name. Guy, we had the CEO walk up to the desk the day that this company went public. This is an ad tech company. It's absolutely gotten destroyed the stock here. So I think this is kind of interesting. I think they're going to do a better job with AI. Adobe, another one very similar to what I just kind of described here.

45:56Melissa Lee:And also, this is one that has nothing to do with that theme. This is sweet green. It's just gotten absolutely destroyed. I think you probably have a double from here. And the last one is HubSpot, much like the other ones I said. Do a better job. Integrate AI. So to me, that's my theme. Last year was Gen AI. This year, it's integrating AI into your existing products and services to stocks that have been just smeared. All right. Well, you know, tomorrow we'll get the acronyms from Karen and Tim. We'll see who plays by the rules and who doesn't. Karen. Okay, fine, fine. Up next, Final Trades.

46:38Final Trade Time, Julie Beal. Man, I thought the J in junk was going to be me. Ollie, only detailer I'm not worried about. Karen. Yes, A &F. I think this is overdone, but wait, wait, wait three days. Dan.

46:52Melissa Lee:Yeah, the first S in my stash is snap. I'm going to go with snap. Okay. I'm going to go with general assistant. All right. Thank you for watching Fast Money. See you tomorrow here at 5. Mad Money with Jim Cramer starts right now.

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