In short
Fast Money episode centers on a late-day stock rally after President Trump said the U.S. is close to an Iran framework deal that would end fighting, reopen the Strait of Hormuz, and begin nuclear negotiations; markets also reacted to oil dropping from the 90s to the mid-$80s. Guests discuss: (1) Iran deal as “pushed-off” tail risk but not finalized (MOU, possible 60-day pause), with Israel still pressing on enrichment/missiles/proxies; (2) SpaceX’s 6/11/26 Nasdaq debut as a major IPO catalyst (priced at $135; ~$75B; ~4–5x oversubscribed; retail low-20% allocation; first trade possibly 1–3pm); (3) Oracle’s slide after a $20B capital raise and negative free cash flow; (4) Lenar weakness from lower home prices/incentives; (5) a potential gold-miners bounce (GDX) on Middle East relief.
Notable examples
EchoStar and AST Space Mobile options proxy trades; Knicks’ comeback boosting MSG Sports.
Guests
Karen Feinerman; Carter Worth; Bono and Eisen (traders); Stu Kaiser (Citi equity trading strategy).
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Chapters
Tap a time to open that second in VOMarket Surge and Political Developments
2:03 to 2:49
Discussion on the stock market surge due to political developments regarding Iran.
“And let's begin with the powerful stock market surge that we saw late day.”
Details on Iran Deal and Market Reactions
2:50 to 5:46
Analysis of President Trump's statements about a potential Iran deal and its impact on the markets.
“Some of them trying to clear up minute by minute.”
Negotiations and Market Sentiment
5:47 to 7:48
Discussing the implications of the Iran negotiations and current market sentiment.
“Stu Kaiser, listen, we always say, well, the market's not trading on Iran.”
Anticipation for SpaceX IPO
7:49 to 11:16
Exploring the upcoming SpaceX IPO and its historical significance.
“I mean, you're talking about the headlines, it's all green.”
Final Thoughts on SpaceX and Market Conditions
11:17 to 14:01
Analyzing SpaceX's IPO and discussing overall market conditions and investor outlook.
“And she's going to join us now because we've got some details, Leslie, but I think we're still waiting on details on, you know, size and indications.”
Discussion on SpaceX's IPO
14:01 to 15:44
Analysts discuss the implications and market perception of SpaceX's IPO.
“Leslie Picker, we'll see you in like five hours.”
Venture Capital Perspective on SpaceX
15:44 to 17:53
Laura Rippey explains how SpaceX's IPO could unlock venture capital opportunities.
“For more on this, let's bring in Laura Rippey, managing partner at Alumni Ventures.”
Impact of SpaceX on the Space Economy
17:53 to 20:14
Rippey discusses the potential growth in the space economy driven by SpaceX.
“So you must see a bunch of companies that we don't get to see, you know, smaller startup private companies you guys invest in in Alumni Ventures.”
Discussion on SpaceX's Future
20:14 to 21:25
Discussion continues on the future of SpaceX and its influence on the market.
“Folks, we don't need to say this, But be sure to tune in to CNBC all day tomorrow, starting at 5 a.m., continue coverage of the SpaceX IPO.”
Analysis of Oracle's Market Position
23:10 to 26:44
Analysts discuss Oracle's stock performance and implications for the tech sector.
“Oracle shares sliding as much as 11 % today.”
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Lenar's Earnings Report Discussion
26:44 to 28:02
Analysis of Lenar's earnings report and market performance following the report.
“You are watching Fast Money Live here at the home of the SpaceX IPO tomorrow.”
Lennar Earnings Report Analysis
28:28 to 31:35
A detailed analysis of Lennar's Q2 earnings and market challenges.
“They reported their second quarter results.”
Market Update on Economic Data
31:35 to 31:55
Discussion on recent stock market movements and economic indicators.
Gold and Mining Stocks Outlook
31:55 to 35:33
Exploration of gold prices, mining stocks, and market sentiment.
“President Trump today canceling his threatened strikes Mexican-Saran set potentially for this evening and saying that the framework of a peace deal is near.”
SpaceX's Anticipated IPO
35:33 to 37:54
Insights on SpaceX's upcoming IPO and trading strategies for options.
“SpaceX options may take a few days to start trading after the IPO, but that wait is not stopping options.”
Knicks' Historic NBA Comeback
38:10 to 42:00
Recap of the Knicks' incredible comeback in the NBA Finals and its implications.
“All right, SpaceX making its hotly anticipated NASDAQ debut.”
Stock Impact of Recent NBA Playoffs
42:00 to 42:25
Discussion on how the Knicks' playoff success has influenced stock prices.
“There's actually a stock impact of the story.”
Knicks Comeback: The Greatest Playoff Story
42:25 to 43:31
Analysis of the Knicks' incredible playoff comeback and its implications.
“Either way, that tip, the tip heard around the world, propelled the Knicks into the history books, wiping out a 29 point deficit in the second half.”
Evaluating Stock Valuations Amid Sports Success
43:31 to 44:39
Exploration of how sports team valuations affect stock prices and investment opportunities.
“Well, if they spin, right, they've been talking about spinning the Knicks, right, and the Rangers.”
Celebrity Presence at the Game
44:39 to 45:23
Description of the celebrities attending the Knicks game and their cultural impact.
“And I was like, I'm going to turn it off.”
Final Trades and Market Insights
45:23 to 46:53
Hosts share their final trades and thoughts on market trends.
“So your final trade is the chart that you showed.”
Transcript
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0:33And a really smart one you can set? Earning cash back on what you buy every day. And with Discover, you can. Get this. Discover automatically matches all the cash back you've earned at the end of your first year. Seriously, all of it. And we trust you to make smart decisions. After all, you listen to this show. See terms at discover.com slash credit card. Live from the Nasdaq Market Sight, right here in the heart of New York City's Times Square, this is Fast Money. Here's what's on tap. A Trump-infused stocks surge. Markets ripping higher as the president canceled planned evening strikes against Iran and says, again, that a peace deal or a deal of a deal is at hand.
1:16What we're hearing out of the Middle East ahead and just hours to lift off. SpaceX set to debut right here at the Nasdaq tomorrow. We have got the latest details on this blockbuster IPO. Everything you need to know and maybe some things you don't about the first trade. Plus, an Oracle hangover. The chart master bets on a bounce in the gold miners and how the Knicks championship run is not only giving fans a surge, but a stock as well. Hey, everybody. I am Brian Sullivan in for Melissa tonight coming to you live from Studio B right here at the Nasdaq. And on your desk tonight, Karen Feinerman, Carterworth, Bono and Eisen and Stu Kaiser, head of equity trading strategy at Citi.
2:01Welcome, everybody. Big show. And let's begin with the powerful stock market surge that we saw late day. The rally coming as President Trump canceling this evening's threatened strikes on Iran, indicating that a peace deal or a framework of a deal may indeed be near. The Dow and S &P rallying almost 2 percent. The Nasdaq soaring more than two and a half percent. The S &P 500 and Nasdaq both today wiping out yesterday's steep losses. And take a look at oil. It dropped. It was down already, but it dropped sharply right before the close. Crude is now in the mid -$80 range after trading in the 90s earlier in the session and 112 two months ago.
2:49Let's start off tonight by getting all the breaking developments. They are fast moving. Some of them trying to clear up minute by minute. Megan Casella in D.C. with more. Megan. Brian, that's absolutely right. President Trump says the U.S. is close to a deal with Iran that would end the fighting, reopen the Strait of Hormuz, and launch a new phase of negotiations over some of the nuclear issues that started the war in the first place. So while markets soared on this news, it is clear that this agreement is not yet set in stone. The president described documents as being in, quote, pretty final shape.
3:21And when he was asked how confident he was that it would be done this weekend, here's what he said. It'll be soon, maybe this weekend. And has the Supreme Leader approved this deal, sir? I understand the answer is yes. And when this deal is signed, is the United States going to immediately lift the blockade? Yes, that's part of the deal. Saying there that he understands the Supreme Leader has signed off on the deal, but a number of different Iranian state media outlets are all reporting that Iran has not yet reached a final conclusion about the agreement or signed off on any text. And Brian, the other caveat here is that even once finalized, it appears that this deal would be a memorandum of understanding that would launch negotiations on all of the more difficult issues, including things like what to do with Iran's highly enriched uranium and what to do about its enrichment program overall.
4:12So for now, we appear to be a step closer to reopening the strait and getting perhaps a more stable ceasefire in place. But the more difficult negotiations are all just getting started. Yes, as we discussed when the news broke, just to be clear, what we know about this is that this would be a framework, a deal of a deal or a 60 day pause on any aggression to create a later deal. Correct. This would not be, quote, the deal. That's absolutely right. And the president spoke for a long time in the Oval Office with reporters on this who tried to pin him down and get a few more of the details out of him.
4:46I mean, we weren't getting a whole lot of clarity. At one point, the president was asked what sort of a deadline might be in place. You and I spoke earlier, Brian, was it going to be 30 days, 60 or 90 days, at which point we would try to get a firmer deal in hand. And the president said, I don't want to put a deadline on that. I'll also flag that there was a fairly pointed statement put out by the Israeli prime minister's office, Netanyahu, where he said, while Israel isn't a party to this MOU, he says Israel appreciates the president's commitment to a number of these most difficult issues on enrichment infrastructure, on limiting missile production, on the cessation of Iran's support for its terrorist proxies in the region.
5:20Brian, just looking at those issues, these are things where there is no clarity that we'll be able to reach any sort of agreement with Iran on it. Clearly, Israel is holding firm on still needing to get that done. And that's what lies ahead, even once we get this one framework in hand. Yeah. And who we have negotiated with may not be some of the people that have control over the rockets, the missiles, the drones or the guns. That's right. So we'll see what happens. But for now, good news. And the market liked it. Megan Casella, thank you very much. Stu Kaiser, listen, we always say, well, the market's not trading on Iran.
5:52It's only trading on AI. Well, I think today the move showed maybe that's not entirely accurate. Yeah, I think to your point, it's good news. You know, the war was heating up again. It looked like we were going to get another shooting war. So it's good news that that seems to be kind of pushed off the table. To your point, though, we had taken down the tail risk pricing in oil by about 75 percent over the last couple of months. So the market equity market was largely kind of discounting that that the ceasefire remained in place. Again, you got some attacks over the last couple of weeks that I think had the market trying to reevaluate that.
6:22And the headlines today basically reversed that risk premium pretty quickly. And Karen, in a big way, I mean, I think it helped that the market was up. So the momentum was there. The buyers were there. this just kind of added a little bit of juice to the market. But are you a buyer? Well, I'm always long, so I'm a buyer all the time. But I think you're right. It added some juice. I mean, I don't know that any of us here would be surprised if this MOU didn't exactly come into fruition exactly over the weekend. And as they hope, that wouldn't surprise anyone. So I think the market really shrugs off a lot of what used to be much more, much bigger reactions to around news than they do now.
7:03We'll see. I think SpaceX matters. Yeah, I'll say I'll say sentiment indicator. I will add this so you don't have to say it. I'll say it. I've reported often there are numerous warring factions inside of Iran. It is entirely possible we wake up tomorrow and there's a headline of some kind of Iranian attack. And you're thinking, I thought we had a deal or a framework of a deal. It's because there are multiple people asserting control in that country. So it's entirely possible. Let's hope for peace. We have something totally different tomorrow. Yeah, I think that's not named SpaceX. That's right.
7:34Well, I think SpaceX is just the indicator, sort of a marker of a moment in time of euphoria or not euphoria or something. We'll see. But you're right. This is a difficult. Normally, we don't see the sausage making this much. We don't hear about an MOU and then back and forth. You hear about a deal, a diplomatic deal. It was a sloppy tape. I mean, you're talking about the headlines, it's all green. But, I mean, 180 issues in the S &P were down, 320. That's not a huge spread between the number up. We know that it was defensive stuff that was down. Staples were down. Utilities were down. Energy were down.
8:03But software was down. It's a major part of the sort of the market cap of the S &P and a major part of the economy. Mixed bag. I wouldn't say it's quite as good as the headlines and all the green would suggest. But you're talking about pre this headline, right? No, no, no. I'm talking about the close. You're talking about the close. So you even throw a little cold water. No, the data is the data. 320 stocks advanced, 180, and the S &P declined. Right? A lot of stocks didn't do as well as the market did. And, in fact, a very important area, software, was down, along with other defensive things.
8:35Not to say the software is defensive. Utilities were down. Staples were down. So forth and so forth. Okay. So facts matter. Facts matter. Data matters. Bonham and I said facts matter. He just gave the facts. I also know the S &P rose 2%. 2 percent. The Nasdaq was up two and a half percent. So something mattered today. What mattered to you? Listen, I think it's tough to argue that the whole situation around Iran and the straight-up from O's is not impacting markets. Today's price action, top line to Carter's point, albeit it's still very impactful. We're talking about several percentage points in terms of reversal today.
9:12Again, I want to underscore that Carter brings of an important point, but I think that that condition has held true. If you look at the week ending June 2nd, we still had a situation where despite that rally, it was very narrow in scope. So in terms of the concentration of advance and decliners, that has been the condition over the last several weeks. So I do think it is noteworthy, but it's not inconsistent with what we have seen leading up to this. I think the other thing that's important is the inflationary backdrop. We got CPI and PPI numbers. There seem to be some divergence between core and the headline number.
9:47And I think any alleviation that we get on energy and input costs around this around situation definitely is positive for stocks at the market. Yeah, it was a positive day today. All right, Stu, we're going to jump ahead in the rundown, as we say, because I am told there is something big happening here tomorrow. That event is the SpaceX IPO. It is going to be the biggest IPO in American history. It may be the biggest in global history. $1.7 trillion cap, but the float not expected to be too much. We're hearing four, maybe five times oversubscribed. I understand you guys at Citi on the book, so you can't go into the SpaceX details.
10:31But can you talk to us in a macro way about what it might mean for the market writ large? Yeah, I think what you're seeing here is a lot of excitement about that IPO in particular. But bigger picture, there's a view that you have multiple other IPOs later in the year. You had Meta, you had Amazon, you had Google on the tape last week, kind of introducing more equity supply. You've had convertible bond supply. You've had IG bond supply. So I think what you're seeing here is over the last couple of weeks, the market's kind of reevaluating the amount of supply of new assets that are going to hit the market both this week and also for the balance of the year.
11:04And I think that's one of the reasons you're seeing kind of a mixed tape lately. And, you know, I would expect that part of it to continue because it is a lot of supply across asset in large cap tech to fund this buildup. Well, let's get more details on what I'm told is a pretty big deal. You know what else is a big deal? Leslie Picker. And she's going to join us now because we've got some details, Leslie, but I think we're still waiting on details on, you know, size and indications. And can you pick, see what I did there, a time where we think we know when the first trade might occur? Oh, gosh.
11:44It's anyone's guess at this point in time, Brian, when the first trade will be. But I would bet you should set aside some time in the afternoon, maybe between 1 and 3. This is the largest IPO ever, as you point out. So we've never really seen how long it will take to open something that's$75 billion in size. And SpaceX just, you know, within the last hour and a half or so, saying in a filing that it has officially priced at$135 per share, now the largest IPO of all time officially. I've been chatting with sources close to this one on how the book all came together. I'm told that in the end it was almost five times oversubscribed.
12:27In other words, five times as many indications of interest as there were shares available. Those are non-binding orders, though. Now the process begins where the banks and brokerages will reach out to investors to inform them how much allocation they actually received, and those orders will come through. In terms of the makeup of the offering, I'm told retail is going to get the low 20 % of the IPO. That includes private bank clients, international retail, and e-brokers like Robinhood and SoFi. I'm told that domestic retail demand was a lot bigger than international, but it's a deeper market and one where Elon Musk, of course, has a long track record of retail support.
13:06Still, that low 20s number, slightly smaller than the 30 percent we had been told the company was targeting. I'm told the top of the book is pretty well concentrated among long onlys and that there were cutbacks in the middle and the bottom of the book, largely hedge funds that put in what the bankers perceived to be highly inflated orders. Now, we'll see if the cutbacks were high enough to stimulate aftermarket demand tomorrow when the shares begin trading. At what time, Brian? I couldn't tell you, but hopefully it happens sometime tomorrow afternoon. I would say, Leslie Picker, thank you. And I'm just 2.01 p.m.
13:43Eastern time would be a perfect time for SpaceX to begin trading. That's what else happens at 2.01. I just randomly grabbed that time out of the air. I'm 202, 159, somewhere around that. Maybe the 01. It makes it a little. Well, right. You know, welcome to Power Lunch. SpaceX is trading. Sounds nice. Leslie Picker, we'll see you in like five hours. Back on CNBC Live. Leslie, thank you. Karen, your take on SpaceX. Well, it's fascinating as a sort of moment in time. You know, I'm very value-oriented. The fundamentals here are sort of hard to. Not value-oriented? Yeah, not value-oriented. Exactly.
14:19Exactly. I mean, it's it's I mean, a couple of things have happened that one could consider negative, but they I don't think they will be. You know, the blue origin blow up last week. You could say, oh, it's positive because of competitor or it shows a lot of risk in the business. The other thing is, you know, the I don't know who from Iran you might know better than I said about Elon Musk properties, Starlink and whatnot, that they would be considered, you know, viable targets. Right. That's probably also not a good thing. But maybe let's dismiss that as well. Just the aura around Elon is so extraordinary that I think it will trade.
14:54It will trade up decently, probably not where it would have two or three weeks ago, for sure. But does it matter how well if the stock goes up 100 percent or 80 percent or 10 percent? Does it matter? Matters that doesn't go down. Remember when when when underwriters would hold they would never let it break deal price because that would be embarrassing. Is there a syndicate bid at 135? It's saying that's what's going to happen. It has happened. I don't think it's going to happen tomorrow. I think, you know, the incredible thing is it just shows how darn big Saudi Aramco was. Remember, the valuation of that IPO was$1.7 trillion.
15:26That was in 2019. The valuation of Spaces is$1.7 trillion. The S &P has more than doubled since then. So on a percentage basis, it just shows how big Saudi Aramco's IPO was. This is the same five years later in a market that's doubled. So on a relative basis, that's still the biggest by far of all time. All right. For more on this, let's bring in Laura Rippey, managing partner at Alumni Ventures. Laura, you do this for a living. Good to see you as well. Wish you were on set like you normally are. What do you make of SpaceX? What is it? Why does it matter so much? Why are we so captivated by this company?
16:01We are, aren't we? It's a big day, Brian. Yeah, I think the venture perspective on this is the unlock that comes after SpaceX. Right. We've got incredible talent within the company. We've got a whole bunch of capital that gets unlocked once the IPO happens. And then a whole slew of new companies can be formed. So for us, it's looking around the corner and understanding where the space economy can go and how this is just an incredible unlock for the venture industry. We couldn't be more excited. How? Connect the dots. Why does this one matter so much for the venture industry? Because there's this there's this Elon Musk guy that when he gets involved in things, it tends to generate more attention.
16:46But does it seep through to the ninety nine point nine percent of the market? That's not Elon Musk. Yeah. So let's put this in context of what happened when AWS dropped the cost of hosting by ninety seven percent. Suddenly we had a whole boatload of companies like DoorDash and Airbnb and the like. because hosting costs cut down. In the same way with SpaceX, the value that SpaceX has brought to the space industry is reducing the cost of getting loads from the Earth to low Earth orbit. So that suddenly says we can do things like manufacture in space. We need the communications for space. We have an entire defense opportunity in the space world.
17:31We have logistics that need to happen, moving things around, all of those companies. future incredible venture-backed superstars that get unlocked because SpaceX has a position in the space economy to really grow it. And with this new capital, it is an exciting moment in time for the space economy. So you must see a bunch of companies that we don't get to see, you know, smaller startup private companies you guys invest in in Alumni Ventures. I hate to use the term halo around a space company, but I have to do it because I don't know what else to do, so it's not a dad joke. But how big is the SpaceX halo then for other companies?
18:13It's very large. So last year, there was$55 billion of venture capital that went into space economy companies. Great example. We've done a lot of this, right? Varda, Axiom, Northwood, Hawkeye. The one that I would highlight is impulse space, because it really speaks to the fact that there is talent and there is also capital that gets released. So Impulse Space, the founder is the first employee at SpaceX. Tom Mueller, he was literally Elon Musk's first hire. The president and chief operating officer was the number 13 employee. So the classic example of talent that leaves SpaceX and starts something else.
18:51Now, we've been backing Impulse Space since the A, We're going to be we're going to see. They just did a D, a five hundred million dollar D. And the lead investor was a venture capital firm that has a very significant early position in SpaceX, a 10 billion dollar value position right now. They just raised a big round and now they're backing impulse space as the heir to the SpaceX future, because what impulse space does is really pick up where SpaceX leaves off. SpaceX takes loads from the Earth to low Earth orbit, and impulse space moves those loads more broadly into GEO, into the further space.
19:36So really tied together with talent and capital, it's emblematic of what we're going to see in the space economy with this IPO. Could not be more excited. Wow. I just looked on their website. They have 145 open positions for jobs. impulse space. They want to hire 145 people for a company that probably has 145 people. Yeah. So they have$200 million in booked revenue. So they need the people to deliver on that revenue. Yeah. Pretty amazing stuff. A rocket ship called Rideshare. I hope we're on it someday. Who knows? Laura Rippey, thank you very much. Folks, we don't need to say this, But be sure to tune in to CNBC all day tomorrow, starting at 5 a.m., continue coverage of the SpaceX IPO.
20:25Kick it off. Morgan Brennan's got a big interview with the COO of SpaceX. Then you've got the opening bell at the NASDAQ. And then we're going to wait for that thing to open up. Full team coverage, 5 a.m. Anybody want to, like, just go? Bono, when you got, like, should we do, like, a pool, like a World Cup pool, like when this first trade will happen? Just guess the time. Let's have some fun with it. I thought with the pools, you just fill out these random sheets, and then the numbers are assigned thereafter. So, sure, I mean, if you want a random guess, who are you, 201? I'll raise your 201 to 209.
20:58Your price is right at me. That's unbelievable. Carter, you want to just take a guess on a time? I'll split the difference. Put me in at 205. Look at that. I love it. Karen? All right. Well, I'll go in at 930, and I have all that open space between that and 209. Oh, that's right, because if we go over, we lose. Okay, Karen Feinerman. As usual, out thinking us all. Coming up, shares of Lenar, the home builder, on the move after reporting the details and numbers of the home builder's quarter next. But first, Oracle's big software slide. The shares down today because they're selling more stock. What our traders make of that drop and more when fast money returns.
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22:41It's smart to always have a few financial goals and a really smart one you can set. Earning cash back on what you buy every day. And with Discover, you can. Get this. Discover automatically matches all the cash back you've earned at the end of your first year. Seriously, all of it. And we trust you to make smart decisions. After all, you listen to this show. See terms at discover.com slash credit card. All right, welcome back to Fast Money. Oracle shares sliding as much as 11 % today. They did it in the day off their lows. The market came up. Drop coming after the company said that it's planning to offer an additional$20 billion in capital raise and expecting negative free cash flow.
23:26Shares now down about 6%, Karen, on the year. Your take on Oracle. So clearly the street was somewhat surprised, sort of. Not about the capital raise, but we've seen it, you know, starting with Google. And as you said at the top of the show, all the others coming to market in the same space. So that's going to be difficult. Also, the software part of the business was disappointing. So that was sort of adding to the IGV today. I mean, the RPO is good, but we just need to go from RPO to actually, you know, building the product and actually delivering. So that's the hard part. I don't own it. It's not crazy expensive, but I'd rather play it other ways.
24:09Yeah, I think the current point of this just sort of checks all the boxes of what people are worried about in the space. Right. The software revenues aren't great, apparently. And you're raising more cash and you have negative free cash flow. I mean, it's funny. I think in September I was on the show the day Oracle reported and it was sort of a similar reaction. In that case, the stock rallied. But very quickly, you know, people started to fade it, you know, for all these reasons. I think negative free cash flow has just really become a huge talking point across across large cap tech. and they've checked that box again.
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24:34Was that the day with the giant RPO that was just a mind-blowing RPO? Yep. And the interesting takeaway back then was it's great they want to do this. The problem is they're not going to have the supply to do it, which is proven prophetic, right? You're not talking about run-pass option RPO, nor are you talking about an REO and a speed wagon. Can you explain what the RPO means? Remaining performance obligation. What backlog? What is the backlog of orders to fill? Thank you. I was asking for a friend. Bono and Eisen. There's a couple of things at play. You have the XAI or sorry, the open AI concentration, which is somewhat concerning there.
25:09And then when you look at it versus Visa, Visa's peers, you have all these other hyperscalers that have essentially been able to use their massive free cash flow balances to fund these CapEx plans and Oracle's on the other side of that spectrum. So when you just kind of look at a situation that's kind of been under scrutiny as of late and you add on top of the leverage and increasing leverage, and then their signaling of when this RPO will translate, it just makes for a much more precarious situation. Stock has almost round tripped what it's done off of the bottom after that 330 high. Bonwin, do you think that Oracle is reflective of AI at all or is Oracle because of its debt load, because of its kind of coming in hot?
25:50Not only said it left field, but it's not a Google in a way. Is Oracle reflective of anything else? I think it kind of is in between, you know, your bellwether or let's say household names in terms of AI and the more speculative aspects because of their need to tap the capital markets. So when you look at companies that aren't making money yet, clearly that's all the way out on the speculative spectrum. But if you're looking at the fact that they're now having to massively change what their balance sheet looks like to continue to meet these RPOs, it kind of is in the middle. And I think, you know, because of that, it gets punished when there is opaqueness in terms of what the revenue outlook looks like.
26:34All right. Good stuff. All right. Coming up, we're going to shift from software to building houses. Lenore, on the move after reporting earnings. We'll get the details. We'll get the numbers and the trade coming up next. You are watching Fast Money Live here at the home of the SpaceX IPO tomorrow. Karen says, I'm going to sleep tonight. We're back right after this.
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28:28All right, you see the earnings alert. There you go. Lenar shares are on the move. They reported their second quarter results. Revenue coming in slightly under Wall Street estimates. Diana Lick has more on the numbers. And what's going on, Diana? Well, Brian, EPS was in line, but revenues light due to lower home prices. I'll get to that in a second. But investors and analysts were watching margins. And home building gross margins came in at 15.6 % versus estimates of 15.7. Q3 margin guidance was in line at 16%. Now, margins have been dropping as Lenar looks to push volume using incentives and lowering prices.
29:03The average price of a Lenar home in Q2 was down 5 % to$371 ,000. when our executive chairman Stuart Miller noted stubborn headwinds of mortgage rates, constrained affordability and cautious consumer sentiment, adding the gap between our current incentive levels of 12.9 percent and normalized levels of four to six percent is narrowing for the first time in three years as the mismatch between higher home prices with higher interest rates and household income is narrowing as wages drift higher and employment remains strong. So So the good with the bad, as you take it, Brian. Yeah, and I heard you earlier saying, you know, listen, this mid-level kind of muddling along, high end doing OK, lower end hurting.
29:45Yeah, and that's why actually analysts at KBW downgraded Lennar earlier this week, because they were more the entry-level builder and upgraded toll, which is your luxury end, because the luxury end is doing better. The entry-level and the mid-level even, not so much. Diane Ellick, thank you very much. Chartmaster, how do the charts on Lenn look? Well, it's an unhappy chart. Let's just say that. I mean, this is a stock that's underperforming its peers, underperforming the market, and is at two, three-year lows. Homeowners in general, even the ones that are related, Home Depot, Lowe's, it's not a great area of the market.
30:17Yeah, that was a pretty nice way to say don't invest. Yes, stay away. Is that what you get? Is it a pair of twos? Well, it's not. Alpha is about relative performance, and this is very poor relative performance. The other choices in the market are better. So many other choices. It's not going to move if interest rates move. Well, that's always the burden on these stocks as well. They're interest rate sensitive. But as an operating business here and now, it's nothing that I would put capital into. Yeah, look, I mean, the U.S. economic data looks great and the homebuilders just, you know, can't seem to find a bid to them.
30:49I think it's partly interest rates. I think it's partly pressure on consumer from Iran and higher oil prices, et cetera. I would say if you're excited about the U.S. economy, it's a domestic cyclical. So I can see people wanting to have some exposure there. But big picture, to Carter's point, this is a part of the market that just can't seem to move. But there's such a shortage of housing. That's all we hear about. There's no homes for sale. There's no supply. You'd think people would just automatically buy the new homes. That's because you live here. That's because you live here, though, right?
31:12I think in a lot of the rest of the country, it's less the case. If you look at regional kind of real estate prices. I know. East Coast bias. I admit it. Stu Kaiser, right as usual. All right. Coming up, how Stu Kaiser is navigating the recent market volatility. We're going to ask him where he's putting his money to work. My guess is it's not Lenar, but we're going to find out. Fast Money back in two. Missed a moment of fast? Catch us anytime on the go. Follow the Fast Money podcast. We're back right after this.
31:55All right. Welcome back. Stock surging. President Trump today canceling his threatened strikes Mexican-Saran set potentially for this evening and saying that the framework of a peace deal is near. The market was already up, but on that news, the Dow jumped even more, closed up more than 900 points. S &P up more than 1.7 percent. The Nasdaq leading the gains, rallying more than 2.5 percent. More after-hours action include Adobe lower despite topping earnings and revenue estimates. That's RH, Restoration Hardware, the furniture company, topping expectations on both the top and the bottom line. In the meantime, gold actually today got a bit of a pop after those strikes on Iran were a little bit called off.
32:40But the metal is still down nearly 20 percent since the beginning of the war. The miners hit even harder, down 33 percent since their peak on March 2nd. Carter Worth at the big monitor for the charts saying the miners are due for a bounce. You know, that's my thought as a short term trade. We're going to look at it. But what was so good? 30 to 120. That blows away. Everything has turned into a disaster. It's actually from its absolute peak to its absolute low. We are down 37 percent. And the question is, independent of whether you believe there's a huge topping out formation for a trade, I think you can catch this for a bounce.
33:21So if you look at the next chart, we have these well-defined converging trend lines, and we have broken down from the apex of that formation. My hunch is here, we had a good action today that we're going to throw back a bit and get back up into where the breakdown level occurred. The breakdown level is very clear. You can see to the penny, to the penny, to the penny, and then the break. And my hunch is you play for a trade here, back up to around 85 plus minus on GDX. All right. Carter Worth, come back on over here to the set. We'll talk about it more, but bottom of the ice and you've got a take on the miners.
33:56Yeah, I tend to like the trade. I mean, it's going to give you a little bit more beta than owning GLD or I mean, that's probably what our viewing public is, how they're investing rather than futures, the actual commodity. So I think it gives you a little bit more beta than GLD. And ultimately, you know, it's not just the war. It's the whole hawkish narrative, The higher for longer narrative, you know, the debasement trade is kind of rolled off. But the higher for longer narrative, I think it's really what's been weighing on gold. And if you have some type of resolution in the Middle East, I definitely think that is supportive of gold and the miners, probably to a greater extent.
34:31Stu? Yeah, look, on miners specifically, you know, it's weird. It used to be a defensive trade. Now it's become basically a positioning sentiment trade. So, you know, I would agree with these guys. If you get relief on the Iran side, then you probably get a sort of a positioning bid to that asset. and it continues to behave, again, not like a Bitcoin, but more like a sentiment trade than a defensive, I'm going to hide in gold for now. Carter, I just kind of gobsmacked about gold. It's like the Knicks game last night, and gold is the Spurs. Because for three quarters, unstoppable. Gold was every day, new high for gold, new high for gold, new high for gold.
35:04Sure, blowing away semis even. Suddenly, over. Right. What happened? And so, well, it's just great excess. There's mean reversion, right? I mean, something going tripling, quadrupling. But the question is not so much the why, and there might be the why that you all have cited the war. I'm really in the what business. And what I see just from my eye and others might see differently is that down 37 percent is a fairly extreme move. We're due for some sort of counter trend. So short term trade, miners on the long side. All right. Coming up, it is not just stocks. SpaceX options may take a few days to start trading after the IPO, but that wait is not stopping options.
35:43options, traders from getting in on the action now. Talk about how they're doing it, how they're playing the blockbuster debut next.
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37:53All right, look at that. A quick programming note. Do not miss the latest episode of How She Does It with our own Karen Feinerman. In it, Karen sat down with Carrie Firestone at the CNBC Pro event, Wealth for Women. The episode is now on Apple, Spotify, or wherever you may get your podcast. Check it out. All right, SpaceX making its hotly anticipated NASDAQ debut. I mean, I don't know if you heard about this. It's going to be the largest and most hyped IPO of all time. The options start trading on Tuesday, so a couple of trading days from now. But the action is already telling us that the appetite for those options is through the roof.
38:30Oliver Rennick's at the SIBO in Chicago with more. So if they're not trading, Oliver, how are people expressing this excitement? Proxy stocks, Brian, proxy stocks. We've been following two closely tied to SpaceX this past week. Echo Star, ticker SATS, the$35 billion networking business that owns 3 % of SpaceX shares following a Spectrum deal with Starlink. and AST Space Mobile, another mid-cap company whose satellites will take flight on a Falcon rocket next week. Options bulls can't seem to get enough of either, with calls outpacing puts 5-1 in Echo Star and 4-1 in AST. In both, roughly 10 times more calls were bought than puts today, and in both, implied volatility is astronomic.
39:20But that's what traders have been drawn to and what we expect for SpaceX options out of the gate on Tuesday. For example, today, one trader we saw on Echo Star put on a call spread buying$1.2 million of the 130 strike calls and selling just under 200 ,000 of the 150 strike calls expiring tomorrow. And those 130s are now less than two bucks away from the money, Brian, after today's 11 % rally. Ah, so they found stocks that are ish and they're doing that. That's right. As close as they can get. And honestly, the fireworks might be Tuesday, Brian, because as we know, options have been such a powerful force for these high momentum, high beta trades.
40:01Obviously going to be a closely watched IPO tomorrow and at 135 bucks a share. That's really kind of the nominal sweet spot for stock prices that options traders like to pay up big implied volatilities for. Fascinating. Oliver Rennick, we'd expect nothing less. Appreciate that. Bono and I mean, listen, what am I going to ask about SpaceX right now that you haven't been asked 100 times? How about this? What to you is the one thing, stock options, whatever it is, what's the one thing you're most watching about this IPO? I mean, I'm an options guy, right? So when the options are actually listed, I want to see, one, what the opening implied volatilities are.
40:38Because to me, I think that's really what's going to determine the best way to trade this or at least a tactical way to trade it. Assuming that this is triple digits or high double digits, you probably want to be a neutral vol, if not a net seller vol. If you were fortunate enough to be allocated at the IPO price, why not sell an upside call and take some of that options premium in? And you'll have a chance to reenter and size up when the appropriate time presents itself. Also, if you're not a huge, very deep-pocketed retail trader and you got maybe a little or you didn't get any at all, and the stock's well north of 100, options are really your best bet to do something until they do fractional shares, which they don't.
41:19So it's like when a stock splits. It creates value because option traders can then buy some. No value is actually created from the split. And in a very Elon Muskian move, the number of shares being offered are 555 million, 555 thousand, 555. I have no idea why, but it just seems very is Muskian. Can we use that as a verb? Right. All right. Coming up, if you missed it, I mean, we're all hoarse because of the basketball game at Madison Square Garden last night. The Knicks completed the biggest comeback in NBA Finals history. And it's not just Knicks fans jumping for joy. There's actually a stock impact of the story.
42:05I'll tell you about it coming up.
42:24We'll be right back.
42:36foot four. Then you get the rebound. Then OG Ananobi's game. Is it a shot? Is game winning shot? It was a tip. I don't think that was a shot. Yeah, it was a tip. Right? Either way, that tip, the tip heard around the world, propelled the Knicks into the history books, wiping out a 29 point deficit in the second half. They beat the Spurs 107 to 106, arguably the greatest NBA playoff comeback ever. The Knicks haven't done it yet, but it's three games to one. And get this, shares of Madison Square Garden Sports kind of feeling the Knicks effect up 19 percent since the team's first playoff game in April.
43:15And the gaming stocks also moving on the playoffs. DraftKings soaring more than 22 percent over the past month. Flutter, which is FanDuel, up 18 percent. The question is, does the winning streak continue or is this just like this short term? Let's trade it because the Knicks. Well, if they spin, right, they've been talking about spinning the Knicks, right, and the Rangers. I think if they actually just spin the Knicks and have pure play Knicks, I think it would trade extraordinarily well. And if they sold it, you know, we had talked before about$10 billion. I think it's north of$10 billion. There's just too many rich people who would want to own a part of the Knicks.
43:54And maybe that's why the stock moved, maybe not on the fan excitement as much as the valuation of the team going up. because unless they screw it up, which they could, Carter. It ain't over until it's over. They haven't won a title since 1973. No, but what are the odds when you're up 3-1 coming losing? Not fair. 37 out of 38. 30, there you go. So if you're up three games to one, so the Knicks don't want to be that 38. And the previous one was LeBron coming back against Golden State a few years ago when he was in Cleveland. But everybody wants trades that are not correlated to AI. Being long the Knicks is probably not correlated to AI, right?
44:34And it was like last night I tweeted out because I was watching. I got home from D.C. at halftime. I turn it on. They're down by 27. And I was like, I'm going to turn it off. But I just kept it on. Thank God I did. But it's like you watch the game and it was like a 90s sitcom with a basketball game. You got Seinfeld, Larry David, Chris Rock, Tracy Morgan. Who am I missing? Ben Stiller. McEnroe in his own way was kind of a sitcom. Yeah, Spike. Antics. But then you also had Timothee Chalamet. You had Taylor Swift. Mike Bloomberg sitting next to, there's Taylor Swift. Mike Bloomberg sitting next to Timothee Chalamet was probably my, there's Timothee Chalamet, my favorite meme.
45:15Because it was like Mike Bloomberg and Chalamet. There's Fallon. I don't know how these guys got in. Up next, your final traits.
45:38final trade time bottom of the ice and kick it off i think there's some follow-through in the middle east will be a boon for airlines and going with delta delta stu kaiser i'm gonna keep it keep it pretty basic stay with the earnings momentum stay with triple keys all right karen fineman yes Yes, I sold some of my meta put protection this morning. Got a little lucky on timing. So that would be long meta. Thank you, Brian, for being here. Long day from you. Very welcome. Long meta. Carter Worth. Gold miners. You can get that done with the ETF GDX. Buy them. So your final trade is the chart that you showed.
46:12Yeah. The bounce. I mean, you know, that's sort of a smart way to do it, right? Why am I yelling? That's good enough for the chart. Yeah, it's good enough for the final trade. I don't know why I'm yelling. It's been a long day. It's hot outside. I'm all worked up. Markets are hot. Thanks for watching. Mac starts right now.
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