Microsoft Sinks After Reporting… Plus Fed Decision On Deck 7/30/24

30 Jul 2024 · 44 min

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Notes from CNBC's "Fast Money" Episode: Microsoft Sinks After Reporting… Plus Fed Decision On Deck (July 30, 2024)

Episode Overview

  • Hosts: Melissa Lee, Tim Seymour, Karen Feinerman, Dan Nathan, Guy Adami
  • Main Topics:
  • Microsoft reports disappointing earnings, losing over $200 billion in market cap
  • Upcoming Federal Reserve decision on interest rates
  • Company updates: JetBlue, Merck, and Staples

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Key Discussions

Microsoft Earnings Report

  • Highlights:
  • Microsoft exceeded earnings per share (EPS) expectations ($2.95 vs. $2.93 forecast) and slightly beat revenue expectations ($64.7 billion vs. $64.39 billion).
  • Notable deceleration in Azure cloud growth: 29% versus 30.2% expected, marking the first miss since October 2022.
  • Capital expenditures (CapEx) soared to $19 billion, up 77% year-over-year, primarily for AI infrastructure development.
  • Azure AI Services contributed 8% to revenue, marking a steady increase but still deemed insufficient.
  • Market Reaction:
  • The stock fell sharply post-report, attributed to high valuations and underwhelming growth metrics.
  • Discussion on whether the valuation is excessive, with some traders suggesting a buying opportunity around the April low of ~$390.

Insights from Traders

  • Guy Adami:
  • Emphasized concerns over valuation and highlighted the need for Microsoft to clarify its CapEx spending.
  • Suggested $390 as a logical buying level.
  • Dan Nathan:
  • Pointed out the revenue growth from the Intelligent Cloud segment (up 19% year-over-year), suggesting a positive long-term outlook despite short-term struggles.
  • Gene Munster:
  • Viewed the stock reaction as an overreaction, noting Microsoft beat 11 out of 12 key metrics but missed on the critical Azure growth.
  • Expressed confidence in the long-term AI investment strategy despite potential short-term margin pressure.

Federal Reserve's Upcoming Decision

  • Anticipation surrounding the Fed's decision was high, with expectations for potential rate adjustments influencing market sentiment, particularly in the banking sector.
  • Some traders expressed concerns over small banks facing continued challenges despite larger banks seeing improved earnings.

Other Company Updates

  • JetBlue: Surprised the market with a profit increase, resulting in a stock price surge.
  • Merck: Experienced its worst day in nearly three years despite beating earnings due to concerns over weaker sales in a key product line.
  • Starbucks: Reported mixed results, with shares fluctuating based on outlook guidance.

Final Thoughts and Takeaways

  • Microsoft's Position: The deceleration in cloud growth and high CapEx raised concerns about future performance amidst competition in the AI and cloud space.
  • Market Volatility: The episode highlighted the fragile nature of investor confidence, with significant reactions to perceived weaknesses in earnings reports.
  • Fed Impact: Traders remained cautious about economic indicators that could influence the market outlook post-Fed decision, particularly given the mixed signals from various sectors.

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Conclusion Investors should remain vigilant regarding Microsoft’s future performance, particularly in light of its significant investment in AI and the forthcoming guidance from the Fed. The overall market sentiment is shifting, underscoring the importance of being strategic with entry points in an increasingly volatile environment.

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0:00Live from the Nasdaq market site in the heart of New York City's Times Square. This is Fast In focus, we are counting down to the central bank's next decision coming tomorrow and what it could mean for rates and the markets. And later, JetBlue shares take off after posting a surprise profit. Merck, with its worst day in nearly three years, and a Staples stalwart loses three months of gains in one day. The stories behind all those moves coming up. I'm Melissa Lee coming to you live from Studio B at the NASDAQ. On the desk tonight, Tim Seymour, Karen Feinerman, Dan Nathan, and Guy Adami. We start off with that huge slate of earnings, some big names on the move in the after-hours trade.

0:49We've got team coverage on all these names. Kate Rogers standing by in Starbucks. Kate Rooney digging into AMD's quarter. Julia Borson's watching Pinterest. But we start off with Steve Kovach, who's got all the details on Microsoft's results. Steve. Yeah, Mel. So Microsoft squeaked by with beats on the top and bottom lines for the quarter. But disappointing growth in cloud and a big jump in CapEx from last March quarter is weighing shares down. First, the results here. EPS was a beat at two dollars and ninety five cents. Street was looking for$2.93. And revenue, a very slight beat here,$64.7 billion.

1:23Street was looking for$64.39 billion. And on Azure cloud growth, this was a little bit of a deceleration here. And the first miss on expectations since October of 2022 put 29 % versus 30.2 % expected. Meantime, Azure AI Services, a percentage of that revenue, it was 8%. That is up 7 % last quarter and 6 % the quarter before that. So at least that part is growing. That final stat is really important one to watch with AI services making up a larger and larger chunk of Azure's growth. Microsoft's opaque on the details, though, but it appears to be working pretty well for them. As for capital expenditures, though, Microsoft spent$19 billion in the quarter, presumably most of that going towards building out AI infrastructure.

2:10And that's up a whopping 77 % from the year ago quarter. So what to listen for on the call, guys, at 530. Microsoft's explanation for that massive CapEx. We, of course, saw Alphabet shares punished for the lack of clarity around its massive AI CapEx, but not spending as much as Microsoft, Mel. Do you think we'll hear about revenue contribution from Copilot yet, Steve? I truly doubt it, Mel. They've been so opaque and not really talking about sales figures or anything related to Copilot. Seems like all the AI action is really happening in Azure. I've been speaking to IT professionals for the last several months about whether or not they're buying Copilot for their employees.

2:51And the thing I hear again and again and again about Copilot is we're going to test it with a few hundred employees. We use it and realize it's just not worth the cost. So we're going to put it aside for now. So it seems like that's the story around Copilot, at least for now, until we get some more data or real sales data from Microsoft. All right, Steve, thanks. Keep us posted. Again, conference call, half an hour's time. It gets underway. What was wrong with the quarter, Guy? Nothing. I mean, what's wrong with the quarter is the valuation is excessive. And now people are sort of focused on valuation.

3:19And we talked about it with Gene last night. Azure needed to come in basically in line with expectations. It came about a percent light. Doesn't sound like a big deal. But when you start to see deceleration, the market gets concerned. I'll say this as well. Margin's OK. But again, year over year, flat margin. So a stock that traded up to 470, seemingly a month and a half or two months ago, now down some 15%. The question is, it's not where you sell it, it's where you buy it. And if you look at the April low, I think it was April 30th, the stock basically traded down to, I want to say, 390-ish.

3:48I mean, that's a logical level to trade down and hold. And then it starts to make sense. And then at least I think you can sort of wrap your head around or make a decent argument on valuation. We did get an increase in terms of the percentage points as a contribution to Azure from AI, and that was positive from last quarter. Yeah, 6 % two quarters ago, 7 % last quarter, 8 % this quarter. They're at 44 % of their total revenues coming from Intelligent Cloud. So that was up 19 % year over year. If you think about the quarter that they just reported as far as revenues, they're up like 15%, 16 % year over year.

4:18So, you know, it's good that Intelligent Cloud is making up a greater percentage of the overall revenue, right? And that's where your margin is going to come from. But if you're losing some share in that and you're seeing some deceleration, some of the things that we've been talking about as far as multiples are concerned is something that in this sort of environment you want to pay attention to. And also, if we're starting to see, as Steve just mentioned, and we've been talking about this a little bit, there's not too many great examples of Fortune 100 companies who are saying Copilot is a game changer right now for us.

4:47We're deploying it across our suites and stuff like that. So to me, this is probably a back half story. You asked Steve, are we going to get some numbers around Copilot? I think the numbers in the quarter are going to start to show you that it's not a big uptake right now. Yeah, it was a perfectly fine quarter. In fact, the numbers, according to a lot of the street, actually beat the numbers. It's interesting also after the March print, we got some sense from management that Azure was somewhat capacity constrained. So a little bit of weakness there, not a total surprise. As Dan's referencing also, and as you did, Melissa, the intertwined nature of the AI workload and what's going on in cloud usage.

5:20And if you think that there's more competition in cloud, and we know there is, and we know at some point this becomes a dogfight that I think someone's going to have to start cutting margins by cutting prices. That's not happening yet. It's still growth period rewarded for the 13 billion in CapEx, I think. But again, this is a case where have we overbuilt? The market wants to see some results. The build out is clearly ahead of the results. But I think based upon the secular trend here, this is what they're supposed to be doing. So I agree with everything I've been saying. It's not that the quarter was particularly bad in a vacuum.

5:54I think it would have been fine. We're not in a vacuum. This drawdown from 400 and I don't know, 67 or wherever it was. This is this is pretty big. Well, so we'll see the multiple probably be sub 30. Right. I don't know, Dan, if they're necessarily losing share. I do think the pie is growing. But I mean, it's funny that even with the even with how far it's come in from the 467, this one percent miss was just not good enough. So the bar is very, very high. We'll see, you know, what does this mean for Meta? What does this mean for Amazon? AWS will get that on Thursday. It is interesting, though, that Alphabet, albeit a much smaller cloud business, was accelerating faster.

6:39Right. So far, what it means, at least in the after hours action, is decline to 3 percent for Amazon and for Meta. Guy, is that fair? Do we impute what was going on with Microsoft in terms of the lack of amazing growth in AI to the others? Well, fair is an interesting word. I mean, when things get dragged up on the back of good quarters over the last couple of years, I mean, whether it's fair or not doesn't matter. That's what's happened. So it works the other way as well. So, yeah, I think in the context of what we're talking about, it actually makes sense because for the last couple of weeks ish, it feels as though the markets like sell first, ask questions later, which, again, sort of makes sense.

7:13You know, we'll see how this plays out. But again, in terms of Microsoft, it's not I think the time to sell it was probably again in retrospect a couple of weeks ago. So now you're saying, OK, where's the right entry point? And as I mentioned earlier, that April low sort of sticks out to me. Just one more thing on Meta with pins, which we'll get to later, that is weighing heavily on Meta as well. Oh, that's true. That's a good point there. Yeah, we're going to have our markets conversation. But ultimately, this is a markets conversation because we continue to see the broadening of the market. But when you get back to where every mega cap tech stock, certainly Microsoft, Amazon, Google and Meta kind of was already there.

7:47They were teetering at the 100 day before this. And then you had today's activity and you have a dynamic here where all those people that said, I'm looking for that place to buy this dip. It takes it takes a more strong stomach, I should say, even though these are the most defensive companies in the world on some level and the valuations aren't terrible. Let's say we don't have great traction when it comes to A.I. Revenue, A.I. Contribution for Microsoft until the back half of the year or maybe even the first half of next year. How do you does that matter for NVIDIA? Sure. They're still going to spend.

8:21Yeah, NVIDIA is trading up right now, you know, because basically that CapEx number is causing some investors like, OK, we're OK, especially after how much the stock has come off a little bit. I'll just say this about the spend and recognizing, you know, some return on this investment. I mean, we're also digesting an economy that seems to be slowing right now. Right. And so if you think about just enterprise spending, it usually comes down in a slower environment. And there's pretty easy things to pull back on a little bit, especially if you spent tens of billions of dollars. You know what I mean?

8:50Like beefing up your sort of A.I. when you don't really see something in the near term. That's how you could really kind of, you know, rail or, you know, bring things in a little bit. So, again, you know, none of us can tell you whether the economy is slowing. But right now it seems to be signs of it. All right. Let's bring in Gene Munster, Deepwater. He is the managing partner there. And of course, he's a fast money friend. Gene, what's your take here? MR. Melissa, I think they missed on the pressure point, of course, but I think the stock reaction is an overreaction. And ultimately, I think that this speaks to how sensitive investors are just for any little blink.

9:26I think, Karen, you were talking about this, just any fracturing. There's 12 metrics, kind of key metrics that come out in this quarter. They beat on 11 of the 12, and they missed on the Intelligent Club by 1 percent. And I think that this reaction, it is, again, deja vu relative to what we saw with Google. That's what it's all about, though, Gene. That's the only thing the market, the only thing they missed on is the only thing the market cares about. All that makes sense. But at the end of the day, I think this is the reaction tonight. We're going to get guidance in a little bit. That's going to have a huge impact.

9:59The street's looking for a slight deceleration from, call it, 15.5 % to 14.5 % next year. And so that's going to be an important piece to this. But at the end of the day, I think the piece that really jumps out to me is this CapEx number. I mean, this is a really good sign for the AI trade. And these big companies, they cannot afford to take their foot off the accelerator when it comes to this investment. And ultimately, I think Dan mentioned that NVIDIA is now up in the after hours. That makes sense. I see this as most encouraging. So understand the near-term reaction. People focused on that Azure number.

10:35But I think the AI trade is still in lockstep and in a good position. And Gene, so it's Tim. Thanks for joining. Certainly, Microsoft has somewhat unique embedded AI solutions. But what I think we're talking about here is a margin hit, at least in the short run. Can you talk about that? Because, again, we can say it's the cost of doing business. But at some point, it really is something that could indicate that there's competition and there's dynamics around the valuation. So near term, the stock's going to move long term in margins, too. I would say this is that I'm confident that as they continue to increase their spend in the near term, that margins are going to be under pressure.

11:15I think that that is that is a safe bet. And you're seeing some of that in the stock. I am also confident that this investment will pay off. And ultimately, I think that this is going to lead to higher, if not highest margins that Microsoft has seen. And so I don't know what that period is, if it's a one-year investment period, if it's a year and a half. I think by 2026, we're going to start to really reap the benefits. Last night, we talked about the timing of this contribution from Co-Pilot. It's going to take time. And ultimately, I think that this is the right, even if it's at the cost of near-term margins, it's absolutely the right thing.

11:50If they don't make this investment, they are going to be, they won't be Microsoft. It won't be a$3 trillion company. It will be$1 trillion. And they got to do it. And I think it's going to be good for margins long term. Gene, it's Karen. Thanks for being on today. Do you think we will get more granularity on the call about Copilot or, you know, one of the giant questions out there is monetization of the AI spend? It's definitely going to come up. And I think that they will probably give a metric. I think this is something they'll probably give some indication on it and probably conclude with that we're starting to build and that next year is probably the year where they're going to start to see it.

12:25So that's going to be another factor here, along with guidance as far as how this contribution is. But so I do expect them to say something on that topic. Gene, great to get your take. We'll check in with you after this call starts in about 16 minutes time. Sounds good. Guy, if they don't give the copilot number, which is widely expected at this point, they give OK. I mean, like, I don't know. What do you think happens to the stock? Well, I think I think it could get down that level that we talked about. And I think that's, you know, Tim made a great point, as he typically does. everybody says, I have a level that I want to buy a stock until that stock gets there.

12:57And it's never for reasons that you thought. And you're scared blankless, as you know. But if you try to just take a motion out of it and look at the levels, it actually starts to make sense. And for the first time in a long time, to Karen's point, at least you can make a case on valuation for sure. And if you're in Gene's camp, I mean, this is an entry point for a longer term position. So again, it's not where you sell Microsoft here. It's where you step in and buy it. And I think it's a 390. All right, we've got a news alert we want to get to on Biogen and Esai's Alzheimer's drug, Likambi. Pippa Stevens has got the details.

13:27Pippa. Hey, Melissa. Well, according to new data just released, the Alzheimer's drug, Likambi, did slow disease progression in patients over three years, meaning that there is a need for them to stay on the treatment long term. That's according to new data released today by Esai, which shares Likambi with Biogen. The study also found that the health of Alzheimer's patients who took the therapy did worsen after they stopped treatment and that the rates of adverse side effects associated with the drug, including brain bleeding and swelling, dropped after six months of treatment. You see there the stock up about one percent here on that news.

14:04Melissa. All right. Thank you very much, Pippa Stevens. And, of course, the other competitor in the market right now, Eli Lilly, with its recently approved drug here, Tim. a lot of developments in this area, which is very promising. No, it's, look, it's fantastic for mankind. And it certainly is a case where we think there's progress. But Biogen and Lilly, really, it has been kind of a two-horse race. And at times we were, you know, it was a year ago we were pushing back on the Biogen news. And, in fact, there's been some follow-through that's very good. Lilly, you know, as we get into that trade, but we talk about it all the time, the correlation that Lilly does seem to have to some of these other high-flying multiple, or I should say mega-cap tech stocks.

14:41And that's something that clearly continued again today. So we'll see where it trades tomorrow, along with these other names that are not in its share class. Yeah, let's get back to tech earnings here. Want to check in on shares of AMD up by about 7 percent. This after the chipmaker being on the top and the bottom lines, data center revenue is more than doubled from a year ago. Kate Rooney joins us now to break it down. Hey, Kate. Hey, Melissa. So AMD's quarter was driven by that record revenue for data centers and AI. CEO Lisa Su on the call just minutes ago saying that she expects AMD's GPU revenue to exceed $4.5 billion this year.

15:11That's up from the$4 billion they guided to in April. You saw the stock move slightly higher on that news. Data center revenue for the quarter, though, was up 115 % from a year ago. Lisa Su did say our AI business, as she put it, it's continued accelerating. We are well positioned to deliver strong revenue growth in the second half of the year, led by demand for those processors. She also says the rapid advances in generative AR are driving that demand for more compute in every market. She mentioned Microsoft. You guys were talking about the CapEx creating significant growth opportunities. Overall, revenue for the quarter beat expectations, 5.84 billion.

15:45And then gross margins were pretty much in line at 53 percent. Same with the outlook there. The investor community analysts out there are really waiting for the full year revenue forecast for the AI chip in particular, the MI300. The number to beat has been 4 billion. That's the guidance they issued in the first quarter. So that AI chip is key. Wall Street really wants to see higher revenue forecast as proof of some of that AI demand that they've been talking about. Speaking of Lisa Su, do not miss a big interview on Squawk on the Street tomorrow. She is going to be joining that team in the morning.

16:13Tune in, guys. Kate, thank you. Kate Rooney. We were just talking about the AMD on the call as being sort of the laggard in the AI trade, really. Do it, done nothing, languishing since February. Right. And so you're waiting for that chip. And Lisa Su just said$4.5 billion. That's about 18 % of their total for the year. Again, this is expected to grow revenues somewhere about 30-some percent next year. Earnings are expected to grow 56%. It's trading at about 25 times. So if you think that these guys are that far behind the eight ball, but they're about to catch up, I mean, Lisa Su seems pretty confident about that.

16:46I mean, this seems like a better do. The sentiment is really bad right now relative to NVIDIA. So again, competition is going to come sooner or later. It should be from these guys. It's been awful. And in fact, this stock going into this print was down more than 40 percent from its highs back in March. And so as NVIDIA was starting to separate and start to show a new product line, we were suddenly waiting for the MI300. And we're really we're waiting for that data set. But that stock was down 10 percent year to date going into this print in a year when we know what we've been talking about 24 seven.

17:15So do you think it's a very interesting story? It's acknowledged as a as a distant second. But this is a stock for people that have been looking for underperformers. There's no question AMD is on that list. But the valuation is almost the same. It's virtually the same. So in that context, is this the underperformer that you bet on because it's been underperforming? Or is there a notion that it is too expensive considering what it's doing? Who has a greater growth trajectory, right? I mean, that's so it's the same valuation, but one's better than the other. You want to go with the one that has more growth opportunities.

17:43But however, I mean, given the magnitude of the sell off, I mean, this quarter was fine. The guide was fine. Is it this good? Probably not. But it's been so oversold, to Tim's earlier point, that you're getting this relief rally. I mean, I think you've got to sort of wait and see on this one still. I don't think they're out of the woods yet. I think both NVIDIA and AMD are about 30 % off their highs, give or take. So, you know, I really wonder, does it matter that AMD is$220-some-odd billion,$230 billion? Is that more attractive than something 10 times the size? I know it sounds crazy, but I think that's possible.

18:20But, you know, also the momentum may be shifting here. So that's good. Also part of the reason why NVIDIA is up, not just the spend for Microsoft, but the MD numbers. Coming up, we are keeping an eye on Microsoft as we await that conference call starting in just a few minutes. We'll bring you the headlines as they come. But first, Pinterest plunging after its results, the details from the quarter and results from Starbucks next. And a number of names catching our eyes from today's session. the reasons behind the moves and why these stocks should be on your radar ahead. Don't go anywhere. Fast Money is back in two.

18:51This is Fast Money with Melissa Lee right here on CNBC.

19:07Welcome back to Fast Money. We've got an earnings alert on Pinterest. shares are plummeting after hours despite a top and bottom line beat, though off their worst levels of the afternoon. The problem, weak guidance. Julia Borson's got the details. Hey, Julia. Hey, Melissa. That's right. Pinterest shares plummeting now down about 11.5 % on that disappointing third quarter guidance. The stock did beat expectations in the top and bottom lines, and it added 2 million more monthly active users than expected. But its third quarter guidance of between$885 and$900 million. That's in a range lower than the analyst consensus of$907 million.

19:44Pinterest CEO Bill Reddy is saying on the earnings call that they see momentum around Pinterest and that they're using AI to drive increased use for both users and results for advertisers. On the call just now, the company's CFO explaining the weaker than expected third quarter outlook, citing tougher comps, foreign exchange headwinds, and the fact that their guidance does not assume material improvement in the trends for the food and beverage category. But they did note that the ad market is relatively stable versus last quarter. They also said they're seeing real strength in the retail vertical.

20:21Meta Snap and Reddit are also trading down along with Pinterest. Meta reports tomorrow. Snap on Thursday. And then we hear from Reddit next week. Melissa? All right, Julia, thank you. Julia Boorstin, tougher comps, but you're giving a lower range anyway. It shouldn't make a difference what the comps are if the range itself is lower than even the analysts' expectations. But putting that aside, it is a disappointing third quarter outlook. The outlook. The quarter, I think, was OK. ARPU, Tim, quickly. Average revenue per user. I appreciate that. $1.64 in line. So maybe that was disappointing. Monthly average users, I think, are pretty good.

20:58Valuation is OK. The stock is traded down from about 45 bucks. And we talked about April lows. We'll throw up a chart because this 33 level is right back down to the April low. So this is one I actually think you close your eyes and buy, Milms. So meta, the read off of it, obviously not good. At best, it's neutral and likely it's something worse than neutral. But the valuation of meta here is actually, to me, far more attractive than Pinterest or Reddit or any of the other ones. All right. Let's get to Starbucks now. shares at this point are up 3 % after the company reported its third quarter results.

21:31The coffee giant met profit estimates missed on revenue. Sales are broad falling more than expected. Kate Rogers is on the conference call, has the very latest. Hey, Kate. Hey, Melissa. As you said here, mixed Q3 for Starbucks, EPS in line, revenues a miss. Take you through the comps here. Global comps down 3%, North American down 2%, both of those roughly in line. International comps down 7 percent. That's more than the 5.1 expected. And key market China comps down 14 percent. Transactions also fell in all operating segments. And the company's release said that financial outlook will be discussed during the conference call.

22:03It has not yet come up. CEO Laksman Narasimhan, though, did say we're not satisfied with the results. Our actions are making an impact and leading business and operational indicators are trending in the right direction ahead of our financial results. And our runway for improvement is long. Some of its new equipment and training systems, he noted in tandem, have shown the ability to drive a 10 to 20 second wait time reduction. That's key. And a resulting comp opportunity range of one to one and a half percent, he said, shares up around two percent after hours, as you said, with the call still ongoing.

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22:33Two more quick highlights here. He did confirm Elliott Management is a shareholder in the company and said conversations to date have been constructive. And finally, on China, very interesting here, more cautious consumer spending and intensified competition were two things that mentioned, but said they are playing the long game in that market. Melissa, back over to you. Nothing yet, Kate, on the promotional activity and the results of that? Not yet. It has boosted somewhat of its business. And remember, they opened up the mobile app to everyone just now in July. They're saying that people are redeeming some of the offers, but they haven't mentioned that$5 value offer yet.

23:06I'm curious to see how that has fared for them and, you know, what the outlook is for the future. And if they continue to plan to, you know, use that promotional activity in the app for people who are non-rewards members because they want to tap into more business and continue to grow. Right. Kate, thanks. Kate Rogers. Sigh of relief, Tim. It is. By the way, value is a relative term at Starbucks. I mean, you know, I get that they've got these pairings in this$5 value. But speaking of kind of the loyalty program, 33 and a half million loyalty members at this point, up 7 % year over year. The China news is the kind of news that we've been expecting and doesn't really we're kind of inured to that at this point.

23:40We've been expecting this. I think the cost controls are a big thing. The Elliott dynamic is helpful. It doesn't solve Starbucks issues. And I think the new machinery and the improved operational performance is fine. I think Starbucks needs to be careful about brewing out of that machine rather than just a traditional drip brew. This is from this consumer. It just doesn't taste as good. You don't like the machine, basically. I dislike the machine a lot. It doesn't taste as good. I mean, he goes after the Starbucks, the Chipotle up on your... Because I love these brands, because I love these companies, and I'm disappointed.

24:11I mean, I'm a channel check. Right. And they should be listening to you. It's like a Peter Lynch sort of thing. But that's funny. Chipotle makes a burrito faster than Starbucks who make a cup of coffee. To be fair, it's not just, you know, it's when people order, like, the macchiato with the extra whatever and the cream. But they just said 10 to 20 seconds improvement in the wait time for something that's usually, like, probably three to five minutes or something like that. It's not, you know. It's a percentage basis. Yeah, it's not great. Not great. All right. We've got a news alert on Intel.

24:39Let's get back to Pippa Stevens, who's got the details. Pippa. Hey, Melissa. Well, Intel will cut thousands of jobs to reduce costs and fund a turnaround, according to a report just now in Bloomberg, as the company looks to rebound from an earnings slump and market share losses. Now, the workforce reduction could be announced as early as this week, according to the report. The company does report earnings tomorrow after the bell. Now, this comes after Intel cut its workforce by about 5 percent last year after first implementing job cuts beginning in October 2022. The stock, though, not really reacting to this report, at least not now.

25:12Melissa? All right, Pippa, thanks. Pippa Stevens, maybe a preview of what's to come in that earnings report tomorrow, Guy. No doubt. But to me, it's a bigger story. I mean, if you think about the world that they live in, think about what they're attempting to do. And this is now the second time within the course of a year they're cutting jobs to basically try to improve the top line. That's not just Intel, by the way. That's going to go across a swath of industries. It's going to manifest itself in the unemployment rate, which I think is still going to continue to go higher. You can hear a lot about the SOM rule over the next week, week and a half.

25:43And that's going to get S-A-H-M. Talk about that. Go to your Google machine. So the SOM rule, 50 basis points above the three-month moving average, which I believe for the unemployment rate is 3.7 percent. 4.2 would kick it in. And historically, that's been a very negative indicator for the market. So that's not bad. I'm glad I asked Melissa. I had the more you know. That was a trade school. Can you do that? Can we play the graph? I have a button, actually. I should bring that out on set. Again, real quick. Unemployment rate, that's going to start to move in ways that people don't think. and that's not going to be positive for the market.

26:18Intel's results, by the way, I misspoke Thursday after the close. But still, this is the company that's supposed to be reshoring. We don't like to hear it. We're building foundries here in the United States of America. I'm not worried about that. There's so much money being thrown at Intel. They also have a lot of JV partners, both in Ireland and out in Arizona. They've raised a ton of money. The fact that they're focused on operational control, to me, I actually like to hear that. It's not as if they don't have resources. This is Semiconductor USA right here, and I think over the long term, that's exactly where it's going to be.

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27:21Welcome back to Fast Money. Stocks closing mix ahead of tomorrow's big Fed decision. The Dow jumping more than 200 points, the S &P falling about half a percent, and the tech-heavy Nasdaq dropping more than a percent. Shares of Microsoft are down by about 6.25 % in the after-hours trading session. The company conference call just getting underway. We're bringing the headlines as soon as we get them. And we've got some more after-hours action. EA on the move after missing on revenues. Live Nation lower due to an earnings miss, and shares of Mondelez higher after posting a top-line beat and raising its dividend 11%.

27:53In the meantime, in the regular session, shares of JetBlue flying high in the back of their results this morning, the airline posting a surprise profit and saying it would defer another$3 billion in aircraft spending through 2029 to improve cash flow. Shares of PayPal jumping after a top - and bottom-line beat, the company also raising its full-year profit outlook. That is the P in Blysep. Yeah, I think Alex, Chris, and co. are making some progress here, and there's a turnaround that's maybe faster than it had been. And it's not time to start doing tons of cartwheels here. And the blicep certainly has lagged a couple of its – what's yours again?

28:27Mine is Helm. Helm? Yeah. And what is yours again, Guy? The Clam. The Clam? The Clam? The Clam? How's that? The Clam? You know, since you brought it up, the Clam is doing extraordinarily well. But if you didn't make it Clam and add PayPal, it would have been underwater. so to speak. Well, as I say, you know, you don't want to put too much in the clam. It's fine the way it is. You've got to be tender. So, I mean, it's a case where I do think that valuation is fine. I think PayPal still has a lot to prove in the world of payments. You know, another name also out there, Diageo, which got crushed and has been it's been a relentless move.

29:03And they, you know, they pointed out about the consumer stuff we already knew. But ultimately, this to me is a name that's starting to get interesting because we've heard this from Diageo for 18 months and it's best in class. All right. Coming up, a major decision on deck. The Fed gearing up to deliver another rate call tomorrow and we're homing in on the bank trade to see how that group will fare. That is next. Plus, we are dialed in onto a Microsoft conference call. We'll bring you all the headlines you need to know. A check in on the big tech trade that's coming up. Don't go anywhere. Fast Money is back in two weeks.

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29:48Welcome back to Fast Money. Regionals and big banks rising today ahead of tomorrow's Fed decision, continuing the strength they've seen all month. Both groups up double digits in July, and financials are the second-best-performing S &P sector this month. But one top money manager sees short-term challenges ahead. Max Sykes is a portfolio manager at Gabelli Funds, runs a Gabelli Financial Opportunities ETF. Max, great to have you with us. Thank you. So they pull forward gains? Well, I mean, we've had a huge run up into this print tomorrow. And I think that we're all excited about future rate cuts.

30:20I think tomorrow we'll just get kind of a movement towards an expectation in September for 25 basis points, maybe 50 basis points. Depends on the economic data on Friday. And if you think about the earnings that just came from 2Q, pretty good. Bottom of NIAs, you know, better commentary from the banks. So I think it's a good setup for earnings, 24 going into 25, better Fed, lower deposit costs and maybe a normalized curve. So that's a pretty good setup for the big banks. But that's not going to be enough to help the smaller banks where you see potentially still landmines out there in terms of real estate.

30:54Right. I think, you know, they've all been lifted on this. And, you know, I think that's an easing of the Fed policy. And then we've also seen the real estate group kind of rally as well. But you have to go house to house and the credit to credit. And, you know, we still see some hot spots related. New York Community Bank, for one, Flushing Financial. There are still some more challenged portfolios. KRE is at a great run, as you know. But I look at we talked about Intel laying off people. The unemployment rate starts to move. The economy slowing down. Those all should be headwinds for a sector that's done extraordinarily well over the last month.

31:27month and a half, two months. So is this one of these things where these banks have gotten way too ahead of themselves? Well, it's possible. I think the big banks are up 16, 17 percent, and we've seen fundamental improvement there. And then the kicker coming in probably fourth quarter is the capital markets, IPO markets, and that'll be a big help for them. And they're still having headwinds in terms of NII. Just look at JP Morgan, et cetera. But I think we're going to get a normalization unemployment as long as we don't kind of steepen and go off the curve there. Well, you know, credit should normalize.

31:58You know, even when you think about the trajectory, we're still at pretty low levels of unemployment historically. And when I look around New York, it's pretty active as well. So I think in the commentary, too, whether it's America Express, Bank of America, it's still pretty good. So we'll have to see how that data trajects. But for the most part, I think they're in good shape fundamentally. Do you think the run up in the regional banks is, how much of that do you think is due to acquisition hopes?

32:27So there's a number of things about that. I think obviously it's a little easier policy in terms of the balance sheets more manageable and then the outlook in terms of, you know, deposit costs. So if we know that's being capped by the feds at some point, then that's helpful. But also you have the elections perception around Trump, Kamala, et cetera, in terms of the outlook for regulations. But I think everybody knows that There needs to be consolidation in the smaller banks, and I think that will be appreciated regardless of who gets elected in the fall. But you also need to have more fundamental, better improvement, kind of in the underlying fundamentals for the small banks as well in order to get consolidation.

33:05Because a couple of months ago, we were still looking at kind of capital holes and worries and also integration and approval. So I think part of that's getting moving in the right direction. And for next year, I think that will be helpful. But we have to see that underlying. And a normalized yield curve helps everybody. Hey, Mac, you just mentioned the headwinds to net interest income. And like you said, you mentioned J.P. Morgan. Wells Fargo had some issues there. When you look at a Bank of America and you look at the results that they had and you look at why it's underperformed over a multi-year period, we get it.

33:33We know what happened in 2022 and that sort of thing. But when you think about like Warren Buffett selling here and he owns more than, you know, he's obviously a number one shareholder. Does that think when you think about that, is that going to be a big overhang for this company, for this stock in particular? Well, one of the world's most renowned investors selling a big position. I think it's obvious pause on it. They've sold 70 million shares. They still have 960 million shares. So that's$40 billion. When you talk about a$14 cost, that's$26 billion of embedded gains. Now, there's a couple of reasons they may be selling.

34:07You know, as the number two position besides Apple, you know, it's a big concentration. It's one of Warren's particular ones. So maybe there's a little legacy planning in terms of turning it over to his investment managers and their priorities in terms of the portfolio. Number two, they've talked about the Apple position and wanting to sell potentially ahead of corporate tax rates, maybe moving higher in the future, given the deficits, et cetera. So that would be, you know, a move to lower the tax burden by selling this year versus in the future, just given the embedded gains in that. And then, you know, it had a terrific run here.

34:41And, you know, they're maybe just wanting to trim and take those profits in a bigger position. Mac, thanks for stopping by. Mac Sykes of Gabelli. We're getting some updates from that Starbucks conference call. The stock is taking a leg higher in just the last few minutes. Kay Rogers got the details. Hey, Kate. Hey, Melissa. First to a question you asked about promotional activity. Executives saying here there are green shoots in the reinvention plan and promotions help to boost average tickets in the U.S., Although the company's executives also say it's been very measured in promotional activity, given that it wants to maintain its position as a premium brand.

35:12And to the stock move higher, more than 5 % now, it reaffirmed its full year 2024 guidance. Reminder for viewers that is revenue growth expected in the low single digits. Global and U.S. same-store sales growth to a range of low single digits to flat. Same-store sales in China expected to decline by single digits. And earnings per share growth in a range of flat to low single digits. They had lowered their guidance last quarter. They maintained that outlook this quarter. And that's why you're seeing the stock higher after hours. Melissa, thank you. Thank you, Kate. Up five percent. Now, are we going to look back on this, Tim, and think this was an inflection in terms of their turnaround or it was a head fake?

35:48I don't know that you can call it a inflection point. I mean, the turnaround is a function of a lot of different things. And also, again, this is we had a really weak guide. So we've reaffirmed numbers that we were marking down before. for the fact that they've actually delivered or seemingly let's let them deliver on this reaffirmation. But I still think the consumer has headwinds here. I love Starbucks. I've owned the stock for much of the last five years. I have a very small position. I think I'm buying it lower. All right. Coming up, an update on Microsoft as the company's conference call continues.

36:16We'll bring you all the headlines from that next. Plus, two pharma stocks heading in opposite directions as investors digest the health of this morning's results, the details from the trade when Fast Money returns.

36:34Welcome back to Fast Money. A couple of pharma stocks moving in opposite directions after results this morning. Merck down nearly 10 percent for its worst day since 2021, despite an earnings beat and strong sales of its cancer drug Keytruda. Lighter Gardasil sales weighing on the stock with the company citing shipment issues in China. Pfizer, meantime, a brighter spot, closing two percent higher after blowing past earnings estimates, raising its full year outlook thanks to its broad cost-cutting program. The stock at its highest level since November. Karen, I know you were listening into the Mert call.

37:03Yeah, the Mert call at first, I thought it sort of overdone. But then I was listening to them talk about Gardasil. There was a sort of a stuffing, not stuffing the channels. The channels didn't continue to ask for more shipments. And they didn't have a good answer why. I praise them for kind of saying, we don't know exactly what happened there. You know, they talked about a bribery scandal earlier in the year. But they didn't really have a great answer. And I also was thinking, all right, now we're a month into the next quarter. And they still don't have an answer. So that's not great. It's a very important part of their sales.

37:36And actually, it's the second after Keytruda. It's the second biggest. And actually, the mix is more international than U.S., unlike Keytruda. So it is kind of a big deal. And I think you've got to wait and let it shake out. I think they did a good job on the call, as good as you could do. But it's a big question mark, and it should have been done. Yeah. Your Pfizer. Yeah, my Pfizer. Sure. Look, they actually beat. They've up gross margins a little bit. I think they're also being very conservative here. There's a dynamic around second generation products that are actually showing some real science here.

38:04I think there's some sense that they've got positive signs coming from oncology and a couple of their business lines. And then even things like Pax Low would have surprised. Apparently, you don't want to get excited about that because that's the reason the stock's been in the you know what. But it's it's it still needs a catalyst. But this is a stock that's now up 20 percent off those lows. All right. Coming up, P &G getting hit after reporting results this morning. How you should play that one from here. That is next. More Fast Money in 2.

38:39Welcome back to Fast Money. A quick check on Microsoft shares are now down by 5.8 percent. The earnings call started just a few minutes ago, about 20 minutes. Gene Munster has been listening in. Gene, what are some of the takeaways so far? Well, so far, it's been Satya's show with prepared remarks. The first piece is lots of numbers, lots of growth rates. One that stuck out to me was that the number of customers that they have for CoPilot doubled quarter on quarter, which sounds really good, but it's 10 ,000 customers, 10 ,000 seats, I should say, 10 ,000 seats. They've got like 300 million seats in total.

39:12So put that all in the context, we're still very early there. The topic of security came up and my ears perked up and they said nothing. CrowdStrike was not mentioned. We'll see if they tackle that in the prepared remarks. And so far, nothing related to co-pilot. The CFO, Amy Hood, is just taking the reins right now and we'll be getting guidance any minute. Did you say 10 ,000 co-pilot customers so far? Or seats. I misspoke there. It's seats. So it doubled quarter on quarter. It's great. Doubling quarter on a quarter is impressive. And there was lots of numbers that he gave out. It must have been 25 that were 50, 60, 70 percent growth.

39:51So lots of those numbers. That one stuck out to me in particular, still off of a very small base. Yeah. Gene, thanks. Thank you. All right. Let's get to the buzzkill here on a consumer name reported this morning. Procter & Gamble seeing its worst day in more than two years. The maker of Tide detergent and Pampers beat on EPS but missed on revenues, a company warning of continued weakness in China, flat pricing in the United The states play this record again because we're hitting it again and again and again. Over and over. And Procter & Gamble, which seems reasonable, maybe it's 23 times next year's.

40:24But you're talking about a company, maybe 6%, 7 % EPS in revenue growth, not that robust, recently just made an all-time high. I mean, they're talking about, again, a slowdown and people feeling the impact. So this is one lower left, upper right for the last two and a half years or so. I think you're looking for a place to buy it. But I don't think it's here. I still think there's more room on the downside. Yeah, I think, too. I just think they had this unbelievably opportune time during COVID to be passing along price increases. This is a stock, as you said, this was an$80 stock back in 2019.

40:55What does that mean? It doesn't mean a whole lot of anything other than the fact that on multiple. I actually think it's expensive relative to itself. And it's had an enormous move at a time when I think, if anything, these headwinds and these costs are going to make this company have more headwinds going forward. It's not over. Yeah. Yeah, I agree with everything they both said. I mean, I feel like the game's kind of over. They really worked it for, they really did a good job with it for a long time. All the price increases, yeah. And now the consumer's just pushing back. Yeah. I'm happy. Shrinkflation, price increase.

41:23They've shrank the bottles. Do you use, when you do your laundry, I'm assuming you do your laundry. I do my own laundry. Do you use the little, the pods? No. No. I use liquid. Those pods, they do seem like very, like you want to just, yeah. I mean, they look really good. That's like a gummy wild type of thing. No, I understand that. People are doing that. I'm not saying Q2. Yes, exactly. Dangerous. Listen, we started with some of the comments from Citibank and some of these banks. I mean, it's hard to paint a picture about the consumer. We heard resilience, resilience, resilience. What I'm hearing in Q2 earnings and then guidance is just that maybe some of that resilience is waning.

42:00Pepsi, P &G, McDonald's, the list goes on and on. You should wash in cold water, by the way. All the time, no matter what. Even white towels, you don't want to wash them hot? That shirt looks a little dingy, guy. Anyway, up next. Final trades.

42:25Final trade time, Tim. I feel like we should have talked about Diageo a little later on in the show. Anyway, 16 and a half times, cheap to itself, and it's international, Pierce. Karen. Merck, I am long. I didn't want to add, but I got to wait. Don't buy it yet. Three days at least. Dan. Yeah, I remain a seller of IGV. And by the way, Guy, you were so brat. What? Yeah. It's going to blow his mind. It's going to blow his mind that that's what you want. Wash your laundry in cold water. Met fans, I'm sorry. Another disappointing trade deadline in Metland. I think you buy Pinterest here, Mel. All right.

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