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Podcast Summary: CNBC's "Fast Money" Episode Title: Stocks Snap Losing Streak… And Tesla Earnings On Deck (4/22/24) Host: Courtney Reagan, with traders Carter Worth, Courtney Garcia, Dan Nathan, and Guy Adami. Podcast Description: CNBC's "Fast Money" provides actionable insights into the stock market, focusing on significant financial news and trends.
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Episode Overview The episode discusses the recent recovery in stock markets following a tech-led sell-off, upcoming earnings from major tech companies, and the implications of these results for investors. The episode also touches on Bitcoin's performance following its halving event, the FTC's move to block Tapestry's acquisition of Capri Holdings, and the state of gold prices.
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Key Discussions
Stock Market Recovery
- Rebound After Sell-off:
- The S&P 500 gained nearly 1%, snapping a six-day losing streak.
- All 11 S&P 500 sectors were up, with technology stocks showing particular strength, led by Nvidia's 4% rise.
- Despite the recovery, the S&P is down over 4% in the past month.
Upcoming Big Tech Earnings
- Earnings Reports:
- Major companies like Meta, Microsoft, Alphabet, and Tesla are set to report earnings.
- Analysts express caution regarding expectations and the potential impact of these reports on market performance.
- Guy Adami suggests that investors may be experiencing FOMO (fear of missing out) as they position themselves ahead of earnings.
Bitcoin and Crypto Market
- Post-Halving Performance:
- Bitcoin prices have seen a rebound after its halving, which reduces miner rewards.
- Historical data indicates significant price increases in the months following prior halvings.
- Brian Kelly discusses the increasing institutional interest and the potential longer-term implications for Bitcoin.
FTC Block on Tapestry's Acquisition
- Merger Block:
- The FTC is moving to block Tapestry's $8.5 billion acquisition of Capri Holdings, raising concerns about market competition.
- Analysts express surprise at the FTC's decision, questioning the rationale behind blocking such mergers in the luxury sector.
Gold Market Dynamics
- Gold Price Reactions:
- Gold experienced its worst day since February 2023, driven by easing geopolitical tensions.
- Experts predict that while there may be temporary corrections, gold has a strong fundamental backing due to central bank purchases.
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Key Takeaways
- Market Sentiment:
- The current market is characterized by cautious optimism ahead of earnings, but concerns about overvaluation and economic conditions persist.
- Tech Stock Performance:
- Investors are advised to be cautious with tech stocks, particularly as fundamentals may not support continued high valuations.
- Bitcoin's Future:
- The halving event is expected to have a positive impact on Bitcoin prices, but the extent of future gains may be influenced by institutional participation.
- Geopolitical Factors:
- Geopolitical events can significantly impact not just gold, but Bitcoin's volatility as well, highlighting its evolving role in the market.
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Final Thoughts The episode highlights the complexities of navigating the current financial landscape, where investor sentiment can shift rapidly based on market news, earnings reports, and geopolitical developments. The discussions underscore the importance of meticulous analysis and strategic positioning for investors.
For more insights and detailed analyses on financial trends, tune into "Fast Money" nightly at 5 PM ET on CNBC.
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Transcript
Automatic transcript. May contain errors.0:00Live from the Nasdaq market site in the heart of New York City's Times Square. This is fast money. Here's what's on tap tonight. Big tech on deck. Meta, Microsoft, Alphabet, Tesla all set to report this week. But after the stock's recent sell-off, will the results give them a boost or more cause for concern? We're going to talk it out. Plus, a Bitcoin bounce. The halving has happened and prices are back on the rise. So can gains keep coming? And what's next for the crypto space? Our Bitcoin baller BK is here to break it down. And a deal under fire of the FTC moving to block Tapestry's acquisition of Michael Kors' parent Capri.
0:37Why the move? And what does it mean for the two companies' futures? I'm Courtney Reagan in this evening for Melissa Lee coming to you live from the studio. Be here at the Nasdaq Market Site. On the desk tonight, we have Carter Worth, Courtney Garcia, Dan Nathan, and Guy Adami. We're going to start with the sigh of relief for stocks. after last week's tech-led sell-off, the S &P 500 surging nearly 1 % to snap a six-day losing streak. The Dow gaining 250 points, the Nasdaq leading the charge up 1.1%. Markets did close off their highs of the session, though, and are still well below their recent records.
1:11The S &P down over 4 % in the past month, and the Nasdaq down nearly 6 % in that same period of time. All 11 S &P 500 sectors were in the green today, with tech the notable standout, Nvidia leading that group higher up more than 4 % for its best day in over a month. But of course, this comes after Friday's 10 % sell-off. In fact, all of the so-called Magnificent Seven stocks, with the exception of Tesla, finishing the day higher. This all happening as we get ready for big tech earnings kickoff. Meta reporting Wednesday after the close. Microsoft and Alphabet following suit on Thursday. Amazon and Apple on the docket for next week.
1:46So, how should investors interpret market moves ahead of these prints? Guy, I'm going to start with you. Welcome back. I know you're off for a little bit. Was today just sort of more of a reprieve? Is this a FOMO trade? You've got to be in before you hear the reports. What do you think? Yes, probably a little bit of all of those. It's great to have you on board. I think, look, the market's six straight days lower. Technically, I think the S &P traded down to and held the 100-day moving average. Carter can wax poetic about that. And the fact that nothing happened over the weekend, thank God, geopolitically, I think that was a bit of a reprieve as well.
2:20But I don't think we're out of the woods by any stretch. and earnings are going to go a long way in trying to figure that out. I'll say this quickly. Amazon next week, if you put up a chart and go back to November of 2021, you will see a textbook potential double top. So they better blow it out. And Microsoft this week at 31 times earnings, down maybe 7 % from its all-time high, that stock really has to prove itself as well. So I'm clearly not as enthusiastic going into earnings as other people might be. Yeah, I'd say proving it is really going to be really important over the next week or so. Because, again, I look at Netflix and how it responded to the quarter that they reported, which was great on the subscriber number.
2:58And really, you know, like down 9 % or so on Friday and a follow through today. And I say to myself, that is a matter of expectations, right? And so a lot of investors were like pricing this in, like looking a quarter out, two quarters out. Is this as good as it gets? And I look around today and I see the reaction. You know, the NASDAQ was up a little more than 1%. The S &P was up a little less than 1%. I see Apple basically flattish on the day. I see Google, which was up 1.5%. I see Amazon up 1.5%, but I saw Meta down on the day or flatish or something like that. I just don't see a lot of performance.
3:31Microsoft was up 0.5 % or something like that. So if the biggest names in the market that let us up for the better part of this year are the ones that are going to actually have the biggest S &P earnings contribution, right? I think that at some point in the not-so-distant future, I think investors are like, This might be as good as it gets in this cycle as we get through like Q1 and Q2 earnings. We have a strong dollar. We have, you know, higher rates. We have commodity input prices much higher. And I just kind of say to myself, you know what? Great performance this year. Maybe you take a little bit of a breather.
4:02Last year from the July highs, the October lows, we had 11 percent peak to drop decline. And we're only what, five percent or so? It's nothing. I mean, the give back is very minor in terms of duration and magnitude. We know that from the October low, a six-month move of almost 32 % for the NASDAQ 100, so we're down 7, 8. One way to say the headlines is it was up big today, right? But the real headline is from its peak as of Friday's close, the NDX was down 8%, and now it's down 7, meaning, OK, we bounce 1%. It's meaningless. The presumption is that this correction has more room to run. even though we're expecting first quarter earnings growth, Courtney, for the Magnificent Seven in aggregate to be 40 percent compared to the rest of the S &P 500 to be down 3 percent.
4:46Yeah, and I think what you're seeing right now is this rotation has really started. I already talked about this earlier in the year, but then they thought, oh, no, rates are coming down. Everybody continue to go into your growth sectors. But now with rates being higher, everything that's going on geopolitically, you're seeing how quickly things change and suddenly your value is actually outperforming your growth. You're seeing things like energy, things like gold are outperforming as people are going to those defensive sectors. This week is going to be that show me week. We're actually seeing all of the big tech sectors are going to be reporting this week.
5:12We're getting PC numbers out Friday. So everything I think people have been waiting for this week, if that value continues to outperform growth, I think that's likely going to continue. Or if we just see earning this week and people are right back in, that could just be the end of it. But this is the week that I think is going to really tell you. Dan, you also said it's a show me story for some of these stocks. So what do you want to hear about? More AI? Any partnerships with NVIDIA? I mean, what's the magic sauce that's going to turn you a little bit more bullish than what I was hearing you say?
5:36Yeah, I mean, NVIDIA is really interesting. They don't report until the end of May. If you think about the customer concentration that they have right there, it's Amazon, it's Meta, it's Google, and it's Microsoft. They're about 40 % of their revenues, right? And so this is going to be actually really important. I look at, again, I'm going back to what I saw today. I saw NVIDIA down 10 % on Friday but up 4.5%. Today is a$2.2 trillion market cap company. if Microsoft doesn't speak to higher enterprise spend or higher R &D spend, right? If we don't hear that across the board from some of these big customers, the semi-trade then is over.
6:07And it's over already because if you look away from NVIDIA, Intel has not really been participating. AMD is down 35 % from its March 8th highs, right? We're starting to see some massive bifurcation. So this semi-trade is just stuck in NVIDIA. So if some of their customers this week or over the next week and a half or so don't confirm the 80 % expected EPS growth this year, the 80 % expected sales growth this year, then NVIDIA is coming down too. And that's, to me, the last thing that's holding together the NASDAQ, at least at this stage of the game. Now, that being said, it's not too frequent.
6:39We look up and look at the S &P outperforming the NASDAQ, not at least that I can remember it in the last few years. That's going on right now. So it tells you the importance of these really, you know, top heavy names. But AMD had a good performance today. Who cares? It's done. It's over. I mean, the stock's broken. I mean, it literally is. It went up for no good reason, and now it's going down for a lot of good reasons. Also, it was up the most, right? It was up about 150 % from its October low. So there's proportionality to the giveback. The 37 % is having to do with how much it outperformed on the way up.
7:09When you look at the patterns of some of these names, the Magnificent Seven in particular, and I guess the ones that are reporting this week, Carter, what are your expectations? Any clues? Well, I mean, one thing to point out is that there's been no outperformance on the part of the Qs for more than three years. You might have some charts to annotate that. But if you were to go to the prior high, that's for January 2022, and watch the performance, you have the Nasdaq draws down 37 percent, the S &P 27, and they're even money over three years. So on a risk-adjusted basis, the queues have been a disaster.
7:37You see it on the screen there. That is a relative performance chart. All we've done is recouped all of the relative losses over the past three years. And if they don't deliver, which is, I think, Dan's implication, and they pull the ASML type move, we will have a lower market. What would you advise, Courtney, if folks want to get in on this Magnificent Seven trade, they haven't gotten there yet. Is it smart to do it ahead of some of these earnings reports? I mean, we absolutely still have exposure there. I don't think it's something you want to be out of by any means, but it's something I'm not chasing right now.
8:07That's not where I'm actively adding money. I'm definitely still adding money to things like banks have actually been outperforming your value companies, your energy. Like, that is where we've been adding all year. I'm still continuing to do that with new money. But I wouldn't get out of it. I would still make sure you have the exposure. I mean, if you don't have any, I mean, it's never too late to get in. I just wouldn't be chasing it either. And when we're talking about the patterns, obviously today felt a little bit better than Friday, of course, if you're bullish. But how much really stock can you put in the moves that we saw here today?
8:37I mean, just think about FOMO, guys, so much. No, I think you're right to think about that. And I think some of it's a relief. Again, technically, we traded down to levels where we should have bounced. It makes a lot of sense. Again, the fact that the weekend was relatively quiet makes sense. But for me, Court, I think the die was cast. And we talked about this that day on March 8th when you saw a huge reversal, specifically in NVIDIA and a couple of other names. Since that day, although the broader market went higher, NVIDIA has never reclaimed in those levels, obviously. You mentioned AMD. I mean, quickly about AMD.
9:09That stock reported, I think, was January 30th. I think that day it closed in the 180s. It traded lower on the back of earnings and then was off to the races. We're now significantly lower than we were their last earnings release. So some of these things are seemingly breaking down, not because they're bad companies, but because the valuations just got too excessive, in my opinion. Interesting stuff. I mean, meantime, the FTC, though, also blocking, moving to block, I should say, Tapestry's$8.5 billion acquisition of Cup Reholdings. This news just out here, a deal that is looking to combine three close competitors.
9:41Tapestry's Coach and Kate Spade brands and Capri's Michael Kors brand. Of course, there are others, but those are the biggest three. Tapestry responding to the agency's move, saying, quote, There is no question that this is a pro-competitive, pro-consumer deal and the FTC fundamentally misunderstands both the marketplace and the way in which consumers shop. CNBC.com reporter Gabrielle Von Roos joins us now for more. It's great to see you, Gabby. I know, obviously, this has been rumored for some time. Now we have confirmation officially from the FTC that they are suing to block this deal. What's your initial reaction?
10:16Great to see you, Courtney. And my initial reaction is this is putting cold water on big mega mergers that banks might be trying to get through. I mean, this is not the first time that the FTC under President Biden has blocked a merger of this size, blocked some other ones. And what does this mean for dealmaking moving forward? I mean, when this deal was first announced, all of the bankers that I spoke to, all of my sources in the industry, no one expected this to be one that the FTC would want to make an example out of. And when we started to see some inklings come out about this over the last week that they were considering bringing a lawsuit, I mean, there was a lot of shock in the industry, you know.
10:51So what does this mean for deals moving forward? And also just a lot of surprise that this is what this FTC is up to. Yeah, I think I was I was pretty surprised as well that this was one that they went after. But then it seems like the market warmed up to the idea because stocks, both these stocks in reaction are sort of hardly moving. So I think many people knew that this was coming down the pike. I find it very interesting when you would look at some of their partners. So some of the wholesale relationships they have with some of these bigger department stores that from my reporting and probably yours as well, we're looking forward to this deal.
11:22It sort of makes things a little bit more simple for them when they're dealing with the vendor relationships. and they still saw them as very independent brands because many consumers, I don't believe, really understand what parent company owns each of these brands. Yeah, that's exactly right. Consumers aren't thinking about Capri owning Jimmy Choo or Versace. And when you think that they also own Michael Kors, you would actually probably be surprised that they own all of those brands. And, you know, you mentioned the wholesalers, and that's kind of a big part of this, right? Because you have Capri's, Michael Kors, mid-tier luxury.
11:56You have Tapestry's Coach and Kate Spade, mid-tier luxury. All three of these brands are heavily present in mid-tier department stores like Macy's, but then they also have a huge presence in TJ Maxx and TJX companies. And in that case, that's what the FTC is saying, that it's going to kind of take away some of the competition. Obviously, Capri and Tapestry, before they decided to join up, they were watching very closely each other's prices, what kind of products they were pointing out. And that's that competition that the FTC wants to see. But their concern is, especially in the mid to lower tier where some of these brands end up when they get oversold and overly discounted, there's going to be less competition.
12:35And that could also be a concern for TJX as well, because you want to be able to offer these items at the right type of price for the type of customer that goes to these places. Because they would have a monopoly on these three brands, not to use that language, but that's the FTC's language. You know, would they still be able to offer that competitive pricing? Would the TJX customer, would the Macy's customer still want to buy these brands from those locations? I mean, here's the thing. This is tax dollars not at work. I mean, honestly, if you were the head of the commission, your team came to you with, this is what we're going to work on?
13:07I mean, they regulate milk for a reason and lights for a reason. Handbags and shoes, nobody cares. The whole thing is, what's the market cap of the two companies? 15 billion? I mean, Tesla traded 15 billion today. This is absurd. Yeah, it does really surprise me again, because when we look at these companies, to me, the brands sort of can stand on their own in the consumer's mind. They're so independent. And so putting together the two parent companies, to me, does not, you know, lower the competition. But, you know, I guess I'm not the FTC. Gabrielle, thank you so much for joining us here last minute on this breaking news.
13:41Appreciate it very much. Gabrielle Fonroux from CNBC.com. Guy, make you interested at all? And those two stocks, and you've talked about this, the market is trading as if they've been expecting this. It's doing nothing. And if you look at if you look at Tapestry real quick, we're up against levels. We last traded, I think, in the fall of 2021. The one that sticks out and we've talked about on this show, TJX just defies. I want to say logic. It actually, though, defies some of the other retailers. This is TJX's world. And it's 20 times earnings, probably twice the valuation of those other two companies we just talked about.
14:13You can actually still make a compelling case. They don't report until, I think, middle of May, May 22nd. Here's a name you want to stay with until earnings on May 22nd. One of the most fascinating names in retail to me, TJX. It's a fascinating company. Well, coming up, gold loses its shine. We are charging into the Tesla trade ahead of results and Bitcoin post-halving. How the cryptocurrency is faring and where it could be heading next. But first, TikTok nearing midnight as lawmakers prepare to vote on a divest or ban bill. What will it mean for the app's future and how much could it cost to use economy?
14:46More on that when Fast Money returns. You're watching Fast Money here on CNBC. We'll be right back.
15:01Welcome back to Fast Money. Time may be running out for TikTok. The Senate set to vote on a bill tomorrow that would force the app's owner, ByteDance, to sell the social media platform or face a ban in the U.S. That bill, part of a package that would also provide aid to Ukraine, Israel and Taiwan, was approved by the House over the weekend. For more on what's next for TikTok, let's go to Julia Borson. Hi, Julia. Good to see you. Hey, Courtney. That's right. TikTok is fighting this legislation. And if the bill is signed as expected, TikTok is expected to fight it in court. The company is saying that a ban would, quote, trample the free speech rights of 170 million Americans, devastate 7 million businesses and shutter a platform that contributes 24 billion dollars to the U.S.
15:44economy annually. Bernstein saying that if a TikTok ban does happen, then a potential 16 billion dollars in 2025 ad revenue could be up for grabs. and that Meta would be a big winner from a potential TikTok ban as it has the highest overlap in TikTok creators and Instagram and Facebook are most similar to TikTok in terms of product features. And with Americans spending more time on TikTok than any other social platform, in addition to the benefit to Meta, YouTube and also Snap could also see a boost in terms of user engagement as well as ad revenue. Bernstein projecting that if TikTok is banned, And Snap's revenue would grow 37 % next year versus 14 % with no ban.
16:29YouTube's would grow 23%, 10 percentage points higher than without a ban. While Meta's ad revenue would grow 18 % rather than 13%. So, Courtney, some really strong projections here about how all these other players would benefit. But this is still quite a ways off. Yeah, absolutely. I understand this could actually take years before it really went into place, even if things go the way we think it might tomorrow. Julia, thank you so much for the update on that. I mean, Dan, that's pretty interesting. $16 billion in ad revenue potentially up for grabs. Well, here's the flip side of that. All right.
17:01And I know this is something you track pretty closely. So Temu and Xi 'an. Oh, yeah, yeah. What if they stop advertising here, right? And so, like, it could be like that. I've been trying to figure out what this means for them. It could net out a bunch of it. I think, you know, Snap would probably be the biggest beneficiary in the near term just because of their revenue base. It would just be, like, that much more impactful. But, you know, again, this is not going to happen until after the election anyway. And so I just don't think it's something that a lot of investors in Meta, Google or Snap are going to be pricing in anytime soon.
17:28What do you think? I mean, Courtney, does this up the ante for any company that is operating with a connection to China here in the United States, even if it's an Alibaba, it's a e-commerce? So they're talking about privacy. But I mean, you're giving them information when you're ordering from Alibaba, right, to your personal details. I mean, does this put other companies potentially at risk? I mean, it absolutely does, right? I mean, the question is, is this actually going to go through legislation? And then, yeah, where does the buck stop from there? So I think you bring up a really good point.
17:56You know, it's interesting it comes in this year, which is going to be such a political football. I mean, if you're trying to get the Gen Z vote and you take away TikTok, I mean, I don't know. I don't know if that's really what they're trying to do with that, which is interesting. I honestly, I don't know if that'll go through. If they're really going to see a ban of TikTok, I think it would kind of be one of those, like, political Seawood side things that's happened. But that is the argument of who is it going to benefit. So I know we're talking about, OK, it could benefit Snapchat because they have the younger demographic just like TikTok does.
18:22I would argue actually Google will benefit because they have YouTube, which is definitely going to benefit them, probably more so even than a meta. But honestly, I think this is all just like a little too soon to talk about. I don't know if this is actually going to go through. I think it would be you're giving up votes to do this. I mean, realistically. Fair enough. Guy, what do you think? Too early to talk about the beneficiaries? No, I don't think so at all. But, you know, I think former President Trump will absolutely use this as a campaign. One of the things to campaign on. President Biden is taking away your TikTok.
18:51You know, look at me. I'm all for Facebook is getting more powerful. They're trying to help. You know those tweets are coming or whatever platform they use. Those are coming to a theater near you, but not the ones that win. Apple's in the crosshairs here, without question. I mean, we're thumbing our nose clearly at the Chinese, justified or not. They will retaliate in some way. And I've said this for a while. Apple finds themselves with a bullseye on their back. And the last couple of months, it's been trading that way. Yeah, that is a really interesting point. Of course, I've been thinking about Taimou and Sheehan, but Apple's a good point, too.
19:22Well, coming up, not all that glitters. Gold notching its worst day since February of 2023. So over a year. But after such a run-up this year, where could the yellow metal be heading? We're going to debate that next. Plus, shares of Tesla rolling downhill this year. Can anything from tomorrow's conference call cause the stock to do a U-turn? You never know with Mr. Musk. We are plugging in and checking the charge in the options pits ahead. You're watching Fast Money live from the Nasdaq Market Site in Times Square. We're back right after this.
19:58Welcome back to Fast Money. Gold dropping almost 3 % today. It's worst day since February of 2023. Over a year. The safe haven trade losing steam as worries ease over the conflict between Israel and Iran. The precious metal now negative over the past two weeks. Nikki Shields thinks the weakness is temporary, however. She's the head of metal strategy at MKS PAMP. Nikki, thanks so much for joining us here today. So this big drop today, you think it's just temporary? Look, I think you've got to put things in perspective, right? And since the October 7th Hamas attack, we've been up in a straight line,$600.
20:33So, yes, it's been a pretty, you know, deep one-day retraction. And I do think geopolitics did sort of kick things off into frothy territory. But this is so much more than geopolitics. What's happening in the gold move, it's happened against the backdrop where we've gone from seven Fed cuts to three to two. We've had a very strong dollar. And you've had geopolitics just simmering, but real interest rates are sitting at plus 2%. So this is a regime shift that I think gold is internalizing over the last few months. And geopolitics is just that sort of takes it into sort of over-frothy territory.
21:10So what's the next catalyst then if you've got so many potentially at play? I mean, I do think we go higher, but ultimately, you know, 2 ,500. But it's not going to be a straight line like it was the past six months. I do think a healthy correction is in play because I think you're going to get a lot more people involved who have missed this move. A lot of people, ETFs, have not really subscribed. We talk about strong physical demand, but it's not firing on all four out of five cylinders. So I do think some sort of correction, 23, 2200, and it just will re-rate to a less bullish trajectory going forward.
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21:48It's interesting. We talk about this as a safety trade. I think it's more than that as well. And it's great. You're the best person to have on today. But as we've talked about, 2022, central banks bought almost 70 billion dollars worth of gold record at the time. They did pretty much the same last year. They're probably on pace this year to do similar. So this is a central bank story, probably more than anything else. Thoughts on that? Absolutely. And I think it's this is what makes this time different. And you're so wary of saying that in anything in financial markets. Like, why is this time different?
22:17But this time is different versus all the other big gold rallies because you've been you've had physical and central bank buying that is coming in and they're increasingly less price sensitive. Like they've been in the 2011 gold spike in 2020. And so it does have a lot more legs and sort of a higher core foundation. What is your base case for what the Fed is going to do? And then how does that track with gold? You sort of mentioned at the top. My base case is, you know, it was three cuts is probably going to dial down to two for sure. But at the end of the day, does it really matter when gold still rallied and we went from seven cuts to two cuts?
22:53Right. So they're going to cut this year. I think they'll be constrained to cut. Two reasons. One, elections. And secondly, it's interest rate control. Like it's so it's they'll they'll cut. And, you know, I think gold will just price in a less bullish trajectory if they're not cutting as much as we expected. What about silver? Very bullish silver. I think if you play on that sort of U.S. exceptionalism theme, green revolution, it's taking a little bit from your sort of Bitcoin crowd who kind of sort of full up on that. I think it's both a gold proxy and a reflation proxy and a let's talk about the green revolution.
23:36And I think it fits into all of that. So very undervalued versus gold. Awesome stuff. Thank you. Thank you so much. Thank you. Carter, what do you make about gold? Well, the interesting one is silver, of course, and it's so far off its all-time high. It had the high in 1980, the Hunt brothers, when they tried to corner the market. And then again, it made it a double top in 2011. And that's at$50 an ounce. And we're sitting here at half that. So the beta trade, it's pejorative when people say poor man's gold, but silver is the interesting one here. Courtney, do you think gold has a place in a portfolio today?
24:07I do, but I agree with you guys here. It's been an essential big story. And I think the question is investor demand has actually been going down about 2022. So what is going to bring that in going forward without I mean, hopefully we don't see more geopolitical uncertainty. I think that's the thing that brings investor demand in, which like hopefully we don't see. So we do have it as part of an inflation hedge, which hasn't even been working as much of an inflation hedge as it has historically. I do think that's a piece in your portfolio. I'm not jumping with two feet, but it's it's been doing fantastic here.
24:35And I really wouldn't have seen that over the last couple of months. Dan, there was a really big move today. I mean, should we buy into anything? I would say this, you know, Carter, there's some technical levels. I mean, Nikki just said, you know, 2 ,200. That seems like the last flag that it made before it went up 200 points. That breakout level at 2 ,100, that was a massive base. Is that a multi-year sort of base? If you're a measured move sort of person, 1 ,600 to 2 ,100, you check back to that, and then you get to her$2 ,500 target if there's probably a reasonable sort of thing. So I would buy it technically for that.
25:06I don't see it melting away the way we saw it a couple times in the last few years after a big move because of the things that Guy just said. I think central banks are in there. Right. It's a proportion. It's nothing. I mean, the dip compared 1 ,600 an ounce to 2 ,400 an ounce, this is$100 an ounce. It's what you want if you're bullish something that's in an uptrend are dips and pullbacks. It resets something that's overdone. That allows you to go higher still. Fair enough. Coming up, Tesla results on deck. The EV maker sets report earnings tomorrow after the bell. After a really rough start to the year, investors are hoping for a charge in this trade.
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26:12Welcome back to Fast Money. Stocks rebounding after last week's big sell off the Dow. Climbing more than 250 points, have been up as much as 460. The S &P gaining nearly nine-tenths of a percent. And the NASDAQ jumping more than a percent. The S &P and NASDAQ both snapping six-day losing streaks. Well, China Tech jumping today to the K-Web ETF. that's up more than 4%, looking to get into positive territory for the year. Shares of Pinduoduo leading the charge up more than 9%. Matterport stock, that's up nearly, stock nearly tripling, I should say, news as the 3D data company is being bought by real estate data company CoStar.
26:48The deal valued at an estimated$1.6 billion. And some notable stock streaks on the losing side on Semi, Arista Networks, and GE Healthcare, all on seven-day losing streaks. Domino's Pizza notching its eighth down day in a row. That makes me hungry. On the positive side, Starbucks locking in its sixth day of gains after its own rough patch in early April. Some after hours action brings you shares of Cadence Design that's dropping despite a beat on the top and bottom line when they reported those results. But the second quarter guidance did come in light and Ford shares driving higher ahead of their results on Wednesday, more than 6 percent.
27:24Today, its biggest gain since December. So turning now to the Tesla slump. Another carmaker, the EV maker, shares caught in a seven-day funk, tying the longest losing streak last hit in December of 2022. Today's move coming after the company cut the price of its most popular vehicles and driver assistance system by as much as$2 ,000. Tesla set to report earnings after the bell tomorrow. The company already said Q1 deliveries were down nearly 9 % from a year ago, its first year-over-year drop since 2020. This name has really been sort of stuck in this downward trend. Carter, as you watch the technicals on this chart, what is it telling you?
28:06I mean, of all the factors that have been studied in markets, relative strength, relative performance, momentum come up aces every time. I mean, they're not infallible, but it's what works and it's reliable more than any other thing. And what do we know? This is poor relative strength. It's bearish price volume correlation. And it's why they call them often value traps. I would hardly use the word value, but a stock currency commodity index that's in an established downturn is usually right just to resist the temptation to buy. And, Courtney, I mean, this stock obviously gets so much attention, but now fundamentally, from a fundamental side, I should say, they're dropping prices on some of these models.
28:45I mean, does that worry you about the trajectory of the company? So even more than the technicals, what's actually going on internally? It absolutely does, and especially what's happening in China is they're in this price war right now. The question is, are they even going to be profitable in China with how much they're having to reduce prices? They're having to do that here in the U.S. also. They're also cutting marketing spend, which also, again, is not a good sign for the way they are going forward. And you're just seeing this consumer demand shift. Like in China, they have too many competitors.
29:11Here in the U.S., people are going towards hybrids instead of EVs. So what that means for their demand story, I think, is the question. I do think there's a stock you don't want to chase. But people who like Tesla, they continue to love it. They put$5.9 billion in individual investors into Tesla, despite the fact it's gone down so much. So I think people are going to continue to chase this. I wouldn't do so. I would stay on the sidelines here. But you are continuing to see people chase into that. I mean, obviously, this is a favorite stock of so many. People love to hear what Elon Musk is going to say.
29:39Dan, ahead of the results, what would you be doing here? Nothing. I mean, listen, it's a hard press right now. It's down 20 % just in the last month. It's down 65 % from those all-time highs. I mean, the series of lower highs and lower lows over the last two years. You know, people often ask, you know, why do you look at charts? And I'm just excluding you over there. The technicals have been leading the fundamentals in this story for two years. And so that's one of the reasons why I listen to a whole heck of a lot of what he has to say, because it's been literally pretty simple. And then if you think back over the last four quarters, this stock, the day after earnings, has sold off on average 10 percent.
30:14So anytime they have the opportunity to talk about their business currently and what they see, four times over the last year, the stock has sold off 10 % the next day. Right here, given how weak this stock has been of late, I mean, it's really hard. I mean, there's got to be something they could say. There has not been a good comment out of this company or anything in months and months. Early last year, when they basically, they being Tesla, told us it was peak trough in terms of margins, trough margins. It was going to reaccelerate. The market rewarded them. The stock basically doubled, went from 150 to 300 over the course of the next few months, which was a remarkable move.
30:51We've entirely round tripped that. And you said this is the stock that everybody loves. I mean, if you think about it, Dan just said it. I mean, the stock is 65 % off its all time high on a broader market than until last week has gone nothing but go straight up. So you can love it all you want. But the stock has been a disaster now for the better part of three years. I don't think you press to the downside. I think you're looking for an entry level. But I think the entry level is a lot lower than where we are right now. Oh, really interesting stuff. Well, let's see what the options market is betting on in this name.
31:19Hi, Mike. Hi there. The options market is implying a move of about the 10 % that Dan just referenced. Puts were outpacing calls today. It was actually basically the at-the-money puts that were the most active. I think there are some ways to play it. And a couple of numbers I am sort of thinking about and looking to. First of all, just with respect to the valuation question on where you would want to enter it, this was kind of the thing that I think Guy was saying. It's substantially lower. The street was looking for 367 a share for full year next year. That would represent better than 30 % year on year growth.
31:50I don't think they're going to get that number because you cannot see rising EPS if your unit sales are going down and your margins are going down at the exact same time. And with respect to China, it's BYD that they're competing with. BYD did about 3 million cars over the same period. Tesla did about 1.8. And they're able to produce these things at a lower price. So if you're not basically gaining a foothold in the biggest market for EVs, that's going to be a challenge. The Cybertruck being recalled is part of the problem. But even if it wasn't recalled, that was going to present a problem because it wasn't going to take on things like ICE cars like the F-150 for light-duty trucks.
32:26So they really have a tough road to hoe here. But if they do manage to get down to, you know, call it$110 or so, and they are going to keep better than$3 a share in EPS, that might be an interesting area. I think the way to play with options, I want to sell these high-priced options that expire at the end of this week. I was looking at selling both a calendar call spread and a calendar put spread. We sometimes call that a strangle swap, buying a longer-dated strangle, and then selling the near-dated one against it. And I'm using that$10 implied move to basically set those prices, looking at selling the 120 or 125 level strike on the downside, and then maybe the 155s or 160s on the upside.
33:07So you're selling the near-dated calls and puts and then buying ones that are further out in time. You want to capture not just this earnings with the options that you're buying, but the next one, too. This is a story that's going to play out over some time. I think this is the way you want to play this one. Interesting stuff. I always learn new strategies, Mike. Thank you very much for that. We will see what happens when Tesla reports. Well, coming up, the chart master is taking on the banks. Check out Schwab at a fresh 52-week high. Do the technicals tell the tale of more gains ahead? Well, we'll draw those lines so you can see it.
33:40You've got to stick around. That's coming up next. Plus, Bitcoin is having a moment, up nearly 5 % already since Friday's event. We'll bring in BK to help break down the bullish drivers behind this cryptocurrency. Fast Money will be right back.
34:05Welcome back to Fast Money. Shares of Charles Schwab popping over a percent today. The stock on a steady climb since last week's earnings report. Schwab nearly recovering all of its losses since the collapse of SVB in March of last year. So where's it going from here? Well, for a finer look at financials, let's turn to the chart master. Carter, Carter, what are you seeing in Schwab? Well, just as you've characterized a steady climb, we're going to look at Schwab and then American Express. Let's get right to it. So four identical Schwab charts. And you'll see here the first, of course, has no lines, no drawings, no annotations, no judgment.
34:37Let's put some lines in. Second iteration, this is the definition of converging trend lines. And you'll note, of course, in the next iteration how precise the stock is in relation to those lines. It touches it to the penny, to the penny, to the penny, over and over and over. This is very annoying to the CFA Society, the Harvard Business School, and to the Federal Reserve Bank. But guess what? It's how things work more often than not. final chart. Do we break out from this formation? That's the era that I've drawn, and that's my thinking. In terms of American Express, obviously, has had some very good action of late.
35:10Let's start out with the fact that since 1980, it has more than doubled the performance of the S &P, so a great franchise to be sure. But drilling down to the here and now, this is going back about 30 years, and we're up against the internal trend line that's been in effect since the dot-com peak, And then finally, more up close and personal, the here and now chart. We're far above the 150-day moving average. I think if you have it, you trim it, you sell calls, you buy a risk reversal, you do something rather than just staying blindly long. Guy, I'm going to sauce it up to you. What do you make of these charts?
35:43So if you put that chart with the lines, the downtrend line, Carter's probably right. But let the price be your guide here. I'd rather buy it on a breakout above call at 76 than to try to buy it now because here you're right up against resistance. With that said, the quarter is OK, but the price targets are anywhere between 75 and 80 bucks. People are not looking for all that much. So I'd rather buy the breakout above 76-ish than to buy it right here. Somewhat counterintuitive, but that's how I'd play it. All right. Well, coming up, crypto's glass looking half full. Bitcoin taking higher since completing its latest halving.
36:14That was on Friday. So what will it mean for the future of the cryptocurrency? The Bitcoin baller Brian Kelly joins the traders on set. And here's a sneak peek at the Kramer cam. Jim's chatting exclusively with the CEO of Barrick Gold. Catch that full interview at the top of the hour on Mad Money. Fast Money, though, will be right back.
36:35Welcome back to Fast Money. Bitcoin on the rise today after the cryptocurrency completed its fourth halving on Friday, which slashes the rewards paid to miners in half. The halving helps generate a scarcity effect for Bitcoin, slowing the rate at which coins are issued. It also could help generate big gains in the nine months after the last halving, which was in 2020. Bitcoin's price soared more than 450 percent. That's according to CoinMetrics. Joining us now to talk about the effects of the halving on all things crypto is our resident Bitcoin aficionado, Brian Kelly. It's great to have you here.
37:06Good to be here. So what do you expect? Are we going to see another 450 percent rise after this halving, or does that sort of dissipate each time? So I think it's certainly the halving effect is going to dissipate. If you talk about how many dollars into the market this is, you're talking about last week was about 60 million dollars a day of sell pressure. That's now cut in half to 30 million dollars a day. But you're talking about a trillion dollar market. So it's very, very small. So I think if anything, it's going to be the psychological impact of it and the fact that we're all saying, hey, look at this four year cycle that we have out there.
37:37Probably what's more important, though, is when you get to see some of these bigger brokerage firms come online. So Morgan Stanley, UBS, once they are online and they can have their customers start to come into Bitcoin, that's a lot of pent-up demand. What about with the ETFs? How does that change the game now? Because last halving, we didn't have ETFs. That's right. And I think actually it changes tremendously. That's why Morgan Stanley and UBS are so important because up to this point, they have not been able to buy those ETFs. Their clients have been able to buy it. So if you think about it, you now have an asset with the most demand it's ever going to have, right?
38:10You've got all these people just able to come on and supply has been cut. Coins on exchange are down. So you're having a whole bunch of pent up and potential demand hitting lower supply. To me, that's the bullish setup for Bitcoin. We had a segment on earlier where we were talking about gold. Do you think Bitcoin will ever be a safe haven type asset? I think eventually it could be, but I think we're talking 10 to 20 years down the road. I mean, this is really, it is still in the early stages of acceleration here. What did geopolitics, what kind of impact does that have on the price of Bitcoin?
38:42So it's had a positive impact until the last weekend, frankly, right? So Bitcoin was correlated very highly with gold. Anytime you'd have a geopolitical hiccup, you'd see Bitcoin catch a bit. Although over the weekend when we saw the Israel-Iran attacks, we saw Bitcoin dump. And I think it's kind of trying to figure out what its personality is his. And as it gets more ingrained into the financial system and there's more different type of traders, it's going to start to get correlated to other markets. It's interesting. It's great to have you on. My best to Brian Kelly, by the way. But one would have thought, I would have thought, it's traded extraordinarily well.
39:17But as the amount of Fed rate cuts continues to come down, and maybe they're getting religion, should it be trading better or should it be trading worse? That's really what I'm trying to struggle with here. I mean, you can make an argument either way. You could make an argument either way. I'll give you my argument on this. I think the Fed has told us that they're going to tolerate higher levels inflation to reduce the debt to GDP. What does that mean? That means that your buying power and your currency is going to go down. So your groceries are going up. You're just not going to have as much buying power.
39:46So to me, even if the Fed says, hey, as long as the Fed says we're not going to raise rates to 10 percent and really crush inflation, I think Bitcoin does well in the two scenarios that we're talking about, an even Fed or Fed rate cuts. Beeks, what are some other ways that, you know, some folks, I mean, now that these Bitcoin spot ETFs that you can get that sort of exposure, you can buy it on IRA if you want to, that sort of thing. What are some other ways that you're thinking about playing this? If you do take that 10 to 20 year view that it's going to be this ecosystem that's created other than the ETF, other than buying Bitcoin straight out, what are some other things that, you know, viewers should look at?
40:18Yeah, so I would look at some of the other coins. So that would be Ethereum. One, Ethereum and Solana are probably the two that you could buy this cycle, because those are going to be the ones that the new financial systems built on top of. So decentralized finance, heard about DeFi. Those are the two that are really in the lead for building that. You could also look towards the miners on that as well. Although the mining is a tough rough business. I mean, there's a lot of capital expenditure. You have to worry about electricity. But that's another way to kind of play the ecosystem. Fascinating stuff.
40:48Brian Kelly, thanks so much. It's great to see you again. And it's been a while since I've been able to see you in person officially. Courtney, do you think that Bitcoin, cryptocurrencies, have a place in everybody's portfolio these days? We actually don't have any exposure to this in our portfolio. I mean, I have investors who do this kind of speculative on the side. Because our take, at least for long-term investors, is there's really no use case for it. I can't buy anything with it. It doesn't pay a dividend. It doesn't have earnings. So the only way to really make money is if somebody else is going to buy it for you at a higher price in the future, which clearly is happening.
41:17But it really is speculative in our mind. So as a spec play, that's fine. As part of your long-term strategy, it's not something I play in. I'm still trying to figure it out. Carter, do the charts make any sense? Can you find patterns in these charts? Oh, sure. I mean, anything that's traded, the pattern typically repeats. So what we know is, of course, it was basically in 2021 in November. It was where it is now. It dropped 80 percent, and we've just now recovered to that former high of November of 2021. We're consolidating there, and the presumption is after you contend with a former high, you exceed it.
41:48That's fascinating. Still trying to figure it out, but I learn more every time I come on this show. Coming up next, it's already time for your final trades. We'll be right back.
42:03It's time for the final trade. Let's go around the horn. Carter, you get to kick us off. Sure. XBI, that's the SPDR biotech ETF, now down 20 % from its intermediate high. Buy for a bounce. And Courtney? We've talked a lot about commodities. We haven't talked about steel. I think U.S. deal is something that you want to make sure you're in at the moment. And that is X. Dan? If Carter thinks that Schwab's breaking out, then I think he can play the hood in sympathy. And Mr. Adami. Great having you, Courtney. What is Nick game tonight? What are your thoughts quickly? Nick's are going to blow it out, man.
42:33It's going to be great. Macy's should be trading at least$23, letter M. Thank you for watching Fast Money. It was great to have you. Mad Money with Jim Cramer, though, starts right now. Stick around for that.
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