In short
Fast Money (7/1/26) focuses on whether strong economic data/jobs could trigger a Fed rate hike, plus stock-specific calls across dividends, AI cloud, fintech payments, and a Bitcoin proxy.
Guests/desk
Tim Seymour (trader/host), Karen Feinerman (trader/host), “Bono” and “Eisen” (hosts), Stu Kaiser (Citi head of U.S. equity trading strategy), and senior economics reporter Steve Liesman (Fed coverage). Later guests: Julia Boorstin (Meta/AI cloud reporting) and Mark Palmer (Benchmark StoneX analyst on Strategy).
Key claims
Warsh’s comments suggest inflation control and balance-sheet reduction “slowly, deliberately,” not July hikes; strong jobs are “good news” for equities. AI’s macro impact is debated but not expected to swing markets without a large jobs surprise. Meta’s new “Meta Compute” cloud plan could create a revenue stream; bottlenecks remain. Afirm/payment fintech “Affirm-like” stock (A) is a buy-the-dip rebound. “Dividend kings” highlighted: Lowe’s, Johnson & Johnson, utilities/PowerGen theme, and Altria. Strategy (Bitcoin proxy) could reach ~$570 on Bitcoin upside; downside risk is mitigated by cash/ring-fenced dividend coverage and optionality.
Notable examples
Nike’s sharp rebound after earnings; Walmart’s selloff framed as valuation reset; dividend list includes P&G, Lowe’s, Coca-Cola, Altria.
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Chapters
Tap a time to open that second in VOJobs Report Anticipation
1:35 to 2:32
Discussion on the upcoming jobs report and its implications for the market.
“On the desk tonight, Tim Seymour, Karen Feinerman, Bono and Eisen, and Stu Kaiser, head of U.S.”
Fed Policy and Inflation
2:32 to 4:25
Analyzing the Fed's focus on inflation and the job market dynamics.
“And for a guy that doesn't want to say a lot, right?”
AI's Impact on the Economy
4:25 to 6:00
Debate on how AI affects job markets and inflationary pressures.
“I mean, yeah, it's all we're all twisted around here.”
Fed Communication and Policy
6:00 to 8:02
Discussion on the Fed's communication strategy and its future implications.
“And I think the other part of that is Fed rate hikes are going to do absolutely zero to impact CapEx spending of the hyperscalers.”
The Future of Fed Strategy
8:02 to 14:00
Exploring how the Fed's approach might change under Warsh's leadership.
“Yeah, but I want to make one point, which is that everything you guys are talking about, which was a really smart conversation, I was enjoying listening to it.”
Fed Communication Changes and Market Impact
14:00 to 17:09
Discussion on how Kevin Warsh's approach to Fed communication might influence market volatility.
“I think this will be an interesting process where we'll get a review of communications from somebody not in the system.”
Nike's Stock Recovery Analysis
17:10 to 19:46
Analyzing Nike's stock performance after a significant drop and potential recovery signals.
“Meanwhile, shares of Nike jumping almost 5 percent today comes on the back of a quarterly earnings report that sent the stock tumbling after hours yesterday during our show.”
Upcoming Meta Cloud Business Discussion
19:47 to 20:22
Introduction to Meta's new cloud business and its potential implications for the tech market.
“But I agree with Tim's bigger point about macro and macro-athletic.”
Meta's AI Cloud Infrastructure Plans
22:04 to 24:48
In-depth analysis of Meta's plans for a cloud business amid existing market competition.
“MetaShare is surging nearly 9 % after the company announced it is building a new cloud business with plans to sell its excess AI computing power.”
Bottlenecks and Market Predictions
24:49 to 27:58
Discussion on market bottlenecks and the implications for US public spending and technology.
“is a long-term one that hasn't actually happened yet.”
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Upcoming Discussions on Payment Players
28:00 to 28:30
Hosts introduce the topic of a specific payment player and tease a debate.
“Coming up, permanent focus as a payment player doubles off its 52-week low.”
Analyzing a Firm's Stock Recovery
28:58 to 31:10
Discussion on the recent stock performance of a financial technology company.
“Request your invite at CNBCEvents.com slash Game Plan.”
Dividend Kings: Who's Worth Investing In?
31:11 to 35:09
Traders discuss dividend stocks and who they consider as potential dividend kings.
“The company is being deemed dividend kings after hiking pants for more than 50 years.”
Bull Call on Bitcoin Strategy
35:10 to 36:15
Expert analysis on a Bitcoin proxy and market predictions.
“And it also feels like all we do is talk about the decline of the cigarette industry.”
Understanding Strategy's Position Amidst Crypto Volatility
36:16 to 42:00
Deep dive into the company Strategy's financial strategies and market risks.
“Catching a bid today, bouncing 7%, though it's lost more than a third of its value over the past month.”
Understanding Bitcoin's Value and Company Obligations
42:00 to 43:44
Learn how a company's Bitcoin holdings can support its financial obligations and strategic positioning.
“terms of being able to address its obligations.”
Walmart's Recent Stock Performance
43:46 to 44:01
Explore the factors contributing to Walmart's stock decline and its future outlook.
“The big box retailer getting hit today, continuing its recent drop.”
Analysis of Walmart's Valuation and Market Position
44:02 to 45:45
Discover insights on Walmart's valuation challenges and strategic investments affecting its stock.
“Walmart closing out the day down nearly 4 percent.”
Final Trades and Investment Strategies
45:46 to 46:20
Get insights into the hosts' final trade recommendations and their investment strategies.
“So, okay, I'm not on the opposite side of where Bonwin is on JP Morgan.”
Transcript
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0:58Live from the Nasdaq MarketSite in the heart of New York City's Times Square, this is Fast Money. Here's what's on tap tonight. Counting down to the jobs report, could a good number actually turn out to be bad news for the red-hot market? And could it push the Fed Chairman Warsh and the Fed to a July rate hike? We'll debate that. And knighting some stock royalty, the dividend kings hiking payouts for more than five decades. Which ones are traders are crowning? Plus, meta soaring into the clouds, a firm's payment pops from its March lows. and bold up on strategy, why one analyst sees the stock surging nearly 500 % from here.
1:33I'm Melissa Lee. Come to you live from the studio. Be at the NASDAQ. On the desk tonight, Tim Seymour, Karen Feinerman, Bono and Eisen, and Stu Kaiser, head of U.S. equity trading strategy at Citi. Great to have you, Stu. And we start off with a question. Could good news for the economy mean bad news for the markets? As investors brace for tomorrow's June jobs report ahead of the 4th of July weekend, the numbers expected to show a 115 ,000 increase in jobs with the unemployment rate expected to hold steady at 4.3 percent. This, as private payrolls came in lighter than expected, rising by 98 ,000 in June.
2:04Tomorrow's jobs data will come after Fed Chairman Warsh made comments at the ECB forum in Portugal today, declining to hint at any July rate decision, but saying inflation is too high and that the AI boom will have huge implications for Fed policy. Markets currently pricing in a more than 70 percent chance of the Fed keeping rates steady at the July meeting, a 63 % chance of at least a quarter point hike at its September meeting. But could tomorrow's jobs number change those odds in a major way? Tim, what do you think?
2:32Karen Finerman:Well, he said a lot. And for a guy that doesn't want to say a lot, right? Remember, we're not going to get a whole lot out of the Fed and AI massively impacting Fed policy. You know, at face value, you can say it's deflationary. There's dynamics. I know we had the AI inflation last week of memory and Apple and what they're doing. But ultimately, the question is really on the jobs market. And so because that's where I think the Fed is going to be most directly focused. That's their wheelhouse. I like the fact that he's saying he's not comfortable at two percent. This is about winning back credibility for the Fed.
3:01Karen Finerman:I'm not saying the Fed doesn't have credibility. There are some people out there that have felt that the Fed has been way too accommodative, that that two percent target doesn't really matter. In a short order, if we saw a 180 or God forbid, a 250 payroll number tomorrow with some some some higher wages element, I think the markets would get a little skittish. But let's be clear. The economy is not overheating. Now, if you have to tick around with policy a little bit to establish where you are and you're Kevin Warsh, equities probably don't like that. I think they traded a little bit on the news today.
3:33Karen Finerman:Remember, of all the major central banks out there, the Fed right now is the easiest. That's my view. In other words, we had the ECB who cut back in June. We have the BOJ who actually, you know, did cut. And as indicated, they may hike, hike, sorry, hike and may hike. We're at a case here where I think the Fed of the three is probably got the most accommodative policy. If they were to go 25, which they're not going to do in July, I think it would be fine for markets. But let's say it's not even 250 and it's somewhere south of that, but north of expectations. I mean, don't we just need if we just saw the jobs market firm and maybe a little bit warmer than expected, that could give the Fed some room to deliver a hike to deliver.
4:19I'm sorry, a hike. Yeah, a hike. Sorry. You got me. Yeah, no, it's backwards day. My fault. It's bad news. I mean, yeah, it's all we're all twisted around here. But I mean, it could give them the leeway to say, you know what, we can hike because we want to. We are committed to delivering two percent inflation. Yes. I think to me, you know, it has this dual mandate. But to me, one side of the dual mandate is heavier now. Right. And that is the price stability part, which is further away from where you want it to be, where the jobs picture is much closer and actually right where you want it to be.
4:48It's pretty good. Yeah. So to me, the the inflation part is much more important. I don't think anything really happens, but I want to hear more about the Fed balance sheet and those tools, which I didn't get enough detail to know from him today. But that's what I'm very curious. What do you think, Stu? I mean, I don't think the Fed's hiking rates because of jobs, full stop. And I think if you're an equity investor, you should never complain about strong jobs data. Unapologetically, good news is good news from an equity perspective. You know, what it does to Fed policy, we can definitely, you know, sort of have a debate about.
5:26It's funny that a few months ago, the view was he's going to be uber-dubish, he's going to walk in and he's going to cut just for Trump. and now we're having the opposite discussion. I do believe the debate around the macro impact of AI has shifted materially over the course of the last three to six months. Six months ago, this was viewed as upward pressure on the unemployment rate and very, very deflationary. Tokens have got expensive, layoffs have paused, and now it's viewed as probably inflationary because of the huge industrial production and construction build-out. So him saying that's going to significantly impact Fed policy is probably true.
5:58I don't think we know in which direction. And I think the other part of that is Fed rate hikes are going to do absolutely zero to impact CapEx spending of the hyperscalers. So I'm not sure that they really have much ability to impact this anyway. So I think it's probably a very uncomfortable situation for them in that sense. Yeah. Bonwin, your thoughts ahead of the jobs number? Yeah, I tend to do this, too. I think AI, I mean, that narrative has definitely kind of reversed itself there. And I also think you're going to have to get a very large volatile swing in one direction or the other in order to kind of move markets away from what the current expectations are, in my view.
6:36All right. So, wow, a lot of no impact.
6:40Karen Finerman:Well, let's be clear. The economy is in great shape. We had a PMI number, also a manufacturing side that at least is near four year highs. It was a little weaker than last month. But, you know, everybody thought this was just a big fat pull forward or that a lot of this is AI driven. I'm not so sure. I think, you know, and I'll give the White House some credit here. I mean, this is there's been a lot of manufacturing that's been either attempted to be started to be brought back home. I think it's something that's a trend that's going to continue. We all know the service is part of the economy is a lot more important.
7:09Karen Finerman:But the prices paid component came way down. We know a lot of that was oil, but the PMI numbers were good. The Jolts numbers yesterday were good. A payroll number. You know, Stu's saying like, let's let's let's call it what it is. This is going to be a very good backdrop for equities, especially with the earnings growth that we have. And, yeah, I mean, if we have a hawkish Fed, that's not great, except for the fact that right now I think things are pretty accommodative. I think markets are at all-time highs. I think there's a ton of liquidity. I think we could take 25 bps even though they're not going to do it.
7:40All right. For more on the jobs picture and the Fed, let's bring in senior economics reporter Steve Leesman. Steve, I know you've been listening to our conversation. and the point that Karen made in terms of the dual mandate, a strong jobs number could afford the Fed to look away from that side of the mandate a little bit more and focus much more on the price stability part and maybe embolden them or give them the leeway to hike more. I mean, is that a good interpretation or we just don't know enough about Warshad to have that interpretation? Yeah, but I want to make one point, which is that everything you guys are talking about, which was a really smart conversation, I was enjoying listening to it.
8:14This is a high class problem, right? And I think I kind of started with Tim on this. Look, let's go back to Powell and the dilemma that he had between a potentially weakening job market and inflation being brought up by tariffs and then by oil prices. And the Fed was in this terrible place where it couldn't cut rates, it couldn't hike rates, you know, it tried to stay a little bit above neutral. the idea that the job market seems to be in decent shape. Maybe it's a little hot. Maybe it's a little, it cools down a little bit tomorrow is a really good way for the Fed to say, you know what, I can focus on the inflation side of the mandate.
8:52I do not have a problem. And so that's what you hear Worsh saying. He's talking about this idea of, hey, you know, I'm not giving forward guidance. But he reiterates a firm commitment to deal with inflation. He says inflation is too high. He maybe leavened it just a little bit today, Melissa. But really, if you look at the market pricing for rate hikes, they have a 63 percent probability, as you said. Not in July. Why not in July? Because I think Warsh is holding out for this idea that oil prices will come down, maybe take some of the edge off inflation, and maybe his tough talk brings inflation down.
9:27So that's why the market, I think, is priced not as a bet on a rate hike, but a hedge on a rate hike in September. Hey, Steve, it's Karen. Thanks for being on. So what do you think is most likely from Warsh as it relates to the balance sheet? I think he wants to bring it down over time. There's a lot of people who disagree with Kevin on this issue. He's been very consistent on it. He makes some good points. I don't want to take that away from him. But there aren't a lot of people who are sitting around and saying, I got a whole bunch of problems out there. And the balance sheet size is number one or two or three when it comes to Fed policy.
10:04Kevin kind of puts it up there and says, this is a very big issue. But right now, the balance sheet is seen by many as being kind of benign. What I heard him say today is recognizing that, remember that old parquet commercial, don't mess with Mother Nature? Don't mess with the balance sheet is kind of like central banking rule number one or two. The times that they've messed with it, Bernanke made an offhand remark. The market freaked out. I Powell brought it down a little too fast, had a bit of a repo scare there. He said today very, very clearly, I'm going to bring it down slowly, deliberately with the agreement of my of my colleagues.
10:45And what that means is they're going to be very sure that the level of reserves they put in the system is equal to or greater than the amount of reserves the banks need. So we don't have a major financial hiccup.
11:00Karen Finerman:Steve, it's Tim. By the way, you're dating yourself on that Parquet commercial. I think it was in the 70s, although the fact that I know it also— How can I help him? Look at his face. How can I not date myself? How can I not date myself? Is that margarine? What is the Parquet? Yeah, it's margarine versus butter. I'm not hiding from anything. It was pretty good, and they were scary commercials. But I guess what's not scary is, do you think we have— I mean, we love listening to you. You're always very smart on the Fed. And are we going to be talking less about the Fed? is is is Warsh bringing it back.
11:30Karen Finerman:And I mean, we know he wants to bring the Fed, you know, less out there in terms of transparency. But let's be clear. I mean, Fed policy, wordsmithing every every report. And does it matter, I guess, is what it comes down to. Well, I think you answer your question with the last comment you make, Tim. I think we're going to talk about the Fed as much as it matters. There are times when the Fed it matters less. When earnings come in 20 % above and you guys aren't asking me what's the Fed going to do because you're looking at earnings and earnings are trumping everything. And whoever earlier said this notion that AI investment doesn't care one whit what the Fed does is probably 100 % right.
12:12So that's not going to be a factor. If the Fed were to be less powerful, markets would care less about the Fed. I think that's a flaw in Warsh's thinking because all that means is if If Warsh doesn't give you what you need, well, guess what? Chris Waller and any one of the Fed's credits will become more significant. So I think that Warsh is going to be involved in the forward guidance game. He's going to tell us what he thinks. He's going to guide markets. And the only thing that will take attention off the Fed is if somehow it's less powerful. And I don't see that happening. Speaking of guidance and communication, Steve, he did say that there would be more news about the task force probably next week and then also announced that Mervyn King was going to head up the task force on Fed communication.
13:01Can you give us sort of what the significance of appointing somebody who is at the Bank of England to this task force is? So just just to be clear, that was a Bloomberg report on that. We have not been able to confirm it. I suspect it's right. We've reached out to Mervyn King's office. We reached out to the Fed, got no comment. I suspect that's right. And it's very interesting because if you may not remember this, I'll date myself one more time. Kevin Warsh in 2014 was asked by then Bank of England Governor Mark Carney to do a review of the Bank of England's communications. And he did that. And one of the things he came up with, you don't need to meet 12 times a year.
13:41You can meet eight times a year and you can do better and less communication. So that's one of the right answers, I think, to Tim's comment right there. There'll be good communications, but maybe not as much of it. So that's for sure. And it's not been traditional for the Fed to go outside, even though it's traditional for places like the Bank of England to go outside. I think this will be an interesting process where we'll get a review of communications from somebody not in the system. The flaw on that or the potential downside is Warsh was clear that members of the committee will not be part of the task forces.
14:18So that means it might be more difficult for him to get buy-in on the task force's recommendations. But talking about the Fed less, we're going to be talking about these task forces a whole lot. Yeah, and there's a bunch of them. Steve, thank you. Always great to see you, Steve Leisman. My pleasure. I have a busy day tomorrow with the jobs report being released. I mean, less communication, even if it's better communication. But we I mean, we're so used to somebody from the Fed talking like every other week. I'm exaggerating. But I would think this is more volatility for all sorts of assets. It could be.
14:49But I think Steve makes the point is that if Worsh doesn't say anything, then he just gets communicated out of the room by everybody else who's willing to communicate. So I think to some extent he's forced to come in there. I think, you know, the key thing that I was impressed with Worsh at the first press conference is he wants to take the Fed away from trying to dial up financial conditions and manage the markets actively. And he believes that that sort of dampens the wisdom of the crowd that you get from the markets. And I think that would be very healthy for them not to think they can just turn the dial a quarter of a turn and it does all these things.
15:22So to me, that'll be the big thing. What does that mean? I think Fed communicating less means the reported data matters all that much more. So days like tomorrow become more important. Yeah, I'm not buying that it means more volatility either, actually, because I think if we have someone come out every week, that could cause some sort of volatility one way or another every single week, as opposed to waiting for between, you know, however long it is. And let's say they only announced once a quarter. That was the only communication we had. And then the rest of the time, to your point, we just have to look at all the other data.
15:53So I'm not really buying that it creates volatility, the fewer. let's say the way we're to announce every hour. I mean, what good would that do? So somewhere along the spectrum is the right cadence of how often you should do it.
16:10Karen Finerman:A question. Sorry. No, no, go ahead. Well, a question we can't answer, but this gets back to the ethos of where Kevin Walsh is trying to go. This is a guy I remember came into the Fed and had some really prominent work during the financial crisis when things like Operation Twist and TARP and all this other stuff were, you know, terms, acronym central was created. Where would we be without more Fed in our markets today? We can't get that answer. But Kevin Walsh wants less Fed. And you can't tell me that the more Fed that we've had hasn't been equity positive. So, you know, on the margin, I think Kevin Walsh is not as good for equities as the preceding couple Fed chairman.
16:51Karen Finerman:It doesn't mean that it has anything to do to change the economic dynamics of what's going on in the world. But you can't tell me that not only since the financial crisis, but you could go all the way back to the tequila crisis and say we've had more Fed in the markets in the last 30 years and 40 years than we ever had before that. And Kevin Warsh is from that old school, which says less Fed. Meanwhile, shares of Nike jumping almost 5 percent today comes on the back of a quarterly earnings report that sent the stock tumbling after hours yesterday during our show. Nike was down more than 10 percent at its lows.
17:22But today, Nike is the Dow's best performing stock. So is the rebound a sign Nike could be coming off the bat? We should note this is also on very heavy volume was 280 percent of the average daily volume in Nike shares your shareholder.
17:36Karen Finerman:So it's pretty cool to have this conversation tonight after the conversation we had last night because the numbers weren't that bad. And then we watched this thing cascade lower and we were waiting for the guide. But I think we got into a low 37 handle so you can do the math at this point. And I mean, this is a 15 percent move or more on the intraday low to the after markets. And what's causing it? Well, actually, I mean, I think the response is that, you know, whether this was the bottom boy, the markets told you that the price reaction, the volume today, I'm not going to make that call because I just don't want to make that call.
18:09Karen Finerman:But it does feel like there is a there is progress with the core business. There is progress with China. I know that that's those are big question marks that could still be there. The biggest issues for Nike, and I said this last night, I'll stand by it, I think are macro. They're not Nike. It's that the sportswear business, it's that the Jordan streetwear business. I mean, these things are saturated. People don't need more of this stuff. I think Nike's core footwear business is fine. It's got a lot of competition, maybe more than ever, but they're the top dog. So I don't think you're chasing Nike by nibbling here.
18:42Props to Dan, by the way. Nike was his final trade. He said maybe it's so bad it's good, and at least for today. Mr. Sun. The guy who's always so bullish. He was down on everything, was actually up on Nike, and here we are. Bonwin, your thoughts on Nike? Yeah, they tried to press—the shorts seemed like they really tried to press it after hours. You saw that reversal at the earlier point. Again, it's tough to call a bottom, but you do see some glimpses of hope. You know, you still want to scrutinize the DTC and the margins, and it seems like this turnaround is going to be a little bit more protracted than analysts had initially assumed.
19:15But again, that short capitulation, I'm not sure how much of this is new insurance and how much of this is short covering and making sure that you're not you're not caught off sides on this trade. But I do think that short covering capitulation is the first step towards, you know, more positive price action going forward. What do you think, Karen? Well, I'm out. I've been out for a little while. Not price is much different than here. I sort of moved on, you know. I just feel like I spent so much time on the name. It didn't work out. It's a great company. But I agree with Tim's bigger point about macro and macro-athletic.
19:53You know, one thing, I do own Gap, which has had a really rough go in the last two months. I think they should just spin off Athleta, sell it, whatever they can do. It's tiny, but part of it is the tail wagging the dog. The rest of the businesses are doing, some of them are doing better. It's a distraction. Coming up, Meta with its head in the clouds, but it is boosting the stock in a big way. The company is pushing to the cloud business as AI compute piles up. Plus, the firm's payment popped. The stock's surging off of its March lows, but can shares continue to climb? We'll debate that. Don't go anywhere.
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22:13Julia. Well, Melissa, sources confirm that Meta is working to build out this AI cloud infrastructure business. But this should not be a surprise since Mark Zuckerberg first talked about this last year in October. And then he talked about it again in a little bit more detail at Meta's annual shareholder meeting, which was in May, when he said, quote, it's definitely on the table almost every week. There are different companies that come to us from outside asking us to both stand up an API service or asking if we have compute that they could buy from us at some premium to what we've bought it at.
22:49Zuckerberg laid the groundwork for this kind of business when he appointed Dina Powell-McCormick as the company's president and co-head of its new Meta Compute division. Meta would be with this kind of business, challenging Amazon, Microsoft, and Google's AI cloud businesses, while selling raw compute would rival AI cloud companies, including CoreWeave and Nebius Group. You see both of those stocks traded dramatically lower today. And for Meta and its gains on the news today, nearly 9 percent, some analysts are bullish on this creating a new revenue stream for Meta, but Truist warns that heading in today, some argued that this would actually be a bearish signal for Meta, as it would imply that their AI projects have not lived up to high expectations.
23:36So this is a bit of a pivot to address that and to deal with all that compute. Melissa? Karen's got a question. Yeah, Julia. Hi, thanks for being on. Here's a question. A couple of days ago, Google said they're capping Meta's Gemini AI due to demand strains. And so I was wondering, all right, did Meta, was that trying to get more, were they trying to get more capacity at Google price, whatever that is, that they could sell for what I assume is a higher price here? Is that what that was about? I don't think that's necessarily what that's about, because this business has not launched yet. This is still very much in the works and in process, and it's unclear when Meta would actually be able to launch this.
24:17I think that right now Meta is deploying, as it prepares to deploy its own offering in the market, is utilizing Google's tools to improve its own AI systems. So remember, Meta has tons of engineers who are using all sorts of AI tools and all sorts of AI compute, and they've been investing in infrastructure, which are really long-term investments, many of them long-term investments. Meta is going to be spending as much as$145 billion on capital expenditures this year. So a lot of this infrastructure play is a long-term one that hasn't actually happened yet. All right. Julia, thank you. Julia Boorstin, what this also tells you is that there's not going to be any abating in terms of the level of CapEx, I would think, if they can fund it in some way.
25:05Well, I just want to add, I do, I know Mike said it on your earlier show about is this really a signal of Meadow recognizing, all right, we need some financial restraint or something like that. I think that's a much bigger message. I think that that, you know, we want to see cash flow here. Right. And so this giant CapEx that we talked about that is just enormous. If they can address that with something that improves cash flow, your glass half full on this. I am because there is a big glass half empty. There is way to look at this whole thing. Well, if the glass half empty gets you to at some point them saying, you know what, we're not going to be spending this much CapEx in the future.
25:45But for now, if they're pulling in whatever it is, a billion a month or whatever the run rate of the business is, for that long, they can spend that much on CapEx also.
25:53Karen Finerman:This isn't the year of efficiency and meta part two. This is, first of all, this makes total sense with their AI ambitions. They're not stepping away from AI. This to me is just about optimizing and ROIC. This is really, you know, I think it's a bigger headline, actually, than it may be, although, you know, strategically, it is a new revenue line. And if anything, it's like, hey, and I'm looking at Jeffrey's report here. They say, you know, Meta's gate crashing the hyperscaler club. So it's really more look out the other four. I don't think this is a core business. I do think it's exactly what he just said.
26:25Karen Finerman:And if you think that they don't have capacity and ability to mark this up and improve ROIC, I think you're crazy. So I'd be happy with your 8 % move today. I don't know that this changes the narrative in the short run, but I think it's my glass is half full. Yeah. How are you feeling on the hyperscalers in general? I mean, look, I think you take away from this the bottlenecks are real and they're really long and they're not going anywhere and you have to own them. And these companies are trying to get really creative about how to deal with it. So if anything, to me, it just kind of reiterates, at least for the next, I don't know, 12, 24, 36 months, these bottlenecks are hard to resolve.
26:57I mean, our folks have U.S. public spending on CapEx at a trillion dollars next year. a trillion and a half out to 2030. And you'd have to argue the risks are to the upside to those numbers. So the bottlenecks are real. The spending is happening. People are getting creative with how to deal with them. And I think that just means pick your favorite bottleneck. We like PowerGen, but pick your favorite bottleneck and on it. I mean, it's another player, though, with supply into this bottleneck. And yet the other hyperskillers, to your point earlier on our conference call, they went higher today. I mean, you saw Nebius and Corwe go down on that front in terms of sort of the commodity aspect of cloud compute.
27:33But for the hyperscalers, it's not seen as a threat in any fashion. Not this particular thing. I mean, what's happened to the hyperscalers recently is this idea of the price of tokens and how much that's fallen. So you want a different bottleneck. You can start at TSMC and ASML and work your way down. Somewhere along the line, I think the bottlenecks are good to own. I don't own any micron, though.
27:58Karen Finerman:I wanted to do a segment on Stu's PowerGen bottleneck picks. I mean, that sounds interesting. Yeah, we should deliver that. We take requests. Coming up, permanent focus as a payment player doubles off its 52-week low. Can shares keep charging higher? We'll debate that straight ahead. You're watching Fast Money Live from the NASDAQ Market Site in steamy Times Square, 100 degrees here. Back right after this.
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29:13Welcome back to Fast Money. Our firm shares climbing back to their January highs. The fintech company surging nearly 100 % off their 52-week low in March. analysts at Citi hiking price target on the stock to$115 from$100. Karen, you flagged this. You're in this one. Yes. I mean, it's been kind of a wild ride. In many ways, it mirrors some of the other ones we've looked at, sort of credit cards, which I know this is different. They don't carry the debt. A firm does carry some and not others, and it sells securities to hedge funds and to have more money to lend. So I like it, though. So I like, I think the oil price coming down is very good for the consumer.
29:54I also think it's just, I mean, this is a popular way to buy now. And for the, you know, every two-week payment, two-week payments, four of them, where there isn't interest, I think that's just a smarter way for some people to manage their payments. And so I like the space. It was here at the beginning of the year and went all the way down to 42. Now it's back up to the very beginning as if nothing has happened at all. And yet I'm still long. I do like it, though. But this is not nearly as cheap as it was. Bonoan? Yeah, it feels a little stretched. I mean, when you have essentially a 50 percent drawdown and then a beat and raise, I mean, they came out with pretty strong operating margins, I believe, just south of 30 percent.
30:36I think it sets up for the type of price action that they've had. So there's not very much for me to argue there. It's really now at this point in time that it's recaptured essentially all of that round trip. Is it worth, you know, investing the incremental dollar? And I do question that. The Ford P.E. is one thing. The other is, I believe, Walmart switched from Affirm to Klarna. And so I just start to question some of those vendor relationships and whether or not that might be the canary in the coal mine in terms of those not necessarily being as strong as bulls might argue. All right. Coming up, stocks ready for royalty.
31:12The company is being deemed dividend kings after hiking pants for more than 50 years. The names are traders are igniting when Fast Money returns.
31:40Welcome back to Fast Money. Stocks kicking off the second half in the red. The Dow hitting a fresh all-time high in today's session, but ending the day virtually flat. The S &P with a small loss down about a quarter of a percent. And the Nasdaq falling more than half a percent. But the S &P and Nasdaq both pacing for their best weeks since gold started in July with a gain of 1%. I think we're missing a word there. But still down nearly 6 % for the year. Crude oil settling below$69 a barrel. WTI is still up nearly 20 % in 2026. Meantime, hear ye, hear ye. All rise for the dividend kings. Where are the dividend kings?
32:18Well, these are stocks that Barron's recently highlighted as companies that have raised their annual dividends every year for at least the last 50, 5-0, that is right, 50 years. There are more than 50 companies that made the list, including Procter & Gamble, Lowe's, Coca-Cola, and Altria. So we thought we'd ask for traders who they would crown as their dividend king. Karen, start us off. And I know that you guys don't necessarily invest for dividends. OK. But this is just sort of an interesting screen in terms of who can continue raising the dividend for that long. Well, OK. As you prefaced it, yeah, the dividend was really, really, really the tail wagging the dog.
32:58Still an impressive. You can do anything for 50 years in a row. Yeah, that is impressive. But to me, in the short term, it is fast money after all. I chose Lowe's. And the reason is I do think the housing bill will pass. And I know it won't be a quick fix to get so much more new supply. But I do think the market's reaction to if that happens and the expectation of more and more homes being so. This is great for a Home Depot and a Lowe's. So Lowe's. 65 years of dividend increases for Lowe's. I didn't even know Lowe's was here for 65 years. I know. It's fascinating. It's a fascinating list here.
33:35Bonwin, who is your king? My king is Johnny John. And really, the quick explanation is, if I am going to be deploying capital for dividends, my primary concern is making sure that that dividend is, in fact, going to remain intact. So I'm not looking at based on valuation. I'm not looking based on growth metrics, things of that. Clearly, you do get a mid-teen compounder here. But it's a diversified med tech and pharma company that has diversified revenue streams. It's a massive, large cap in a ton of portfolios. And quite frankly, a lot of health care is underweighted within the portfolio. So it's slow, boring, if you will.
34:14But I'm not worried about this dividend going away. And if I'm going to invest for the dividend, I want to make sure it's there tomorrow. It actually hit a fresh all-time high just yesterday. I mean, Tim, you were talking about a lot of the clouds clearing off of Johnson & Johnson.
34:27Karen Finerman:I'm with this Johnny John. Good for you, by the way. Nice call. I'm fired. Stuart, do you have a king or what's your theory about? I'm going to say, similar to what I want to say, I think if I'm going to invest in this right now, I'm invested in dividends. I think they're going to grow. And frankly, you know, I'd probably go into utilities. You know, I mentioned PowerGen before. You're getting the dividend. You're probably going to get some, you know, some ROE type expansion, you know, for that part of the market related to PowerGen and the AI build out. So I didn't see any utilities on that list.
34:56But I think that type of story where I'm getting a little juice from the prevailing theme in the market, plus I'm clipping a div of, I think, about 2.7 percent for that sector, I think makes a lot of sense. That's not bad.
35:06Karen Finerman:Tim, your king? Altria. Altria has been my king for a long time. And it feels like a utility. And it also feels like all we do is talk about the decline of the cigarette industry. And all they do is continue to talk about less of a decline than you thought and price realization that changes and ultimately a multiple that around 12 times forward paying almost a 6 percent dividend yield. Not the reason to go buy a stock, but it is a reason why I own this company that I think has very predictable earning stream. And I'm I'm seeing anywhere from kind of two to six percent EPS growth over the last five years.
35:39Karen Finerman:And I think that's kind of where they're modeling out. So I like this name a lot. I think they've done very interesting things with how to invest some of their non-cigarette cash as well. And I feel great about this, Div. Coming up, a new bull call on strategy as a Bitcoin proxy looks to bounce back after its brutal June drop. The analyst thinks there could be a 500 percent increase in current levels. He'll join us next when Fast Money returns.
36:18Welcome back to Fast Money Strategy. Catching a bid today, bouncing 7%, though it's lost more than a third of its value over the past month. Earlier this week, the Bitcoin Treasury unveiled its digital credit capital framework, giving it more flexibility to manage its balance sheet amid crypto volatility. It's a move which has our next guest doubling down on his bull case for the stock. Mark Palmer is a senior analyst at Benchmark StoneX. He's got a buy rating and a A street high price target of$570 a share. Mark, great to have you with us. Thanks for having me. $570 seems nuts from where the stock is right now.
36:51So how do you see getting there? It's really not all that difficult. Now, part of that, of course, we do need to see some appreciation in the price of Bitcoin. Right. That goes without saying. But strategy's capital structure is set up so that if we do see a move, let's say from 60K to 95K at the end of this year, then we're going to be well on the way to achieving the price target that I lay it out. Why is that? Because strategy is effectively a levered play on Bitcoin for good or ill. And I think what we've seen of late has been for ill. But that can switch very quickly, either due to improving macro conditions, ones that are more conducive to Bitcoin's price being higher, or regulatory changes.
37:36We still have the Clarity Act, which would create a regulatory framework for crypto in the U.S. before the U.S. Senate still has to come to a vote. But if that vote does occur and there's a possibility it could happen in July, we could see a real boost for Bitcoin and by extension for strategy. Thanks. Thanks for being on. I'm not a not a Bitcoin bear. I've been along for a long time. But to get to address your 570, how much of that is a NAV appreciation that, you know, has changed dramatically? It's not so much an NAV appreciation at this point. The reality is the premium. I'm sorry, the premium.
38:15Again, you know, it's not really about, you know, because when you look at the way in which digital asset treasury companies are measured, it's typically on what's known as MNAV, which is a multiple of the net asset value. Right now, strategy is down at about 1.07 in that measure. I am not expecting that MNAV itself is going to be the driver. If the price of Bitcoin were to appreciate, then the company's existing Bitcoin holdings would be the driver. So strategy is just in a remarkably strong position if we were to see an increase in the price of Bitcoin. The moves that the company made earlier this week should alleviate some of the concerns about its capital strategy, particularly with regard to stretch, which is the perpetual preferred stock that it is using as the primary means to raise capital to buy more Bitcoin.
39:13So bringing confidence back to that instrument, particularly by addressing investor concerns, they pump the dividend rate on that instrument from 11.5 % to 12%. More importantly, they ring fenced the cash that has been set aside, a cash reserve specifically to address the dividends on that instrument. So if you're buying it for 12 percent yield, that's great. As long as you're comfortable that those dividends are going to be paid. Now, those investors can be more comfortable that they will be because the cash has been set aside and ring fenced.
39:47Karen Finerman:Hey, Mark, I guess part of this for me is I really don't feel like I'm smart enough to understand this because it just seems simple. there's asymmetric risk for strategy. If Bitcoin goes to 90 ,000, that's great. So I own a levered Bitcoin. But what happens if Bitcoin goes to 40 ,000? So, I mean, to me, I'm just trying to understand where there's more upside on a 30 % upside or more downside on a 30 % downside. So it just seems to me, again, the leverage inherent in their balance sheet scares me more now than ever rather than the upside of an upside moving Bitcoin. Yeah, I think the concept of being scared by strategy, I think, is a lot of the reason why the company rolled out the plan that they did.
40:29Again, part of it was about addressing investor concerns as it pertains to the stretch preferred in particular. But you also saw the last three parts of that plan. One was giving the company the flexibility to buy back stretch. If they've got a billion dollars, they can buy that back to support its price. They've got a billion dollars set aside now where they could buy back or authorized where they could buy back their common stock. And finally, the company for the first time has officially made it the company's policy that it can sell up to one point two five billion of Bitcoin if it needs to to support its corporate activities.
41:11So what you see, I think, is strategy maturing as a company, evolving as a company, and putting itself in a position that if you do see declines in the price of Bitcoin, the company doesn't have to just sit there and absorb the impact of that. It can actually take corporate actions that will put it in better position and ultimately put shareholders in a better position. Where are we in terms of the average price of Bitcoin that strategy has bought at? Yeah, we're underwater right now, just the tune of something like$16 billion. What I think is crucially important, though, is that the price of Bitcoin would have to drop to something around$8 ,000 and stay there for an extended period of time before the company would be in any, quote unquote, trouble in terms of being able to address its obligations.
42:02So what you have is a tremendous amount of optionality that's been preserved simply because the company has so much Bitcoin that it can dip into if it needs to. And it also has all of these other tools that its board recently authorized. I mean, that's a fundamental case. I mean, dipping down to 8 ,000, but there's going to be a lot of pain in the stock well before 8 ,000 is reached. Well, that's an extreme case. You know, I'm addressing the extreme case. We're now to a point where anyone who's looking at these instruments is going to want to understand their downside before they look at their upside.
42:32The upside could take care of itself in terms of, you know, a Bitcoin appreciation. Again, we could see a legislative catalyst with the Clarity Act. So what people want to understand, though, is, you know, is this, you know, we've heard people say, is this another Terra Luna type of situation where you saw the collapse of an algorithmic stablecoin back in May of 2022? Luna went to zero. Right. You know, as I have said, you know, comparing strategy to Terra Luna is like comparing lightning to a lightning bug. They are completely different. Strategy has real assets supporting its instruments and ultimately supporting its stock.
43:10And that can translate into as much liquidity as they need. What are we talking about? The company has 51 billion in value in its Bitcoin holdings. Its annual dividend obligation is about 1.76 billion. So, you know, what are we talking about? They've got$2.6 billion or so of cash sitting there specifically to address dividend obligations. And if they needed to, they could sell some Bitcoin to keep doing that. That is not a story of a company that's going to zero. That's a story of a company that's preserving optionality. Mark, great to speak with you. Thank you. Of course. Coming up, what is wrong with Walmart?
43:47The big box retailer getting hit today, continuing its recent drop. The next move for that stock when Fast Money returns.
44:01Welcome back to Fast Money. Walmart closing out the day down nearly 4 percent. The stock posting a six straight day of losses down nearly 9 percent of that time, falling more than 18 percent since its peak this year in May. What happened, Karen? What do you think? What do I think? I think the main thing that happened, it was too expensive. That is a big thing. So in the 140 range and I'm long, I've been long for a really long time, including, you know, If you went home long, it's the same as bought at the closing price. So this is a really big move down. Tim's team, the T and Tim's Timbo target doing very nicely.
44:36I don't know. I do like Walmart. I think they're doing all the right things. I think the valuation part was the overwhelming problem. I do still think there's they're very well positioned, no matter how the customer does. Bonoan. Yeah, I mean, I tend to agree with Karen. I mean, I think it's a great stock. I mean, if you look at, you know, some of their Walmart plus businesses. The issue is that higher margin segment still doesn't make up the bulk of their revenue. And then you have some of the tariff overhang. But all of that aside, I really think when it was at 47, 48 times forward, it's just tough for a name that doesn't grow at 20 percent and that has a beta that's relatively muted.
45:14So I think this is more of a price reset as opposed to a significant sell off. And I'd likely be looking for a reentry point around here?
45:23Karen Finerman:It's hard to argue with the valuation because everything else Walmart's done, they've made a lot of investment in their technology. It is a margin expansion story. Therefore, it's a multiple expansion story. But it had that. I think there's rotation. I think people absolutely were buying Target. I think they absolutely were rotating back into some home improvement. There's a lot of crossover there. Home Depot got really cheap. I think there's nothing wrong with Walmart other than that move. Up next, Final Trades.
45:52Final trade time. Bonwin. JP Morgan. Stu.
45:58Karen Finerman:Angaro XHP. Timbo. Let's go USA men's soccer tonight. Nice. Let's go Altria. Karen. Yes. So, okay, I'm not on the opposite side of where Bonwin is on JP Morgan. I do like JP Morgan. However, running up into earnings with JP Morgan is never something that I like. So I'm selling JP Morgan upside call. All right. Mad Money with Tim Kramer starts right now.
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Stocks kicking off the second half in the red after the Dow touched a fresh record high in the session. Why tomorrow’s June jobs report could mean good news for the economy, but bad news for markets as investors await the Fed’s next rate decision. Then, Strategy sees big gains after announcing its new approach with bitcoin. Benchmark senior analyst Mark Palmer lays out what this means for the bitcoin holder, and why he sees the stock surging nearly 500%. Plus, Meta’s cloud business ventures, Walmart’s rough few months, and top dividend kings.
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