Dollar Drops to 3-Year Lows … And AMD’s Latest AI Reveal 6/12/25

12 Jun 2025 · 44 min

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  • Title: Dollar Drops to 3-Year Lows … And AMD’s Latest AI Reveal
  • Air Date: June 12, 2025
  • Host: Melissa Lee
  • Panelists: Tim Seymour, Karen Feinerman, Dan Nathan, Steve Grasso

Episode Summary In this episode, the panel discusses the significant drop of the U.S. dollar to its lowest level since April 2022, driven by geopolitical tensions and trade uncertainties. The implications of this decline for the markets and multinational companies are analyzed. Additionally, AMD's new AI product announcements are reviewed, highlighting their competition with Nvidia.

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Key Topics Discussed

  1. U.S. Dollar Decline
  2. The dollar index has fallen to its lowest levels in three years.
  3. Current geopolitical tensions, particularly with Iran, and a fragile trade deal with China are contributing factors.
  4. Market Implications:
  5. Reduced demand for the dollar as a safe-haven asset.
  6. Potential positive effects on U.S. multinationals and industrials, particularly in commodities.
  7. The panel discusses how a weaker dollar historically correlates with market performance and treasury yields.
  1. Foreign Investment Trends
  2. Foreign investors are reducing exposure to U.S. assets amidst concerns over growth differentials between the U.S. and Europe.
  3. There is ongoing discussion about the current account deficit and its implications for the dollar's reserve currency status.
  1. AMD's AI Product Launches
  2. AMD has introduced new AI chips to compete with Nvidia.
  3. The MI400 AI chips aim to be more cost-effective and energy-efficient than Nvidia's offerings.
  4. CEO Lisa Su emphasizes the growing adoption of AMD products among major AI companies, although market skepticism persists.
  1. Boeing's Stock Reaction to a Tragic Incident
  2. Boeing shares fell nearly 5% following a deadly crash of an Air India jet involving a Boeing 787.
  3. Analysts discuss the potential long-term effects on Boeing's stock and reputation.
  1. Earnings Reports from Tech Companies
  2. Adobe: Reported record revenue, but future growth remains uncertain due to increased competition from AI technologies.
  3. Oracle: Surged after a strong earnings report, reflecting optimism about growth in cloud infrastructure services.
  1. Market Trends and Investor Sentiment
  2. Discussion centers around the importance of foreign investor sentiment and the potential for capital flight from U.S. assets.
  3. The panelists analyze the implications of the dollar's performance on various sectors and the overall stock market.
  1. Emerging Ad Tech Developments
  2. Taboola's new AI search engine, "Deeper Dive," aims to address challenges faced by publishers in the evolving digital landscape.
  3. The platform intends to provide more engagement by linking relevant articles and context for users.

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Key Takeaways

  • Dollar Weakness: While a weaker dollar can benefit certain sectors, the panel cautions against overlooking the reasons behind the decline, emphasizing the importance of economic conditions and investor sentiment.
  • Market Dynamics: The panel agrees that multinationals might benefit from a weaker dollar, but concerns over U.S. economic growth relative to other regions could lead to long-term issues.
  • AI Competition: AMD is positioning itself strategically against Nvidia, but convincing the market of its offerings' value remains a challenge.
  • Boeing's Recovery: The tragic incident poses significant challenges for Boeing, and its impact on stock performance will depend on the investigation's outcomes.
  • Tech Earnings: Strong earnings reports from companies like Oracle highlight the ongoing strength of tech stocks, despite broader market uncertainties.

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Conclusion The episode offers deep insights into the current financial climate, focusing on the implications of dollar weakness, the competitive landscape in AI technology, and the challenges faced by companies such as Boeing. The discussions provide valuable takeaways for investors navigating the complexities of the market.

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0:02Live from the Nanzac Market Side and the heart of New York City's Times Square. This is Fast Money. Here's what's on tap tonight. Dollar doldrums. The greenback falling to more than three-year lows as tensions with Iran flare up and a trade deal with China remains on shaky ground. The implications for the economy and the markets and more troubles for Boeing. Shares of the aerospace giant dropping after the latest deadly crash in India. What does the reaction say about the state of the stock? Plus, a pair of old-school tech stocks hitting new highs. We're watching earnings from Adobe and RH and how AI is changing the ad tech game.

0:34We'll talk to the CEO of Taboola about the future of the space. I'm Melissa Lee coming to you live from Studio B at the NASDAQ. On the desk tonight, Tim Seymour, Karen Feinerman, Dan Nathan, and Steve Grasso. We begin with that staggering drop in the dollar. The dollar index trading at its lowest level since April 2022. Levels even more stark against the euro and the pound. The latest moves coming as uncertainty over trade policy leads foreign investors to reduce their exposure to the greenback. Treasury is following suit with the yield on the 10-year at its lowest level in over a month. So what does this move away?

1:04from the traditional safe haven asset, tell you about where the market is heading? Tim. Well, if they're vacating Treasury assets, you'd think yields would be higher. So, I mean, I think some of that is somewhat conflicting. But I think the confluence of ECB last week getting out there saying, hey, I think we're done in the short term, even though inflation is a little sticky. It's kind of not moving anywhere. And I think at this point, their dovishness relative to the Fed is yesterday's news. I think post-CPI this week here and some Fed commentary and some sense that the markets are pricing in at least now two cuts before now and the end of the year and possibly a bunch next year.

1:41You've got central bank differentials, which are really, I think, putting the dollar in a place where the dollar could weaken that much more. And I think often that is really the number one driver for the Dixie, which is that euro basket cross and then you have the yen. So I think it's a combination of that. I think some of it is trade tariffs in the U.S. economy. I think is growth differentials between us and Europe that have contracted. In fact, you could make an argument in Q1 GDP, which is always backward looking, but that actually the EU on a relative basis was stronger than the U.S. I think what it means for markets is it actually could be very good.

2:17I think it's not bad for U.S. multinationals. We always talk about that number. I think it's certainly very good for industrials. I think it's great for commodities, especially industrial metals. And I think these are trades that were kind of picking up steam anyway. And I don't think it really hurts technology because I think a lot of these technology companies are well insulated from the inflationary forces of a weak good dollar. So net net. I like it. Or should we should we question, you know, doesn't it matter why the dollar is moving lower? And at what point will that outweigh the dollar weakness being a good thing for multinationals?

2:47Well, I don't know. We were talking a little bit about this before that. And Tim brought it up. It's a little perplexing to me that yields are lower. So, right, Treasury is stronger and the dollar lower. So, I don't know, maybe it is. It's not foreign outfills. What? I don't think it's foreign. I think what you're saying is. Yeah, maybe it's a lot of Treasuries as well and yields are higher. And that would make more sense. So, I'm not really sure as to, you know, when the dollar was going the other way and you would have the multinationals have a hit when they talk about constant currency earnings, I always sort of dismissed it then and I'll dismiss it now that, you know.

3:23Who cares? He brings what? Who cares? Who cares that they made it on dollars? I'm sorry. I thought maybe that's what you were saying, because I don't typically care. I mean, FX. That would have been rude if he said it directly at you. That's all right. No, I just I don't really like that as, oh, our earnings are better because, you know, the FX was better. Yeah. I just think that Tim mentioned the growth differentials. We've seen this now twice in the last week and a half, though. We saw OECD and we saw the World Bank this this year. And it's interesting when you think about the uncertainty here and if you talk about, you know, foreign flight of our assets, I mean, you really are seeing pressure on our growth, at least the expectations of that relative to these other countries that we put these tariffs on.

4:04And the idea that you might have a protracted trade situation, it really does. I mean, the idea of capital flight makes perfect sense. It's kind of the opposite of the carry trade that we've seen unwind here and there. Right. Like I think folks are looking for higher yielding places other than the U.S., especially if you think that growth is going to be weaker here than abroad. So, I mean, to me, as far as the yield thing, you know, when you think about quantitative easing, what are they trying to do? Normally, they're trying to get yields down and trying to get the dollar down. And I think that that discrepancy that we've seen over the last two months, maybe it's coming back more in vogue or more the way it should be doing.

4:40But if you do see that stuff going the opposite way, I don't know how you would kind of take what the equity market is doing, climbing back towards those prior highs and not be more concerned about what's going on in the dollar and then that kind of disconnect. Because if you have a weak dollar and you have stronger yields and then you're starting to price in slower growth, that's not favorable to equities, no matter what you think a good dollar or a soft dollar is for S &P earnings. Although the backdrop right now is we have a weaker dollar. We've got all time yields and all time highs. And so the higher yield part is not really working out here.

5:13We've managed to stay in a range, and we're lower today. Yeah, I agree with how Tim laid it out. You have the market at all-time highs. It's a tailwind for multinationals. There's zero correlation to dollar strength or weakness with the overall market. Zero. Historical. Historical. And when you look at the dollar share as reserve currency, it was at 70 % back in the 2000s. So it's been dropping because there's a diversification away from the dollar. The eurozone or the euro will never overtake the dollar as reserve currency. Two fragmented. 20 different countries, 20 different central banks, along with the ECB.

5:53No depth of market the way that we have here. So will it continue? And by the way, the last couple of years, reserve currency of the euro has moved sideways. ways we've been coming down because of diversification to all of them. So no one really sticks out. I think the euro will rally a little more. The dollar might sell off more. Foreign holding of U.S. debt is at all time highs in March 2025. So to Tim's point, no exodus from treasuries. It was up 12 percent year over year. Foreign holding of U.S. debt is at$9 trillion currently, highest ever. I think, you know, ultimately, I don't expect erosion of the U.S.

6:37dollar reserve currency status anytime soon either. I feel like when you say never in the world of markets, I'm joking. Wait, no, no, no, one little snippet. I do believe the reserve currency will continue to fall the same way it fell from 70 % back in 2000s because just these other economies have grown and the markets are growing, so there's diversification. I just don't ever think we will be the smallest or not the smallest, the second largest reserve currency. So that reserve currency could be 40 percent and the rest of the world could divvy up the other ones. Yeah. But I think if you look at where the dollar is, guess what?

7:10We're right back to where we were pre-COVID. So if you remember, after COVID, we went down to about 88 on the Dixie. And then we really went into this period where, again, the U.S. Central Bank was extremely aggressive. It took a while. But ultimately, that trend took us back to where we were and we know where we've come back from. So if you look at a 10-year range in the dollar, we're right back in the middle. If you want to look at a range where I think we start to move, and this is always what we say is how quickly and how fast is the velocity of the move is when you should really be concerned.

7:35This has been a pretty quick move. But again, I don't think the real level to be worried about isn't, I think it's all the way down at 88 on the Dixie. I do think it's a case where some of the themes we're talking about, though, foreign investors and what they're doing with their money and how they view investing in the U.S. I think the most important thing as it relates to the dollar and why the euro actually can have some strength if you are concerned, it's 20 nations that never see eye to eye is because they have it's a current account surplus currency. In other words, Europe has a current account.

8:03So we don't need to get too deep into this. But this is the whole story of, hey, the U.S. should actually it's it's it's a privilege to be running a big deficit because it means people are you're at. They're actually financing our economy, whereas in Europe, they are current account and they're one of the best credits out there. Germany is actually the largest creditor to the world at this point. They just overtook Japan. So these things are all relevant. But back to markets. Yeah, I mean, I think you're right. You've had periods where the markets run really fast in a weak dollar. You've had periods where a strong dollar has been great for us.

8:34I think it really is the dynamics around here. But but everything that's the backdrop of what's been going on with Trump tariff policy and whether foreign flows are coming in and out, I think is relevant. It's just not relevant tomorrow. All right. For more on dollar weakness, let's bring in Kathy Lean, head of FX Strategy at BK Asset Management. Kathy, great to have you with us. What do you think is the number one driver of the dollar's move lower, Kathy? And what do you make of the seeming sort of discrepancy between the extreme dollar weakness that we've seen recently and the relative stability in the Treasury market?

9:05So the question really should be, what's the driver of the near-term sell-off in the dollar versus the sell-off that we've seen over the past couple of months? Because I think that the longer term trends of the dollar and the factors that have been driving it lower have been both cyclical and structural changes, all of which, you know, Tim and Steve pointed out very, very well. Now, in terms of the very recent decline and acceleration and the weakness, that's completely driven by the unexpected softness of the inflation data. As we saw in the Fed fund futures, they shifted dramatically after the inflation report as people realized that we could get a minimum, well, probably a two and a minimum of two and more aggressive easing in terms of rate cuts from the Federal Reserve next year.

9:47So I think, you know, there's a near term force that's driving it lower. But the longer term factors such as slowing growth, slowing inflation, the current account deficit that you just pointed out, along with, you know, reserve diversification, as small as it may be, is happening. And also, you know, there's a lot of talk. And you just asked me, Melissa, about how this record bonds holdings. But, you know, we are actually seeing foreigners, sorry, Japanese investors sell the largest amount of foreign equities in the month of May since 2022. So, you know, we are seeing reduction in demand across the globe, perhaps in different assets.

10:26So I think all of that is contributing to dollar weakness. Where do you see the dollar going, Kathy? So I think, you know, for now, I think the dollar downtrend remains intact. You know, the latest move has been quite significant in terms of slope. So we could see a little bit of stabilization. But don't forget, next week we have the U.S. retail sales report. We have the Federal Reserve rate decision. Very important news events for the dollar. And we're also going to possibly get the details on the unilateral tariffs from the Trump administration. So there's a lot of factors that can cause some sort of near-term safe haven bid in the dollar, particularly if the Fed resists rate cut calls.

11:03But I think the overall trend is still lower because it's inevitable that they're going to have to push the go button and rate cuts in Q4. Kathy, it's Tim. Thanks for joining us. Are we paying too much attention to the yen? You know, of all the central banks out there, BOJ seems to be the one that's been the most unpredictable and maybe unconventional. But yen volatility is something we talk about a lot. Are we paying too much attention? Well, it depends if you're a yen trader or not, right? I think a lot of people do trade yen, and they pay a lot of attention to it. I play one on TV sometimes.

11:33It's on the headlines because they had such a dramatic shift in their central bank policy this year. Part of it is because tariffs kind of forced their hands in not raising interest rates and changed that dynamic. But I think there's a lot of very interesting trades in dollar-yen, and that volatility is a lot of opportunity for traders. All right, Kathy, we're going to leave it there. Thanks so much for your insights today. Kathy Lean, BK Asset Management. Obviously, the weakness in the dollar has huge implications for MIGA and the like. Yes. And I think the MIGA trade's been alive and well. And if you look at the MSCI All World XUS, it was up about 180 basis points on a five-day look back, outperforming.

12:16And I do think that for the most part, especially if you look at more emerging economies, I think the dollar strength at times historically has been a really big, big deal. I think ultimately, though, MIGA is somewhat getting the benefit from the fact is that the Germans are cutting bilateral deals with the Chinese. The fact that it's country by country. And I think people are figuring out ways around. But I think MIGA trade, as much as anything, has been a 15-year underperformance that's now started to reverse. That's why I think you've got a lot of runway here. Yeah, I just want to tell the viewer we're going to get back to the stock market really quickly.

12:50I haven't thought much of this. This all impacts the stock market. I'm just saying. I don't want to lose you here, people. The only thing I'm going to say is that maybe it's really inflationary, the weak dollar, and yields coming down, that sort of thing. Who knows? And you saw what crude oil has done, and maybe there's some geopolitics to that, but I definitely think it's something that would be. But you're talking stocks. Well, we're going to go to the XLE. So Exxon and the XLE, they've been stuck in this range, and I don't even know what you did. Okay, go ahead. We're going to talk stocks. I mean, all of this is really, everything we do is related to the stock market.

13:21I take offense to that. The tech trade here going old school today. We're switching gears. IBM and Oracle both hitting all-time highs during the session. Big blue ending the day slightly lower, but still at more than 8 % this month. Earlier this week, it announced plans for a large-scale, fault-tolerant quantum computer called Quantum Starling. Oracle, meantime, crushing earnings expectations after the bell last night, saying it sees more than 70 % growth in cloud infrastructure for fiscal year 2026. It's like a built-in would-you-rather here, Steve. IBM or Oracle? Yeah, so IBM years ago when we did our secular shorts, that was my secular short, and they never got enough credit.

13:58They were the original AI company with Watson. Now I think they're taking the bull by the horns, and if you look at Quantum, I think they're not going to miss out on this twice. For me, I think I would go with Oracle over IBM on the would-you-rather. I listen to the commercials. They offer twice as much storage for half the price on OCI. So, you know, when you look at their competitors, AWS or Microsoft, they outcompete their competitors. User growth, enterprise growth, net income margins, all through the roof with Oracle. I mean, the call was very, very, very bullish. They do tend to have more positive calls, right?

14:37Yes. Right. But, I mean, the amount of demand there. So we've seen a few times now this sort of support for the ongoing story of AI and the development and all of the infrastructure demand. And that was not even counting the Stargate, which who knows what will happen there. But so Oracle, impressive. I hoped Dell would do better off the heels of it, but it didn't. I'd be careful with Oracle here. You know, Microsoft's been a huge customer. They've obviously been scurrying for capacity when you think of these clouds. I mean, this is not one that, you know, this is a distant five or six, if you think about it, to Azure and AWS and that sort of thing.

15:12So at some point, demand for this excess capacity is going to come in. And I like maybe as they build out their own data centers and this is what all of these hyperscalers are doing. I wouldn't want to be the fourth or fifth player who's actually kind of, you know, sopping up some of that extra demand in the period of this big build out. So to me, like I look at a breakout like that to new all time highs and it seems a little unhealthy to me. and it doesn't actually scream bullish to me. Well, I think the breadth of the AI build out, which, again, Karen, I mean, they're very, very optimistic on these calls, and they have been, and they've done that in the past, and I think the market has responded.

15:51Until then, the market, first of all, runs out of gas on the charts. I mean, it looks like it's broken through those all-time highs decidedly, and I heard Carter earlier in the week say that, you know, more than three and a half percent through a resistance level is actually time to maybe beam by in a breakout. I don't know. But I do think that Oracle on a P.E., we talked about this yesterday in the after hours and the stocks obviously increased on the after hours move. It's not cheap. It's not cheap. But to to count Oracle out here for the last five years has been wrong. To count them out for the last two years has been almost good to put you out of out of a job.

16:25Coming up, we've got a ton of after hours action to bring you, including Adobe. We'll dig into the software giant's results, see how it's faring in the AI age. But first, AMD takes center stage at its own AI event. All the juicy announcements from today's big conference. That's next.

16:40This is Fast Money with Melissa Lee, right here on CNBC.

16:53Welcome back to Fast Money. Boeing shares dropping nearly 5 % following the tragic crash of an Air India jet just after takeoff in western India. The incident killing more than 200 passengers and crew members on the London-bound plane, as well as dozens of people on the ground. The exact causes of the crashes are still unknown. It marks the first involving a Boeing 787 Dreamliner. NBC News' Matt Bodnar joins us now from London, Gatwick Airport with the very latest. Matt. Thank you. Well, really an astonishingly positive development in this deeply tragic story. Indian media and our international partner Sky News have confirmed that there is one accounted for survivor at this time.

17:33He is a British national, a man. We believe that he's about 40 years old. The Hindustan Times, meanwhile, has spoken to a man of the same name, of the same age, who had a ticket in that name, and quote him as saying, quote, 30 seconds after takeoff, there was a loud noise and then the plane crashed. It all happened so quickly. The newspaper says that he is being treated now for injuries sustained to his chest, eyes and feet. Now, I think his account of what happened, of course, is going to be very important in the hours, days, weeks. Moving forward as the official investigation starts to look at what happened here today and share some of its findings.

18:10As things stand, we have heard nothing official from investigators, though aviation experts working with NBC News as well as commenting elsewhere have started to hone in potentially on signs leading to some speculation the flaps were not fully deployed, which could have led to this crash, though it is important to emphasize there is no official information at this time suggesting any cause one way or another. Matt Bodnar, NBC News, London. All right, our thanks to Matt. And again, I just want to underscore the fact that we do not know what the cause of this crash is, but I think RBC put it very well in its note today on this incident, and that is that this brings in the uncertainty of this whole thing.

18:50It's an overhang on the stock. And you have to appreciate that when it comes to the stock, which had just seemed to be emerging from all of its difficulties. We were just talking about this earlier this week. The company was saying that production will be increased by the end of the week. The Paris Air Show was going to come in. Things were looking up for this company. It's the B in your acronym. So, yeah. So, I mean, of course, the tragedy of it is the most important thing. But, you know, I saw it trading down a bunch this morning. And, you know, so we don't know the cause. If you're Boeing, you have to hope that it's pilot error or some mechanical maintenance, a maintenance mechanical issue.

19:29If it is a structural issue, that is like a very bad case scenario for Boeing. So we just don't know at this point. I don't know how long it will take either. So I haven't done anything in the stock. I actually would feel sort of bad trading around in the stock, you know. But it is, I'm sure, tremendously frustrating and obviously so sad for everyone related. Yeah, I actually nibbled on a little of the stock yesterday. I added to a position that felt really good. I think a horrible tragedy. I mean, just horrible tragedy. And I think related to just what this means for leaving aside sentiment for the stock and an overhang.

20:12I don't think this affects the production ramp unless there's something decidedly negative that's determined in the short to medium term. So I think you're a little worried about the feedback loop as it might affect the 777 certification. And I think that's something to think about. But right now, I don't know that there's a fundamental impact on the company. And some of those deliveries and the order book and the things that were part of the bull story a week ago are still there. It just, again, there's still so much unknown here. And it's another tragedy. We should note, too, that this plane had been in the works or not in the works, but working as a working plane for 10 years.

20:54So it's been in service for quite some time at this point. And this is the first fatal plane crash involving a Dreamliner specific. And we don't know how it's been maintained. We don't know whose fault it is. We don't know any of these things. Boeing, when you look at it for five years, has been in a trading range. $130,$280. Pretty much right in the middle of that trading range. So horrific accident. 40 % of the revenues come from the U.S. government. I think you're okay to nibble on the stock. And we don't know what the cause of the accident was. ultimately this is not a terrible place to buy the stock.

21:30Kamiap, Adobe and RH on the move after reporting earnings. The numbers behind the action next. Plus, Chime Financial soaring in its debut, opening well above its IPO price. What to make of the action in this consumer finance name? You're watching Fast Money Live from the Nasdaq Markets. I did Times Square back right after this.

21:58Welcome back to Fast Money. We've got an earnings alert on Adobe. The stock is giving up early gains despite a beat on the top and the bottom line. CNBC's Pippa Stevens has got details on the quarter. Pippa. Hey, Melissa. So Adobe did see record revenue in the second quarter with digital media and digital experience revenue coming in ahead of expectations. Guidance also exceeding estimates with Adobe raising its full year revenue and EPS targets. Now uptake in monetization of Firefly, the company's AI technology, was top of mind with the company saying on the call, just now that the Firefly app is attracting new users to the Adobe franchise and that first-time subscribers grew 30 percent quarter over quarter with paid subscriptions nearly doubling.

22:36The company added that combined monthly active users across Acrobat and Express climbed 25 percent year over year. Still, Evercore ISI is saying the guide likely keeps shares in a range and that until there is a better sense that the new pricing structure and Firefly is driving incremental net new annual recurring revenue, most investors will remain in wait-and-see mode. Melissa? All right, Pippa, thank you. Pippa Stevens. Dan, what do you think? Yeah, they're going to wait and wait-and-see mode because there's so much competing stuff coming out of there, these image generators, and they're coming from everywhere.

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23:07They're coming from OpenAI. They're coming from Google. They're coming from Meta. And, you know, Meta has released, you know, some products that they're just giving directly to brands, right, to kind of get around some of those middlemen, that sort of thing on the advertising front. So this is one where, you know, that guidance and that result, they're just not good enough, you know. And so this is a company, she just mentioned Firefly. This was, you know, something that investors were really excited about two years ago, and it's still, you know, down considerably from their all-time highs. So this one, to me, I think it's kind of a no-touch.

23:36The only saving grace is the valuation relative to peers. Great point. Yes. And on an EV to free cash flow, it trades, I think, 18, 19 times with peers at 28, 29 times. I think the bar was really low coming into this. So So if you're a shareholder, I think it's disappointing this response. And I do think it's a case where the chart, it's been making lower lows in 25. It's hard to feel great about it, even though this is a world-class company. At some point, I think it's going to catch a bit. On a technical level, it bounced in April right where it bottomed in May of 2023. So the technical setup looked great, but to Tim's point, still on a declining trend line for 2025.

24:16It has to break out. I would say another$10 to the upside. It breaks that downtrend. I would wait for that. Coming up, AMD in the spotlight, the biggest headlines are the Chipmakers Advancing AI event as it hopes to spark the semi-stocks next leg higher. More Fast Money in two.

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24:49Welcome back to Fast Money. Stocks finishing higher as Oracle's new all-time highly led tech stocks, the Dow gaining 101 points, the S &P jumping 23 points, and the Nasdaq up a quarter percent. And Chime Financial surging in its debut here at the Nasdaq, the five-time CNBC disruptor ending the day up 37 percent from its$27 IPO price. Meanwhile, nuclear stocks, Oklo, Constellation Energy and Vistra seeing big action today. Oklo whipsawing on the back of a planned$400 million capital raise while the others posted solid gains. GameStop locking in its worst day in just over a year. The meme stock announcing late Wednesday it would offer$1.75 billion worth of convertible notes to institutional buyers.

25:30And last but not least, Novo Nordisk jumping 3 % after announcing it would advance subcutaneous and oral emicretin for weight loss to phase 3 clinical development. The stock is up 20 % in just the last month. Tim, you've been a big fan. Also, you do too, Karen, on Novo. Well, it's good that Karen and I take the other side of the Pfizer trade. But I think it's a combination. By the way, you look great. I appreciate that. Look, I don't need the oral. But I do think the oral headlines are part of it. I just think it's a reaffirmation of the strategy. The CEO change, which was kind of a back to the future, unexpected, but in some level, I think, was reaffirming what's going on all along.

26:10I just think, you know, if you look at their position in GOP land, at least on a global nature, it's still the biggest player in the market and was not being treated as such. And I think the data that was misunderstood back in December in terms of, you know, what body mass that was lost relative to the competition was overdone. I think you buy it. The entry of activist investors is pretty interesting, too. Yes. Although we talked about this literally. It was the activist investor wanting to have the say in who the CEO is. Yeah, wanting to influence who might be chosen. Yeah, I think also, well, there is that, but they had already agreed that they would make a change.

26:46Yeah. So but the other thing is valuation. Right. If you look at the valuation differential between Lilly, which is sort of the undisputed leader. But however, the Novo franchise is, you know, serious, serious number two without a number three at the moment. So at this point, though, all along, actually, I'd rather own Lilly than Novo. Yeah, what about XLV, though, too, right? If you think about the idiosyncratic risk that you have, let's say, and I know that's a huge part of the XLV, but we saw what just happened in OVO and the underperformance over the last year or so. If some of these names, if a UNH comes back in the XLV, I think that folks are probably a little too bearish on some of those names.

27:26So, you know, this one, it's a cheap if you look at the components of it. And maybe you get some of these other names that kind of make some breakthroughs on the GLP-1 front, too. AMD shares falling 2 % today, even after revealing a new crop of AI chips intended to compete with NVIDIA's flagship processors. Christina Parts-Nubles joins us with a key readout from AMD's Advancing AI event. Christina. Well, AMD really just threw down the gauntlet against NVIDIA today with its MI400 AI chips, which are set to ship next year. These chips are stacked into massive server racks called Helios. Think hundreds of processors that work as one giant brain.

28:03This matters because AI companies need exactly this kind of hyperscale setup to train their large language models. AMD's betting it can also undercut NVIDIA in terms of price as well as power consumption, with executives promising, quote, aggressive pricing, although they didn't share the actual numbers in terms of cost. The company also claims its new hardware beats NVIDIA on offerings for AI inference, which is the part where trained models actually answer questions and generate responses. CEO Lisa Su just spoke with our John Ford just within the last hour or so about the major partners on board.

28:36Listen to him. If you look today, you know, seven out of the top 10, you know, model builders and AI companies are using AMD products. You know, that includes Meta, Oracle, OpenAI. Sam Altman was here with us today. Meta and Oracle were here. You know, XAI, Tesla, to name a few. Despite that, though, AMD's share price stock really hasn't gone anywhere in the last year. down almost 2 % versus NVIDIA, up 5 % year-to-date, suggesting investors really aren't convinced so far that this, David, can take on the Goliath of AI chips. But with cloud providers and AI companies burning through billions of dollars on computing power, AMD's timing couldn't be better.

29:16The question is whether customers will be willing to risk switching from NVIDIA's proven ecosystem for potential savings from AMD, I should say. Melissa? Christina, Lisa Su is also talking about an open system yielding the best innovation. And I guess that's sort of, she's talking her book. She wants people to be out of the NVIDIA ecosystem and be willing to use AMD chips and technology. So it's the seventh generation RockM. That's her software platform that they also announced the seventh generation. That's an open ecosystem, which differs from CUDA. NVIDIA is a closed system. But if you recall, perhaps maybe just, was it a month ago, not even, And NVIDIA is finally opening up their closed ecosystem, specifically with a product called Envy Link.

29:59So without getting too technical, NVIDIA is realizing that the future is open. You need to be able to take different parts from different companies, even though both companies really just want to own the entire stack and have everybody just stuck on their products. But it seems like that's not going to be the future. Chips need to either work together or else you lose market share. All right. Christina, thank you. Christina Parts Nevelis, what do you make of AMD? Only because you asked me, would I rather NVIDIA or AMD? Because I know that's what you were thinking, right? I was not. I didn't know that.

30:30I wasn't thinking either. Neither? No one? You may answer the question anyway. AMD. I would rather have AMD. I think AMD is the wolf on the hill versus NVIDIA is the wolf at the top of the hill. I think NVIDIA has more to lose. AMD has more to gain. But I've said that so many times. You could have, right. So AMD was in a declining trend line since March of 24. convincingly broke out of that declining trend line in May this year. So I would rather, if I'm putting new money to work, I'd rather buy AMD. NVIDIA way ahead, but AMD is poised to be the biggest opportunity for them. Well, I don't want to take the other side of the birthday boy, but I'm going to anyway.

31:09So I'd rather, and the way I'm positioned, is far more dollars in NVIDIA than, I was going to say no, but we were just talking about it, than AMD. I do like Lisa Sue a lot. But the valuation differential is not very big, right? So that makes me far more interested in NVIDIA over. Yeah, well, I mentioned this. So the gross margins in NVIDIA, this has been something we've all been tracking. The company guided them down. And, you know, since they did a couple quarters ago from the high 70s, kind of the low 70s, they said it's going to pick up back at the end of the year. The stock really stalled out.

31:39I mean, it's really gone sideways. And, you know, if you look at AMD and you talk about how they're going to compete with NVIDIA, it's going to be on price. AMD has already this built-in kind of ramp as far as margins are concerned year over year. They went 53 % last year, 51.5 % expected this year, up to like 55. If they're going to be competing on price, that's not happening. So the stock you just mentioned, valuation, it's probably too expensive. And that's already embedded in the street consensus. Because of Steve's birthday, I'm not going to say anything about the wolf on top of the hill or the wolf on the hill.

32:11Or that he's crazy like a fox. or all these other animals that are involved. But happy birthday, Steve. That's it? Well done. I agree with Tim. AMD is the A in band. So I obviously, enough said. Enough said. All right. Okay. Boom. Coming up, ad tech firm Taboola introducing a brand new way to search the web with AI, what it means for publishers, and how it challenges the incumbents. But first, RH on the move after reporting earnings. What the high-end furniture maker has to say about their consumer's demand. Next.

32:51Welcome back to Fast Money. We've got another earnings alert on RH. The stock jumping after hours after posting a beat on earnings, but revenue came in short of expectations. CNBC's Melissa Repko has got more on this. Melissa. Hey, Melissa. So RH's leaders are facing two major challenges when it comes to sales, a slow housing market and higher tariffs. On the company's earnings call, CEO Gary Friedman laid out some steps that RH is taking to blunt the impact of tariffs. He said the luxury retailer is moving more production out of China and expects receipts from the country to drop from 16 % in the first quarter to 2 % in the fourth quarter.

33:25He said RH will delay the launch of a new concept until spring 2026 when it hopes to have more certainty about tariffs, but it's still opening stores in Paris and in London. RH stuck by its full year guidance saying it expects revenue to grow by 10 to 13 percent. But it's important to note that came in below Wall Street's expectations when it announced its forecast three months ago. RH's shares may be up today, but so far this year, the company's stock is down almost 55 percent. All right, Melissa, thank you. Melissa Repko on RH. We should note that the short interest is high on this one, 21 percent.

33:58So that probably accounts for a lot of this huge surge in the after-hours session. Karen, what do you make of this? The user of the CEO has a lot of colorful comments to say on the conference call. Yes, Usually, yes, some bleeped out was what happened last quarter during the liberation day was the date of their last earnings call. And it just threw everything into upheaval. I think they had a lot of Vietnamese imports from Vietnam that they thought would protect them from having too much in China. As we know, huge, you know, 47 percent, I think, was the number against Vietnam. So, I mean, it was better than feared.

34:30And I also think maybe the pulling back and waiting on the new concept is probably not a bad idea. But what you point out to it, I think, is the most important thing. Short interest, 21 percent. That's a very big number. Yeah. I own RH, you know, somewhere in this vicinity. And boy, I probably could have traded it five times on these kinds of swings, because if you look at over the last six months, I mean, you've had, first of all, you've had a major down move on the tariff. So, you know, but this is a company that over the last three years also has traded down from its COVID glory days. And I still think that the story around the margin profile of the company has been relatively preserved.

35:01I still think if you think about a world where demand on the housing side isn't great, but people staying in houses, people refurbishing, et cetera. I kind of like this one. I think they've done a decent job with maintaining the margin profile and not giving the house away on promotions. I think you stay there. There are some skepticism going into the quarter. I mean, given, obviously, the macro uncertainty heavily weighs, the last conference call raised all sorts of questions. Also, they announced a new promotion just over the past weekend. And they said, you know, a new promotion for members that would give you 30 percent off as opposed to 25 percent off, probably a sign of weakness as opposed to strength.

35:35So people didn't take that. I mean, when you look when you look upon it, down 50 to 60 percent, this is where you want to buy a stock. If you believe that going forward, the stock is going to pop. I think this is the opportunity. They're 95 percent reliant on the U.S. buyer. And if tariffs even get incrementally better, I think with that short interest, the stock could pop aggressively. Remember once upon a time on the conference call, they talked about the stock market being the number one driver of sales. Oh, the correlation. Right, right, the correlation. And where are we in the stock market?

36:06Just one more thing about the short interest. The CEO owns about 18 percent of the company, so the short interest on the float is actually even higher, right? Assuming he doesn't lend his stock. Coming up, a deep dive into a brand new way to search with AI, courtesy of Taboola. CEO Adam Singolda will join us right after this. More Fast Money in Two.

36:34Welcome back to Fast Money. News sites are feeling the impact of AI. A report by The Wall Street Journal this week highlights how Google's new AI tools and other chatbots are replacing traditional searches, getting rid of the need to click those blue links, which refer users to new sites, causing traffic to tank. Our next guest company just launched their own Gen.AI search engine that could help fight the AI Armageddon. And coming for these publishers, Taboola rolling out Deeper Dive, which will surface links to relevant articles and provide additional context to bolster engagement. Taboola founder and CEO Adam Sengolda joins us now with more.

37:06Adam, great to see you. Thanks for having me. So how exactly does this work and how is it different from me typing something into Gemini? So, I mean, you know, taking a step back, I think there's like three main challenges that we're seeing. The first one is that when you go to a perplexity, or maybe we can call it simplexity, you know, maybe it's too simple. You get this short summarization of my question. And I think in many ways, it's like a new generation of a chamber box. We used to think of social media as a concern for confusing consumers. But in many ways, we've always had this vaccine in the back of our mind because we knew social media is social media.

37:43Perplexity, I actually think this is real. And they're not motivated to send me to a publisher's site to get more, to read more, to get educated. I think that's a risk. The second thing is that they're stealing content from publisher's sites. They're not paying money. They're not sending traffic. And, you know, evil is a short-term strategy. How long? How long can they take publishers' content and just not compensate the industry for that? And the third one, which is maybe the most exciting for me, is that when I do go to a CNBC or a USA Today, which is one of our launching partners, today I am yet to have an ability to have a conversation about something that I want to do.

38:19So if I want to have a conversation about a trip to Cancun with my kids, and I know the travel section of USA Today is awesome. Today, I can't do it. But what if I can just have three kids, seven, five, and three? That's what my wife loves. What should I do? And I get the answer, similar to perplexity, but I also get a deeper dive. It says you should also check this out. Here's something that some of our reporters wrote. Real people, real coverage. So I think the divide, the opportunity we have with Deeper Dive and the open web is when you want to make decisions that matter, financial services, travel, commerce, you need to go to open web and converse about things that you know there's someone behind that decision.

38:59Who is a user for this? And is this the user who also uses perplexity? I think perplexity. I think we're creating a new space. You know, you'll go to perplexity for things that, you know, the short answer is good, but I think it's not enough. Much like today, you know that TikTok is not enough. it's entertaining. You get some of what you want to know. But you know that, like, if I took my wife to a trip to travel and I've never reviewed where I'm going beforehand and I didn't go to a website to see some images and videos and comments, I may come back with a divorce. Sounds like that's happened to you before.

39:30I mean, my wife is Polish and she's very critical about my decisions. You know, but I'll tell you, it's just, it's simple, but it's maybe too simple. So I think there's a huge opportunity to get consumers to know that there's a huge world beyond those engines, those new walled garden engines, you can get value from. Adam, did the publishers come to you looking for some sort of solution? Because there's obviously been a lot of criticism. There haven't been a lot of lawsuits from the publishers, as you think about it. I think the News Corp is one of them, and there's been some cease and desist sort of orders.

40:00But is this a solution that they've come up with, and you've built the engine, or is it the other way around? It's both. I mean, I've heard publishers. I've had dinner with publishers who told me we've had these engines come in for a meeting offering us$25 ,000. for 50 years of content, these people were kicked out of the office, sued, and blocked. So I think we're going to see a lot of, we saw a Disney announcement just yesterday. We're going to see a lot of publishers saying enough is enough. We've seen it also 10 years ago. If you remember, when Facebook had instant article and they hosted publishers' content in the feed, at first, it was a cool product for consumers, and everyone did it.

40:38And then one day, the New York Times said, I'm out. Enough is enough. We're not getting money. we're not getting traffic. I suspect history will repeat itself and publishers will eventually say you either pass or you send us traffic or you get lost. Right. How does this though solve for these engines scraping the data? Because if they could, if the New York Times could turn it off today, would it be in their best interest to turn it off today or would it not be? I mean, in this age where things are still growing and people are, you know, I don't really know how they would play that? You know, it takes a lot of courage to be first, I think, to raise your hand and say, I'm going to do it.

41:14And some people have a lot more leverage than others. What I'm focusing on, I can tell you, is first, let's create value on the site where people are already coming in. Look, about 30 to 40 percent of traffic to the CNBCs of the world and, you know, the websites that really have a brand come from search. That traffic is at risk because if I no longer search, or I go to perplexity and share GPT, that is at risk. But 60, 70 % of people come to my site from newsletters, homepage, and other ways. How can I turn those consumers to super users? How can I get you, you know, it's amazing, the average person spends 90 seconds a session when they come to a publisher's site.

41:5590 seconds, meanwhile, they spend 50 minutes on TikTok every single day. What if we can turn those 90 seconds to 10 minutes, to 15 minutes? we can converse with you so you never leave. And no matter what if over time you speak with me about, I'm ESPN and you talk to me about the Knicks, which I'm so upset about, for so long. What if I can offer you sports betting, subscription to NBA app? What if I can be your agent for commerce? So I think the future is bright because we've done very little as an industry adopting AI. And with this can be a whole new beginning for the open web. Adam, thank you.

42:32Great to see you. Thanks. of next Final Trades.

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