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Podcast Notes: CNBC's "Fast Money" Episode Title: Meta And Microsoft Earnings Roll In, GDP Drops, And Tariff Impact On Retail (04/30/25) Host: Melissa Lee Guests: Steve Grasso, Karen Feinerman, Dan Nathan, Guy Adami, Gene Munster (Deepwater Asset Management), Dana Telsey (Telsey Advisory Group)
Episode Summary This episode covers several key financial events surrounding the earnings reports of major tech companies like Meta and Microsoft, a surprising drop in GDP, and the implications of tariff changes on the retail sector. The discussion also touches on a range of other stocks and market conditions affecting investors.
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Key Topics Discussed
Earnings Reports
- Microsoft
- Earnings Per Share (EPS): $3.46, beating estimates by 24 cents.
- Revenue: $70.07 billion, a 13% year-over-year increase.
- Significant growth in Azure (cloud services): 33% year-over-year, with 16 percentage points attributed to AI.
- Guidance focus: Economic uncertainty impacts on cloud spending and capital expenditure (CapEx).
- Meta
- Beat expectations on both earnings and revenue.
- CEO Mark Zuckerberg stressed the importance of AI in their strategy.
- Increased CapEx for 2025 to $64-$72 billion to support AI initiatives.
- Margins exceeded expectations (41% vs. 37% estimate), aided by a 10% growth in ad prices.
- Qualcomm and Robinhood
- Qualcomm saw stock pressure despite a top-and-bottom line beat, citing concerns over guidance influenced by tariffs.
- Robinhood reported record net deposits driven by strong trading, particularly in crypto and options, with an earnings per share growth of over 100%.
Economic Indicators
- GDP Data
- The U.S. economy unexpectedly contracted, with a GDP drop raising concerns of stagflation.
- Inflation rose to 3.6%, impacting market reactions and resulting in a sell-off earlier in the day.
Tariff Impacts on Retail
- Dana Telsey Insights
- Retailers are beginning to pass price increases onto consumers due to tariffs, with specific items like luxury goods seeing price hikes.
- Retailers like TJX and Walmart are expected to continue performing well amid these changes.
- Discussed the fragility of the retail environment amid economic uncertainty.
Stock Market Reactions
- General Market Trends
- Discussed stocks rallying later in the day, with the Dow and S&P closing in the green.
- Concerns over how upcoming job numbers could influence Fed actions and market stability.
Starbucks Performance
- Starbucks Disappointment
- Shares fell 7% following weaker-than-expected earnings and a drop in same-store sales.
- CEO Brian Nickel emphasized a focus on long-term turnaround plans despite current challenges.
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Key Takeaways
- The earnings reports from Microsoft and Meta were generally better than feared, providing some relief to investors amidst economic uncertainty.
- The retail sector is navigating price increases due to tariffs, with some companies poised for better performance than others.
- Market reactions appear volatile, influenced by macroeconomic indicators and upcoming job data.
- There is a cautious optimism about AI's impact on the tech sector, particularly concerning investment in infrastructure to leverage these technologies.
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Final Thoughts The discussions from the episode reflect a blend of positive earnings news amid broader economic concerns. The panel conveyed cautious optimism, especially regarding technology companies making significant strides in AI, while also highlighting the potential pitfalls in the retail sector due to pricing pressures from tariffs and economic conditions.
Next Steps: The episode encourages listeners to stay informed about upcoming earnings calls, market trends, and macroeconomic indicators.
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Automatic transcript. May contain errors.0:02Live from the Nasdaq market site in the heart of New York City's Times Square, this is Fast Money. Here's what's on tap tonight. A massive night of earnings. Microsoft, Meta, Qualcomm, and Robinhood. Just some of the names reporting in the last hour. We'll go inside the numbers, give you the latest headlines from the calls. Plus, tracking prices. A new report detailing how retailers from mass market to haute couture are handling tariffs. Just how much should you expect price tags to increase? And decaffeinated shares of Starbucks hitting their lowest level since Brian Nichols was announced as CEO.
0:31Can the turnaround specialists perk things back up? or are there more jitters ahead? I'm Melissa Lee coming to you live from Studio B at the NASDAQ. On the desk tonight, Steve Grasso, Karen Feinerman, Dan Nathan, and Guy Adami. And we start off with a supersized slate of earnings tonight. Meta and Microsoft higher after their prints, while Qualcomm and Robinhood are both moving lower on their results. Full team coverage on the reports, Kate Rooney on Robinhood, Pippa Stevens on Qualcomm, Julia Borson tracking Meta. But we start off with Steve Kovach at Microsoft. The call kicking off in less than 30 minutes' time.
1:00Steve. Hey, Melissa. So, yeah, ahead of that call, we got some solid beats here with Microsoft's report, with Azure growth being the real standout. First of all, you got EPS beating by 24 cents,$3.46 a share, and revenue a beat as well,$70.07 billion, up 13 % from the year-ago quarter. And then there's Azure, of course, that big bright spot in the report that's sending shares up 6%, growing 33 % year-over-year, beating expectations of 30 % growth. And within that Azure growth number, 16 percentage points of that growth came from artificial intelligence. That's up from the 13 % a quarter ago. We just see that continue to climb and take up a bigger chunk overall of the total Azure growth.
1:44So that is the old news, the new news coming up on the call at 530. Here's what you should be watching for. First of all, guidance on Azure cloud growth. Given all this economic uncertainty we're talking about, we might see Microsoft work with customers like they did back in 2022 to save cloud computing costs. That, of course, hurts the growth rate of Azure. And then there's CapEx. We just heard Meta is raising its AI CapEx for the year, and we know Microsoft has been pulling back in recent months. So we'll be paying attention to CFO Amy Hood's guidance on what CapEx will look like in the fiscal year, which beyond the fiscal year, rather, that ends in June, Melissa.
2:21All right, Steve, thanks. Keep us posted that call again. 28 minutes time will get underway. Looks good right now. Things could change dramatically in a half an hour when that call starts, when we get that guidance. Guy, what do you make of the quarter? It often does. But, I mean, I think people, collective sigh of relief, Azure growth, half of the growth is AI, good for them. This level now, 419, 420, gets us back to where we sort of fell off the cliff from back on February 20th or so. But back of the envelope, you do all the math, and, yes, it's a nice little move off that recent low we saw a couple weeks ago.
2:49So, you know, you solve a company just regardless of what they say, trading close to 29 times next year's numbers, which is cheaper than it's been, but expensive historically. You know, it's interesting when Google reported on Thursday afternoon, there were things that you could pick out a little bit. But, you know, the stock was trading higher, 5 percent in the aftermarket. I think a lot of that had to do probably with low expectations here. I think you could say the same thing for Microsoft. I think that everyone's focused on that Azure growth. Again, let's see what the guidance is. I'd also mention that, you know, a lot of the story leading up to the core weave, you know, IPO, I want to say last month or so, was that Microsoft was canceling some data center leases.
3:24I wonder if they were moving some workloads, you know what I mean, or they basically had more capacity on Azure for that 50 % of their business that is AI. So that could be really interesting. I guess the most important thing on the Q &A is, like, what sort of uptake are they getting for their, like, AI agents, for Copilot and the like that they're putting out there? Because that's a really important part of it as you think about this story broadening out. So, again, I don't think there's anything to kind of knock right now. I think it's right where Dan left off. There's nothing to knock right now.
3:53This sort of gives a soothing sense to the overall market that it's not as bad as we thought. Whether the spend is still there. Matter, we're going to hear about ad spend. The price target on Microsoft, the consensus price target is, I think,$495. So we've got about 20 % more to the upside there. If they continue to spend, the market's OK. Market is 40 % made up of the large cap tech names. So I'm most interested. We heard that they were cutting back on data centers. Data centers was 88 % of NVIDIA's revenue last year. Are they doing it for real? And how much impact is going to be on NVIDIA? Most important thing.
4:36Could you see Nvidia stock move down, as I've been thinking? Nvidia has been blessed with the overall rally in the market. It's dipped off that$90 basically support level. But there is a thesis where Nvidia can make less money and the others make more money. And I don't think anyone's priced that in. Where the market's still OK, but Nvidia suffers, it's pulled out. You're reading through. And the other read through will be probably coming on the conference call. any sort of commentary on enterprise, you know, right? I mean. It was good. Well, are you talking about, well, Dynamics 365, which is their ERP, which competes with the Salesforce and Oracle, that was a nice beat.
5:17And if you look, Salesforce is up nicely in the aftermarket. So, you know, we talked about with Alphabet, was it better than feared? This was dramatically, I thought, better than feared. Better than feared, yeah. Yeah. And so, you know, that Azure growth we talked about, that was significantly better than feared, I think. Yeah, I mean, that was what bombed the stock in the last earnings report. I mean, the bulls would have said going into this report, into the Microsoft report, that it was very much de-risked in terms of the story because of the decline from that quarter in terms of Azure. The bar was much lower in terms of expectations.
5:49The bar was much lower, exactly right. And if you go longer term, I mean, it's still important, I think, to point out that, you know, this is a good quarter. Back to where I pointed out we were in February. But this was a stock that topped out in July of last year on a broader market until the last month or so that's done extraordinarily well. So I think finally valuation just sort of caught up. And despite the quarter, despite the growth, I mean, anything north of 25 times for Microsoft is historically pretty expensive. Now you could say, you know, they've shifted their business. They deserve a premium multiple.
6:19Maybe, but it is expensive. And back when it did top out in July of 2024, it was a$468 stock when it topped out with consensus, as I said, up to$500 now,$495. So people are just throwing that out the window and thinking there are better times ahead, which is unique from everything that we've seen in the last two months. All right. So the stock is up almost 6 % in the after-hour session. Again, the conference call gets underway 24 minutes' time. Meantime, let's get to Meta. Shares are surging after the company posted a top-and-a-bottom-line beat. The conference call kicked off at the top of the hour.
6:49Julie Borson's got the details. Hey, Julia. That's right. Mark Zuckerberg kicking off the call just moments ago, saying that the company is well positioned to navigate macroeconomic uncertainty and that the major theme for Meta is how AI is transforming everything they do. That's why he says they're increasing their investments in AI to pursue five major opportunities. Improved ads, more engaging experiences, business messaging, Meta AI and AI devices. Now, to fund that, Meta is increasing its fiscal 2025 CapEx to a range of$64 billion to$72 billion, up from a prior outlook of$60 to$65 billion.
7:26Saying, quote, this updated outlook reflects additional data center investments to support our artificial intelligence efforts, as well as an increase in the expected cost of infrastructure hardware. Now, in terms of Metascore's business, 41 % margins far exceeded the 37 % street account estimate, and that was driven in part by a 10 % increase in ad prices from a year ago. The call is ongoing. We're going to be listening closely for any indication from Zuckerberg about economic uncertainty impacting ads and particularly what they're expecting out of China. Back over to you, Melissa. All right, Julia, thank you.
8:03Julia Borsten. Karen, a lot to like here. A lot to like, yeah. I mean, they beat on so many metrics that operating income. That was a really big beat. Julia touched on the 10 percent growth in ads. If you want to nitpick at something, it would be the 5 percent ad growth where the street was expecting a little bit higher than that. The CapEx actually for this quarter was a little bit down versus consensus. But we know we think it will be up. You know, I'm always afraid to get too excited because they have that call starting just a few minutes ago. Sometimes they drop a bomb that we're not really expecting.
8:33But there was really a lot to like here. And I think that the stock had sold off so much since the last quarter that the risk reward was pretty compelling going in. I'm actually surprised it's not a little bit higher. Does the raise in the CapEx midpoint range guy, sorry, I'll take it, give you some ability to let go of that AI spending is going to be down? Not yet. This is going to surprise you. I have a cynical take about this. Silver linings guy. No, yesterday, Trump saying a hostile and political act to Amazon. All of these companies that we're talking about are in the sights of regulators.
9:15We've been hearing about Google and the potential for remedies and the like. And so when I think about this and I think about commentary, I don't think for a second this is lost on these CEOs. All these CEOs who rushed down to Mar-a-Lago and gave money personally and from their companies to the inauguration. So, again, you get a shot across the bow like that yesterday and you see a company like Amazon turn about face like that, it's going to raise the antennas of Zuckerberg and of Satya and some of these other folks. Volatility in this name is unbelievable. This was north of$700. I think it was a$480 stock a couple weeks ago.
9:48You see where it's trading now. I'm with Karen on this. I mean, this quarter, theoretically, given the move that it's had up and down, I think it should be higher than this. Now, we'll see. You know, maybe it's just early. People get their footing. But this quarter suggests it should be doing better than it's doing. Same theme. They're working on a proprietary AI training chip that they're doing it with Taiwan Semi. They're not doing with NVIDIA. Last year, they made up 13 percent of NVIDIA's revenue. So if there's any pullback, whether it's incremental or exponential, it's going to affect NVIDIA.
10:21That's two companies out of the four that make up all of their revenue. One thing that's a little disappointing in my portfolio, the Google response here, right? It's up not quite what it, percent and a half, not very much. What do you think that is? I mean, is it the overhang of all the regulatory, the trial, the outcome? I guess. You would think with this Microsoft Azure numbers, it would be better. But I do think that is such an albatross of we don't know how to evaluate it. Right. The existential risk. See, Google should be trading so much better, given the quarter we just saw, given what's going on over the last 10, 15 minutes or so, given the broader market's getting on its horse a little bit, and it's not.
11:03And you wonder why that is. And maybe that existential risk that, again, to bring up Ben Wright, he's brought up a month and a half or so ago, that's what's weighing on the market right now. Meanwhile, President Trump speaking at an Investing America event. NVIDIA Jensen-Fong saw thanks to Masayoshi Son, IBM's Arvind Krishna, GE Aerospace's Larry Culp, all in attendance. We will monitor it. We'll bring you all the headlines, of course. But let's, in the meantime, check in on the markets today. Stocks staging a late-day rally that sent the Dow and the S &P into the green at the close. The two indices both now riding seven-day winning streaks.
11:32The Nasdaq slightly lower, but well off the nearly 3 percent loss it saw early in the day. The initial sell-off coming after new GDP data showed the U.S. economy unexpectedly contracted in the first quarter. Economists were expecting 0.4 percent growth. And a price index within that report found inflation accelerated to 3.6 percent, raising concerns of stagflation. Crude oil dropping on fears slower growth could lead to drop in demand. WTI settling below 60 bucks a barrel. It's lowest in over four years. And Treasury yields initially spiked as investors fear higher prices would delay rate cuts from the Fed.
12:05So how worried are you now? How much more worried, perhaps, are you now? Well, it's the inflation component. I mean, the slowdown, I mean, it's going to get messy over the next couple of quarters in terms of the pull forward. Then is there going to be demand on the back end and all those things? So I expect that. But the inflation component, I think, should startle people a little bit. And quite frankly, I'm surprised yields can go a lot higher on the back of that. So should you be worried? Yeah, if the job number comes in horribly, which it could, given all the jolts data we've seen recently, then that you just said it.
12:36I mean, there's your stagflationary environment, Mel. Well, we talked about it on the midday call about if we have a jobs number that isn't good, then I think that would give the Fed the reason to go. And maybe that's enough of a put under the market. I don't know. We talked about the Trump put. Is there the Fed put, which has been absent? So this is, you know, when we play that game, it's not would you rather. It's if you told me what it was. What would you? I still wouldn't know. I wouldn't know. I wouldn't know on a bad jobs number. Yeah, but, you know, when you look at this, the core PC has come down.
13:07It's moving in the right direction. And income has been decelerating. So I don't think that we're worried about that just yet. I am worried about jobs. And I think that dual mandate, the jobs has to take precedent. I think you're going to see inflation come down. And OPEC Plus is adding 411 ,000 barrels per day in May and probably extending that until September. That's a ton of supply on the market. They're trying to keep their market share from the U.S. suppliers. When you talk about you think inflation is coming down, you're specifically talking about energy prices, not anything else, not goods, not services.
13:44I mean, services are a problem. I think energy will come down. And I think housing, if there's they're factoring in four cuts now. So four cuts from basically people thought maybe two or maybe one or maybe none. Now, to Karen's point, maybe you have the Powell put back in. If there's going to be four cuts and they maybe start in July, I think we're still I think the market is always pricing ahead, not seeing what they see now. Yeah, I think what's different this time. I love that saying. Right. is pretty good. I just don't think anyone knows what should be done if you have a weakening jobs market, if you have an economy that is, you know, it's just kind of hanging in there.
14:21I don't think that, you know, Microsoft and Google and Meta are really reflective of the economy, right? Like, for all intents and purposes. So if you get a weak jobs number and then you have increased pressure over the weekend on Powell, that came back pretty quickly, right, over the last few weeks or so, or last few days, excuse me. I think the playbook for a weakening economy and a weakening jobs market doesn't really work right now. And Guy made this point, I want to say a few months ago, when the Fed was worried about jobs and they were worried about maybe a stagnant economy, they were less worried about inflation, they cut in September 50 basis points.
14:54And then they cut 25. And then 10-year went up. And it really didn't accelerate growth. What did we talk about the lag, the long and variable lags of monetary? I just don't know what a cut would do right now, given the uncertainty about trade, given the uncertainty, not just with China, obviously. It's always psychological, though, right? I mean, the Fed's action, like the market reaction is immediate because... Can I tell you something? I remember the second day of 2001, okay? And I know that you got to go all the way back here. And the Fed had a surprise rate cut. And there was this initial reaction where everyone panicked to buy things, to cover shorts and buy things.
15:27It did not take long for whatever that initial joel was, we were making new lows. And in many ways, you know, it could signify some sort of panic, right? And if you're doing the thing because you're going up... I think what he has to do, I understand your point and I agree with your point. I think what he has to do is he's got to stop the roll off of 35 billion of MBS mortgage backed securities off the Fed's balance sheet that puts upward pressure on mortgage rates. That's the first thing that he should do is stop that runoff and see what happens to mortgage rates. Housing is a tremendous part, a third of inflation.
16:00I don't know. I mean, I think there's so much involved in the housing side of the equation that it's very difficult to say what the Fed will do will then make people who have a 3 % mortgage move out of their homes. And you know who doesn't know how to do it? The Fed doesn't know it. No one knows how to do it. But I mean, like people have 2 % mortgages at this point. But we know, yeah, it's 60 % of people are locked into a mortgage. You own a mortgage, you don't own a home, and it's the existing home sales that are locked up right now. MBS rolling off is bona fide putting upward pressure on mortgages.
16:31But if we see the labor market start to weaken, I think people would be less confident going out to buy a house. They've been waiting for supply to come on. Maybe it does. It doesn't matter if the Fed cuts. It doesn't matter if the Fed cuts. And what happens then? Housing prices come down. What happens then? Inflation prices. If you're out of a job, are you going to buy a house? It doesn't happen that way. We're at historic low unemployment. We're talking about what's palatable for the Fed right now. Six percent unemployment is not palatable, but still, historically, six percent unemployment is pretty low.
17:03I get what you're saying. Well, people feel it, even if it's from a historically low level. I'm not being callous. I'm not being callous. I get it. But one of the things about this potential labor recession, if there is one, is that it is more white collar jobs. Right. And that because of various reasons that they sort of, you know, the blue collar jobs are still there or maybe even increasing potentially. But the white collar jobs is that, you know, percentage of those people that are buying a house, if they get concerned, then I think. Yeah, well, you're right. Prices will go down. Nobody to buy, though.
17:36Coming up, we'll keep an eye on all of the after-hours movers. Microsoft's conference call kicking off in about 10 minutes. We'll bring you all the headlines plus the details out of Qualcomm and Robinhood. Next, in a deep dive into retail, the sector adjusting to Trump's tariff policies. Just how high are prices going on clothes, toys, handbags, and more? Don't go anywhere. Fast Money's back in two. This is Fast Money with Melissa Lee. right here on CNBC.
18:12Welcome back to Fast Money. Qualcomm sharply lowered despite posting a top and bottom line beat. The chipmaker issuing light revenue guidance. The call is underway. Our Pippa Stevens has been listening in. She joins us now at the very latest. Hey, Pippa. Hey, Melissa. So Qualcomm is under pressure after their guidance didn't blow the street away, just in line on the top line. if you take the midpoint of the range. Now, on the call just now, the CFO pointing to uncertainty around the impact of the global trade landscape, saying their guidance is based on their current assessment of the financial impact of tariffs as they stand today, but did say that ultimately they don't see any material direct impact at this point, saying their diversified global supply chain sets them up well.
18:49The CEO also laying out some of Qualcomm's latest technical achievements and updates from partners like Microsoft, whose products are using Qualcomm's Snapdragon platform. Now, on that guidance front, the chip business is performing well, although the licensing business is facing some weakness, with Qualcomm guiding that division's revenues between$1.15 to$1.35 billion, while Wall Street was looking for$1.31 billion. Melissa? Pippa, thanks. Pippa Stevens didn't seem too bad, Guy. No, it's not. And this is, by the way, I mean, pull up a chart of this stock. It has not, listen, it's bounced recently like a lot of these things, but it has not traded well now for the last few months.
19:27And you just sort of do back of the envelope math and say, okay, what am I missing here? Yeah, it was not too bad. Valuation is, in a word, compelling. I just don't really get it. I don't know what the street is looking for. Maybe it's just as easy as dollars flowing into one and flowing out of another. But Qualcomm, to me, looks pretty cool here. You know, the headline that stuck out to me, and again, this is a company that has activists all over it. They were giving a lot of, you know, money back to shareholders, that sort of thing. They said they're going to use 100 percent of their free cash flow for buybacks and the like here.
19:56So I thought that was interesting. But on the flip side of that, Apple is a 22 percent customer. Samsung's a 19 percent customer and Huawei is 12 percent customer. So, you know, we know those are the handset makers. We know that they sell in a lot to them. We know that Apple is trying to kind of boot them out, doing some of their own custom stuff. So, you know, to me, it just seems like one of those ones to Guy's point. It's cheap. It's you know, the numbers weren't that bad. If investors don't care, then they don't care. They just think it's a value trap. And, you know, hardware is harder than, let's say, software right now.
20:23So it'll be interesting to see what Apple has to say tomorrow night. Qualcomm always falls into that bucket of trying to get investors' attention. Did I see that right? Revenue was up 17 % versus expectations of 3.1%. And then the return on invested capital is 52.8%. That blows away the average in the semiconductor space. I agree with the guy. But if a tree falls in the forest, to Dan's point, no one's around here making noise, then no one cares about the stock. but I would be a buyer of Qualcomm off of this. Even if nobody sees it? I mean, I'm in the woods. I got an axe. I got an axe. I chop my own wood.
20:56Coming up, more earnings action on deck. The big numbers from Robinhood. And look at the headlines out of Meta's and Microsoft's conference calls. Plus tariffs hitting the big retailers. What it means for your wallet and the stocks. You're watching Fast Money live from the Nasdaq markets and in Times Square. Back right after this.
21:38We'll be right back. ever. So to find out how to navigate this wild market environment, get your tickets now. Just scan the QR code or go to CNBCevent.com backslash fast money. Welcome back to Fast Money. We are getting comments from Meta CEO Mark Zuckerberg on the company conference call. Deepwater managing partner Gene Munster has been listening in. He joins us now. Gene? Melissa Zuckerberg is on cloud nine, and the reason is that he raised guidance by 3%, but these AI tools are having a huge impact in terms of how customers are using them, increasing engagement by 7 % to 30%. And so he's on cloud nine, they're going to be continuing to invest aggressively in AI.
22:24And I think that point about the engagement increasing around AI is really important because as we look around and ask the question, how is AI, what's the return on investment on AI, Meta is actually showing tangible examples of that. Increasing revenue, they lower their total expenses for the year by 1%. And so this company is in a unique area where it's actually having this benefit from AI. And so that's coming through loud and clear from Zuckerberg on the call. Karen's got a question. Yeah. Hi, Gene. Thanks for being on. Do you think they talk about a little bit increase in CapEx? And do you think that's, is that part of why the stocks up?
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23:05Do you think that's money well spent? Definitely money well spent. It comes from this point of strength that they're at right now is that they can go more aggressively. He outlined five key areas of their growth plan, and all of those have an AI component to it. And so this CapEx piece is kind of confirming to investors, how do you get there on these five growth areas? You invest more into CapEx. I would say this just to zero in on that CapEx number is that this is really good, what happened with Meta tonight. I expect the stock to continue to gain strength tomorrow. But the data point around CapEx, I think it's probably going to be considered, as we look at Microsoft and earnings and Qualcomm tonight, I think that that data point is probably going to be the one that rises to the top amongst tech investors, because, of course, not all AI data points are created equal, and that one is pretty strong, raising it by 9%.
23:56percent. Hey, Gene, Dan here. Thanks for being on. You've had a great call on this one here. I know you were a little perplexed by the sell-off that you had since they reported last quarter. Talk to us about Llama a little bit, right? So you just explained a little bit how they're using these tools, and we know that they've been serving ads better over the last few quarters and monetizing it better. But, you know, a lot of the reviews of Llama don't really stack up to what's going on at OpenAI or even Gemini, for that matter. And so it's open source. How are you thinking about it? How are the opportunities outside of their own ecosystem?
24:27So outside of the ecosystem, it's a little more muted in terms of the opportunities with Llama. Within it, they can use it for business messaging and for creating content. I actually was using Meta AI, which is powered by Llama, for today, and I asked it, what are the best models? And surprisingly, it put itself, it said they didn't want to rank them, but it said, I'm really good at having conversations with people and being an AI companion. And the point of that is that it's pretty clear is that if you rank these, that it doesn't have still the substance to stand up to some of these other closed models.
25:01But in the context of how Zuckerberg wants to use it, it's going to do what it needs to do, which is create content, improve ad engagement, and be an AI companion for people as they kind of get more and more spun into this vortex. One other quick one just on that, like how it impacts, is that their usage, the number of daily users up 6 % a year, it was up 5 % last quarter. This is a noxiously high number it's going after, 3.4 billion people, almost impossible to accelerate growth. That's an example of using an AI tool, using meta AI to increase engagement. So those are the ways that they can monetize it, even though it's not the best model.
25:43All right, Gene, thanks. Thanks. We'll check back in with you shortly. Meantime, I want to get to shares of Robinhood turning sharply higher in just the last few minutes after posting a top and bottom line beat. The retail trading platform also beating on a number of key user metrics. The call is underway. Kate Rooney has been listening in. Hey, Kate. Hey, Melissa. It could be the April numbers that we got moving shares higher, but it was a beat in the quarter across the board for Robinhood. Record net deposits driven by strong trading volume, especially in crypto and options. Earnings per share more than doubled in the quarter from a year ago.
26:13Revenue was up about 50 % And then revenue per user was stronger than expected as well. Robinhood now has 25.8 million users, 3.2 paying gold subscribers. That's been a growth area, beating consensus there. Transaction-based revenue, 583 million. That was a beat. Crypto made up almost half of that. You had options revenue. Roughly the other half, futures, a part of that had a strong quarter. Equities, a much smaller portion of that in comparison, about 56 million of that total number. Robinhood also upping its share buyback to$1.5 billion, a record in net deposits, $18 billion in the quarter as Robinhood looks to try to take market share from other brokers.
26:51OPEX was a slight miss as the company upped marketing as a way to attract some of those new deposits. We did, as I mentioned, just get that update for April on those numbers. Robinhood executives saying they're seeing$6.5 billion in deposits for the month, equities trading, they say, at a four-year high still. And they say they've seen continued engagement throughout the month of April. This is what analysts were looking for, driven by a greater share of active traders who tend to stay more resilient through the volatility. They called it broad-based in terms of strength and retail engagement.
27:23They say positive signs of engagement and the CEO just saying that focus on active traders is now paying off. It's making them more resilient, Mel. All right. Kate, thank you. Kate Rooney. Guy? Should be higher. I mean, the gold subscribers, it's not an insignificant number. It's 3.2 million people. That's up 90 % year-over-year. Revenue, as Kate said, is up 50 % year-over-year. EPS is up 114 % year-over-year. They're operating really well. Now, the naysayer will say a lot of this is crypto. That's fine. I mean, crypto doesn't seem to be going away anytime soon. I mean, they're operating really well.
27:56I think the stock should be higher than it is now. Yeah, I'll brighten it out a little bit. So options, crypto. I saw an article in the journal today talking about SPACs coming back. This feels like 2021. I'll just say this. I mean that, and then equity is not so interested in. So supply chain issues, pull forward. That's very 21. Yeah, I just think of the stuff, the speculative stuff that was working in 21. Yeah, but Robinhood, to Guy's point, should be up higher. It's not that. Yeah, I'm not speaking about Robinhood in particular. Got it, got it. I'm just the takeaway of what's working there.
28:25So I think to the point of Guy's saying it should be up higher, it's up 200 % on a one-year basis. So I think people look at that. We were sitting around this desk, and it was trading at around$10, and it was supposed to be the best levered play against Bitcoin. And you see that the last bump in the stock is A, with the market, B, with crypto trading. Crypto trading is up 100 percent this year. So as Guy said, it's not going away. It's only getting bigger. There are gold investments. There's sucking investment money and retirement from other funds. I think it's still good, but I think you want to wait for a better pullback in this.
28:59All right. Coming up, how Trump's tariff plans could impact your wallet. The price hikes the top analysts is flagging in the retail space. And the totes and toys seeing a major surge in prices. More on that when Fast Money returns. Missed a moment of fast? Catch us anytime on the go. Follow the Fast Money podcast. We're back right after this.
29:23Welcome back to Fast Money. Stocks are rallying off their lows of the day to wrap up April trading. The Dow and S &P closing in positive territory, but both notching their third negative month in a row. The Nasdaq just barely negative today, but seeing its first positive month in three. And some more after hours action. MGM topping earnings estimates but missing revenue expectations. And eBay beating EPS and revenue estimates but giving light earnings guidance. Well, a new report suggests some retailers are already starting to push price increases due to tariffs onto consumers. Dana Telsey is behind the findings.
29:53She's the Telsey Advisory Group CEO and Chief Research Officer. Welcome to you, Dana. Thank you. Thank you for having me. You're on set. What are some of the most shocking increases that you've seen? So what we've been doing is two weeks ago we started pricing 80 items across the board in all different areas of consumer, whether it's apparel or home furnishings. And you have to have a start somewhere. So we'll look at it week after week. It will come out every Tuesday. Luxury taking some price increases. The never full Louis Vuitton tote bag up around 5%. You obviously have Easter that just came in here, so there's some fluctuations up and down.
30:27And you've also seen, for example, some of the leggings at Target go up a bit in price, too. So that's some of the changes that are happening. I think we're going to see more. You heard what happened with Stanley Works on the conference call where they talked about price increase now and there's another price increase coming next quarter. It's early days what this could mean. But the pull forward of inventory levels is happening at the retailers. Obviously, the trade talks are going on right now. And so we don't really know what will happen, if things will be carved out, if things will be pulled back, et cetera.
30:56How do you foresee it in terms of, you know, if a retailer raises price on something, chances are it's not going to pull back the price if they get relief. Or is it? I don't know. Maybe it's a different environment. They do. The first round of tariffs, you've seen, whether it's footwear manufacturers, whether it was housewares, people raise prices. Some as much as 10 percent on a pair of shoes that maybe were$100. They pulled it back after all the hubbub basically diminished. So you could see that, but it'll be very interesting to see what happens and where the rate of change is. What you're hearing is about an innovative new products, whether it's with embellishment in apparel or whatever, they'll take a higher price increase.
31:34They want to make sure as hard as possible that on the essential goods that people know the stickiness of the price, that they stay where they are. But it remains to be seen. And the word I'm using for what the environment feels like now, it feels fragile. It just feels fragile. Because like we were saying earlier, the fourth quarter was so different than the first quarter. First calendar quarter ended March 30th. And every week of April feels different than the last week. So, Dana, that's fragile with an unemployment rate, as Steve said earlier, still not at historic lows, but reasonable. Job numbers this week, delinquency rates have been on the rise.
32:09You said fragile. Can Walmart and TJX, two names specifically, can they continue to win in this environment? I think they can continue to win. You know why? Because they have the higher income consumer who will trade down. They have the benefit, particularly of TJ, of being the umbrella of prices. Someone else is always higher than them. They price lower, and they're going to get good brands out there. People talk about, oh, is there going to be inventory available? There's always inventory available for off-pricers. Through all different times of change, you've seen the inventory there. So when you look at your favorites, and you look, as Guy said, so you have your TJ Maxx, you have your Burlington.
32:46And then if you go North American, which I've heard you say, you go Bath and Body Works. That's a good name for you. And then you go with your Costco. Yep. And then Sam's Club, which is Walmart. Exactly. On that side. How do you feel? So you agree with all those? Those are your top picks, basically. All those are worked for me, yes. How do you feel about Tapestry and Capri? Because plenty of people have gotten burned. Yep. I've tried to play it. I've made money, lost money, made money. Where are you now? So I'm still a Tapestry fan. A couple reasons why. Coach is gaining market share. Their product is new and differentiated.
33:18You don't have the pricing power yet at Michael Kors like you had in the past. You got rid of Versace and you had to. And we've seen companies overall in the portfolio approach in the U.S. You look at Stuart Weitzman also for Tapestry. They're selling the companies for less than they bought the companies at. But certainly the ability for Tapestry, it's holding their price points. It has more newness. It's actually taking some of the stores that Michael Kors is closing where they don't have a coach store and putting a coach store in. What needs to be seen? Kate Spade. Can they deliver an uptick there?
33:51On Capri, you've got to be able to fix Michael Kors. Can you get to a base level of Michael Kors to show design and product that people want to pay a better price for? You walk in Macy's, Macy's will have sales on Michael Kors goods. They won't have some sales on the coach goods. So, Dan, if you were a retailer now and trying to think about the back half of the year, what would you be doing? How do you plan for this? You can't plan. I was on the phone this morning with a whole bunch of retailers yesterday, also manufacturers. Everything I'm hearing is the fact that there's uncertainty how much you're going to order.
34:23And do you need to order? Because you need to order by June 4th for the holiday season. So the uncertainty that's out there now, I think I would plan definitely a little bit lean on some of my innovative products. I'd stock up on my essentials because I know I can sell them beyond the holiday season. But first time out, back to school, because that's the lead indicator for holiday, most retailers can be stocked through July, the beginning of back to school, all hands off after that in terms of how they're going to bring in goods. Because the one thing is it can't be made in the U.S. for many of our apparel companies.
34:57I was speaking with someone who has a factory in Turkey. Their family has a factory in Ethiopia. and they say it's not hard to manufacture things in the United States. It's impossible because the labor costs will add to the actual cost of the garment. June 4th is a deadline to order goods for Christmas. You're done with your Christmas shopping by June 4th. Oh, yeah. I know only the tariffs are coming. I bought it all. Early June, orders have to be in. Wow. It's soon. Yeah, it's right around the corner. Exactly. Dana, thank you. Thank you for having me. Tell us the advisory group. Guy, we can start the countdown clock to June 4th.
35:31It's the holiday season, Mel. Ho, ho, ho. First of all, it's great having Dana here in person, number one. She is on the top of the mountain in terms of retail. Number two, Steve said, I said, Dana said, the winners continue to be the winners. It's TJX World, Walmart's World. You want to throw Costco in the mix as well. And Dana won't say this because she's respectful, but if Tapestry would just be coached, the stock would probably be 40 % higher than it currently is. All right. Coming up, investors not loving what came out of Starbucks last night. while the CEO is telling investors to look past the disappointing details and towards the future.
36:03More on that when Fast Money returns.
36:16Welcome back to Fast Money. Shares of Starbucks down about 7 % and posting their lowest close since announcing Brian Nickel as its new CEO last August. Seasoning down 5.5%. The latest move coming after Coffee Chain posted weaker than expected earnings, another drop in same-store sales. But Nickel hyping the company's turnaround plans. Here's what he had to say this morning on Squawk on the Street. I'll be transparent. And, you know, I'll tell you right now the results weren't great, but I love the progress that we're making on the turnaround. If you like the idea of what's possible and you believe in the future of what we're going to create and generate, I've got a lot of optimism.
36:54And, you know, I'm pretty excited to be where I am right now. And I'm really excited about what's about to come. We knew it wasn't going to be a quick turnaround. So I don't know what we were expecting here. But yeah, this is you know, I've always believed you buy, as I've said in the past, you buy CEOs. You know, you don't buy stocks. It starts with the top down. CEO has that 50 ,000 foot up. He's investing in labor. He's investing in tech. He's simplifying the menu, which all of us can agree it needs simplification. I'm going to give him the benefit of the doubt, and I would be a buyer of Brian right now, which is Starbucks.
37:30I would give him the benefit of the doubt. I think he can do a turnaround. He's got to do the investment phase first. Awful time to do the investment phase when everyone's worried about increased costs. But I think I'm going to give him the benefit of the doubt. And a time when people, I mean, if we're talking about unemployment going up, if you don't have a job, you're not buying coffee probably at, you know, five bucks a clip. I don't know. I mean, well, also he's making a bet on China. It's not, I mean, it's growing, but it's not a gigantic part that is weighed down. I always think the worst thing that happened was that it went from 76 to 96 the day that he was announced.
38:01And he's been fighting that ever since. I mean, I like that he's thinking about the long term and not trying to do anything for this quarter. Well, that's it. I'm glad Karen mentioned that because we didn't think it'd be a quick fix, but the market certainly did because it went up basically 50 percent over the course of a couple months. It's a trade up to$117 on the back of I'm not quite sure what. Now we've round tripped the entire thing. But it's not a quick fix. Margin pressures are there. Competition is there. The quarter was not particularly good. If you want to take one thing away from today, trade it about four times normal volume.
38:34And we traded down the lows we saw back in August when he was announced. All right. Coming up, another check on the after hours movers. Microsoft's conference call is underway. Fast Money friend Gene Munster has been listening in and will bring us what he is hearing. That's next. And here's a sneak peek at the Kramer cam. Jim is chatting exclusively with the CEO of Yum Brands. Catch a full interview top of the hour on Mad Money. More Fast Money in two.
39:04Welcome back to Fast Money. Another check on tonight's key earnings. We're about 20 minutes into Microsoft's conference call. So let's go back to Deepwater Managing Partner, Gene Munster, for the very latest there. Gene, what's new? I'm Melissa. From Microsoft's perspective, Amy Hood, the CFO, is just starting to talk right now, so we're probably a few minutes away from that all-important guide. As far as the Microsoft call, Setia talked about the importance of scaling laws, holding, that's a big AI topic. That's also kind of confirming related to the importance of building AI infrastructure that's good for NVIDIA.
39:35On the flip side, a couple data points from Meta's call is that Susan Lee, CFO, mentioned that part of that expansion in CapEx earlier I was seeing how important of a data point that was. Part of that expansion in CapEx spend was related to higher costs that they're anticipating related to tariffs. She said that some of it is related to expanding the amount and the size of the AI brain that they're building and so that kind of watered that down a little bit and one last point is that they also mentioned that some of the the the ongoings with Europe and some of what's going on on the policies and regulation there could start to have an impact in the back half of the year.
40:14Investors largely shrug that off. But you see the stock kind of dipping a little bit in the last 20 minutes Meta has. And I think it's kind of a combination of those two. Overall, still very positive, very positive quarter. All right. Gene, thanks. Gene Munster. What do you think about that asterisk to that CapEx increase? Yeah, that's not quite as, you know, because those dollars aren't ones that will be have a return on those dollars. They're just higher. Right. So that is, yeah, it's worth a couple of points. Still think it's a pretty solid quarter. I mean, and they and Walmart, they being Facebook, two companies that have really figured out the AI thing.
40:48I mean, they're getting a return on their investment without question, which is why you can justify the spend. So I still think it's too cheap here. We talked last night about this AI diffusion rule that's going to come in place on May 15th. I think this is going to be something that we'll probably hear more about on the Q2 calls, you know, when we get there. So, you know, again, what does that mean? that could be a hit on demand as it relates to outside the U.S. and the other things outside the U.S., which they just mentioned about policy and the like. Yeah. The queues in the after hours, by the way, are higher by about eight tenths of a percent.
41:19But these reports overall, I mean, the pastiche is a good one when it comes to interesting use of pastiche. Yeah. Yeah. I think it's an underutilized word. Sure. Especially on this show. The market has done enough to alleviate the fears within the marketplace right now. So we've had six days up or seven days up, and the market has gained 8 % in the last seven days or so. So I think that if you're looking for this rally to continue, I am. I think that it's done enough, as the cues are suggesting right now, to keep that momentum going forward. Would you rather pastiche or mosaic? I like pastiche.
41:59It sounds nicer. But mosaic's good, too. Both are solid. Up next, Final Trades.
42:11Time for the Final Trade, Stephen. Starbucks giving Brian a shot, and North American comp sales were down, but they're trending higher as well as transactions. Chairwoman. Yes, so after those big earnings reports, you know, I look at Meta, and I think, all right, if I owned none, would I buy it right here? Yes, I would. So Meta. Sam. I'm just thinking about the mosaic in the health care. a little bit here. I think the XLV is pretty interesting here. It's a pastiche of different... It's a pastiche of pain. If you're looking at Tim Spicer and stuff like that. Perhaps. Quickly, where are you two ladies going?
42:45Karen Feinerman's being... Karen is receiving an honor tonight from the Harvard Business School Club. As well she should. Which I do not attend. Okay. The irony. Alibaba. Thank you for watching Fast Money. Mad Money starts right now.
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