In short
Episode topic: Markets react to President Trump’s Iran escalation rhetoric and an 8 p.m. deadline to reopen the Strait of Hormuz; traders also debate inflation risk ahead of Friday’s CPI/PCE, with oil, airlines, crypto, memory stocks, and Tesla in focus.
Guests and backgrounds
Rebecca Babin, senior energy trader at CIBC Private Wealth; Ben Emmons, founder/CIO at FedWatch Advisors.
Key claims
- Iran deadline may not quickly normalize oil flows; meaningful tanker traffic (60–70 ships) could take 1–3 months due to rerouting/logistics and crew/insurance constraints.
- Energy spare capacity value is “decremented” if navigation freedom is uncertain, structurally supporting higher oil prices.
- Ben: core PCE could “shock” via energy-driven headline jumps spilling into services; Fed likely stays cautious and may signal rate hikes if acceleration persists.
Notable examples
- Oil WTI around $110–$112 after rhetoric; airlines raising bag fees and trimming capacity (e.g., Tuesday/Wednesday red-eyes).
- Memory rally: Seagate record high; Micron/Western Digital/Sandisk surge on bullish analyst notes.
- Tesla: J.P. Morgan warns lower-price-volume mix risk; underweight/145 target.
Written by AI. May contain mistakes. Listen to the episode to check what was said.
Chapters
Tap a time to open that second in VOMarket Reactions to Iran Developments
1:44 to 2:19
Discussion on how President Trump's comments affected the markets.
“And we start with another volatile day as the markets try to digest the latest comments about the Iran war from President Trump.”
White House Insights on Iran
2:19 to 3:51
Megan Casella reports on the latest developments from the White House.
“Frank, a lot of news from the White House today, with the top line being the president is appearing, at least for now, to be holding firm to his latest deadline of 8 p.m.”
Market Sentiment and President's Ultimatums
3:51 to 5:12
Panel discussion on how the markets react to the president's ultimatums.
“What do you make of just the president's rhetoric, a lot of very strong language related to Iran, and another deadline?”
Inflation and Its Impact on the Economy
5:12 to 7:25
Panelists discuss inflation pressures and upcoming CPI reports.
“And so I agree the market is really, if you would have heard this rhetoric and let's say, where would the VIX be 24, you know, whatever, 26 hours before this is going to happen?”
Consumer Impact of Rising Costs
7:25 to 9:36
Discussion on how inflation affects consumer behavior and sector performance.
“So last week, I think it was Amazon putting a 3.5 percent service charge on, you know, delivered goods, that sort of thing we're seeing.”
Energy Market Dynamics Amidst Geopolitical Tensions
9:36 to 12:34
Rebecca Babin explains the complexities of oil flows and energy markets.
“And I still think that this has been a great thing for energy in the short term.”
Long-Term Outlook for Energy Investments
12:34 to 14:01
Panel examines potential investment opportunities in energy amidst market changes.
“Those ships have moved to other locations.”
Impact of Hormuz on Energy Markets
14:01 to 17:45
Explore how geopolitical factors affect energy prices and market reactions.
“We rely on that spare capacity that Saudi Arabia and UAE have.”
The Future of Bitcoin Amidst Volatility
17:46 to 18:32
Discuss the current state of Bitcoin and its potential future amidst geopolitical tensions.
“A lot to talk about today, especially after the president's news conference earlier.”
Rising Costs in the Airline Industry
18:33 to 20:38
Examine how rising fuel costs affect airline pricing and consumer travel.
“Cryptocurrencies right now, looking at Bitcoin bouncing back above the$70 ,000 level today, but falling below that level on President Trump's comments about the Iran conflict.”
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Rising Costs in the Airline Industry
21:56 to 22:18
Examine how rising fuel costs affect airline pricing and consumer travel.
“That's a whole new pair of riding gloves and more.”
Surge in Memory Stocks
22:20 to 28:18
Analyze the recent performance and outlook of memory stocks in the market.
“Seagate closing at a record high, while Micron, Western Digital, and Sandisk all saw some outsized gains.”
Surge in Memory Stocks
28:23 to 28:34
Analyze the recent performance and outlook of memory stocks in the market.
“That's a whole new pair of riding gloves.”
Impact of Iran on Airline Stocks
28:34 to 30:03
Discover how the Iran war is affecting airline stocks and jet fuel prices.
“And welcome back to Fast Money with travelers just reeling from hours long TSA lines and higher prices due to soaring jet fuel costs, airline stocks.”
Delta Airlines and Market Expectations
30:03 to 33:11
Learn about Delta's upcoming earnings report and market expectations for airlines.
“As for Delta, it is the first airline to report its Q1 results.”
Inflation Data and Market Predictions
33:11 to 36:26
Explore how upcoming inflation data could impact the markets and Fed policy.
“But our next guest thinks a bullish backdrop is starting to build, but also warning, one piece of data could deliver a big shock to the whole market.”
Long-term Inflation Expectations
36:26 to 37:56
Understand the implications of persistent inflation expectations on the economy.
“But I feel we've had inflation for a long time.”
Gold and Market Concerns
37:56 to 40:07
Discuss the potential impact of geopolitical tensions on gold prices.
“And that's why I think not all together, I think you're keeping a high elevated inflation rate.”
Technical Analysis of DoorDash
40:07 to 42:00
Analyze the technical indicators for DoorDash amidst its recent struggles.
“He still thought he was nervous they were going to get his claim, right?”
Analyzing DoorDash's Market Position
42:00 to 42:50
A discussion on DoorDash's potential for growth based on market share and margins.
“Carter Wirth laying out the case for DoorDash.”
Tesla's Current Challenges
42:50 to 43:31
An analysis of Tesla's stock performance and risks as it approaches lower price points.
“DoorDash shares pulling back, as you can see on the chart.”
Debating Tesla's Future: Cars vs. Robotics
43:31 to 45:08
A conversation about the shifting focus of Tesla from car production to robotics and autonomous technologies.
“Morgan warning that a move into higher volume segments with lower price points poses a risk to that company.”
Market Trends in EV Sales
45:08 to 45:56
Discussion on the declining interest in new EVs versus rising demand for used EVs.
“Of course, he still has SpaceX, but he's very laser focused on robotics in your mind.”
Final Trades Insight
46:00 to 46:46
Participants share their final stock picks and insights.
“Also a good sport around the Brady Bunch hijinks.”
Transcript
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1:18And we're counting down to Friday's CPI report with the latest data suggests we could hear and what it could mean for the Fed's decision coming up later this month. Plus, memory stocks catch a bit how airlines are hoping to combat rising costs and Tesla sinks to a seven month low. What's behind the latest reversal in that EV stock and how much further one analyst said it could drop. I am Frank Holland in for Melissa Lee coming to you live from Studio B right here at the Nasdaq. On the desk tonight, we got Tim Seymour, Karen Feinerman, Dan Nathan, and Guy Adami. And we start with another volatile day as the markets try to digest the latest comments about the Iran war from President Trump.
1:55The S &P taking a sharp leg lower in the afternoon as the president maintained a Tuesday 8 p.m. deadline for Iran to open up or reopen the Strait of Four Moves. The benchmark did later recover, closing out a fourth straight day of gains, four days in a row there. Meanwhile, crude oil spiked on those same remarks. WTI and crude both settling right around 110 a barrel. For the latest on the war, let's get to our Megan Casella at the White House. Megan, what's the latest? Frank, a lot of news from the White House today, with the top line being the president is appearing, at least for now, to be holding firm to his latest deadline of 8 p.m.
2:29tomorrow for the Iranians to agree to some sort of a deal. Otherwise, at that point, he says he'll be targeting civilian infrastructure across the country. Take a listen. We're giving them, we're giving them till tomorrow, eight o 'clock Eastern time. And after that, they're going to have no bridges. They're going to have no power plants. Stone ages. Yeah. Frank clearly leaning into the idea of a further escalation to come there. But at other times in those remarks to reporters today, he also talked about negotiations being ongoing and said the White House at this point believes that the Iranians are negotiating in good faith.
3:07So leaving open leaving open some sort of a window there for some sort of diplomacy ordeal to take place before that deadline. But what is not yet clear at this point is what exactly a deal would need to include in order for the president not to follow through on this threat. Today, he did suggest that reopening the Strait of Hormuz would have to be a part of it. Listen in. We have to have a deal that's acceptable to me. And part of that deal is going to be we want free traffic of oil and everything else. Frank, so should be at least some good news for oil markets there. After last week, you'll remember, the president sort of suggested that he might be willing to walk away and let other countries negotiate a reopening of the strait.
3:45Frank? Yes, you're only going to have to figure out there. Megan Gisela, live from the White House. Let's talk about this for a second. I'm going to turn it over to you, Guy. What do you make of just the president's rhetoric, a lot of very strong language related to Iran, and another deadline? He continues to move these deadlines down. You and I, all of us, actually, We're talking about just the fact that when you give an ultimatum and you don't follow through with it, sometimes it emboldens the other side. And he does that all the time. I mean, I do not. I do. I mean, I give all all the time.
4:15Don't work. We always back down. I think the market and this is I'm speaking for myself here. I think the others will agree. The markets learn how to deal with the president's rhetoric and understanding timelines. And they're not necessarily etched in stone. So I think what's happening here, my opinion, the S &P is looking past this. They're saying there's going to be some sort of, I don't know, detente or for lack of a better word, some sort of agreement. The oil market's saying even if you have said agreement, it doesn't matter because the structural problems that exist now in the energy market are longstanding.
4:45I think that's why you see the elevated price in oil. That's why the VIX is still 24. And that's why the S &P is hanging around here, I think. All right, Karen, I saw you nodding. It sounds like you kind of agree with what Guy's saying. Yes, I actually agree with everything Guy said. I do think the market, when we look back to Liberation Day, which was an incredible jolt, right? That was just shocking. And then he walked it back. And then there was a lot of back and forth again and threatening different tariffs and sort of backing down. And so I agree the market is really, if you would have heard this rhetoric and let's say, where would the VIX be 24, you know, whatever, 26 hours before this is going to happen?
5:22I don't think 24 would have been the number. So I agree. This is the market is sort of digesting what Trump's mannerisms and how he likes to negotiate. So you mentioned Liberation Day. Obviously, we saw a big pop when the president put on Truth Social. I believe it's time to buy stocks now. And then later there was kind of a deal reached on the tariffs. Do you see a similar setup here where if you're not invested in this market, you're going to miss that pop? That is a great question. I never left the market because I wouldn't know when to get back in. So I'm always long. So I'm just staying long.
5:53But I think I don't know. That was an interesting moment of it seemed to be some some who had that news earlier than others. I don't know if they would try to not do that again. We'll see. Tim, I think we're at a place where we're balancing a lot of different dynamics for the market that might have even have been different at liberation time. I mean, the reality is that we have an inflation issue, even if it's not as much in the core. although all the data we've had over the last month, month and a half, and since the war begun, have been looking at data up until either March or even until the middle part of March.
6:28We're going to get a CPI number on Friday. It's important. But we had an ISM services, the biggest part of the economy. Input prices, you know, we're back to August of 22, those highs. We had a number of numbers last week. I just, you know, to me, the market has come from a place in the last week where if we were talking about this a week ago, it would be a lot easier to be more bullish, even though the rhetoric seemed like they were farther apart and the ultimatums were out there, but it didn't seem like there was a follow-through. We've now had a 5 % move in the S &P. We've had a VIX that started to make lower lows.
7:00It's kind of really at the bottom of an uptrend that started all the way back at Christmas. Let's see what happens. But I think stocks need to start with the 200-day moving average. Let's get there, and then let's figure out where we're going. So, Dan, there is some talk about a ceasefire. Axios put out a report earlier that the U.S., Iran, some other nations are working on that deal. But just your view of the market right now and the idea that inflation is weighing on a lot of different sectors and the consumer in particular. Yeah, we're starting to see, I guess, inflationary pressures work themselves back into the consumer, right?
7:29So last week, I think it was Amazon putting a 3.5 percent service charge on, you know, delivered goods, that sort of thing we're seeing. I know we're going to talk a little bit about the airlines and some of the new fees that we're seeing there. So ultimately, you know, the consumer is going to bear a big brunt of that if you go back a year to the tariffs. I mean, that was something that at the time there was a lot of pressure by the administration with companies not to pass through those costs. They were talking about this being somewhat transitory. Well, we know that's not the case either. So if you put those two situations together, the likelihood that you have a ceasefire and a lot of these input costs or at least the upward pressure on them abates, I don't think that's probably particularly likely.
8:05And, you know, David Rosenberg was out this morning and he was talking about every major recession in the U.S. post-World War II, except the pandemic, has been preceded by an oil spike where it's basically doubled off the lows. He said we're about 85 percent there. Now, obviously, we could get there. We could come back. It really wouldn't matter. But it really means what is the next state of oil? Where is it? Are we going back towards those$65 levels we were two months ago? Probably not. Right. So a 45-day ceasefire, it doesn't seem like something the Israelis are that interested in either. So if the straits not open, listen, make no mistake about it.
8:40I mean, they're going to push this stuff out. This is what we've all been conditioned to kind of expect here. And they're going to claim a little victory here. And we're going to have this going here. And we're going to have a couple months to figure this thing out. And so really, I guess the reaction by investors in the stock market is like one of what? Like we've had a very orderly sell-off over the last week, you know, month and a half or so. I just can't imagine that we're going to be in a situation like last year where we had a down 25 percent, what felt like in a straight line, and then a V reversal.
9:09I just think we're kind of moved beyond that right now. All right. I want to go back to what we were talking about, Karen. So you're invested. You're not taking money out the market. But are there certain sectors you want to put some more money into with the idea that we could see that Liberation Day kind of pop? I'm looking at consumer discretionary. It's down more than 5 percent since this start. I'm looking at industrial. It's actually down more than 6 percent. Would you feel comfortable in either one of those sectors? No, I'd go for energy. I'd like to see energy get if there if there was a resolution, I'd like to see energy come in a lot.
9:36And I still think that this has been a great thing for energy in the short term. But I do think that before this happened, there was a movement into energy. And I think that the valuation I'd love to see it come in. And that would be my first place to go. All right, Tim. I think it's I mean, that's that's that's fascinating. I agree with it. And I think energy companies are slowly rewriting. And, you know, you have these moves in energy where people aren't expecting it. I would just get back to I look at where we are in mega cap tech land and I look at the valuations here for the long term investor.
10:08I understand there's a problem with every one of these companies we could talk about. I mean, the top five market caps in the world. Having said that, where you are relative to the S &P in terms of valuation, where you are in a forward multiple in a Microsoft or in a meta. I mean, these are interesting times. And I understand we're massive CapEx budgets that, by the way, can be adjusted. So I'm not a huge bull here. Having said that, I think investors that are looking for these opportunities, Karen talked about that opportunity energy after you get that pullback. I agree with that. I think you've probably got that opportunity now in mega cap tech.
10:41Wait, mega cap tech, are you talking the tech sector, communication services? Because they've had very different performances since this started. I'm talking about Microsoft, Meta, Google, NVIDIA, and Taiwan Semi, which I think has got probably the cleanest story of the big tech companies. Guy, you've seen opportunities there as well. Mega Cab Tech, whether it's actually the tech sector, communication services sector, just big name tech stocks. It's name by name. We're going to talk about the whatchamafaces, the Microns and the Sandix, the memory names in a little while. But I think Google, to me, is sort of an outlier in terms of valuation, in terms of the moat they clearly still have, despite the fact that people thought it was probably gone a year or so ago.
11:20But I'm with Karen and Tim on the energy sector. I think this move, obviously, in crude oil sped things up. But I think it was a foregone conclusion that these names were going to be here at some point this year. I think the market's realizing that valuations still make a lot of sense. All right. Well, you might as well just stick with the energy sector right now. So even if Iran complies with President Trump's call to reopen the straight-up or moves by 8 p.m. tomorrow, our next guest does not see a quick fix for global oil flows. Let's bring in Rebecca Babin, senior energy trader at CIBC Private Wealth.
11:50Rebecca, thank you for joining us. Thanks for having me. All right. So there was a report we're going to talk about from Citrini. They say there's more flowing than we actually think that you can actually see online or through some of these services. But you're saying it's not a quick fix. Why not? Why aren't just more flows better for the price action? So I think when we talk about more flows, I think we need to put it in context. Fifteen ships is more flows than two. But it's well below the 60 to 70 ship tankers we need to see to have flows meaningfully restored. So, of course, it takes the edge off the top of where crude can go.
12:23when you start hearing people talk about 150, 200, seeing ships move maybe tightens that up a little bit, keeps you inside a 150. But if we talk about getting back to meaningful 60 ships moving through, that is a one to three month process. Why? Those ships have moved to other locations. They are going to Yanbu to take Aramco's barrels up through the Suez or in the Red Sea. So you've got to get all the logistical pieces in place to get those barrels going. And that's just not an overnight process because the whole system has been trying to reroute. And secondly, you need seafarers to want to take that trip.
13:03And that's not something that's going to be restored overnight easily, regardless of what anybody says. Even if the insurance is there, I think you've got to keep that in mind as well. So I think you're talking about one to two months, even if we end this tomorrow. You would imagine safety concerns would be top of mind, not only for the crews, but also for the companies that own the ships. They don't want to lose a ship. I do want to ask you one thing. The fact that we are seeing more flows for whatever reason, whether it's transactions allowing those ships to go through, doesn't that give at least some people peace of mind or shouldn't give you some peace of mind?
13:33This isn't just about ideology, that this is also about commerce and that they want to get these oil flowing and they want to make some money on it. So I think when you bring everything back to markets, for sure, it gives you peace of mind that barrels will find a way. And I think that's a theme that we've seen play out through many geopolitical events. If we look back to what happened in Russia, right, you sanctioned, you price capped, you get a bigger, dark fleet. It goes to the buyer who's willing to pay for it. I think, again, the market is focused on this barrels find a way. But when we look at the big picture of how big Hormuz is and how much of a lasting impact that can have if we lose freedom of navigation, that structurally changes the idea of the price of the barrel that travels through.
14:15We rely on that spare capacity that Saudi Arabia and UAE have. Anytime there's a price shock, we say, guess what? We've got this spare capacity. That's all behind Hormuz now. The value of that spare capacity is now decremented, right, because we don't know officially if we can get it. Which I think to Karen's point, when you see that pullback in energy equities, maybe you'll look at that and say this market may be structurally different moving forward. And so, Rebecca, first of all, thanks for being here, because it's great listening to an energy trader who also says there's no edge in trading headlight risk in energy.
14:49And you've been doing this for a long time. So but adding to that, this this sounds like this is an opportunity for investors that haven't been investing in energy. As you see it, there really is a change going on here, at least a longer a medium term change that could have energy positioning still be very underweight. I think if you're speaking to the equities, absolutely. I mean, what are they, 2.6 percent of the S &P? Maybe they ticked up over three over this last move. It's under owned. It's under loved. It's underweight there. Listen, we got to be careful here. We're not going to chase every rally.
15:21And I think that's the point. This is more of a trade after the trade, maybe where you look for that pocket. But I do think you're right. This is a medium term potential shift in trend and something to really focus on. And the flows, if they start to come into energy in a real meaningful way, typically what people do is they rent energy. They're renters, not holders, not buyers. Dance by the door. Right. And they're ready to exit. Maybe that changes and that does bring the sector kind of into a higher weight. Now, I do want to be careful. It's not buy at any valuation, right? These companies are going to release earnings.
15:54We want to see continued discipline, balance sheet strength, right? So that's all going to still matter. But I agree over the medium term, it might have changed the game a little bit. Rebecca, real quick, explain in terms of the backwardation and crude. I think there's a lot of thought that the market says in six months from now will be significantly lower. And that may be true, but it's not necessarily true. Backwardation historically is a very bullish indicator for commodities. Backwardation is at extreme levels right now. I think TI backwardation is at$11. We're at, you know, 110 front. Let's call it 98 in June.
16:27That just tells you the demand for the barrel now is extreme. And all those contracts, as that continues, roll up, roll up. They don't roll down, which is what you do when you're in contango. For sure, the curve says 70-ish, 72 by deck. But if they keep rolling up because that demand is there in the spot market, that's a higher market from there. Got to be careful, though. This is headline-driven. And as much as we go up, it can come out very quickly on one headline. So I don't recommend taking shots on headlines. You trade options, maybe a call spread, a defined risk-reward scenario where you play a range, but you know what you're going to lose if you're wrong.
17:08All right. With that said, Rebecca, before we let you go, looking at oil right now, WTI at about 112, Brenna at 109, almost 110. Where do you see it going in the near term? Frank, good question. I know you don't have a crystal ball. I don't have a crystal ball, and the headlines are going to make the front month super volatile. I'll say this. If we get anywhere near TI-85, I think you ask yourself the question, is this resolved on some kind of blow off to the downside? I'm a better buyer of the dip than chasing the rally. And to be honest with you, I'm not sure I'm short anywhere right now just with that headline risk.
17:43All right. Rebecca Babin, thank you so much for your time and your insight. A lot to talk about today, especially after the president's news conference earlier. Rebecca Babin. That's awesome, by the way. Better buyer of the dip. I mean, that's trader lingo right here. The trade after the trade. Backwardation. Call spread. I mean, there's a lot going on here. This could be options action. It could be everything. All right. All right. Am I good? You're great. You're great. Time for a second. Guy, we've got to bring you back. Dan already gave his review of all Rebecca's comments right there, even with the highlights.
18:14We have to have her back on without question. I'll say this, and I brought up backwardation because I think there's a belief that the curve is saying prices will be cheaper six months from now. That could be true. But as Rebecca correctly points out, it's not necessarily true. So be careful looking out at the curve and thinking there's going to be some relief in the near future. All right. Moving on. Cryptocurrencies right now, looking at Bitcoin bouncing back above the$70 ,000 level today, but falling below that level on President Trump's comments about the Iran conflict. Crypto-adjacent stocks like Strategy, Coinbase, Robinhood, and Circle, all of them higher as well, but all are still down sharply from their best levels of the year.
18:51Karen, I'm going to turn it over to you. Your thoughts about the moves when it comes to Bitcoin and crypto-related assets in general? So I'm long crypto. I haven't been for a long time. I'm staying long. I think that, you know, when things get really bad, crypto has actually not done well. In the last couple of years, it has done well. But I think that we need some legislative relief for it to really get going again. You know, it's funny you say that. I was actually talking to Franklin Templeton, the new head of their crypto division. And he says he's hearing that there's some progress when it comes to the Clarity Act.
19:22If you continue to see more progress, do you think just the progress alone? Forget about it. Progress alone, yes. Does that move Bitcoin higher? Yes, I think it does. I mean, it certainly took it dramatically lower when it fell apart. So I have to think it moves it higher. Tim? I think Bitcoin's here to stay. I think digital assets, we're in the first inning. We really are. Having said that, I think much in the way we've talked about energy term structure and having medium term adjustments to energy expectations, I think you've at least slowed down adoption. You have a lot of institutions that came in at$120.
19:55You have a lot of retail and a lot of brokers and advisors that suddenly were saying, we're now going to give you a 3 % to 5 % Bitcoin position. And I think they'll be fine in the long term. I actually do. But I do think some of this volatility that we've had for the last six months, and it's not just since the war began. It's been six to nine months of Bitcoin volatility, I think is something that will take some longer to play out. Yeah, right now, Bitcoin trading just under 70 ,000. All right, coming up, strong memory. We're going to dig into the surge in names like Sandisk, Micron, and Western Digital and why Wall Street is getting more bullish on that group.
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22:41Dan, coming over to you. Yeah, I mean, this is a tough one to chase here, right? This is something that was not on too many investors' radars about a year ago. If you think about Seagate in particular, it was probably trading about$60. Here we are right now at$453. I think we traded as high this morning as$470. And you say to yourself, OK, well, I think the story is pretty well known at this point. I was looking at the Morgan Stanley note. It did not appear that he raised numbers. He just put a nice little title on the thing saying it was a top pick. And, you know, if this is the last bastion of great performance in the AI trade, at least over the last year or so, you have to say to yourself, well, look at what's happened before this.
23:16Look at what's happened to the chip stocks. Look at what's happened to the hyperscalers, then the rack makers and, you know, the neoclouds and the list goes on and on. I'm not sure why you want to be chasing this. And, you know, Micron is a great example after that quarter in guidance that they gave a few weeks ago. I mean, that was a monster. It was like one of the best upsides I've ever seen on anything. And the stock went down, you know, 25 percent over the next couple of weeks. So, again, I think that if you own these things, fantastic. If you are thinking about owning them, I think you probably want to wait a little bit.
23:44Karen? I got to agree. I mean, yes, I think, you know, earnings will be gigantic, but this used to be a really cyclical business as recently as three months ago or six months ago. And so, you know, you can see a supply response and then you get a tiny bit of demand destruction. But your point on our noon call today about, well, if they're all feeding AI and AI is doing so great, why isn't AI trading better? And it just seems sort of somewhat of a cautionary tale for how these will ultimately end up trading. A lot of cautionary tales in this market these days. A lot of things to watch. Tim, I want to come over to you.
24:17What about valuation? That was one thing that the analysts point out. I'm looking at our metrics here on valuation. I'm not 100 % sure they're right. It might be off a bit, but Sandisk at nine times forward PE, Micron at four. I don't think that's quite right, but either way, below the market. Well, you know, NVIDIA at 18 times forward. I mean, you know, you say what you – I mean, I think I'm with this group here, which is that Sandisk is a 10-bagger. Seagate's a 10-bagger. And you couldn't give memory away. I think there'll be a point where we may not get back there, but I think we'll get back to a lot of memory out there.
24:50And I think we're describing essentially the sequencing of what's going on. If you own the semiconductors as a sector, you've watched different pieces outperform all the way through and you've watched the group continue to do very well, which is why I continue to watch the entire semi space, because it's it really is important to see relative new highs. I am not chasing a Seagate. I'm not chasing a SanDisk or a Micron. Those are really interesting forward multiples. But again, I would just go back to the mothership and look at NVIDIA right now. People don't know what multiple to put on it. I feel a lot more comfortable buying NVIDIA well below or at least below a market multiple here than I would some of these names that are below.
25:28But they're up eight times. All right. Big run up today for some of those names, though. We're going to turn our attention now to a news alert. A new addition to the S &P, convenience store operator Casey's General Stores is going to be added to the benchmark S &P 500 at the start of trading on Thursday. Tim, give it out. They must have something that you like. Cowboy hats, boots. What goes on in the general store? It's replacing MedTech Company Hologic, which is being bought by TPG Global. No, it's just like a convenience store. And gas station. General store guy. You have a general store in your town growing up?
25:58Who likes Staples? Hold on, Hunt. Put the one-year chart up of Casey's. Are you sure this is not like a memory story here? Straight up. Please give us a second. The S &P is so good at doing this, is putting in stocks after they've basically doubled in the last year. That's how they get in, though, right? I guess. They get big enough to. But it's not the best way to get in. That's where the phone was in town as well. Yeah. That's where you guys went in. They had to kind of crank it up for you. Yeah, I know you're making fun of me. I mean, it was hard, especially when you had to call an ambulance.
26:26I mean, a lot of sick people. Did they have running water there, too? Didn't make it through. At Casey's, we had running water. In my mind, this is turning to Casey's is like Potsy's there, the Fonz is there, and everybody's just kind of hanging out. Bag. Owls. On a more serious note, there's a lot more fast to come, and here is what's coming up next. Rising altitude and rising prices. Why your next trip to the airport could hit your wallet even harder as airlines look to offset the jump in jet fuel costs. Plus, Iran, oil, and the Fed. what our next guest is watching this week on the inflation front and the big shock he thinks could rattle the markets.
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28:54They've been under a lot of pressure since the start of the Iran war. Phil Abbeau joins us now with much more on the impact to the industry. Phil. And it's going to continue for some time, Frank. I think until you see steady flow of oil in the Strait of Hormuz and a decline, a steady decline that people can count on when it comes to oil prices and thus jet fuel prices, the airlines are going to be hurting. And as a result, take a look at what they're dealing with. Jet fuel prices, they have essentially doubled since the beginning of this year. The crack spread has just been killing the airlines.
29:26United and JetBlue last week raised bag fees. Don't be surprised if the others follow along and do the same thing. They've already put through two fair increases. I've heard talk of a third one possibly coming in soon. And they're also trimming capacity, mainly on your Tuesdays and Wednesdays, your red-eye flights, the least profitable flights. Those are the ones that the airlines are cutting. Keep in mind, capacity is still growing in the second quarter, though it continues to grow at a slower pace. Now it's expected to be up about 2 % year over year, though that could even be dropping down to maybe 1.7 or 1.5 % as the airlines continue to trim capacity.
30:03As for Delta, it is the first airline to report its Q1 results. That will be happening before the bell on Wednesday. It's interesting to listen to Delta and the CEO, Ed Bastian, not only talk about managing this, but also remember Delta has a refinery in Pennsylvania. So it is intimately familiar with the challenges of dealing with jet fuel and the prices that go along with that. Though, like everybody else, they may have their own refinery, but they're paying more for jet fuel like everyone else. We'll be talking with Ed Bastian. This is an exclusive you do not want to miss on Wednesday morning.
30:39The main question for Ed, how much is demand holding up? A couple of weeks ago, he said it was still strong, especially on the corporate side. Is that still the case, Frank? We'll find out on Wednesday morning on Squawk Box. Yeah, a lot to talk about there. I'm sure it's going to be a great interview. Our Phil LeBeau, thank you very much. Again, exclusive interview with the Delta CEO coming up on Wednesday morning. Tim, you're over there or not. I'm just going to turn over to you. How do you view the airline stocks right now? We were talking about these dips and maybe places to put money. Is this another place that maybe there's an opportunity for a big bounce?
31:08I think in the case of Delta, for sure. By the way, good for Ed Bastian. I mean, he's been one ahead of the curve and I think the peer group for some time now. The fact that they do have that refinery, it does seem to help. Delta, who filed an 8K, I don't know, two weeks ago, three weeks ago. We know these numbers are going to be solid. We know that they've upgraded EPS. We know it's going to be 7 % to 9%, and that actually, if you look at year over year, there's some really interesting margin gainers, including essentially their MRO business, which is maintenance and overhaul, and it's something that's a very high-margin business.
31:40I like Delta here. I've always liked Delta. Again, I've always said they were some of the greatest trading stocks, and I mean airlines. I think Delta is an investment, and I think it's cheap here, and I think you're going to get through this period, and you can own Delta now. All right, we're going to shift from travel back over to tech. We got a news alert on Broadcom. It's popping after hours. Our Julia Borstein has all the details. Julia. Broadcom, Google, and Anthropic expanding their collaboration as part of this deal. Anthropic will access 3.5 gigawatts TPU AI capacity starting in 2027. This all from an SEC filing revealing that Broadcom and Google have entered into a long-term agreement for Broadcom to develop and supply custom tensor processing units or TPUs for Google's future generations of TPUs.
32:26Also saying that there's a supply assurance agreement for Broadcom to supply networking and other components for Google's next generation AI racks up through 2031. Separately, Broadcom, Google and Anthropic have expanded their current strategic collaboration under which Anthropic, beginning in 2027, will access through Broadcom about 3.5 gigawatts as part of these next generation TPUs-based AI compute capacity committed by Anthropic. You see Broadcom shares now of about 3 percent. Back over to you. All right, I'll enjoy the foresting with the very latest on Broadcom. Coming up here on Fast, stocks in limbo with the conflict in Iran, weighs on markets and on oil prices.
33:11But our next guest thinks a bullish backdrop is starting to build, but also warning, one piece of data could deliver a big shock to the whole market. He lays out the full case coming up next. Fast Money back in two. Missed a moment of fast? Catch us anytime on the go. Follow the Fast Money podcast. We're back right after this.
33:39Welcome back to Fast Money. Stocks start in the week with a small gain as investors digest the latest developments out of the Middle East. The Dow jumping 165 points. The S &P and the Nasdaq both climbing right around a half a percent, both now riding four-day wind streaks. Crude oil also higher as well, with the president saying the Stradiv Hormuz deadline is now about 26 hours away. WTI settling above 112 a barrel. Meanwhile, new inflation data this week. It could rattle the markets as Iran war risk just continues. And let's bring in Ben Emmons, founder and chief investment officer at FedWatch Advisors.
34:12Ben, always good to see you. Good to see you, Frank. Sorry, I can be there, but it's great to see you. It's all right, man. We're going to work it out remotely. So, Ben, I want to go into your notes very quickly. You say coming up, the PCE report, it could be a shock for the markets. And you're looking at core PCE. You got to explain this one to me because core PCE is obviously without food and energy. What shock comes from core PCE? well frank i think we're looking at one of the inflation on friday will show a big jump now we saw the same thing play out in european numbers i've seen it's all driven by energy but as a result of headline jumping you do get an effect on four as well because it spills over into services in particular and i think we're in for a little harder number there actually headline being significantly higher.
34:58The key there is that if this sets the stage for several of these numbers to follow, because the shock is that substantial, that's, I think, a bearish signal to the markets. At least the narrative may shift from this de-escalation story around Iran to what will the Fed do in reaction to this inflation number. I think that's why it's important. All right, Ben, you do a lot of great writing about the Fed and your expectations for the Fed. How does this play out with the FOMC? I mean, could this potentially be seen as transitory? Could we see a resurgence of that thought that this is a temporary shock that's going to go away and things are going to normalize?
35:36I don't think so, Frank. I think they're very cautious about it this time because it's a similar kind of shock, if not bigger shock, to what we saw in Ukraine, where at that time it was viewed as like the economy reopens and there's this conflict, but it eases up quickly and it won't really matter to the prices too much. And that was a miscalculation. This time around, though, as Rebecca, the earlier guest, was describing, you do deal here with a significant disruption of flow of oil across the globe. So we're not just talking U.S. inflation. We're talking inflation everywhere, and it affects everything.
36:10So I think this Fed will be cautious. It will be watching this playing out in terms of the next two months. If these inflation numbers, as I say, show acceleration, I don't see this Fed sitting on its hands. It will start signaling that it wants to raise rates at some point. It's not an active inflation. Hey, Ben, it's Tim. No one cares my view on this. I'm sure they care more yours. But I feel we've had inflation for a long time. And I understand CORE has not shown it. But I look at CRB Rind. I look at input price costs that for months have gone higher. And we've seen it also in the ISM manufacturing, which is nice, because even though we're not a manufacturing economy, it's been nice to see that uptick.
36:50But talk to me about what's baked in and what just might not have fed through to the consumer yet. Do you have a call on that? And again, I'm not just talking about what's happened post-Duron. I'm talking about what's gone on for the last nine months. I think, Tim, that if you think of inflation, that, yeah, we had some moderation over the last sort of year up until, I guess, now, right, where we're going to see this data change. But within that, the expectations of inflation have never normalized the way the actual inflation did. And that's really key because people continue to think that inflation is going to be at least 3%, 4%, 5 % in the future as opposed to where headline inflation was ending around 2.5%.
37:34So that's clearly a difference. And if you take this energy shock and people read about it, then because I think about seeing higher gasoline prices, It's only going to go higher from here, not lower. And I think this is the real challenge, I think, for inflation going forward. In addition, that you have services that stay sticky, rents that haven't really come off too much. And that's why I think not all together, I think you're keeping a high elevated inflation rate. Hey, Ben, it's Karen. Thanks for being on. So what do you think that means then for the market? I think, Aaron, that one, if you think of the treasury market currently, we had a flattening of the yield curve throughout this conflict, mostly because we have been kind of playing with the thought that may have to move to a hike.
38:21It was even at some point we priced in about 50 % of the odds of a hike about a week and a half ago, sort of taken out. But the curve getting flatter is obviously not a good sign in terms of, like, one, it doesn't give much opportunity in fixed income. Two, it's maybe not as beneficial to banks. But three, for the macroeconomy, the flat yield curve is uncertainty. So I think that's what that says, I think. If you have inflation going accelerated higher and you're getting a flatter, further curve to ultimately potentially inversion, that's when the negative economic story comes about. All right.
38:56Ben Emmons from FedWatch Advisors. Ben, it is always a pleasure to see you. Thank you very much. Guy, I want to come over to you. You didn't really chime in, man. You didn't have a lot to say there. I got a lot to say. But, you know, we are a lot of people on the show. We have a 10-year auction on Wednesday with a 30-year auction on Wednesday. We got inflation data this week. This is the week where I think the bond vigilantes, if they want to play, they're going to do it. And I still remain yields are going higher for the wrong reasons. So we'll see how the rest of the week plays out. By the way, he gave us his, what he calls the war portfolio.
39:24I guess it's not his. It's what the market is doing. Overweight energy. Karen, you were just talking about this. Some cash and some gold. What do you think about that? Dan, Guy? Guy. Guy's been on the gold thing since like 1929. Yeah, since they found it for the first time. The gold standard. It's pulled back. It held a 200-day moving average. I don't think the gold story is over by any stretch of imagination. I think there's concern that some of these Middle Eastern countries may be selling gold. I have no indication that's been going on, but I think that's the overhang. I think when things get sorted out, the gold story is still intact.
39:56Remember that trip to Arizona for the Brady Bunch where the gold rush, Jim Bacchus locked him up in jail? That was who played, by the way. Mr. Howell. Mr. Howell. But it was all about gold. He still thought he was nervous they were going to get his claim, right? So So this is just interesting stuff when we talk about it. That's a deep pull right there, Tim. It left him in the lurch in the middle of the desert. Coming up, delivering a bounce with the Chartmaster Season Store for DoorDash. As the stock tries to climb back from being cut nearly in half, we got the technical take when Fast Money returns.
40:34And welcome back to Fast Money. Not the best start to the year for DoorDash. Those shares are down 31.5 % since January and off 46 % from their all-time high. But the chart master believes this food delivery stock, it actually could start delivering some gains. Carter Worth, you're here. What do the charts say? Let's get right to it, Frank. Yeah, what a disaster. And in general, buying stocks and downtrends is bad technique, but let's do a little bit of that. So first chart, they're all the same charts, a 49.81 % decline. That makes it over the past six months. There are 490 stocks in the S &P that are better.
41:10It's one of the worst in the entire index. Next iteration. What we find here, of course, is that the sell-off leaves it to the penny at this well-defined multi-year uptrend line. Third chart, same chart again, just with some arrows. It has literally responded to this line over and over and over to the penny, and it bounced last week at said line. Let's keep going. So last two charts. What we had, of course, was an epic bull trap of people playing for a breakout. In October, it was a trap, meaning bulls come in, money's drawn, and then it only disappoints. Now, we have the opposite. Final chart, a simple buy time.
41:51So again, a 50 % sell-off down to a well-defined trend line, doing something that's generally wrong as a matter of technique, but we're doing it, buying a stock in an aggressive downtrend for a prospective bounce. There we go. Carter Wirth laying out the case for DoorDash. Dan, I want to come over to you. Charlie laid out the technical case. How do you view his thesis and just the company in general? Yeah. If you have a favorable fundamental view that this company has nearly 70 percent market share in the delivery market that in what's called margins, gross margins expect to get better. They have this advertising business growing.
42:24We've seen this across a number of other digital businesses that should help margins, too. And so I look at the story and I say, you know what, you got a little support as it relates to the technicals there. And if you go into earnings and you see sort of, you know, some sort of anticipation of better margins, I think this stock trading about, you know, a market multiple should do better with revenue expectations for growth like 30 percent this year. So I like the setup here, both technical and from a fundamental standpoint. All right. We're going to leave the conversation there. DoorDash shares pulling back, as you can see on the chart.
42:53All right. Coming up with the trouble coming up, we are looking at the trouble with Tesla. The EV maker trading near seven month lows. There may be a lot more downside to come. while one Wall Street firm says the stock's about to lose its charge in a very big way. Also, here's a sneak peek at the Kramer cam. Jim's chatting exclusively with the CEO of U.S. food giant Cisco. Catch the full interview at the top of the hour on Mad Money. More fast in just two.
43:24And welcome back to Fast Money. Tesla dropping over 2 % today and closing at its lowest level since last September. Analyst at J.P. Morgan warning that a move into higher volume segments with lower price points poses a risk to that company. The firm reiterating its underweight rating and 145 price target. That's nearly 60 percent lower than today's close. Tim. Well, I think the dynamic around Tesla is one we've we've debated a long time. This is not a car company. So therefore, I'm not sure what we got so worked up on those deliveries. If you look at the chart in this one, though, this does appear at least a stock that's looking to find a bottom.
44:00And it's going to need to find a bottom on the next catalyst. Obviously, robo self-driving. I mean, these are things we've been waiting on. There's certainly some headlines out there. Never been my cup of tea in terms of valuation and what I would actually be investing in. Therefore, I leave this one alone. Karen. Yeah, I agree. I mean, you know, so the car now we used to be that the street was sort of ignoring the car story. Now they really are ignoring the car story because Tim said it doesn't matter whatever they deliver. It doesn't matter. But the promise of what is to come for robo taxi, autonomous vehicles and robots is so far out there.
44:39I know it's coming sooner and sooner, but, you know, that's not my strong suit delivering sort of what he said. But I wouldn't be shocked, though, if one day SpaceX, Tesla was all one thing. Similar to XAI and SpaceX kind of a combination. Yes. Yes. All right. Dan, any thoughts on this? By the way, I don't know if you've seen this. The former president of Tesla is out doing a book tour and he said the same thing you guys were saying, that Elon Musk has given up on cars. He feels like the Chinese are going to win, but he's all in on robotics and all of his efforts are going towards robotics. Does that make a difference that he's not so split?
45:10Of course, he still has SpaceX, but he's very laser focused on robotics in your mind. Yeah, I think that's the point that you're talking about. The robotics probably finds its way into SpaceX and XAI, that sort of thing. You know, it is interesting in the quarter that just ended that, you know, Tesla's cars were down 14 percent year over year. And if you look at I think it was used EVs are up 12 percent year over year. So you got rid of that credit. So it made those cars less interesting. Right. The tax credit late last year. And then you have EVs that really have not held their value particularly well of late.
45:41They did do well at some point during the pandemic, that sort of thing. So now people want used EVs and they don't want the new EVs and they're not even focused on them. So you're not going to see any innovation and you're going to see China flood, I guess, the planet, maybe not here with really cheap EVs. All right. Tesla shares pulling back about two percent today. All right. Coming up on Fast Money, final trades. Don't go anywhere.
46:09Welcome back. Time for final trades. Tim. Frank, great to have you here. Also a good sport around the Brady Bunch hijinks. Taiwan Semi, no hijinks there. I think it's the cleanest story in big tech. Karen. Yes. So, UNH, the CMS news, this is very big. The day they announced that flat rate in January, the stock closed the next day at 3.05. I'm sorry, 3.51. Now it's 3.05. It's better on much better news. Damn. Yeah, I like Carter's DoorDash call for a bounce into earnings. Happy birthday, Michelle DiMartino on the set here. Happy birthday. Broadcom, ABGO. What was your pick? Broadcom. All opinions expressed by the Fast Money participants are solely their opinions and do not reflect the opinions of CNBC or its parent company or affiliates and may have been previously disseminated by them on television, radio, internet, or another medium.
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Stocks kicking off the week with a slew of developments out of the Middle East. The market reaction ahead of President Trump’s Strait of Hormuz deadline, and the impact on oil prices with WTI Crude sitting at triple digits. Plus, how airlines are offsetting jet fuel costs with rising prices, the strong performance in memory stocks, and the “big shock” that could be waiting in this week’s inflation data.
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